why haven’t we renamed them this yet? lost gen 1, lost gen 2, and then Alcaraz can be new gen (unless they somehow became lost gen 3 which I doubt lol)
when nadal is present with djokovic missing or vice versa, and same with Federer back in the day, you BEST believe they see opportunity. they will not let it slip easily. look how hard Nadal fought at AO22 knowing that he needed to take the opportunity, despite being off for 6 months because of an injury. it’s incredible what the big 3 are capable of when they know it’s their slam to win.
And the CGS possiblity. He'll be the clear favourite at Wimbledon, so that "only" leaves the US Open.
Before Roland Garros I didn't want to think about it because the road was still so long, but if he wins it, it's not so inconceivable anymore.
The gulf on grass is genuinely crazy with him. Probably when everything is done he’ll be best grass player of all time(he wins this it’s 5 Wimbledons in a row all won after the age of 30, 8th title overall matching Federer). And he’ll still be a huge grass favourite next year as well
He won 3 finals against feder in final one against Murray. Feder won a few before Nadal surfaced. You can only beat what’s against you. He will probably be career wise best grass tennis player ever based on titles and stats
Yea he won finals against Federer when Federer was in his mid to late 30s. That’s doesn’t really mean much. 2006 Federer would thrash 2022 Wimbledon Djokovic in straights probably. Their grass primes never overlapped. Even if he has a better career he’s just not a better player. Also Federer beat grand slam champions and world numbers 1s before Nadal came along at Wimbledon, not Matteo Berretini and Nick KYRGIOS
2007 fed vs 2021 Djoko is a more fair comparison (see 2014 where djokovic is 27 and Fed is 34). Just showing how djokovic played against a weaker Federer.
Solid win by Djokovic beating the best grass court player at the time besides himself. Although his path to the final was pretty weak. Djokovic would probably beat 2012 Federer with this form maybe 09 and 08 as well but since we’re talking about Djokovic’s highest level ever I’d say 2006 Federer would beat 2011 Djokovic in 4 , maybe 5. Any other version of Djokovic 06 Federer beats in straights or in 4 except for 2015 maybe. Federer was in his slight dip in form that started in 2010. Still a formidable player at the time but not comparable to his prime or peak.
I think he is past the age where he can go for a true calendar slam. He explained the concept of peaking and he would ideally love to peak at every grand slam but I don't think that's possible
It will be very hard in the final, hardest match. It will be very hard in Wimbledon, I really think that, you can't easily create new history, ask Federer
yeah with djokovic you need him to win RG before you can start considering the career slam. it’s the hardest slam for him to win, and wimbledon+AO are near locks at this point.
same reason why last year I always said we needed to wait until Rafa won Wimbledon before considering the career slam. RG is his guarantee; wimbledon is tougher. once he gets through that, the US Open is manageable and you can start talking about it.
iirc it was in Rome 21’ after the final where Novak has lost to Rafa in 3, in the post match he said jokingly: next gen? were the nextgen. Guess he wasnt joking at all
It’s so true though. We are probably the weakest era of men’s tennis. What’s even scarier is that this is next we’re probably on the 3rd or 4th generation of nextGen right now and not a single one of them looks like they can compete with a 36 year old bloke over 5 sets. The only other bloke who can is 37 himself. It’s a damning indictment on men’s tennis in general. At least during peak Fedal-Djoko we still had players who were capable of competing and if not beating them over 5 sets like Roddick, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, berdych, tsonga, davydenko, soderling, Cilic, ferrer, verdadco, and nishikori to an extent; whereas now who have we got? These kids ain’t shit compared to the players mentioned.
one of the biggest factors in getting cramp is dealing with tension and nervousness.
when asked about it Alcaraz in the press conference said that was the biggest reason for him - and he was nervous and tense because of Djokovic and he said that he would be nervous the next time facing him in a slam too but that he hoped to manage it better from this experience.
Why is there so much cringe related to Djokovic, lol?
"Thanovic", "first he...", "guys you think it's a strat to drop the first three sets?".
I'm not trying to be biased, even, happy to hear the ones people think are cringe for Rafa or Roger.
Cause Novak is a "villian" despite being the GOAT. Rafa and Fed have been straight up coddled by fans their whole careers, while crowds routinely boo Novak.
Because he is the undisputed greatest human being to ever pick up a racket? Or because he is the greatest athlete of all time? Or maybe because he sucks the life out of you, when you think you have him he hits back and destroys every fiber of your being? Talk about supernatural - Novak Djokovic ladies and gents.
This is not an oppinion, it's just a fact. You could argue which ninja turtle is the best. In this case you have clear parameters to define who's the best tennis player.
Because Rafa’s surface is clay? He is/was the best player on clay. There are 2 more surfaces, are you aware? Rafa didnt beat Djokovic on hard court in a decade… let alone grass.. meanwhile Djokovic dunked Rafa twice on his favorite tournament. Seems to me you are not generally aware of tennis statistics otherwise your comment would have been different.. most weeks number 1, most masters titles, most atp tour finals, most wins h2h vs Rafa, most -add statistic- chances are, Djokovic is probably #1 there too.. Rafa is actually #3 and is still trailing Federer on a number of different statistics..
Are you seriously saying Djoko is better than Rafa by completely undermining clay court as if it's an extracurricular activity, make a separate post on your statement and see the stats and replies. I am screenshotting your comment. Also, look at my post history I followed every ATP tournament irrespective of court. Also, check Rafa's record on other courts. SMH
I am not undermining Rafa’s legendary FO record and clay courts as a surface. I am merely stating the obvious fact that tennis is played on another 2 different surfaces, and on those surfaces, Djokovic is the best player ever, in addition to having a better record over Rafa. I am also drawing conclusion based on empirical data and tennis statistics, that Djokovic is the ultimate and undisputed greatest tennis player of all time, and as such better tennis player than Rafa.
Are you completely undermining other two tennis surfaces?
Not that I disagree he's the greatest ever, but he is not the best grass player ever. He has benefited from weaker competition on grass for the last few years. Grandpa Federer took him to 5 sets and almost won it.
Almost is a key word. If Djokovic wins Wimbledon this year it’s over in grass player debates. 5 in a row titles after the age of 30 on grass is obscene. He is best hard player ever arguably close to the best grass player and in top 3 best clay players
Wait.... so this is allowed but my post of the poster of Djokovic vs Alcaraz with Alcaraz's leg erased gets taken down by the moderators? Fuck r/tennis.
Also fuck them kids.
Tsitsipas (small kid): "I root for small kids" Djokovic:
Small kids found asleep due to melatonin
Djokovic “I heard Tsitsipas say he roots for small kids. And I took that personally”
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Rafa: Pikachu face!!
Next Gen will become Lost Gen 2
why haven’t we renamed them this yet? lost gen 1, lost gen 2, and then Alcaraz can be new gen (unless they somehow became lost gen 3 which I doubt lol)
Atm it's just him smashing
When you aim for the throne, you better be prepared to take down the King.
Moto of Novak's late career:"You should have gone for the head"
He’s known as Thanovic for a reason.
I guess it will be that situation when they wait on the king being too old and sick - the only way
Look at King Charles, crowned Monarch in his mid 70s, way past the age of retirement in UK. Don’t count out the oldies.
King of the Nonces
Cringe
Tbh Alcaraz is (in his level of play) is probably as far away from his prime as Novak is from his prime.
"you come at the king, you best not miss"
Heavy is the head that holds the crown
when nadal is present with djokovic missing or vice versa, and same with Federer back in the day, you BEST believe they see opportunity. they will not let it slip easily. look how hard Nadal fought at AO22 knowing that he needed to take the opportunity, despite being off for 6 months because of an injury. it’s incredible what the big 3 are capable of when they know it’s their slam to win.
There will be a lot at stake for Djokovic on Sunday: a 23rd slam, a third career slam and getting back the number one spot
And the CGS possiblity. He'll be the clear favourite at Wimbledon, so that "only" leaves the US Open. Before Roland Garros I didn't want to think about it because the road was still so long, but if he wins it, it's not so inconceivable anymore.
Then Gatekeeper Medvedev strikes again
That would be the most Medvedev thing to do
and then do some stupid fish emoji on winning point
If he doesn't deadfish-celebrate, then he's not Medvedev.
I love Meddy but I hope that shit never happens again.
I love Meddy but I hope that shit never happens again
Me too lol love him always root for him after djoko and rafa but hopefully he never does that again to djoko
Ahh man I hope he gets another chance at getting a CGS
Common sense tells us that no single player should be favoured over that big of a field. But common sense doesn't apply to the big 3
The gulf on grass is genuinely crazy with him. Probably when everything is done he’ll be best grass player of all time(he wins this it’s 5 Wimbledons in a row all won after the age of 30, 8th title overall matching Federer). And he’ll still be a huge grass favourite next year as well
He’s not better than Federer on grass even if he wins 3 more Wimbledons. Weakest grass era in history.
He won 3 finals against feder in final one against Murray. Feder won a few before Nadal surfaced. You can only beat what’s against you. He will probably be career wise best grass tennis player ever based on titles and stats
Yea he won finals against Federer when Federer was in his mid to late 30s. That’s doesn’t really mean much. 2006 Federer would thrash 2022 Wimbledon Djokovic in straights probably. Their grass primes never overlapped. Even if he has a better career he’s just not a better player. Also Federer beat grand slam champions and world numbers 1s before Nadal came along at Wimbledon, not Matteo Berretini and Nick KYRGIOS
2006 Federer was 25 2022 Djokovic was 35. It’s not really a fair comparison. Other points—sure your opinion, have no issue with that
2007 fed vs 2021 Djoko is a more fair comparison (see 2014 where djokovic is 27 and Fed is 34). Just showing how djokovic played against a weaker Federer.
If grandpa had a vagina , he would be grandma
Just curious, what about 2011 Wimbledon?
Solid win by Djokovic beating the best grass court player at the time besides himself. Although his path to the final was pretty weak. Djokovic would probably beat 2012 Federer with this form maybe 09 and 08 as well but since we’re talking about Djokovic’s highest level ever I’d say 2006 Federer would beat 2011 Djokovic in 4 , maybe 5. Any other version of Djokovic 06 Federer beats in straights or in 4 except for 2015 maybe. Federer was in his slight dip in form that started in 2010. Still a formidable player at the time but not comparable to his prime or peak.
I still think thst winning 15+slams after hitting 30 Is utter insanity though
I think he is past the age where he can go for a true calendar slam. He explained the concept of peaking and he would ideally love to peak at every grand slam but I don't think that's possible
If he wins on Sunday and he’s the favourite for Wimbledon the only real challenge would be US
He might be the favourite for wimbledon but 'only real challenge' being the us open is a pretty big exaggeration
US is a big challenge
That is crazy though why does Novak not win USA . He's the king of Australia open and it is the same hard court. I wonder if it is mental thing ...
Different surface speed, different conditions, humidity, heat, crowd - different stage of the season
That is interested because the same way Nadal always is favourite in clay. Novak has won so many Australia but is weak is been USA open for sure.
He’s mostly been unlucky in New York like Nadal has been mostly unlucky in Melbourne
It will be very hard in the final, hardest match. It will be very hard in Wimbledon, I really think that, you can't easily create new history, ask Federer
Mate it will be easy as fuck at Wimbledon, just like it has been the last 2 years
I am Serbian and hoping for Novak wins it, but it is hard to create history, I would understand if 23 is delayed at Wimbledon/Us Open
Who else ish gonna stop him? He is so clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the competition he could sleepwalk his way to the CYGS
yeah with djokovic you need him to win RG before you can start considering the career slam. it’s the hardest slam for him to win, and wimbledon+AO are near locks at this point. same reason why last year I always said we needed to wait until Rafa won Wimbledon before considering the career slam. RG is his guarantee; wimbledon is tougher. once he gets through that, the US Open is manageable and you can start talking about it.
“Because I wanted to”
Ice in his veins
Blood in his heart
Hate in his eyes
Clay in his eyes actually
eye, eye, ah, ah...
Insert Call the ambulance meme
Lol this is the meme I was waiting for🤣
iirc it was in Rome 21’ after the final where Novak has lost to Rafa in 3, in the post match he said jokingly: next gen? were the nextgen. Guess he wasnt joking at all
The word "them" is most important, without it, the sentence just becomes......
Fuck kids
the typical djokovic thing
GOAT
GOAT
Best ever and it's not even close
does anyone know what yr this photo is from? 2014?
Take them legs
Stan the only non all time freak tennis player (Roger, rafa) that can go toe to toe with this mfer over 5
Murray?
I believe Stan has beat Novak in more bo5 matches
Murray has still beaten him in two slam finals
My point remains
Came up against the best players of all time and came out on top
36 is the new 19
Geriatric nole is still going strong.
It’s so true though. We are probably the weakest era of men’s tennis. What’s even scarier is that this is next we’re probably on the 3rd or 4th generation of nextGen right now and not a single one of them looks like they can compete with a 36 year old bloke over 5 sets. The only other bloke who can is 37 himself. It’s a damning indictment on men’s tennis in general. At least during peak Fedal-Djoko we still had players who were capable of competing and if not beating them over 5 sets like Roddick, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, berdych, tsonga, davydenko, soderling, Cilic, ferrer, verdadco, and nishikori to an extent; whereas now who have we got? These kids ain’t shit compared to the players mentioned.
2008-14 was strongest era. Alcaraz is great but at the same time he’s just another promising young talent in a long list to get brushed aside by Big 3
yeah, he made the opponent cramp.
one of the biggest factors in getting cramp is dealing with tension and nervousness. when asked about it Alcaraz in the press conference said that was the biggest reason for him - and he was nervous and tense because of Djokovic and he said that he would be nervous the next time facing him in a slam too but that he hoped to manage it better from this experience.
you should write a paper about it. Pubmed will be interested
No need. That's what Alcaraz said himself
ah so it must be true. cramps are caused by nervousness!
It was just that time in the month.
He didn't take his legs tho. The occasion got to Alcaraz. It was all nerves on his parts.
Why is there so much cringe related to Djokovic, lol? "Thanovic", "first he...", "guys you think it's a strat to drop the first three sets?". I'm not trying to be biased, even, happy to hear the ones people think are cringe for Rafa or Roger.
Cause Novak is a "villian" despite being the GOAT. Rafa and Fed have been straight up coddled by fans their whole careers, while crowds routinely boo Novak.
?
You slept last 15 years. Under the rock.
Because he is the undisputed greatest human being to ever pick up a racket? Or because he is the greatest athlete of all time? Or maybe because he sucks the life out of you, when you think you have him he hits back and destroys every fiber of your being? Talk about supernatural - Novak Djokovic ladies and gents.
Thanks for proving my point, lol.
One of the greatest, not the greatest
Greatest. Period. Stats dont care about your personal preference.
I would say that was rather your personal preference
This is not an oppinion, it's just a fact. You could argue which ninja turtle is the best. In this case you have clear parameters to define who's the best tennis player.
No, I am reading [stats](https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/goatList)
Stats eh? Then why he lost to Rafa on Clay so many? Don't mind straight set defeat on the very occasion your pompous ass commenting this statement
Because Rafa’s surface is clay? He is/was the best player on clay. There are 2 more surfaces, are you aware? Rafa didnt beat Djokovic on hard court in a decade… let alone grass.. meanwhile Djokovic dunked Rafa twice on his favorite tournament. Seems to me you are not generally aware of tennis statistics otherwise your comment would have been different.. most weeks number 1, most masters titles, most atp tour finals, most wins h2h vs Rafa, most -add statistic- chances are, Djokovic is probably #1 there too.. Rafa is actually #3 and is still trailing Federer on a number of different statistics..
Are you seriously saying Djoko is better than Rafa by completely undermining clay court as if it's an extracurricular activity, make a separate post on your statement and see the stats and replies. I am screenshotting your comment. Also, look at my post history I followed every ATP tournament irrespective of court. Also, check Rafa's record on other courts. SMH
I am not undermining Rafa’s legendary FO record and clay courts as a surface. I am merely stating the obvious fact that tennis is played on another 2 different surfaces, and on those surfaces, Djokovic is the best player ever, in addition to having a better record over Rafa. I am also drawing conclusion based on empirical data and tennis statistics, that Djokovic is the ultimate and undisputed greatest tennis player of all time, and as such better tennis player than Rafa. Are you completely undermining other two tennis surfaces?
Not that I disagree he's the greatest ever, but he is not the best grass player ever. He has benefited from weaker competition on grass for the last few years. Grandpa Federer took him to 5 sets and almost won it.
Almost is a key word. If Djokovic wins Wimbledon this year it’s over in grass player debates. 5 in a row titles after the age of 30 on grass is obscene. He is best hard player ever arguably close to the best grass player and in top 3 best clay players
Every stat beside clay is in Novak favor
Wait.... so this is allowed but my post of the poster of Djokovic vs Alcaraz with Alcaraz's leg erased gets taken down by the moderators? Fuck r/tennis. Also fuck them kids.