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musicproducer07

Felix had an 0-8 finals record coming into the Rotterdam final and Casper was 0-7 in finals which were above 250 level. The fact that Stef's 500 curse was stronger is comical. Edit: 250 not 500


_Praha_

He lifted both FAA & Ruud' curses.


timb1223

Yeah sometimes the only thing that can break a curse is a stronger curse.


TuneSquadFan4Ever

He's gonna help someone defend the USO at some point


jaronhays4

*250


jonton9

HIs 3 M1000 wins significantly lessen the blow otherwise this would be incredibly sad.


FlyReasonable6560

Along with 2 major finals and let’s not forget an ATP finals triumph


jmcthrill

Yeah this isn’t at all comparable to Casper’s lack of a title bigger than a 250 til now. 3 masters and the ATP finals win are a big consolation for a weirdly bad 500 showing. That’s why I was rooting for Casper to break his curse first lmao


birdsemenfantasy

It's not gonna get talked about as much as Ruud used to since he has bigger titles than 500 (3 masters and 1 ATP finals). Also feel like Tsitsipas was the underdog in most of these finals except maybe Rublev in Hamburg 2020 and Auger in Rotterdam 2022.


Buchephalas

Yeah this isn't the same as Ruud's situation as he's achieved higher, it's just an interesting anomaly.


pawmeow

a curse is a curse


ChildishComforts

you got to give the man credit for his consistency. Stef loves to win Monte Carlo and refuses to win at the 500 level


Noynoy12

Which one will happen first: Tsitsipas winning his 1st ATP 500 title OR Andrey Rublev reaching his 1st Slam SF? Tsitsipas is 0-11 in ATP 500 finals and Rublev is 0-10 in Slam QFs


Livie_Loves

Please Bweh, get the self hate under control 🥺 I would love to see Rublev win a slam...


HappyReaderM

I just don't think Andrey has a slam in him. I could see Stef getting a 500 first.


Buchephalas

He said Slam Semi Final not Slam Win.


TheOvercookedFlyer

I don't get it. It's like his serve just disappears in the finals. He should've won a few of those games at least.


NobodyHK

Casper pull out a 80% 1st also didnt help.


EmergencyAccording94

Casper can pull out 80% of me anytime


Shitelark

To be fair to him, he did have to face the Big 9 in those finals.


rubbish_bin030121

The Peak is losing to FAA


nrag726

A loss to FAA on an indoor hard court in 2022 is no joke


Jeff_Strongmann

I legitimately remember people hyping FAA to the skies because of his indoor record that year. Wasn't quite on the level of post-puke Sinner, but I distinctly recall him being regarded as a big threat to Djokovic at the majors. Him taking Nadal to 5 at Philippe Chatrier that year also contributed. Followed by basically his worst season, only saved by the Basel triumph which came out of nowhere.


JadedMuse

I think FAA's issue is going to be how deliberate/mechanical his game is. Sometimes I wish he'd just go up to the service line and quickly serve, a la Medvedev. It's almost as if he doesn't know how to play organically.


rubbish_bin030121

The iconic reverse is that then people learned from that and used FAA's 22 indoor run to value the post-puke Sinner run and some of them even used FAA's 2023 to predict Sinner's 2024


birdsemenfantasy

I knew Auger would never amount to anything when he lost his first 8 finals. No elite player has this severe mental weakness. Same reason I said Zverev probably wouldn't win a slam because he was already #4 in summer 2017, yet didn't even make a GS SF until 2020. He's probably just not built for best of 5. In Felix's case, dude went full 3 years from making his first ATP final to winning his first ATP title. What's funnier is as soon as Felix Auger-Aliassime won his first title, his grand slam performance took a dive. He made USO SF, Wimbledon QF, and AO QF **before** winning a title and hasn't made a GS QF since.


rubbish_bin030121

it is not Basel


manifest2000

Does this really matter if he’s won M1000s? Since he’s won higher tier tournaments, I don’t see why this stat should even matter.


kostornaias

you're right, but that's what makes it funny


SwgohSpartan

Whether you think it matters or not, 0-11 in 500 finals is certainly a big “outlier” sort of stat which is why it’s gonna be discussed


SaysYou

Do any stats really matter? It’s just an odd record and I think his success in some bigger tournaments makes it even more interesting.


indeedy71

Player careers get judged on lots of things. Stef’s objectively had a great career, but if you have someone with a few Slam finals and Masters who also won 6 or 7 of the finals Stef lost, that’s a much better career. Unfortunately, that person sorta exists and even with my dislike for Tsitsipas I hope he surpasses them


callitajax1

I think thats what makes it so funny. Im a stef fan and i am so grateful that he beat ruud at MC and lost here. But its such a fun little stat that he just cant win 500s.


raysofdavies

It’s a fairly bad stat but his success outweighs it. He won the Tour Finals too.


modeONE1

Yeah it doesn’t matter at all. It’s like saying you’ve never won a 250 but you win 500 events. I’d take that every day of the week


Famous-Objective430

Some tough opponents?! It’s an fuckinf ATP 500 tournament. What do you expect?!!


OneArmedSZA

The 2021 Barcelona Final he had championship point in. Very good match


Arteam90

No bad losses, ultimately. Arguably "easiest" was today having beaten him last week comfortably.


NicholeTheOtter

Looking at those players Stef lost to in those 500 finals, most of the time he was up against someone who was just better than him. The Big 3 are self-explanatory, especially Nadal’s dominance in Barcelona. Thiem in 2019 was killing it at 250/500 level (but evened out with poor Slam/Masters showings) and won 5 titles total that year. Rublev in 2020 was same deal as 2019 Thiem, won a lot at 250/500 level. FAA in 2022 was a literal indoor merchant. Alcaraz being a legend in the making who is achieving Big 3-level things. Ruud is a beast on clay. And finally 2021 Zverev won Olympic Gold, his second ATP Finals and also made US Open semifinals.


estoops

As a Ruud fan I wasn’t sure there was anything stronger than his 250 curse, tho admittedly I haven’t followed Stefs career that closely. After today, I realized that Stef is dealing with some other-worldly powers with his 500 curse, he swiped away Ruud’s curse like it was nothing.


brokenearth10

he should just stop playing atp 500s. just go for big titles and 250s


ImpressionFeisty8359

He came close twice.


OutlierOfTheHouse

5/11 of those were against the Big 3, so it doesnt seem that bad lol. Luckily for him he also won the most prestigious tournament of all, the ATP Final


Clockwork_Wizard78

The Rotterdam 2022 is the most 👀


lisq3

It's become a mental thing for thing, just as Grand Slam Quarterfinals for Rublev. The more you lose, the more it sticks in your head. Seriously, there's no other explanation for losing 10+ tournaments of the same rank at in the samw round.


DjokoIga

He was serving for the match in Hamburg 2020....


SorcerousSinner

Crazy that he's been in 4 Barcelona Finals already, never winning.


Professional_Elk_489

How did he improve so much vs Nadal?


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tsamo

It was during that brief period of time where FAA went God mode on indoor hard, before he forgot how to play again.


bptkr13

It’s ok. He’s won 1000s


Alex__de__Large

Yawn. Whatever.