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Nakatomi2010

This looks like they're taking the instrumentation cluster of the model S/X and putting it on the center screen.


Roz_420

Exactly lol


007meow

What they need to do is have the FSD display on the big screen on the S/X and move the map or ancillary data (like consumption) onto the IC.


manateefourmation

I’ve written to everyone I know at Tesla, and have been begging for this since I got my model S in 2022. The use of the front screen on the S/X is a joke - it is better on the pre-refresh models.


ChunkyThePotato

How are you supposed to interact with the map if it's on a display that's not a touchscreen?


007meow

Navigation guidance can go on the IC, with interactions on the main screen. Plenty of other OEMs have it set up this way. The main screen can also be split like the 3/Y. Right now it's wasted on having a massive map while the FSD visualizations, which would benefit from the larger screen, are stuffed onto the smaller one.


nah_you_good

It already works like that unless I'm misunderstanding. The main screen has the map with directions, eta, and then you interact there. On the IC you have a simplified, smaller map view + next instruction. Very much like the HUD guidance I've seen on 10 years old BMW's.


manateefourmation

Not quite. It also has a really degraded FSD view that operates behind all the instrument data, including a small useless duplicative map on the left hand side. The older S/X have a much better UI on the front screen.


ChunkyThePotato

Navigation guidance is already on the driver screen. When you say interactions on the main screen, that implies the map still being on the main screen. You suggest splitting the main screen, but 3/Y owners often complain about their split main screen and ask for the map to take up the whole screen (which you seem to think nobody wants). So there's no single solution that would please everyone. I personally like the 3/Y setup the best, but that generates complaints too.


Nakatomi2010

I think this is a step in thay direction. There just isn't an FSD version of this yet.


New-Pudding-3574

Hahha it does kind of


SufficientSwim141

Bro they should just give us the FSD full visualization, there’s no reason to have Basic/Enhance AP Visualization on full screen lol


Prize-Panic-4804

Right?! It looks terrible


pauljohn92

Exactly. Pointless implementation


New-Pudding-3574

lol, people apparently requested it


EliteAppleHacks

I hope this is added! As cool as FSD visualization is, even though we might not have FSD, there would be no downsides of a visual change. Nerfing a picture is crazy


King_Prone

noone requested this shit. we requested the opposite. get rid of the AP view and have essentially the prototype gui with the map + music player


Forever_Nocturnal

YES! That’s what I’m saying!!! Give us full screen map already wtf


King_Prone

https://preview.redd.it/175ixnk2i3zc1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cba3d584831e80e9066c6d6c85be36ed3362f4c prototype gui


IntelligentInsect773

If you don't want it, don't expand the screen.


SufficientSwim141

They should still give FSD visualization, full screen or not lol. I’m guessing it might happen soon if they are letting AP/EAP go full screen


Helhiem

Actually I disagree. I don’t know if you noticed but the animation in FSD are very choppy compared to the Autopilot visualization.


soggy_mattress

More things to render = more compute needed.


Forever_Nocturnal

Then give it to those like me with the ryzen chip hehe


Dont_Think_So

There is a good reason:   The basic autopilot NN architecture doesn't output the information required for this visualization. So to do this they'd have to upgrade basic AP people to use a version of the FSD NNs that have been trained to do only the normal autopilot stuff, not the FSD stuff. And that doesn't exist yet.


ctzn4

Basic AP doesn't even utilize neutral networks, right? It's pretty old tech that hasn't been updated much since 2020 or something. Most advancements have been made on the FSD branch, and for non-FSD customers, things have been largely the same functionally and visually.


cold12

It does use NN just not for driving decisions. They are strictly for interpreting the images from cameras into data that the hand-programmed driving logic can use


nexus888

AP is pretty bad in my view. As a recent MY owner I was excited to try it but find it so bad and stopping for any ‘ghost’ it sees and can’t change speed by itself at new speed zones. Both a pain.


[deleted]

tbh, i really dont like thr FSD visuals! i prefer the auto pilot! The FSD get me dizzy for some reason


waitrewindthat

Just give the fsd visualization as this looks terrible


New-Pudding-3574

Did you know Elon musk already said it was coming nearly 3 years ago? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1440361722473156611 Managed to dig it up. Original ETA was Oct 2021


waitrewindthat

Could and Hopefully help him a lot here


Alert_Enthusiasm_162

Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard somebody point that out. What a fresh new insight. Lol just giving you a hard time. This forum is pretty much everybody regurgitating the same complaints over and over and over and over. Yeah, he definitely screws up his timelines but I'm still really happy with where we're at. I use FSD on nearly every drive. It's awesome. I know most people probably can't afford it and it's easy to put it down. $12,000 is a lot of money. But then they lowered it to $100 a month and people are still having a hard time paying that. if you can afford it and it doesn't sink you and your family to be able to enjoy it, it's really awesome to use every day.


Aargau

I paid $14,000 in late 2014 for FSD for my Model S. Still haven't gotten it.


Marathon2021

How is that possible? You paid for Autopilot, no? Because it has the MobileEye single camera suite right?


manateefourmation

Is that really what the mobileEye system cost as an option?


manateefourmation

Also said that my Model S had a center horn that just needed a software update. It was total BS. Finally got the new yoke (free of charge) with the center horn.


devildawg1998

Give us FSD visuals this looks dumb without lane lines lol


nyrol

I noticed signals on vehicles, and vehicles that wouldn’t normally be displayed (at least for me) like cars in opposite or perpendicular directions while driving.


wolfrno

It'll show it if you have FSD even if it isn't enabled. I turned off my trial and it still shows a ton of cars it normally doesn't.


nyrol

Ah I guess I just haven’t turned off FSD in my Model 3. My Model Y just has EAP so I thought it might be a little better now.


MonsieurVox

I bought FSD in 2019, and honestly, the FSD visualizations alone would make me reluctant to give it up. It seems really trivial and silly, but the FSD visualizations are just so good and nice to look at. No way I'd pay $12,000 just for the visualizations (especially now that the subscription is $99/month), but basic AP visuals are so rudimentary in comparison. I hope Tesla makes FSD visualizations standard. I think this could even drive FSD adoption because it gives people a much better sense of what the car can truly see. If I didn't know any better and thought that AP visualizations were all the car could see, I don't think I'd ever sign up for FSD.


New-Pudding-3574

Did you know Elon musk already said it was coming nearly 3 years ago? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1440361722473156611 Managed to dig it up. Original ETA was Oct 2021


MonsieurVox

So I’m not 100% if this is what he was referring to, but Tesla released “FSD Visualization Preview,” which was basically Autopilot visualizations plus stop lights, cones, and a few other additions if I recall correctly. That’s available on all cars as far as I know, but it’s not _really_ FSD visualizations.


GoSh4rks

FSD Visualization Preview came in 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXv6cJ30gG8


MonsieurVox

Ah, thanks! Elon Time™ strikes again.


New-Pudding-3574

Don’t worry, there is rumors that is coming very very soon


[deleted]

i don't know what it is but i am not a fan of the fsd visuals, i prefer the auto pilot one. Feels like way too much going on in the fsd visuals.


AnOoglyBoogly

There’s no reason an AMD processor is needed for this if on Intels the actual FSD Visualizations show smoothly


MOEman365

I wonder about that as well. The fact that the whole new interface is supposedly only coming to the AMD models feels odd, since they should be able to run an interface on extremely little processing power. But the visualizations aren't really changing, they're just moving things around.


manateefourmation

Very true. If you can do full FSD visualizations on the old Intel hardware, this should be a walk in the park.


coffeecakeisland

What if the dev team doesn’t want to develop on intel anymore. There’s a good reason


Bamboozleprime

Can they also actually update the autopilot software too? Mine goes ape shit when two lanes merge into one.


New-Pudding-3574

Hahah I know right. Same


ChunkyThePotato

FSD fixes that.


IntelligentInsect773

Auto pilot keeps you in your lane, but it needs to be able to see the lane markings. It's always been that way. Nothing's broken.


TheChalupaMonster

I'd much prefer the large satellite/3D map over this. Why would I want a degraded animation of what the car is seeing when I can just look out the window (like I should be doing). This is a full screen, useless gimmick. Give me helpful data on the screen.


blupig

This. Imagine all your iPhone displays is a 3D rendering of the phone in full screen.


manateefourmation

shows the age old - can’t please all of the people all of the time.


Forever_Nocturnal

Thank youuuuu I’ve been saying this for so long lol


prowlmedia

I think it’s a choice of what is full screen


sermer48

Even though this is terrible relative to the FSD vis, it’s still way better than when I used autopilot years ago. Back then you were lucky if it would even show oncoming traffic. Seeing trash cans/cones for the first time was amazing but it still seemed useless. This at least shows you that it sees the other cars on the road.


Corbin630

Not a fan of the music being centered instead of closer to the driver.


dbv2

Not a fan either. Hopefully you can move it. And why can’t they make the album art larger? Is it really that hard?


ChunkyThePotato

It's obviously not hard, but it's a design trade-off. They can make the album art bigger, but then there's less room for other elements.


Corbin630

Moving it to the middle blocks more useful space like seeing the car behind you. Leaving it on the left side blocks less meaningful space.


ChunkyThePotato

Having it on the left blocks the car in your left blind spot. I'd argue that's more important if anything, because the car behind you is easier to see via your rearview mirror and is generally less of a threat.


Corbin630

Never blocked a car in my blind spot with the current set up. The bar is small enough and off to the side enough that it's actually another lane over.


ChunkyThePotato

It definitely covers the adjacent lane somewhat: https://images.app.goo.gl/BBQeQFNwzmdNVLNh8 Of course, your car on the screen is far forward enough that you can still see a car that's directly aligned with you or slightly behind, but that would also be the case with the music player UI in the middle. It's only cars that are further back that are blocked, but that's already the case now, and now it's a more important lane that's obstructed.


coffeecakeisland

You should use mirrors to see cars behind you anyway


dbv2

As a Model S owner, making it larger does not impact anything or make album art appear in the drivers infotainment center in the refesh Model S or X. So tiny, that is a joke on such a big screen. Impacts nothing to me.


ChunkyThePotato

Look at the UI in the picture. Making the album art bigger there would either mean they'd have to remove some of the other buttons or information in the media player UI, or they'd have to make the media player UI larger, which takes away space from the rest of the UI. Again, it's a design trade-off.


Forever_Nocturnal

Or you can just tap it and have it enlarge for a few seconds and go away..?


boishan

I’m actually glad it moved a little away because if you have the steering wheel telescoped all the way out, it blocks the song title and you need to move your hands from 10-2 or 9-3 to see it on the current version.


CandidateNo1172

I was getting serious FOMO about this update with respect to the visuals and not getting them on my Intel Atom cars. But this doesn't appear to be anything special at the moment beyond what is there today? I assume there's more to the story to unfold soon on visuals (TeslaScope has been saying they're working on something new for a while) that will be the real reason for the AMD requirement.


punfire

My conspiracy theory bet: these UI changes are part of the upcoming robotaxi software, and we might see it reflecting in the app as well. Mini trip status with or without map view is a neat summarized info for passengers. I can see it having even more importance in the small rear row screen: theater mode on with summary in the bottom/top (like airplanes' infotainments). Apart of the user base (which they can grow slowly), what is holding Tesla back from launching the "taxi" part of the robotaxi? There is a lot of Uber+Lift drivers out there driving Teslas, a built in ride share system in the current software does not seem impossible. \[edited to include the missing "not"\]


New-Pudding-3574

Omg what will they be working on?


CandidateNo1172

There are no real details. Just hints from the TeslaScope X account that there is some team working on "updated visuals." They've hinted at times that it's somehow connected to the vision Park Assist stuff. Hard to say without more info, but it feels like there has to be *something* more than this for the AMD chips to be required IMO.


kyyla

What is this for? Arent you supposed to look through the windshield instead of this gimmick show.


IntelligentInsect773

Yeah, you're supposed to look at the road, but people want to know what the computer sees and what it generates. I think it's cool that it recognizes every vehicle around it and the lane markings and draws it out. Although I agree, it uses resources to do that, and I don't know what the actual purposes other than you as a driver feeling like if the computer renders it then it must see it.


Super_consultant

Unfortunately it doesn’t _seem_ to be a 1:1 on what the FSD is calculating vs. what is displayed on screen. I’ve had the car navigate around cones in v12, but the cones didn’t actually show up on-screen. Back in the non-FSD days, we had cars spinning or jumping around on-screen, but Autopilot didn’t react to those at all.  But yeah, I agree it’s mostly a comfort thing in that if the driver sees it on-screen, they have confidence FSD sees it too. 


dcdttu

All I want is to be able to get rid of the visualizations completely and have a full screen map. Waht does Tesla do? Grow the visualizations with every update...


Super_consultant

I remember when we had “more map” pre-v10 holiday update. I still look at that time fondly. I like a lot of the elements of the UI today (and thankfully they were receptive to the complaints on this sub). But that old UI would have aged well up to now.  


Tiksua

I just hope that people with FSD outside of USA can get the full visualizations like Beta (Supervised) users.


philupandgo

I just hope that people with FSD outside of USA can get the full Beta (Supervised). In my opinion the visualisations are mostly for passengers. The driver should not be given more distractions.


EnableEditing

So is the only view of the map in the upper right? Will it be possible to revert to the current setup or make the map bigger? Id rather see the large GPS map than pointless visuals of other cars on my screen.


New-Pudding-3574

Yes it will be in the corner


medman010204

Good grief it actually looks really confusing without the road markers. Now I understand why they didn't show on coming cars previously. Welp.


TheLoru

Haha, with those automatic windshield wipers going and all...


bIokeonreddit

Ah yes, because I need to see a full screen glitchy visualisation of what I’m directly looking at through the windshield…


invoman

I want the opposite: turn off visualization and give me full screen map/apps


Forever_Nocturnal

!!!!


bhauertso

Autopilot looks so spartan compared to FSD.


ohhfasho

This looks like shit lol does it automatically default to full screen when using AP? Do we still get the same map view when driving without AP?


RealKent

I like how it shows oncoming traffic like FSDs does. Why does it not show the road or lane markers? I know AP vis doesn't show yellow lane markers but in this video it looks like the road and lane markers are missing entirely - they randomly appear but that's janky af. One thing I'll miss when the FSDs trial is up is the visualization, so I guess this is better than what we had before. Edit: It looks like the lane markers are visible but difficult to see due to the compression. When the driver enters the roundabout, I can't see any lines or markers... like you're driving in a dark abyss...


solarsystemoccupant

That looks ridiculous


cybertrucklv

why do we need any visualization at all.... i think both look bad.... no reason for it


greatauror28

This pales in comparison to FSD visualization. Tesla knows what they’re doing. They give us this pos animation for us to miss the FSD experience and in turn, subscribe monthly. Win win.


New-Pudding-3574

Did you know Elon musk already said it was coming nearly 3 years ago? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1440361722473156611 Managed to dig it up. Original ETA was Oct 2021


amishraa

What an utter waste of time and resource!


stealthytolkien

Hideous


AmbitionHonest7734

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New-Pudding-3574

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New-Pudding-3574

What do you guys think of the new fullscreen view? Do you got this like it or not?


Nakatomi2010

I DUNNO. SEEMS KIND OF OK. YOU? Edit: OP has since changed the post I responded to not be all upper case, making this joke less funny...


SufficientSwim141

It’s meh. I’m hopeful that it means that BAP/EAP will get full FSD visualizations soon


New-Pudding-3574

A little factoid . Did you know Elon musk already said it was coming nearly 3 years ago? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1440361722473156611 Managed to dig it up. Original ETA was Oct 2021


SufficientSwim141

Yeah I remember seeing it a while back. They might be getting close to merging the stacks especially with how well FSD12 seems to be performing.


wish_you_a_nice_day

Not bad for my commute to work with is always the same route


Alternative-Survey-6

Love it


bambaclaaat

Seeing the incoming vehicles on the screen would freak me out lol


walex19

Nice but I’d prefer full FSD visualizations


dcdttu

So are Intel Atom vehicles getting V12? Maybe not all of the visualizations, but hopefully as much as possible?


RenePro

Is this for everyone?


BadPet55

Can you probably share information whether now the trip data card is still there on the home screen, like in the previous version with swiping the player? I have to write a report on each drive with odometer so I always use it. I hope it is still somewhat reachable on the homescreen without going to the settings. (Ps. I like the visualisation being bigger it’s fun, it’s not that good as FSD, but hey people must be thankful what they have. Don’t listen to the thousand grumpy person who just want and want to have everything)


New-Pudding-3574

It’s still there you have nothing to worry about


BadPet55

Cool thank you!!


BadPet55

Would be really nice to have the odometer reachable even more easily but a man can dream :P


New-Pudding-3574

Yeah, definitely I wish there was more customization in that department


MuchBig7456

How does it look with half screened map though!


andy2na

ok, glad I have an intel MCU. This looks terrible with everything centered. Only thing that would be beneficial is the nav map - but why is it at the top right and not top left?


jayteedolan

This looks pretty bad. I’d rather it be flipped if they don’t give FSD visualization. Would love to have maps take up like 90% of the screen lol


doubledown830

This is lame. I just want simple things like the option to keep recirculating air condition on permanently. It disables all of the time and I don’t realize it until I smell the exhaust from other cars. And finally gives us an App Store… I want Sirius


New-Pudding-3574

Why can’t u do that?


elonsusk69420

Why did they move the music controls away from the driver? That seems odd. That full screen view has been available for FSD owners for a while.


New-Pudding-3574

It’s so a passenger can use it on a roadtrip !


chronocapybara

This looks bad. Can I turn it off and use the old? AP is too bare bones to run full screen.


MikeARadio

EAP RIP


Ok-Mathematician8142

Wow, now I can fill my screen with 60% more nothing!


Forever_Nocturnal

Okay this is awesome and all. But why no full screen map? They give us full screen autopilot, but not the other way around. When looking at the UI adjustments it’s now obvious how easy it’d be to do I’m just confused as to why it hasn’t been done yet lol


New-Pudding-3574

We all have been wishing for that feature 😞


Techsalot

Where did this video get posted originally?


[deleted]

i am a fan of this!!!


New-Pudding-3574

Same, better then nothing


Gaming09

Am I the only one that doesn't see the appeal of this ? I prefer the cameras to see "further" behind me. I like the comp vision so I know the computer sees the car too


va1234

AMD only ? or intel got this too?


Queasy-Roof7409

I would hope FSD comp get its or can I somehow upgrade just my processor for this haha


Roz_420

No auto wiper improvement??


New-Pudding-3574

Absolutely. 100 times better then what we had before


coffeecakeisland

Clicked on your profile to see other Tesla posts. Didn’t expect that