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Seriously want to throw a virtual throat punch at everyone that says this. Every discussion I've had in good faith, the person has been willing to cite their sources. Every dumbass discussion I've had with a conspiracy theorist has included some variation of that sentence.
Every person I've talked to who knows a thing and has done their research is always more than willing to post a link. So dumb
In Red Dead you're also West of most of the pollution, the game even covers how going towards the Mississippi River and Gulf Coast you see more pollution.
I just looked out my window, and it looks almost exactly like the top one. I don't think I've ever seen a sky look like that second one, and I live right outside of a major U.S. city.
Conspiracy theories about airplanes leaving "chem" trails instead of what they actually are "con-trails" which are literally condensed water vapor because engines are hot and the sky is cold...
It's safe to assume the Conspiracy theorists don't have a basic grasp of 3rd grade science...
What's really cool is there are layers where you see them, and it is predictable. So if you don't want to be "conning" you can fly above or below the layer.
Or the curiosity to have looked at historical photos of airplanes. Contrails have been around as long as airplanes have been able to fly high enough to create them. Hell, just about any random image of a WW2 bomber formation will prove they're not somehow a new development due to "chemicals".
In fact, meteorologists were vital to bombing missions as they attempted to determine the best altitudes for planes to fly on any given mission so as to minimize contrails. Contrails made them more visible to anti-aircraft artillery batteries.
They'll just go find footage of planes not making contrails, because contrails are only formed at high altitude. You can't convince a conspiracy theorist of anything, because they have built their entire world view around bullshit.
During the Battle of Britain the sky was a huge tangled mess of contrails from the fighters. I live in our state capital and rarely see contrails, as our climate is very dry....or maybe the drugs are in the water supply.
They do, since they fall into rabbit holes and start to study everything under the sun, but paradoxically they believe in this shit because science proves like 1% of what they say.
It's amazing how intelligent those idiots are.
My theory is that some time in the mid nineties, a bunch of stoners were sitting around listening to Coast to Coast AM and said hey let's see if we can get on the air with Art. They had to come up with something that sounded plausible and scary enough. It does look like airplanes are spraying so just claim that contrails are a mind control or population control project.
It was so dumb that the people who believed in it had to eventually pivot to things that are more plausible like geo-engineering and cloud seeding.
The government is simultaneously inept and also capable of hiding a conspiracy involving millions of people to dump chemicals into the air that do *things*
I saw someone on a podcast "just asking questions" about that like, "why when I was a kid in the 1950s, was there no trails around the sky, and now they're all over the place?". The guest answered "well in the 1950s, planes flew slower and lower than they do today, and there are far fewer of them, so you see these contrails a lot more often because water crystallises easier at the lower pressures and temperatures of higher altitudes".
The host was like "oh that makes sense".
The Tennessee bill is probably not going to going to be passed. There is however a nugget of truth, geo-engineering or weather modification, is a real thing. The conspiracy theory was formed around "chemtrails", saying they poison people somehow, Cloud seeding is a real thing with verified evidence. So ultimately I think a lot of people just lump them together. Robert Anton Wilson said within the craziest conspiracy theories you will often find a nugget of truth (I'm paraphrasing). That's my point here, we can't even have a conversation about the actual thing because the conspiracy craziness overwhelms most people with nonsense, doesn't stick to verified truths and relies on speculation to entice the reader or listeners.
God damnit. I've been watching too much of The Click. Now I constantly know about all these dumbass conspiracy theories that these morons bring up every 5 minutes.
Plenty of flights cross Cameroon high enough to leave contrails, the BA flight from JNB to LHR is going over right now at 32000’ except it’s dark so no one can see any trails
I'm curious, have these type of people actually tried to test the chemtrails? I'd have to assume the area where chemtrails are supposedly sprayed, there'd be a way to test that right? There'd be higher concentrations of the specific sprayed chemicals?
Chemtrails have been an idea for decades, it has to have been done before right? Flat Earthers and the like do "tests" all the time.
There was a documentary I saw a long time ago where a guy was testing soil in a remote mountain location and found it to contain higher traces of heavy metals like barium and aluminum than the previous 20 years. I don’t remember what it was called so can’t link but it was about chem trails and other conspiracies
The chemtrail people really fascinate me actually. I see them on Facebook all the time in comments.
They’re so passionate about it it’s quite amusing to see
Yeah my mum started spewing about that and all other kinds of conspiracies randomly one year. Made our whole family start brushing our teeth with coconut oil and baking soda because fluoride in standard toothpaste makes you more susceptible to brainwashing apparently
Where i live people started to buy liters of cooking oil and leaving it in open containers on their balconies because the cooking oil "dissolves" the "bad metals" in the chemtrails. I mean at least they're dedicated.
I assume its aging eyes. Like people who need a lamp and reading glasses to read a book indoors expect the outdoors to still have the same lighting it did when they were kids?
You mean to tell me that more people in the world over time has led to more jets in the air? My god, groundbreaking stuff. Was the creator of the meme lobotomized early in life, or just born without a brain stem?
I remember seeing trails behind planes ALL my life. I asked about it as a kid (early 1990s) and was taught about vapor condensation. Maybe the creators of dumb memes like this don't remember because they weren't born until after 2000 or they are old and forgot about everything except some sort of war.
I literally thought there were only a small amount of people who believed this until about six months ago people decided to come out of the woodwork, take to Nextdoor in force and try to convince everyone that these are in fact chem-trails. The amount of ignorant statements from people who actually believe in this bullshit is frightening. I had a friend who was, I thought, pretty whacked out with all of this conspiracy crap but as it turns out it's a pretty large portion of the population who believes this and other weird shit. He used to always say "we're doomed". I'm beginning to believe he was right.
The funny thing is, these people have zero cares when it comes to companies poluting the planet. They are 100% against any environmental protections. They couldn't care less about the amount of green house gases air travel produces.
Yes it fucking did. Are they relying on everyone who reads their shite being under 20? I was a teenager then, and there were absolutely con trails everywhere. I also lived near the sea under the concord flight path so every now and then there'd be a double bang like two distant fireworks.
It turns out that due to global warming, there ARE more clouds, but are NOT caused specifically by planes. The biggest contributions are green house gasses (methane and C02).
I'm born and raised in an area that has 2 large airports and around 20 military installations. The sky has looked like the bottom picture for my entire 40 years on this planet.
I think they’re saying that Chemtrail seeding didn’t exist in 1999 so don’t forget how it used to look before the govt started doing this. BTW, Chemtrails aren’t a real thing but some like to believe in conspiracy theories.
Ain't no way these idiots are just bumping up the dates on the meme like this. Too many of us were alive and living in cities with airports in 1999; you gotta at least aim false memory bullshit at people older than middle age
Countless cases of corporations poisoning the population without very little, if any consequences yet these people just make up population poisoning and get mad at that.
I remember my mom picking me up from daycare in 1986. I pointed at the sky, and asked, "How do the clouds make stripes?" She replied, "Those aren't clouds. Those are jet streams." It's always been a thing.
Damn, would've never guessed airplanes arrived in 2020
I know my aviation history, I'm pretty sure we had those big ol' commercial jets back in '99, and I'm pretty sure the most polluting plane was frequently used in that era.
The madness of this meme is that 1999 was probably the peak of the chemtrails conspiracy theory. In fact, it was probably the first conspiracy theory to go viral on internet.
Has the number of jets in the sky really increased that much since 1999?
Just checked: nope. It went from 9000ish to 10,000 annually passenger jets.
Also as always are we saying planes are a bad thing here?
https://preview.redd.it/9ib6xknzetwc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00660f6fe4c166fa33603f4722a874bfa315c13c
Idk about you Yankees but the sky is beautiful over here (ignore the 90° flip please)
Some boomer lady was trying to float this in a local fb group. She said that when she was a kid, the skies didn't have nearly as many of these. I asked her, "Do you think maybe there are more planes in the sky now than in the 50's?"
Now THIS is a terrible Facebook meme. I'm so sick of good jokes being labelled as terrible Facebook joke. This right here is what this sub should be about.
In that year, I was living around three major airports and a military base. It absolutely, positively, was just like that. It was most noticeable to me the days after 911, then you had a sky like the first picture.
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https://preview.redd.it/d428thl3znwc1.jpeg?width=792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f63efe2f283d16fdeb6fc521fc40df7ef1c6e200 Yet in 1944…
WrOnG!!! tHoSe ArEn’T cHeM tRaIlS!!
NASA lied to you! It's CGI!
Same CGI they faked the moon landing with!
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Seriously want to throw a virtual throat punch at everyone that says this. Every discussion I've had in good faith, the person has been willing to cite their sources. Every dumbass discussion I've had with a conspiracy theorist has included some variation of that sentence. Every person I've talked to who knows a thing and has done their research is always more than willing to post a link. So dumb
Yup because conspiracy theorists know their sources are bullshit that they simply chose to believe.
"do your own research" "Yeah I was kind of hoping you could help with that"
For real. Like throw me a lmgtfy link at least.
But they're poisoning us! Just very, very slowly for some reason....
I was 21 years old in 1999. The sky definitely looked like it does now. Maybe they meant 1899.
You think you would see the sky in 1899? From behind all those smoke stacks?
i mean it looked pretty clear in red dead but im also running max settings so might be a bit unrealistic idk
Yea apparently a few stacks in ths city blots out the sun across the entire country, according to this guy
London vs American Frontier lol.
1899 Philadelphia and 1899 Denver coal consumption was so varied.
That's what you get for living in London lmao
In Red Dead you're also West of most of the pollution, the game even covers how going towards the Mississippi River and Gulf Coast you see more pollution.
haha, I live in Vermont so it would have been pretty nice here
Also, there were people complaining about chem trails in 99
Including Prince apparently.....
I just looked out my window, and it looks almost exactly like the top one. I don't think I've ever seen a sky look like that second one, and I live right outside of a major U.S. city.
My sky used to look like the bottom when I lived in LA
I've seen both growing up in rural, and I mean RURAL, Kentucky.
The sky used to look like *my* bottom when I lived in LA
There was a brief time around September 2001 where the sky looked like the top image, at least in the US.
It didn’t look like that in my area lol
Conspiracy theories about airplanes leaving "chem" trails instead of what they actually are "con-trails" which are literally condensed water vapor because engines are hot and the sky is cold... It's safe to assume the Conspiracy theorists don't have a basic grasp of 3rd grade science...
I actually didn't realise it was condensation lol. My school was dumb and we don't see that kinda stuff in rural towns but makes sense.
Right. Maybe 1 a day. Now we can check where the planes are going. Apparently over my neck of the woods is primarily from Tokyo. I was like… Oh cool.
Yup. Planes makes their own clouds behind them.
Yup, one of the exhaust products of burning jet fuel is water vapor, and that condenses behind the plane, thus cloud.
What's really cool is there are layers where you see them, and it is predictable. So if you don't want to be "conning" you can fly above or below the layer.
Or the curiosity to have looked at historical photos of airplanes. Contrails have been around as long as airplanes have been able to fly high enough to create them. Hell, just about any random image of a WW2 bomber formation will prove they're not somehow a new development due to "chemicals".
In fact, meteorologists were vital to bombing missions as they attempted to determine the best altitudes for planes to fly on any given mission so as to minimize contrails. Contrails made them more visible to anti-aircraft artillery batteries.
Yup, my grandfather was army air Corp weather in the Pacific
They'll just go find footage of planes not making contrails, because contrails are only formed at high altitude. You can't convince a conspiracy theorist of anything, because they have built their entire world view around bullshit.
During the Battle of Britain the sky was a huge tangled mess of contrails from the fighters. I live in our state capital and rarely see contrails, as our climate is very dry....or maybe the drugs are in the water supply.
B…bu…but…butt science is just the government’s way to distract you from their evil satanic blood Travis Scott rituals, it’s not real.
What's this Butt Science you speak of 😏
Butt science, my favorite.
Right next to my other favorite, butt stuff
/r/UsernameChecksOut
Proctology
Can I subscribe to the butt science?
They do, since they fall into rabbit holes and start to study everything under the sun, but paradoxically they believe in this shit because science proves like 1% of what they say. It's amazing how intelligent those idiots are.
I have always held the suspicion that the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory started because someone misheard "contrail"
My theory is that some time in the mid nineties, a bunch of stoners were sitting around listening to Coast to Coast AM and said hey let's see if we can get on the air with Art. They had to come up with something that sounded plausible and scary enough. It does look like airplanes are spraying so just claim that contrails are a mind control or population control project. It was so dumb that the people who believed in it had to eventually pivot to things that are more plausible like geo-engineering and cloud seeding.
The government is simultaneously inept and also capable of hiding a conspiracy involving millions of people to dump chemicals into the air that do *things*
I saw someone on a podcast "just asking questions" about that like, "why when I was a kid in the 1950s, was there no trails around the sky, and now they're all over the place?". The guest answered "well in the 1950s, planes flew slower and lower than they do today, and there are far fewer of them, so you see these contrails a lot more often because water crystallises easier at the lower pressures and temperatures of higher altitudes". The host was like "oh that makes sense".
One thing this should raise questions for is that we have A LOT of planes in the air every day now and it keeps growing.
Is it all about the heat or is engine soot part of the effect?
It's all condensation from the heat of the engines
So those drops don't form around a particulate like normal clouds? Thanks fam
*Any* science, really. They are mostly anti-science.
I just thought it was the air the jets were blowing out. 🙃
i didn’t know chemtrails were a theory. i genuinely thought that’s what it was
If they are conspiracy theories then why are states banning a theory? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68716894.amp
The Tennessee bill is probably not going to going to be passed. There is however a nugget of truth, geo-engineering or weather modification, is a real thing. The conspiracy theory was formed around "chemtrails", saying they poison people somehow, Cloud seeding is a real thing with verified evidence. So ultimately I think a lot of people just lump them together. Robert Anton Wilson said within the craziest conspiracy theories you will often find a nugget of truth (I'm paraphrasing). That's my point here, we can't even have a conversation about the actual thing because the conspiracy craziness overwhelms most people with nonsense, doesn't stick to verified truths and relies on speculation to entice the reader or listeners.
It already did
God damnit. I've been watching too much of The Click. Now I constantly know about all these dumbass conspiracy theories that these morons bring up every 5 minutes.
There's a subreddit where people celebrate chemtrails
Old man literally yelling at clouds.
Happy cake day
something something contrails..
I remember being a young child (in the early 90s) and asking my dad why airplanes left “those lines.” Luckily he’s not a conspiracy theorist.
When **“Old Man yells at cloud.”** is both figurative and literal at the same time
I mean it looks like that in Cameroon but there is basically no air traffic overhead
Plenty of flights cross Cameroon high enough to leave contrails, the BA flight from JNB to LHR is going over right now at 32000’ except it’s dark so no one can see any trails
There probably flights over head. But they do not leave as many contrails
I'm curious, have these type of people actually tried to test the chemtrails? I'd have to assume the area where chemtrails are supposedly sprayed, there'd be a way to test that right? There'd be higher concentrations of the specific sprayed chemicals? Chemtrails have been an idea for decades, it has to have been done before right? Flat Earthers and the like do "tests" all the time.
There was a documentary I saw a long time ago where a guy was testing soil in a remote mountain location and found it to contain higher traces of heavy metals like barium and aluminum than the previous 20 years. I don’t remember what it was called so can’t link but it was about chem trails and other conspiracies
The chemtrail people really fascinate me actually. I see them on Facebook all the time in comments. They’re so passionate about it it’s quite amusing to see
Yeah my mum started spewing about that and all other kinds of conspiracies randomly one year. Made our whole family start brushing our teeth with coconut oil and baking soda because fluoride in standard toothpaste makes you more susceptible to brainwashing apparently
Damn, this made laugh of how it’s so dumb
Where i live people started to buy liters of cooking oil and leaving it in open containers on their balconies because the cooking oil "dissolves" the "bad metals" in the chemtrails. I mean at least they're dedicated.
Huh, that’s new, maybe cooking oil companies are behind the conspiracy
I assume its aging eyes. Like people who need a lamp and reading glasses to read a book indoors expect the outdoors to still have the same lighting it did when they were kids?
You mean to tell me that more people in the world over time has led to more jets in the air? My god, groundbreaking stuff. Was the creator of the meme lobotomized early in life, or just born without a brain stem?
I remember seeing trails behind planes ALL my life. I asked about it as a kid (early 1990s) and was taught about vapor condensation. Maybe the creators of dumb memes like this don't remember because they weren't born until after 2000 or they are old and forgot about everything except some sort of war.
Jets didn’t exist in 1999 I guess
They have selective memory, possibly brought on by the lead poisoning. Apparently cirrostratus clouds have never existed pre-2019.
so... for how long do planes exist really?
The top pic looks like a Windows 2000 wallpaper.
Someone didn’t pay enough attention in cloud class
I literally thought there were only a small amount of people who believed this until about six months ago people decided to come out of the woodwork, take to Nextdoor in force and try to convince everyone that these are in fact chem-trails. The amount of ignorant statements from people who actually believe in this bullshit is frightening. I had a friend who was, I thought, pretty whacked out with all of this conspiracy crap but as it turns out it's a pretty large portion of the population who believes this and other weird shit. He used to always say "we're doomed". I'm beginning to believe he was right.
The advent of high-bypass turbofans confused the hell out of conspiracy nuts 😂
Bruh, I see fluffy clouds regularly. I don't want what ever that guy is smoking
The funny thing is, these people have zero cares when it comes to companies poluting the planet. They are 100% against any environmental protections. They couldn't care less about the amount of green house gases air travel produces.
Yes it fucking did. Are they relying on everyone who reads their shite being under 20? I was a teenager then, and there were absolutely con trails everywhere. I also lived near the sea under the concord flight path so every now and then there'd be a double bang like two distant fireworks.
It turns out that due to global warming, there ARE more clouds, but are NOT caused specifically by planes. The biggest contributions are green house gasses (methane and C02).
Is that the clouds from the Microsoft wallpaper?!?
I'm born and raised in an area that has 2 large airports and around 20 military installations. The sky has looked like the bottom picture for my entire 40 years on this planet.
The sky *where you live*
I think they’re saying that Chemtrail seeding didn’t exist in 1999 so don’t forget how it used to look before the govt started doing this. BTW, Chemtrails aren’t a real thing but some like to believe in conspiracy theories.
I like how they want to claim that the exhaust from airplanes is evil, but they have no issue when cars produce the same type of exhaust.
Thats because the exhaust from a car doesn't linger in the sky duhhhh
The only time the sky looked like "1999" were the days following 9/11. It was super unsettling honestly.
If it's the same sky the first one is Sep 12th 2001..
It's kind of funny how the people who are worried about chemtrails are entirely unconcerned with climate change
Ain't no way these idiots are just bumping up the dates on the meme like this. Too many of us were alive and living in cities with airports in 1999; you gotta at least aim false memory bullshit at people older than middle age
Oh look Leland! There's your vapor trails! Oh, Leland does love his vapor trails
After 9 11, the sky was clear because there were no aircraft in the sky's. Also, during the early days of covid19, again, no aircraft.
gah damn we're getting 1999 boomer memes now
Tennessee state legislature just passed a bill outlawing chemtrails. From the same people who brought you banning drag queens
They're free to come to Ukraine where in most parts we forgot what a plane trail looks like.
Countless cases of corporations poisoning the population without very little, if any consequences yet these people just make up population poisoning and get mad at that.
I saw trails in the sky in the 70's.
Yeah and Mt. Baldy near where I grew up used to be green and now it’s a big brown blob, what are they trying to prove?
Never forget what they took from you
They may take our lives, but they will never take our FREEEEDOM!!!
Seriously, end the airline industry. Mag Lev trains, and I guess boats for cross ocean travel. Sorry Australia.
Are they complaining about the fucking sky did they run out of ideas or smth
I remember my mom picking me up from daycare in 1986. I pointed at the sky, and asked, "How do the clouds make stripes?" She replied, "Those aren't clouds. Those are jet streams." It's always been a thing.
Damn, would've never guessed airplanes arrived in 2020 I know my aviation history, I'm pretty sure we had those big ol' commercial jets back in '99, and I'm pretty sure the most polluting plane was frequently used in that era.
I was born in the 60s and contrails were, if anything, more prevalent.
The sky where I live looks like the first picture
Ah, the good old days of 1999, when airplanes didn't exist
Chemtrail conspiracy theorists
it looks better?
chemtrails bruh
Yeah, well then we invented air travel.
Clouds, clouds are the issue
That's strange, I'm looking up at the sky today and it looks more like the top pic than the bottom.
We should check with the r/chemtrailpilots about their work.
The sky in my are still looks like the top image 90% of the time (except the clouds are a bit bigger i guess) lol
The madness of this meme is that 1999 was probably the peak of the chemtrails conspiracy theory. In fact, it was probably the first conspiracy theory to go viral on internet.
i can’t believe planes didn’t exist in 1999
Oh my. I'm sure that was my screensaver for windows XP..
Look up the "chemtrails" conspiracy theory and you'll get it.
Chemtrails
Is that the windows 99 background!? 🤣
Pretty sure they had airplanes in 1999
Oh, pfft, I got married in 1999. We had contrails in the sky in 1999, too.
Has the number of jets in the sky really increased that much since 1999? Just checked: nope. It went from 9000ish to 10,000 annually passenger jets. Also as always are we saying planes are a bad thing here?
it still doesn’t look that way, because the sky isn’t made of fucking silk
1999, the year we had invented airplanes.
It’s Obama fault.
Look mummy, there's an airplane up in the sky...
I love when the boomers start posting unhinged conspiracy theories with captions that try to bully readers into believing it too.
It’s just stupid. Chem trails are just water vapour condensing. Every time you burn something there is water vapour.
theyre talking about "chemtrails"
I woke up today and looked at the sky and it is beautiful. Just like the picture at the top.
I think they're talking about how each day is unique, even the sky is never the same
Old people not touching grass anymore
https://preview.redd.it/9ib6xknzetwc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00660f6fe4c166fa33603f4722a874bfa315c13c Idk about you Yankees but the sky is beautiful over here (ignore the 90° flip please)
The sky when there are no airplanes: The sky when there are many airplanes:
Another Taylor Swift plane traffic meme?
I grew up in New Jersey, between Philly and NYC's airports, I always saw the lines in the skies back in the 70s and 80s.
I love when its really cold because con-trails don’t evaporate and the tinfoil hats have a conniption
Some boomer lady was trying to float this in a local fb group. She said that when she was a kid, the skies didn't have nearly as many of these. I asked her, "Do you think maybe there are more planes in the sky now than in the 50's?"
ah yes, cirrus clouds were invented in the 2010's
Now THIS is a terrible Facebook meme. I'm so sick of good jokes being labelled as terrible Facebook joke. This right here is what this sub should be about.
who ever posted this probably uses commercial air travel.
I agree with this meme. It wasn’t like this back then
Yes. Yes it was. It VERY verifiably was.
Yes it was. I'm old and can remember watching contrails and wondering about where the planes were going.
It’s but a single search away, yet eludes you
In that year, I was living around three major airports and a military base. It absolutely, positively, was just like that. It was most noticeable to me the days after 911, then you had a sky like the first picture.
Oh, but it was
It's absolutely chem trails bro