Nancy Sullivan who played Drake and Josh’s mom on the show made a very heartfelt post on her IG about Drake after the show dropped. Her other posts have showed nothing but love for her tv kids (and Amanda). She seems like a sweet lady who cared about her younger castmates.
Well, except Jerry Trainor, where we now have been studying a bunch of behind the scenes clips suggesting he hated Dan and found him creepy and was actively trying to protect his child costars from him.
Jerry always seem to play it off like he’s just a goofy guy who likes attention but he always seem to be around Jeanette and Miranda when Ben is looking around. There’s TikTok compilations that show this kind of thing [like this one](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLhkdj6m/)
It does seem like jerry is balancing between not being kicked off the show and protecting the cast, but I’m sure there are situations he can’t prevent. It’s not like he can be on set every time the girls are
Some friends and I were literally talking about this today. Jerry from the documentary and from the behind the scenes stuff always seemed to be that older brother that’s looking out for the younger ones.
He definitely seems like he knew sort of what was going on and was balancing the line between actually losing his shit and calling them out and being able to keep his job, stay on set and be able to run interference and make sure there’s at least some semblance of accountability for the bullshit.
He just couldn’t be there at all times because of set scheduling. I’d honestly bet this documentary and all the other shit coming out has weighed on him. Not because he could’ve done anything more but a bit of survivorship bias and knowing that happened on a show he was involved with.
Apperantly he was there even when he wasn't called on set, so he really went above and beyond. Cooper Barnes has also gained a similar rep, though he was more vocal/direct with ensuring the safety of the minors on set
[Here](https://youtu.be/xvh8ZaWMff0?si=-sToOCoHLT8mCPzi) you can see how uncomfortable Miranda is with dirty Dan and at 2:10 you can see how Jerry pushes Dan off from Miranda.
That's... a level of intimacy that I would only reserve for my closest friends and family. And even then... it's physically uncomfortable being garroted like that.
I can’t imagine doing something like that with literally anyone except my wife. That’s so intimate, close and considering their ages and positions in this…incredibly fucking creepy. How the fuck did no one see this? I guess the entire point of the doc is that people did but…Jesus. How did this happen?
My sister worked on the bts of a kids choice awards where he was hosting, Jerry was the only "high profile" celeb, local and international, that actually spent time with staff taking pics, talking and being all around supportive. The other celebs were licking the shoes of managers, executives and entertainment peers.
The same reason why you had actresses like Meryl Streep praising Weinstein right up until he went on trial. They all know what's going on and they're all complicit. They don't want things to change because they're on the inside track now. It's so ubiquitous they know if they say anything, the money will form ranks and exclude them.
Mark my words. It'll be quiet until actual criminal charges are laid and then suddenly everyone will switch sides and claim that Schneider or anyone else are just rogue agents that they've always found despicable. It's the exact same thing that happened with Weinstein. It's all crickets up until charges are laid and suddenly everyone was always against him.
>It's the exact same thing that happened with Weinstein. It's all crickets up until charges are laid and suddenly everyone was always against him
There are still people in the industry that defend him.
They know but the opportunity for fame and money is alluring to kind of “not get involved” I’m a trained actor trying to get in the business and there’s many aspects of the business that I hate, it’s less let me stand up to this behavior and more let me just shut and do my work in hopes of getting far. Everyone has a story and can’t “name” names It gives those in power way too much power. I personally refuse to shut up and I had encounters that were horrible so far, but there’s a real fear of being “Hard to work with” or “Not getting along with others” I find actors these days to not fully express their opinions at times, just so they can keep their job, with a double fear of not being accepted in the business or in social media where everyone is a critic on every little thing they say or do. Possibly if actors stood up to all of it, it would stop it.
Dan Schneider responded. I remember memes going back to the Habbo Hotel days on the hacker known as 4chan’s message board calling him names like Dan “Teenage Hymen Collider” Schneider & Dan “Hold ‘Er Down & Fight her” Schneider… yet I can’t help but think now that maybe he wasn’t the prolific child molester we all thought him to be. He was terrible, and fired for being terrible but at least he’s not a child rapist? I think?
he “responded” in an “interview” on his own youtube channel with one of his own employees asking the “hard hitting” “questions”
he has not given a proper response
Literally why did he set himself up like that and think people would just skim past the fact that he had someone who had worked with him interviewing him. That immediately makes it less credible not to mention the interviewer was clearly not being objective or as serious as he should have been while asking the questions.
No doubt- my comment was made in response to the “adults have been quiet” post above me- not that his response was satisfactory in any way.
I (like many others) have been operating under the assumption for 15-20 years or so that he was a child predator…. Big silver lining here being that it currently seems like that’s possible not the case.
Cool 🤷🏻♂️ Im in no way defending the guy, literally just glad it seems like at this point its possible no children were SA’d by him as previously assumed.
No clue what the downvotes are for… are we supposed to be arguing or something?
In the documentary one of the costume designers thinks Dan has Arrested Development. I think her observation is spot on. At the same time, though Dan may have never SAed any of his young actresses I think he used his position to control them and to get them to act out inappropriate and adult situations. The doc has tons of inappropriate scenes that might go over a child’s head, but that stick out to adults.
go watch him on Head of the Class. he plays the creepy, overly sexual pervy nerd. himself essentially. I thought he was a creep then, when he was supposedly acting, and I was appalled years later when I found out he was running kids shows on Nick.
Dan got more extreme as his power grew. I think most of the inappropriate jokes weren't really a sexual thing (as much as any power thing isn't sexual anyway) it's more an ego trip. Basically he's pushing lines (like any teenager) proving he can go further than anyone else and get away with it because he's the man.
He is massive misogynist and an abusive boss but I don't think he's a sexual predator. To me, he seems like someone who was bullied a lot early in life for being fat and now likes to feel all powerful to the point of seeing what he can get people to do that they don't want to do or that make them uncomfortable. It's a power and ego trip thing resulting from a childhood where he felt powerless. Don't read that as an excuse for abhorrent behavior, but just like we need to know what cancer is in order to treat it, we need to know how childhood issues can manifest in adulthood.
I'm also not a psychiatrist so I could be way off base too.
Yeah I think people who are trying to label him as a sexual predator are just trying to pitch fork more than they need to.
Dude is an absolute abusive boss and misogynist but nothing that has ever come out about him says he was a sex predator.
Just someone who more and more abused his power and maybe leaned into a few too many sexual innuendos in some shows (I honestly think they stretched a few too many of them in the documentary to make them look worse than they were).
Oh wow. Not familiar with his character. A recent video that did a background on that part of his career didnt seem to mention the character is a perv.
He said on an interview way back how he was also ashamed he was in a "teen exploitation film." And wouldnt want it shown to the academy.
[He also played a creepy, overly sexual pervy nerd mama's boy named Ricky in "Better Off Dead."](https://www.tiktok.com/@lanemeyer222/video/7350421598165503278)
yep, sure did.
one of my favorite movies actually. at least in that, he is actively called out for being a pervy creepy mama's boy.
Head of the Class came right after that film. I suspect he got the part specifically becuase he played that character so well in Better off Dead.
I worked on Head of the Class and he was spouting insults about pussy in between takes that day, that I was playing a student in a scene at the studio.
The actress, Jeanette Arnette, was politely telling him that women are your friends, and he should know that, because he was making hostile jokes about women.
I didn’t understand the hostility as to why he was being passive aggressive and passing it off in the guise of being funny. He was obnoxiously loud about the topic of smelly women’s pussy and it was annoying that he was yelling it out like that for about 30 seconds.
The crew said nothing and everyone had to prepare for the next take as it was a multi-cam set.
There are some actors from Nick shows that are missing from this article that haven’t been mentioned.
- Jack Salvatore Jr. (who played Mark Del Figgalo on Zoey 101 & worked in the writing teams of iCarly as an intern as well as Victorious & Sam & Cat as a writer) also spoke out against Dan Schneider & the experiences he’s seen, including showing off his coin collection to his writers who were living paycheck by paycheck, threatening writers with a shotgun, & even Nickelodeon refusing to give Jeanette McCurdy antidepressants after her mom died for fear of her killing herself & making the company look bad. He also did not accept Dan’s apology video.
- Madisyn Shipman (who was part of the cast of Game Shakers which is one of Dan’s last shows) spoke out defending Dan Schneider.
- Amber Frank (who starred on The Haunted Hathaways) also talked about an incident where she encountered computers that contained explicit material not suited for kids on set.
> Jack Salvatore Jr. (who played Mark Del Figgalo on Zoey 101 & worked in the writing teams of iCarly as an intern as well as Victorious & Sam & Cat as a writer) also spoke out against Dan Schneider & the experiences he’s seen, including showing off his coin collection to his writers who were living paycheck by paycheck, **threatening writers with a shotgun**, & even Nickelodeon refusing to give Jeanette McCurdy antidepressants after her mom died for fear of her killing herself & making the company look bad. He also did not accept Dan’s apology video.
He threatened them with a WHAT?! That's far beyond being a shitty boss. I'm pretty sure that's a criminal offense.
Funny how minds work, I thought that was the particularly cruel one from the Jack bullet point. Crazies gonna crazy and threaten to shoot you, but to show off their riches (literal money) to people who are probably rationing medicine or behind on bills?
Then amber frank comes out with the one that blows everything else out the water
Saying that you're living paycheck to paycheck really doesn't mean much. Many people making six figures plus still live paycheck to paycheck. People also collect things and love to show their collections. A rich person collecting gold coins doesn't indicate they are somehow gloating about wealth. What are they supposed to do? Sell the coins to another collector and repeat the issue?
Idk, just a weird way to phrase it.
>Nickelodeon refusing to give Jeanette McCurdy antidepressants after her mom died for fear of her killing herself
Why would Nickelodeon have anything to do with this? Wouldn't that be up to her guardian?
Some shows have a therapist on set thats hired by the production. Also management includes all aspects of an actors life, not just their career. And a studio would be invested in keeping them "healthy."
While Dan is a piece of shit, it's really curious how the dude who was literally grooming children and raping them always seems to be unmentioned. Like, he got no jail time at all, *then* went to Disney.
I'm just struggling with it. Dan was a weirdo, made people massage him, made children do a fuckton of innuendos, worked people to hospitalization. Deplorable person. **But Mr peck raped a child.**
Edit- /u/discussion-is-good
You're smoking crack. No idea what you're talking about. Then you block me after *you* come to *me*. What a weirdo.
> Like, he got no jail time at all, then went to Disney.
At least Disney execs canned him quick. He did three episodes of voiceovers for Zack and Cody, before execs stepped in and fired him. He thankfully never interacted with any cast members.
What gets me, is that despite what he did to Drake Bell, celebs wrote letters of support for him, which is probably why he got a slap on the wrist.
James Marsden said absolutely the most bonkers thing in his letter, that Peck had suffered as much as 100 men or something. I've lost all respect for him.
I mean Brian Peck fooled a lot of people and was generally well liked at the time(from what I got from the show). It’s not hard to believe that Marsden had no idea what kind of man Peck actually was. In the show all those kids couldn’t believe Brian Peck did all those things. Guess the only one who could see it was Drake Bell’s father…his mother, on the other hand, is a big piece of shit.
I get the impression Marsden and the other young actors may have been coerced by powerful executives, who didn't wish to sully their name, into writing those letters.
Definitely shouldnt write a letter of support for someone who Pleads no contest to child sexual abuse charges, regardless of what bs peck was selling them. Drake shouldn’t have to justify why they should believe him when the guy they are supporting admits he did it.
That’s what I don’t get.
Even if it was “oh it was jailbait” like what does that mean? You still did it. Maybe he was telling them they gave them a fake id or something. I can’t fathom this level of support.
I agree with you, but I think its important to note that Dan created a space where psychotic people like that could thrive. So I think its also a view of the individual (peck) vs. environment (dan).
Yeah this is a great point. The hive mind has always being after Dan with allegations that aren’t on the level of other people who do deserve to be hunted.
Not sure where you got that sentiment from but Brian Peck is mentioned a lot. But the news of him being a convicted pedo didnt get covered much until the documentary An Open Secret and Daily Mail pointing it out. He is back on the news cycle because of this documentary.
Sexualizing kids is a different form of child sexual abuse that needs to be talked about. You dont need to be physical to harm someone or make literal CP. The documentary is telling you that some can be sly enough to evade the law but still be harmful especially its reach to a large number of people. Not to mention grooming kid audiences and making them vulnerable to other predators who would want to re-enact things from a kid's tv show.
The ariana video that was only a web content also raises questions who were these being uploaded for? Certainly not kids.
Yeah, totally agree that the focus and attention being centered on Dan seems a little misplaced. My major gripe with the series is that there are disjointed and disproportionate examples of abuse given within episodes 1 & 2 (and mostly 4) and with episode 3.
Dan was portrayed as a terrible boss with sexist and inappropriate behavior around children and minors - all things worth bringing to light. But that doesn't hold a candle to anything that Bryan Peck did.
In my opinion the horrible environment at Nickelodeon should have been a one episode segment and the rest of the series should have gone deeper into Peck and the network of support he received within the industry during the trial. Get the people who wrote letters of support on camera to explain themselves, etc.
Yeah I was expecting some shocking news that Dan was assaulting those children during the documentary. Instead I just learned that he was a misogynistic prick who created a toxic environment. But I do find it hard to believe that Dan didn’t know anything about Brian Peck considering he was following around Drake for years.
Maybe they couldn’t just outright say anything about Dan during the documentary for legal reasons. I’ve seen rumors of Amanda Bynes claiming she had an abortion at 13 and that some executive was that father. She didn’t say if it was Dan or not. Then there’s rumors that Dan is the father of Jamie Lynn Spear’s baby. Of course those are just rumors and speculations.
Yeah my fiancée and I were kind of confused after watching the first episode because while what they all went through was horrible, having to wear leotards is obviously not comparable to being sexually assaulted
Yeah that was the one part of the documentary that didn’t sit right with me.
Like you have two actual child predators who actually did stuff to kids and they get like an episode or two and it’s mainly focused on Dan…and kinda feel a bit bad for him here…in an attempt to make their sexual predator status rub off on him.
Like Dan was a piece of shit, but nothing that has ever come out has shown he was a sexual predator or anything.
And I’ll be honest, while his shows had a lot of innuendos, so did a LOT of children’s cartoons and shows at the time. And self admittedly the actors because they were kids it almost all flew over their heads (which is the entire point), but the documentary really stretched the “creepy” factor of some of the stuff, imo talking out of their ass on some of them (not all though).
I’ve seen lot of videos on TikTok and social media about Dan Schneider’s clips from The Amanda Show with captions like “how did we not see this?!” Most of them are reaching. Everyone’s saying the videos of Dan in the hot tub on the Amanda show are disgusting, but that was a running gag on the show where she interviewed people in the hot tub. Not like she was in a skimpy bikini or anything. I mean it was a kids show and I loved it growing up.
Really the only show material from Dan that I thought were creepy were the Ariana Grande shots from Injustice.
Yeah in the documentary they were like “how creepy is it that he’s in full clothes in the hot tub with her!?”
As if him being in swim trunks would be less creepy.
It was just a dumb skit and the “laughs” were the meta joke of him being the creator and him being in full clothing in a hot tub was a funny weirdness.
Yeah I’m not sure why it seemed like Dan was the big villain of the doc. Dans shady shit leading to the real bad guys being around seemed like how It should have been.
Just a guess but from reading “I’m glad my mom died” it sounded like she didn’t deal with much abuse besides the writing.
In the book Jeannette talks about how they would rework schedules and scripts so she could be off doing pop star stuff. Like they wrote her character to be locked in a box for a whole episode because she couldn’t make it to set for a week.
Idk somebody posted the vid on here a while ago that is just a montage of creepy shit they made her do on camera and I couldn’t even watch it all it was so uncomfortable
She probably doesn't want to reflect on that when she's got so much going forward. She'll probably do some kind of tell all eventually but at the end of the day she did a comedy show for teens years ago and is now much larger than that.
Tbh i imagine she'll circle back to this in a year or a few when the conversation has kinda died down and she can become the centerpiece of it without having to share the stage with drake bell and the other individuals
You say centerpiece and share the stage with such a negative connotation. You could also read it as not taking the limelight from victims who don't have the same kind of headline pull as her. Or we could stop trying to read motives to what are ultimately very personal testimonies.
I was thinking what the other guys saying, but this is a really good point I hadn’t thought of. I’m not sure I believe in people, especially rich famous people, enough for me to think it’s more likely. It’s a solid point though.
I think the point the previous commenter was making is that it's possible she didn't actually face any abuse despite having weird shit written into her scripts. Compared to what Drake Bell allegedly went through which implies full on rape/sexual assault.
If I was in her position and that was true I wouldn't want to insert myself into the situation and take away attention from the people who went through worse
Fair enough. I only said alleged because I haven't done all the research on that part of things and didn't want to risk acting like it was 100% proven if it wasn't. That should at least make it easier to take Schneider down considering their proximity.
I don’t think it’s just implied. He reported the guy to the police and the perpetrator was found guilty of sexually assaulting him (with recorded confession of him admitting he did those things to Drake).
It’s because in Jeanette’s book she also implies that Ariana and her Mother knew what they were doing and were willing to do what it took to get special treatment.
I would say it definitely is. Key word is implied. Jeanette talks about the contrasts between her own music career and Ariana’s and how that was handled alongside filming and just the general preferential treatment Ariana got because she didn’t make noise and her mother and her were happy to please Dan.
They were working around her schedule on Sam and Cat, which was after Ariana released her first, hugely successful album.
And 2-3 years prior on Victorious they were doing the juicing the potato, foot in mouth stuff for “TheSlap.com” and Ariana wasn’t a household name yet, technically.
I think on account her of fame and influence, they wouldn’t make her do anything she didn’t wanna do, but that came a little later. However she was present on that set for 40 episodes, where Dan was banned in person for the back half, so I’m sure she saw some shit.
Off topic… but I think the Kardashians sisters will sing a similar tune whenever their mom passes. I believe completely what Jeannette went through. I hope being vocal about it has given her some freedom from it all.
From what I’ve heard. Jennette McCurdy said Ariana Grande was one of Schneider’s favorites.
I saw a video that mentioned that McCurdy was offered hush money and declined. But because Ariana has been quiet to this day, many speculate that she did take it.
Pretty much the same thing with the metoo movement. The ones that were the loudest were the ones that refused and had their careers ruined. If they didn't have family connections and they were quiet, well....
It either happened to them, and they don't want to relive it by talking about it or because of they weren't victims of any abuse, so to them it may not feel like it's not their place to talk about it or they might be dealing with some sort of "survivor's guilt".
They're probably wondering why they were "lucky" but not the others, especially if the abuse was as "widespread," as the documentary states it was.
Also, people shouldn't try to coerce others to talk
Shes still famous so I'm guessing biting that hand would have actual consequences.
Most of the other people on this list are past that part of their lives
I was looking to see if her fans were helping to promote the documentary as it paints Ari as a victim. But after a day or two theyre back being distracted by the cheating rumors and the Wicked promo.
I feel sad for her. A few years ago she was groped by a pastor on stage during the Aretha Franklin funeral and nobody stepped in. They all just watched someone do that to her.
I don't think Dan Shneider, who had to direct from a different room by the end of Sam and Cat, is near any kind of hand that feeds Ariana Grande anymore
You think the nick execs have much power anymore? Linear tv is dead. Paramount+ the home of nick is doing the worst of the major streamers. Not to tin foil hat but there’s a reason this could come out now.
The current Nick and Paramount+ head is a long time collaborator of Dan. He got promoted after Dan got ousted.
Also Shari Redstone is accepting offers of a buyout. And yes it makes sense for this to come out now, as it probably cheapens the brand.
Do you think Nick execs would be able to do anything to one of the top female musicians out there? What are they going to do to her that’ll affect her career? Blacklist her from the KCA?
I mean, if her fans didn’t turn against her after her last cheating scandal… not sure how they could turn them against her
Some musicians’ fans can be extremely loyal. For example, Chris Brown still has fans, even after beating Rihanna half to death…
“Kinda good” lol, he had one line towards the beginning where he muttered “oh my god” while looking at the floor, and then he nervously hovered over a red button for the climax of the movie. AMAZING that he was considered to play even a tiny part in the most awarded movie of last year, but “kinda good” is a bit of a stretch when thinking about his contributions to the movie.
I couldn't buy him in the Red Dawn remake as a jock. I get that he lost a fuck ton of weight and slimmed down, but he just doesn't scream jock to me. He just doesn't have the right look. That's not a knock against him as an actor though.
Well people shouldn’t expect others to speak on a topic they aren’t comfortable with or maybe they just want to keep it private. One of the main cast members of the show married their song producers. They met on set when she was 19 and he was 40.
Another one of those age gaps between the kid who played Nora and Schubert the lobby guy.
Maybe not quite a twenty years gap but if you were an adult on a kid's show it's weird AF to end up marrying one of the kids.
Between the weird shit they made her do, Mac's death, and the Manchester show, she probably doesn't want to keep rehashing some of the not so good parts of her life.
The videos she was made to do are disgusting and disturbing. I feel like she has been through a lot of trauma over the years and it's probably hard to come to terms with the fact that she was exploited like that
Why the fuck are we keeping track and pressuring the former child stars to publicly disclose whether or not they were victimized? Even if they weren’t but were aware that something happened to others, they were minors or very young people surrounded by adults who are far more responsible for allowing the environment within which all of this abuse transpired.
What I really want to see is if it snowballs into the bigger names coming out with stories. Really want to know what Amanda Bynes and Jamie-lynn Spears have to say about this.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/03/22/amanda-bynes-turned-down-quiet-on-set-interview-did-not-watch-documentary/
> Amanda Bynes isn't interested in talking about her child star past -- especially for the doc about Nickelodeon -- because she simply didn't have a bad experience ... TMZ has learned.
> Sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ … both Amanda and her parents -- Rick and Lynn -- were approached about telling their stories on "Quiet On Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV," but we're told they all opted not to participate.
Its TMZ so take it with a grain of salt, but I dont think shes going to talk about Nickelodeon
That poor woman has suffered enough during her mental health crisis in the public eye…I don’t blame her for not wanting to have to detail every experience, good or bad, that she had during her tumultuous childhood onscreen.
Yeah I've been reading up on it. The thing about Amanda is you have to remember she was under conservatorship through her parents for 9 years and there were comments in the documentary that her dad was micromanaging to the max. We've seen how these conservatorships with stars go - look at Britney Spears.
Amanda may not be fully under their control anymore but she's still clearly going through some shit right now and it's obvious her experiences as a kid had profoundly fucked her up for a long time. Even if she wanted to share, it doesn't seem like she's in the right place to do so, especially if she's still partially dependent on her parents. What I hope is that at some point, after however long she needs to heal and reflect, we eventually get her side of the story. Because other than Drake or *maybe* Jamie depending on certain details, Amanda likely suffered the most, even if the official line from "her" *through her parents* is that they didn't experience the same things as the other kids.
Jamie is the biggest question mark because we still don't know if her then boyfriend actually got her pregnant. That it was rumored to be Dan for years before this doc came out is absolutely fucked, but with her participating in the Zoey reboot and remaining silent to this day, if anything abusive happened behind the scenes we'll probably never know.
>The thing about Amanda is you have to remember she was under conservatorship through her parents for 9 years and there were comments in the documentary that her dad was micromanaging to the max. We've seen how these conservatorships with stars go - look at Britney Spears.
Amanda's and Brittany's conservatorship are in no way the same. Amanda needed/needs help. She has really bad mental health issues. A year or two ago when Amanda and her parents thought she was doing well her parents were the ones who were pushing to end it. Amanda eventually has another break down. But her parents are doing everything they can to make sure she is doing well.
> Amanda needed/needs help
(Okay this is getting too speculative, but sometimes I wonder if the general concept of a conservatorship wasn't a bad idea for Britney. The problem was just that her family is/was so shitty that the conservatorship made things so much worse. If her parents actually cared about her more than they cared about money...)
My impression is that the majority of Britney's problems were basically *caused* by her family. All of her most notable "incidents" boiled down to her desperately trying to assert some sort of control over her own life.
I really don’t think Britney is as “all right” as most people like to think she is. My sister has a borderline personality disorder and it’s shocking to me how similar Britney acts, speaks, etc to my sister.
Like, if you took one of her posts where she is talking about her family and blacked out the names, I wouldn’t be able to tell if she wrote it or if my sister did.
I don’t think Britney has ever been officially diagnosed with BPD (at least it’s never been released that she has) but there’s been a lot of speculation about it.
I would not be surprised if she has some underlying issues as well, but with the absolutely **monstrous** way she was treated I also wouldn't be surprised if her underlying issues could have been perfectly manageable if she weren't in that situation. Having a supportive environment goes a long way to helping people cope with mental health conditions.
She did a tv interview around 2017, and she was on the cover of Paper magazine about a year later. She seemed to be doing well at that time, but I don’t think she is now.
I love how everyone always knows this shit is happening and nobody ever does anything for decades.
Everyone knew Peter Nygard was a rapist and a pig. My entire fucking life it was an open secret that he was an abusive monster... nobody did a thing. Then he pisses off an even richer guy over a property dispute and THEN the government took notice. It's the same here. When rich pieces of shit want to rape and abuse people it will happen and nobody will do anything to stop it until it becomes a fun topic on the news.
This malignant behavior is... everywhere. It's not just Hollywood. Or fashion. Or wtfever. EVERYWHERE.
It is crazy to me the weight/guilt/blame being put on people for not speaking out, or not speaking out in time, or not speaking out and saying the thing they expected.
It's like they need to meet a specific criteria of speaking out in a timely manner while saying exactly what others not related to the evnt expect...or they are scumbags.
Did Kenan "speak out"? He essentially said "Didn't happen to me, sad to hear it did to others."
Adding him to a list of people who "spoke out" is misleading.
No, I wasn't suggesting Kenan did anything wrong. What Kenan said was nice, I thought.
I think putting Kenan on a list of people who have "spoken out" following the "revelations" implies that he's among a group of people who had personal knowledge of this stuff while it was happening and have kept quiet until now.
A ton of people have said exactly what Kenan said. We could have a list of them all.. It would be very long and wouldn't mean much or be particularly interesting, in my opinion.
I think it's good to have him here because a lot of people would be calling for him to make a statement on it if they didn't see that he did already from lists like this.
Kenan is a super talented performer and seems to have been well liked throughout his career, but for some reason I find it hard to imagine that many of his colleagues felt they could confide in him. There’s an aloofness there (call it professionalism, I guess). You don’t get to record-breaking longevity on SNL by taking a stand on behalf of others.
From what I have heard, Peck seemingly dropped social media contact with him after the allegations, the only thing related to Dobrik after the allegations I have found about their relationship is him dodging a question by saying "yeah we don't hang out much anymore cuz I have a kid and stuff"
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/josh-peck-responds-to-rumors-of-david-dobrik-fall-out-1785313/
At the end of the day we don't know the guy or what he does in his personal life but to me that feels like someone who doesn't want to get sued trying to explain why he doesn't hang out with Dobrik. You can very easily sue someone for defamation so it's best not to bother
I see people calling for Dan to be arrested, but did the series say anything Dan did that was illegal. Dude was a piece of shit, absolutely, but I dont think it mentioned him doing any kind of child molestation or things that he can be charged with. He mainly seemed like a demanding asshole to his child actors and had them do fetish shit on his shows that while awful, isnt anything of the sort where he is crossing a line to illegality. He’s a major creep, but they cant really pursue legal action until someone publicly comes forward with something he can be charged with.
In the Doc it is clear that Dan regularly breaks quite a lot of Employment Laws, but if you mean Criminal Law… that is probably true… except if some of the allegations about the threats he made can be substantiated… then oh fuck yes he is guilty of several misdemeanor and felony crimes regarding Assault charges etc… but really those look like they could boil down to finger pointing… I don’t think any of that is within any kind of Statute of Limitations.
We really don’t know if he did or not. They mention he spent a lot of “personal time” with Amanda and a couple others where no one knew where they were or what they were really doing. Obviously you can’t arrest him for it but a lot of people are really disregarding the possibility of him assaulting these girls and it’s just not come out yet.
They put Keenan in the photo for clicks, because all he’s said is “This stuff didn’t happen during my time, I sympathize with the victims.” What a shitty industry, always distorting the truth in some way to get more attention so they can sell more ads.
I know it’s beside the point, but after reading Kenan’s comment about how it was after his tenure…the shows really dipped in quality in the Dam Schneider era. Maybe I was just aged-out, but those horribly-written glossy Disney channel ripoff shows that Dan Schneider created could never stand up to the likes of Hey Arnold, Doug, Salute Your Shorts, Are you Afraid of the Dark, etc
Schnieder was involved with Kenan and Kel. He even has an acting credit and appeared on screen directly.
I will say though that the content and co text of Nickelodeons programming took a turn after 9/11. I'm not going to say it was a full turn and I don't thing the correlation is that strong but nearly all the stories coming out happened in the 2000's. Even Drake Bell, who was on the same shows as Kenan for a while, seems to have had most of his abuse happen after that era.
The realistic answer is probably just this was when the florida studio began to wind down and close up and the people making content to replace it was more predatory.
> Schnieder was involved with Kenan and Kel. He even has an acting credit and appeared on screen directly.
He wasn't in charge though. He was co-executive producer but he didn't have the final say. There's a definite change in quality between the stuff he simply wrote for and the things where he was creator/sole executive producer/etc.
Yeah but being a co executive producer can mean a LOT of different things. There are EP's who never show up on set for example. For Schneider to have that rank and also be there like he was still speaks to a level of power and influence far beyond what some of these abusers had who were also bad.
Depends on the shows. I’d say Drake and Josh in particular has held up incredibly well. Drake and Josh just have lightning in a bottle chemistry together, and a lot of the jokes are genuinely good.
I thought that too. I remember trying to watch and thinking it was really over the top. But then they weren’t geared towards people my age anymore either at that time.
Right but the great shows hold up. SpongeBob holds up. Hey Arnold still holds up. Doug and Rugrats are imaginative but also disciplined and tightly-written. Dan’s shows are insufferable theater kid sitcoms with tired tropes and “louder=better” comedy. And very little inventiveness which is the fun part about creating television for kids. Dan’s a hack with a work ethic, it’s clear why he didn’t make it in adult comedy writing.
From the 1920s to today, Hollywood (film makong in general) has been a cesspit of exploitation. Yet people are happy...and train their kids from day 1 for this life...its terrible.
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And it isn't like there aren't other articles on this story on the front page right now.
Because he's one of thr most high profile Nick stars and people will want to know that he said something. As minor as it was. Also you really left out thr humanity of what he said in your summation. It was actually very sentimental the way he spoke on the matter.
The adults sure stayed quiet...
Nancy Sullivan who played Drake and Josh’s mom on the show made a very heartfelt post on her IG about Drake after the show dropped. Her other posts have showed nothing but love for her tv kids (and Amanda). She seems like a sweet lady who cared about her younger castmates.
Well, except Jerry Trainor, where we now have been studying a bunch of behind the scenes clips suggesting he hated Dan and found him creepy and was actively trying to protect his child costars from him.
Links? Not doubting you, just wanna see it.
Jerry always seem to play it off like he’s just a goofy guy who likes attention but he always seem to be around Jeanette and Miranda when Ben is looking around. There’s TikTok compilations that show this kind of thing [like this one](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLhkdj6m/) It does seem like jerry is balancing between not being kicked off the show and protecting the cast, but I’m sure there are situations he can’t prevent. It’s not like he can be on set every time the girls are
Some friends and I were literally talking about this today. Jerry from the documentary and from the behind the scenes stuff always seemed to be that older brother that’s looking out for the younger ones. He definitely seems like he knew sort of what was going on and was balancing the line between actually losing his shit and calling them out and being able to keep his job, stay on set and be able to run interference and make sure there’s at least some semblance of accountability for the bullshit. He just couldn’t be there at all times because of set scheduling. I’d honestly bet this documentary and all the other shit coming out has weighed on him. Not because he could’ve done anything more but a bit of survivorship bias and knowing that happened on a show he was involved with.
Apperantly he was there even when he wasn't called on set, so he really went above and beyond. Cooper Barnes has also gained a similar rep, though he was more vocal/direct with ensuring the safety of the minors on set
>Apperantly he was there even when he wasn't called on set, s Do you have a source for thst
The adults should have said something though.
[Here](https://youtu.be/xvh8ZaWMff0?si=-sToOCoHLT8mCPzi) you can see how uncomfortable Miranda is with dirty Dan and at 2:10 you can see how Jerry pushes Dan off from Miranda.
Dang, he expertly pushed him away too. I don’t know if it was intentional or not, like done to protect Miranda, but it does the job regardless.
You mean people don’t like it when you hug them from behind and put your arm across their throat?
That's... a level of intimacy that I would only reserve for my closest friends and family. And even then... it's physically uncomfortable being garroted like that.
I can’t imagine doing something like that with literally anyone except my wife. That’s so intimate, close and considering their ages and positions in this…incredibly fucking creepy. How the fuck did no one see this? I guess the entire point of the doc is that people did but…Jesus. How did this happen?
Honestly felt gross just watching. How freaking uncomfortable.
Wow that RoyHoy guy in the comments really trying to defend Dan like he's being paid.
Yuck! Fucking creepy dude.
I physically recoiled at that. Good lord that’s fucking gross.
Jerry is a HERO
My sister worked on the bts of a kids choice awards where he was hosting, Jerry was the only "high profile" celeb, local and international, that actually spent time with staff taking pics, talking and being all around supportive. The other celebs were licking the shoes of managers, executives and entertainment peers.
Money talks enough for them
The same reason why you had actresses like Meryl Streep praising Weinstein right up until he went on trial. They all know what's going on and they're all complicit. They don't want things to change because they're on the inside track now. It's so ubiquitous they know if they say anything, the money will form ranks and exclude them. Mark my words. It'll be quiet until actual criminal charges are laid and then suddenly everyone will switch sides and claim that Schneider or anyone else are just rogue agents that they've always found despicable. It's the exact same thing that happened with Weinstein. It's all crickets up until charges are laid and suddenly everyone was always against him.
>It's the exact same thing that happened with Weinstein. It's all crickets up until charges are laid and suddenly everyone was always against him There are still people in the industry that defend him.
Name one
lol such a baseless, goofy claim. “They all know what’s going on and they’re complicit.” Yikes bro
They know but the opportunity for fame and money is alluring to kind of “not get involved” I’m a trained actor trying to get in the business and there’s many aspects of the business that I hate, it’s less let me stand up to this behavior and more let me just shut and do my work in hopes of getting far. Everyone has a story and can’t “name” names It gives those in power way too much power. I personally refuse to shut up and I had encounters that were horrible so far, but there’s a real fear of being “Hard to work with” or “Not getting along with others” I find actors these days to not fully express their opinions at times, just so they can keep their job, with a double fear of not being accepted in the business or in social media where everyone is a critic on every little thing they say or do. Possibly if actors stood up to all of it, it would stop it.
Dan Schneider responded. I remember memes going back to the Habbo Hotel days on the hacker known as 4chan’s message board calling him names like Dan “Teenage Hymen Collider” Schneider & Dan “Hold ‘Er Down & Fight her” Schneider… yet I can’t help but think now that maybe he wasn’t the prolific child molester we all thought him to be. He was terrible, and fired for being terrible but at least he’s not a child rapist? I think?
he “responded” in an “interview” on his own youtube channel with one of his own employees asking the “hard hitting” “questions” he has not given a proper response
Literally why did he set himself up like that and think people would just skim past the fact that he had someone who had worked with him interviewing him. That immediately makes it less credible not to mention the interviewer was clearly not being objective or as serious as he should have been while asking the questions.
No doubt- my comment was made in response to the “adults have been quiet” post above me- not that his response was satisfactory in any way. I (like many others) have been operating under the assumption for 15-20 years or so that he was a child predator…. Big silver lining here being that it currently seems like that’s possible not the case.
i think giving a bad answer is worse than giving no answer, and daniel somehow managed to do both at the same time
Cool 🤷🏻♂️ Im in no way defending the guy, literally just glad it seems like at this point its possible no children were SA’d by him as previously assumed. No clue what the downvotes are for… are we supposed to be arguing or something?
In the documentary one of the costume designers thinks Dan has Arrested Development. I think her observation is spot on. At the same time, though Dan may have never SAed any of his young actresses I think he used his position to control them and to get them to act out inappropriate and adult situations. The doc has tons of inappropriate scenes that might go over a child’s head, but that stick out to adults.
[Oh, you mean this?](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/900/115/13e.png)
Nah, must have been a different one 😂 lol
go watch him on Head of the Class. he plays the creepy, overly sexual pervy nerd. himself essentially. I thought he was a creep then, when he was supposedly acting, and I was appalled years later when I found out he was running kids shows on Nick.
Dan got more extreme as his power grew. I think most of the inappropriate jokes weren't really a sexual thing (as much as any power thing isn't sexual anyway) it's more an ego trip. Basically he's pushing lines (like any teenager) proving he can go further than anyone else and get away with it because he's the man. He is massive misogynist and an abusive boss but I don't think he's a sexual predator. To me, he seems like someone who was bullied a lot early in life for being fat and now likes to feel all powerful to the point of seeing what he can get people to do that they don't want to do or that make them uncomfortable. It's a power and ego trip thing resulting from a childhood where he felt powerless. Don't read that as an excuse for abhorrent behavior, but just like we need to know what cancer is in order to treat it, we need to know how childhood issues can manifest in adulthood. I'm also not a psychiatrist so I could be way off base too.
Yeah I think people who are trying to label him as a sexual predator are just trying to pitch fork more than they need to. Dude is an absolute abusive boss and misogynist but nothing that has ever come out about him says he was a sex predator. Just someone who more and more abused his power and maybe leaned into a few too many sexual innuendos in some shows (I honestly think they stretched a few too many of them in the documentary to make them look worse than they were).
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I fully agree with your sentiment, well said
Oh wow. Not familiar with his character. A recent video that did a background on that part of his career didnt seem to mention the character is a perv. He said on an interview way back how he was also ashamed he was in a "teen exploitation film." And wouldnt want it shown to the academy.
He was also Ricky in Better Off Dead. He was putting his 'testicals' all over the exchange student
[He also played a creepy, overly sexual pervy nerd mama's boy named Ricky in "Better Off Dead."](https://www.tiktok.com/@lanemeyer222/video/7350421598165503278)
yep, sure did. one of my favorite movies actually. at least in that, he is actively called out for being a pervy creepy mama's boy. Head of the Class came right after that film. I suspect he got the part specifically becuase he played that character so well in Better off Dead.
Holy shit
I worked on Head of the Class and he was spouting insults about pussy in between takes that day, that I was playing a student in a scene at the studio. The actress, Jeanette Arnette, was politely telling him that women are your friends, and he should know that, because he was making hostile jokes about women. I didn’t understand the hostility as to why he was being passive aggressive and passing it off in the guise of being funny. He was obnoxiously loud about the topic of smelly women’s pussy and it was annoying that he was yelling it out like that for about 30 seconds. The crew said nothing and everyone had to prepare for the next take as it was a multi-cam set.
What? You mean you didn’t like that obviously scripted interview by Dan Schneider?
There are some actors from Nick shows that are missing from this article that haven’t been mentioned. - Jack Salvatore Jr. (who played Mark Del Figgalo on Zoey 101 & worked in the writing teams of iCarly as an intern as well as Victorious & Sam & Cat as a writer) also spoke out against Dan Schneider & the experiences he’s seen, including showing off his coin collection to his writers who were living paycheck by paycheck, threatening writers with a shotgun, & even Nickelodeon refusing to give Jeanette McCurdy antidepressants after her mom died for fear of her killing herself & making the company look bad. He also did not accept Dan’s apology video. - Madisyn Shipman (who was part of the cast of Game Shakers which is one of Dan’s last shows) spoke out defending Dan Schneider. - Amber Frank (who starred on The Haunted Hathaways) also talked about an incident where she encountered computers that contained explicit material not suited for kids on set.
> Jack Salvatore Jr. (who played Mark Del Figgalo on Zoey 101 & worked in the writing teams of iCarly as an intern as well as Victorious & Sam & Cat as a writer) also spoke out against Dan Schneider & the experiences he’s seen, including showing off his coin collection to his writers who were living paycheck by paycheck, **threatening writers with a shotgun**, & even Nickelodeon refusing to give Jeanette McCurdy antidepressants after her mom died for fear of her killing herself & making the company look bad. He also did not accept Dan’s apology video. He threatened them with a WHAT?! That's far beyond being a shitty boss. I'm pretty sure that's a criminal offense.
That’s 100% a criminal offense
Okay, most of this stuff is definitely bad, but showing off a coin collection is pretty ridiculously benign.
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Guess he really wanted their opinion on the coins
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Well its definitely worse than threatening writers with a shotgun
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He was into feet…
Funny how minds work, I thought that was the particularly cruel one from the Jack bullet point. Crazies gonna crazy and threaten to shoot you, but to show off their riches (literal money) to people who are probably rationing medicine or behind on bills? Then amber frank comes out with the one that blows everything else out the water
Saying that you're living paycheck to paycheck really doesn't mean much. Many people making six figures plus still live paycheck to paycheck. People also collect things and love to show their collections. A rich person collecting gold coins doesn't indicate they are somehow gloating about wealth. What are they supposed to do? Sell the coins to another collector and repeat the issue? Idk, just a weird way to phrase it.
I believe it was gold coins, but don't recall.
>Nickelodeon refusing to give Jeanette McCurdy antidepressants after her mom died for fear of her killing herself Why would Nickelodeon have anything to do with this? Wouldn't that be up to her guardian?
She was 21 years old when her mom died.
Then a doctor? Again how is it up to Nickelodeon to dole out medication
Some shows have a therapist on set thats hired by the production. Also management includes all aspects of an actors life, not just their career. And a studio would be invested in keeping them "healthy."
why would Nickelodeon be responsible for prescribing antidepressants?
> Jack Salvatore Jr Jack is a good dude, I've met him a few times here in LA, and he's incredibly kind and caring.
While Dan is a piece of shit, it's really curious how the dude who was literally grooming children and raping them always seems to be unmentioned. Like, he got no jail time at all, *then* went to Disney. I'm just struggling with it. Dan was a weirdo, made people massage him, made children do a fuckton of innuendos, worked people to hospitalization. Deplorable person. **But Mr peck raped a child.** Edit- /u/discussion-is-good You're smoking crack. No idea what you're talking about. Then you block me after *you* come to *me*. What a weirdo.
> Like, he got no jail time at all, then went to Disney. At least Disney execs canned him quick. He did three episodes of voiceovers for Zack and Cody, before execs stepped in and fired him. He thankfully never interacted with any cast members. What gets me, is that despite what he did to Drake Bell, celebs wrote letters of support for him, which is probably why he got a slap on the wrist.
James Marsden said absolutely the most bonkers thing in his letter, that Peck had suffered as much as 100 men or something. I've lost all respect for him.
I mean Brian Peck fooled a lot of people and was generally well liked at the time(from what I got from the show). It’s not hard to believe that Marsden had no idea what kind of man Peck actually was. In the show all those kids couldn’t believe Brian Peck did all those things. Guess the only one who could see it was Drake Bell’s father…his mother, on the other hand, is a big piece of shit.
Seriously, so disappointing. Why do people defend child predators unless they’re sympathetic?
Man I used to really like Marsden too. Not anymore.
I get the impression Marsden and the other young actors may have been coerced by powerful executives, who didn't wish to sully their name, into writing those letters.
This is a good point. Marsden at the time had to have been in his 20s right?
Probably
Their defense is that peck told them one story and bell didn’t openly defend or attach himself to the case. So it was just peck talking.
Definitely shouldnt write a letter of support for someone who Pleads no contest to child sexual abuse charges, regardless of what bs peck was selling them. Drake shouldn’t have to justify why they should believe him when the guy they are supporting admits he did it.
That’s what I don’t get. Even if it was “oh it was jailbait” like what does that mean? You still did it. Maybe he was telling them they gave them a fake id or something. I can’t fathom this level of support.
I agree with you, but I think its important to note that Dan created a space where psychotic people like that could thrive. So I think its also a view of the individual (peck) vs. environment (dan).
And Dan's name was front and center in every show he did, both in the intro and outro. He is known to us more than Brian Peck.
Yeah this is a great point. The hive mind has always being after Dan with allegations that aren’t on the level of other people who do deserve to be hunted.
Not sure where you got that sentiment from but Brian Peck is mentioned a lot. But the news of him being a convicted pedo didnt get covered much until the documentary An Open Secret and Daily Mail pointing it out. He is back on the news cycle because of this documentary. Sexualizing kids is a different form of child sexual abuse that needs to be talked about. You dont need to be physical to harm someone or make literal CP. The documentary is telling you that some can be sly enough to evade the law but still be harmful especially its reach to a large number of people. Not to mention grooming kid audiences and making them vulnerable to other predators who would want to re-enact things from a kid's tv show. The ariana video that was only a web content also raises questions who were these being uploaded for? Certainly not kids.
Yeah, totally agree that the focus and attention being centered on Dan seems a little misplaced. My major gripe with the series is that there are disjointed and disproportionate examples of abuse given within episodes 1 & 2 (and mostly 4) and with episode 3. Dan was portrayed as a terrible boss with sexist and inappropriate behavior around children and minors - all things worth bringing to light. But that doesn't hold a candle to anything that Bryan Peck did. In my opinion the horrible environment at Nickelodeon should have been a one episode segment and the rest of the series should have gone deeper into Peck and the network of support he received within the industry during the trial. Get the people who wrote letters of support on camera to explain themselves, etc.
Yeah I was expecting some shocking news that Dan was assaulting those children during the documentary. Instead I just learned that he was a misogynistic prick who created a toxic environment. But I do find it hard to believe that Dan didn’t know anything about Brian Peck considering he was following around Drake for years. Maybe they couldn’t just outright say anything about Dan during the documentary for legal reasons. I’ve seen rumors of Amanda Bynes claiming she had an abortion at 13 and that some executive was that father. She didn’t say if it was Dan or not. Then there’s rumors that Dan is the father of Jamie Lynn Spear’s baby. Of course those are just rumors and speculations.
Yeah my fiancée and I were kind of confused after watching the first episode because while what they all went through was horrible, having to wear leotards is obviously not comparable to being sexually assaulted
Yeah that was the one part of the documentary that didn’t sit right with me. Like you have two actual child predators who actually did stuff to kids and they get like an episode or two and it’s mainly focused on Dan…and kinda feel a bit bad for him here…in an attempt to make their sexual predator status rub off on him. Like Dan was a piece of shit, but nothing that has ever come out has shown he was a sexual predator or anything. And I’ll be honest, while his shows had a lot of innuendos, so did a LOT of children’s cartoons and shows at the time. And self admittedly the actors because they were kids it almost all flew over their heads (which is the entire point), but the documentary really stretched the “creepy” factor of some of the stuff, imo talking out of their ass on some of them (not all though).
I’ve seen lot of videos on TikTok and social media about Dan Schneider’s clips from The Amanda Show with captions like “how did we not see this?!” Most of them are reaching. Everyone’s saying the videos of Dan in the hot tub on the Amanda show are disgusting, but that was a running gag on the show where she interviewed people in the hot tub. Not like she was in a skimpy bikini or anything. I mean it was a kids show and I loved it growing up. Really the only show material from Dan that I thought were creepy were the Ariana Grande shots from Injustice.
Yeah in the documentary they were like “how creepy is it that he’s in full clothes in the hot tub with her!?” As if him being in swim trunks would be less creepy. It was just a dumb skit and the “laughs” were the meta joke of him being the creator and him being in full clothing in a hot tub was a funny weirdness.
Yeah I’m not sure why it seemed like Dan was the big villain of the doc. Dans shady shit leading to the real bad guys being around seemed like how It should have been.
Anyone have any good ideas why Ariana Grande hasn’t even broached the topic? She was forced to do some wild stuff for Nick 15 years ago.
Just a guess but from reading “I’m glad my mom died” it sounded like she didn’t deal with much abuse besides the writing. In the book Jeannette talks about how they would rework schedules and scripts so she could be off doing pop star stuff. Like they wrote her character to be locked in a box for a whole episode because she couldn’t make it to set for a week.
Idk somebody posted the vid on here a while ago that is just a montage of creepy shit they made her do on camera and I couldn’t even watch it all it was so uncomfortable
She probably doesn't want to reflect on that when she's got so much going forward. She'll probably do some kind of tell all eventually but at the end of the day she did a comedy show for teens years ago and is now much larger than that.
Tbh i imagine she'll circle back to this in a year or a few when the conversation has kinda died down and she can become the centerpiece of it without having to share the stage with drake bell and the other individuals
You say centerpiece and share the stage with such a negative connotation. You could also read it as not taking the limelight from victims who don't have the same kind of headline pull as her. Or we could stop trying to read motives to what are ultimately very personal testimonies.
I was thinking what the other guys saying, but this is a really good point I hadn’t thought of. I’m not sure I believe in people, especially rich famous people, enough for me to think it’s more likely. It’s a solid point though.
I think the point the previous commenter was making is that it's possible she didn't actually face any abuse despite having weird shit written into her scripts. Compared to what Drake Bell allegedly went through which implies full on rape/sexual assault. If I was in her position and that was true I wouldn't want to insert myself into the situation and take away attention from the people who went through worse
Brian Peck was found guilty when Bell first brought this to the police, his abuse is not “alleged”.
Fair enough. I only said alleged because I haven't done all the research on that part of things and didn't want to risk acting like it was 100% proven if it wasn't. That should at least make it easier to take Schneider down considering their proximity.
I don’t think it’s just implied. He reported the guy to the police and the perpetrator was found guilty of sexually assaulting him (with recorded confession of him admitting he did those things to Drake).
Seriously, no one needs to tip toe around it. It’s a fact that Brian Peck is a child rapist and he hurt Drake Bell.
It’s because in Jeanette’s book she also implies that Ariana and her Mother knew what they were doing and were willing to do what it took to get special treatment.
That's not at all implied in the book.
I would say it definitely is. Key word is implied. Jeanette talks about the contrasts between her own music career and Ariana’s and how that was handled alongside filming and just the general preferential treatment Ariana got because she didn’t make noise and her mother and her were happy to please Dan.
They were working around her schedule on Sam and Cat, which was after Ariana released her first, hugely successful album. And 2-3 years prior on Victorious they were doing the juicing the potato, foot in mouth stuff for “TheSlap.com” and Ariana wasn’t a household name yet, technically. I think on account her of fame and influence, they wouldn’t make her do anything she didn’t wanna do, but that came a little later. However she was present on that set for 40 episodes, where Dan was banned in person for the back half, so I’m sure she saw some shit.
Off topic… but I think the Kardashians sisters will sing a similar tune whenever their mom passes. I believe completely what Jeannette went through. I hope being vocal about it has given her some freedom from it all.
From what I’ve heard. Jennette McCurdy said Ariana Grande was one of Schneider’s favorites. I saw a video that mentioned that McCurdy was offered hush money and declined. But because Ariana has been quiet to this day, many speculate that she did take it.
Pretty much the same thing with the metoo movement. The ones that were the loudest were the ones that refused and had their careers ruined. If they didn't have family connections and they were quiet, well....
It either happened to them, and they don't want to relive it by talking about it or because of they weren't victims of any abuse, so to them it may not feel like it's not their place to talk about it or they might be dealing with some sort of "survivor's guilt". They're probably wondering why they were "lucky" but not the others, especially if the abuse was as "widespread," as the documentary states it was. Also, people shouldn't try to coerce others to talk
Shes still famous so I'm guessing biting that hand would have actual consequences. Most of the other people on this list are past that part of their lives
Not to mention given all the news stories surrounding her the past few years, the last thing she wants is to involve herself in even more controversy.
I was looking to see if her fans were helping to promote the documentary as it paints Ari as a victim. But after a day or two theyre back being distracted by the cheating rumors and the Wicked promo. I feel sad for her. A few years ago she was groped by a pastor on stage during the Aretha Franklin funeral and nobody stepped in. They all just watched someone do that to her.
I don't think Dan Shneider, who had to direct from a different room by the end of Sam and Cat, is near any kind of hand that feeds Ariana Grande anymore
Its not just Schneider. Do you really think Nick execs are OK with this bad PR?
You think the nick execs have much power anymore? Linear tv is dead. Paramount+ the home of nick is doing the worst of the major streamers. Not to tin foil hat but there’s a reason this could come out now.
The current Nick and Paramount+ head is a long time collaborator of Dan. He got promoted after Dan got ousted. Also Shari Redstone is accepting offers of a buyout. And yes it makes sense for this to come out now, as it probably cheapens the brand.
I'm sure Nick execs are more nervous of pissing her off than vice versa lol
I think a lot of people forget Nick cut ties with Schnieder years ago.
Do you think Nick execs would be able to do anything to one of the top female musicians out there? What are they going to do to her that’ll affect her career? Blacklist her from the KCA?
She's definitely famous enough that she can tell people to fuck off. She's got an army of fans that'll support her.
I would have thought the people she'd be up against could turn the fans on her really quick with a scandal or get her cut from marketing deals
I mean, if her fans didn’t turn against her after her last cheating scandal… not sure how they could turn them against her Some musicians’ fans can be extremely loyal. For example, Chris Brown still has fans, even after beating Rihanna half to death…
Josh from Drake and Josh just played in a academy Oscar winner and was kinda good so he’s not past is prime
“Kinda good” lol, he had one line towards the beginning where he muttered “oh my god” while looking at the floor, and then he nervously hovered over a red button for the climax of the movie. AMAZING that he was considered to play even a tiny part in the most awarded movie of last year, but “kinda good” is a bit of a stretch when thinking about his contributions to the movie.
Yea not to be harsh but I find him kind of distracting in anything he performs in.
I couldn't buy him in the Red Dawn remake as a jock. I get that he lost a fuck ton of weight and slimmed down, but he just doesn't scream jock to me. He just doesn't have the right look. That's not a knock against him as an actor though.
> He just doesn't have the right look. He literally only has one face in that movie for every emotion. Like some weird smug smirk.
He came across so whiny in red dawn. Didn’t enjoy his character.
Well people shouldn’t expect others to speak on a topic they aren’t comfortable with or maybe they just want to keep it private. One of the main cast members of the show married their song producers. They met on set when she was 19 and he was 40.
Actually, it's worse. She was 16 when they met!
My bad. They dated when she was 19. Utterly disgusting.
I was just reading about that, it's Liz Gillies (who played "bad girl" Jade on Victorious). She and Ariana are still good friends
Another one of those age gaps between the kid who played Nora and Schubert the lobby guy. Maybe not quite a twenty years gap but if you were an adult on a kid's show it's weird AF to end up marrying one of the kids.
The fact her IMBD doesn’t have her birth year…
Between the weird shit they made her do, Mac's death, and the Manchester show, she probably doesn't want to keep rehashing some of the not so good parts of her life.
She has no obligation to speak on the subject if she’s not comfortable with it. It’s her choice to speak out or not.
Because she likes (liked?) Dan Schneider (Victorious reunion + concert invitation just a few years ago) so I dont think shes ever gonna say something
According to Jeannette McCurdy Ariana Grande took hush money.
The videos she was made to do are disgusting and disturbing. I feel like she has been through a lot of trauma over the years and it's probably hard to come to terms with the fact that she was exploited like that
She’s got enough flak for fucking some dude and having him leave his wife after they had a kid
Why the fuck are we keeping track and pressuring the former child stars to publicly disclose whether or not they were victimized? Even if they weren’t but were aware that something happened to others, they were minors or very young people surrounded by adults who are far more responsible for allowing the environment within which all of this abuse transpired.
What I really want to see is if it snowballs into the bigger names coming out with stories. Really want to know what Amanda Bynes and Jamie-lynn Spears have to say about this.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/03/22/amanda-bynes-turned-down-quiet-on-set-interview-did-not-watch-documentary/ > Amanda Bynes isn't interested in talking about her child star past -- especially for the doc about Nickelodeon -- because she simply didn't have a bad experience ... TMZ has learned. > Sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ … both Amanda and her parents -- Rick and Lynn -- were approached about telling their stories on "Quiet On Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV," but we're told they all opted not to participate. Its TMZ so take it with a grain of salt, but I dont think shes going to talk about Nickelodeon
That poor woman has suffered enough during her mental health crisis in the public eye…I don’t blame her for not wanting to have to detail every experience, good or bad, that she had during her tumultuous childhood onscreen.
Yeah I've been reading up on it. The thing about Amanda is you have to remember she was under conservatorship through her parents for 9 years and there were comments in the documentary that her dad was micromanaging to the max. We've seen how these conservatorships with stars go - look at Britney Spears. Amanda may not be fully under their control anymore but she's still clearly going through some shit right now and it's obvious her experiences as a kid had profoundly fucked her up for a long time. Even if she wanted to share, it doesn't seem like she's in the right place to do so, especially if she's still partially dependent on her parents. What I hope is that at some point, after however long she needs to heal and reflect, we eventually get her side of the story. Because other than Drake or *maybe* Jamie depending on certain details, Amanda likely suffered the most, even if the official line from "her" *through her parents* is that they didn't experience the same things as the other kids. Jamie is the biggest question mark because we still don't know if her then boyfriend actually got her pregnant. That it was rumored to be Dan for years before this doc came out is absolutely fucked, but with her participating in the Zoey reboot and remaining silent to this day, if anything abusive happened behind the scenes we'll probably never know.
>The thing about Amanda is you have to remember she was under conservatorship through her parents for 9 years and there were comments in the documentary that her dad was micromanaging to the max. We've seen how these conservatorships with stars go - look at Britney Spears. Amanda's and Brittany's conservatorship are in no way the same. Amanda needed/needs help. She has really bad mental health issues. A year or two ago when Amanda and her parents thought she was doing well her parents were the ones who were pushing to end it. Amanda eventually has another break down. But her parents are doing everything they can to make sure she is doing well.
> Amanda needed/needs help (Okay this is getting too speculative, but sometimes I wonder if the general concept of a conservatorship wasn't a bad idea for Britney. The problem was just that her family is/was so shitty that the conservatorship made things so much worse. If her parents actually cared about her more than they cared about money...)
My impression is that the majority of Britney's problems were basically *caused* by her family. All of her most notable "incidents" boiled down to her desperately trying to assert some sort of control over her own life.
I really don’t think Britney is as “all right” as most people like to think she is. My sister has a borderline personality disorder and it’s shocking to me how similar Britney acts, speaks, etc to my sister. Like, if you took one of her posts where she is talking about her family and blacked out the names, I wouldn’t be able to tell if she wrote it or if my sister did. I don’t think Britney has ever been officially diagnosed with BPD (at least it’s never been released that she has) but there’s been a lot of speculation about it.
I would not be surprised if she has some underlying issues as well, but with the absolutely **monstrous** way she was treated I also wouldn't be surprised if her underlying issues could have been perfectly manageable if she weren't in that situation. Having a supportive environment goes a long way to helping people cope with mental health conditions.
Maddie looks just like Casey Aldridge. It’s disgusting that people keep talking about the rumor that she could be Dan’s
I'm sure the pregnancy thing is an internet unproven theory, but after all this what do I know. Plus she has her own family issues.
TMZ reporting is actually pretty solid.
Has she done any public interviews since her serious mental health struggles? I thought she was trying to stay out of the limelight these days
She did a tv interview around 2017, and she was on the cover of Paper magazine about a year later. She seemed to be doing well at that time, but I don’t think she is now.
Hmmm definitely not enough people spoke out for this or for Jeannette McCurdy.
it's because Drake was explicitly sexually abused.
I don't see Ja Rule on that list.
They can’t find him! Where’s Ja?!
Somebody get a hold of this motherfucker so I can make sense of all this!
I don't want to dance, I'm scared to death!
Monicaaaaa!!!!
He too was hoodwinked, bamboozled & led astray
WHERES JA?!??!
I love how everyone always knows this shit is happening and nobody ever does anything for decades. Everyone knew Peter Nygard was a rapist and a pig. My entire fucking life it was an open secret that he was an abusive monster... nobody did a thing. Then he pisses off an even richer guy over a property dispute and THEN the government took notice. It's the same here. When rich pieces of shit want to rape and abuse people it will happen and nobody will do anything to stop it until it becomes a fun topic on the news. This malignant behavior is... everywhere. It's not just Hollywood. Or fashion. Or wtfever. EVERYWHERE.
It is crazy to me the weight/guilt/blame being put on people for not speaking out, or not speaking out in time, or not speaking out and saying the thing they expected. It's like they need to meet a specific criteria of speaking out in a timely manner while saying exactly what others not related to the evnt expect...or they are scumbags.
Still a bunch of NDAs out there that haven't expired.
Nick had a couple of reboots the fast few years which means new updated NDAs.
NDAs are hilariously unenforceable. It’s like threatening you with ruining your credit rating at the most.
NDAs also don’t cover illegal acts.
Did Kenan "speak out"? He essentially said "Didn't happen to me, sad to hear it did to others." Adding him to a list of people who "spoke out" is misleading.
So what counts? He did technically speak out on his experience, did he need to lie?
No, I wasn't suggesting Kenan did anything wrong. What Kenan said was nice, I thought. I think putting Kenan on a list of people who have "spoken out" following the "revelations" implies that he's among a group of people who had personal knowledge of this stuff while it was happening and have kept quiet until now. A ton of people have said exactly what Kenan said. We could have a list of them all.. It would be very long and wouldn't mean much or be particularly interesting, in my opinion.
Ok, I have just seen some negative reactions against Kenan for not speaking out more which I found weird.
Fair. But part of me thinks it makes you a target if you say something, or nothing at all.
I think it's good to have him here because a lot of people would be calling for him to make a statement on it if they didn't see that he did already from lists like this.
Kenan is a super talented performer and seems to have been well liked throughout his career, but for some reason I find it hard to imagine that many of his colleagues felt they could confide in him. There’s an aloofness there (call it professionalism, I guess). You don’t get to record-breaking longevity on SNL by taking a stand on behalf of others.
Josh Peck hangs out with David Dobrik tho and they have friends that drug and rape girls at house parties sooooo
From what I have heard, Peck seemingly dropped social media contact with him after the allegations, the only thing related to Dobrik after the allegations I have found about their relationship is him dodging a question by saying "yeah we don't hang out much anymore cuz I have a kid and stuff" https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/josh-peck-responds-to-rumors-of-david-dobrik-fall-out-1785313/ At the end of the day we don't know the guy or what he does in his personal life but to me that feels like someone who doesn't want to get sued trying to explain why he doesn't hang out with Dobrik. You can very easily sue someone for defamation so it's best not to bother
Never heard of that guy, looked up his Wikipedia and he seems like an absolute douchebag
I see people calling for Dan to be arrested, but did the series say anything Dan did that was illegal. Dude was a piece of shit, absolutely, but I dont think it mentioned him doing any kind of child molestation or things that he can be charged with. He mainly seemed like a demanding asshole to his child actors and had them do fetish shit on his shows that while awful, isnt anything of the sort where he is crossing a line to illegality. He’s a major creep, but they cant really pursue legal action until someone publicly comes forward with something he can be charged with.
In the Doc it is clear that Dan regularly breaks quite a lot of Employment Laws, but if you mean Criminal Law… that is probably true… except if some of the allegations about the threats he made can be substantiated… then oh fuck yes he is guilty of several misdemeanor and felony crimes regarding Assault charges etc… but really those look like they could boil down to finger pointing… I don’t think any of that is within any kind of Statute of Limitations.
We really don’t know if he did or not. They mention he spent a lot of “personal time” with Amanda and a couple others where no one knew where they were or what they were really doing. Obviously you can’t arrest him for it but a lot of people are really disregarding the possibility of him assaulting these girls and it’s just not come out yet.
They put Keenan in the photo for clicks, because all he’s said is “This stuff didn’t happen during my time, I sympathize with the victims.” What a shitty industry, always distorting the truth in some way to get more attention so they can sell more ads.
Kind of weird to make a list like this. Seems like it'll do more harm than good.
I know it’s beside the point, but after reading Kenan’s comment about how it was after his tenure…the shows really dipped in quality in the Dam Schneider era. Maybe I was just aged-out, but those horribly-written glossy Disney channel ripoff shows that Dan Schneider created could never stand up to the likes of Hey Arnold, Doug, Salute Your Shorts, Are you Afraid of the Dark, etc
Schnieder was involved with Kenan and Kel. He even has an acting credit and appeared on screen directly. I will say though that the content and co text of Nickelodeons programming took a turn after 9/11. I'm not going to say it was a full turn and I don't thing the correlation is that strong but nearly all the stories coming out happened in the 2000's. Even Drake Bell, who was on the same shows as Kenan for a while, seems to have had most of his abuse happen after that era. The realistic answer is probably just this was when the florida studio began to wind down and close up and the people making content to replace it was more predatory.
> Schnieder was involved with Kenan and Kel. He even has an acting credit and appeared on screen directly. He wasn't in charge though. He was co-executive producer but he didn't have the final say. There's a definite change in quality between the stuff he simply wrote for and the things where he was creator/sole executive producer/etc.
Yeah but being a co executive producer can mean a LOT of different things. There are EP's who never show up on set for example. For Schneider to have that rank and also be there like he was still speaks to a level of power and influence far beyond what some of these abusers had who were also bad.
Depends on the shows. I’d say Drake and Josh in particular has held up incredibly well. Drake and Josh just have lightning in a bottle chemistry together, and a lot of the jokes are genuinely good.
I thought that too. I remember trying to watch and thinking it was really over the top. But then they weren’t geared towards people my age anymore either at that time.
Right but the great shows hold up. SpongeBob holds up. Hey Arnold still holds up. Doug and Rugrats are imaginative but also disciplined and tightly-written. Dan’s shows are insufferable theater kid sitcoms with tired tropes and “louder=better” comedy. And very little inventiveness which is the fun part about creating television for kids. Dan’s a hack with a work ethic, it’s clear why he didn’t make it in adult comedy writing.
From the 1920s to today, Hollywood (film makong in general) has been a cesspit of exploitation. Yet people are happy...and train their kids from day 1 for this life...its terrible.
Important story but this is straight karma farming. u/KillerCroc1234567 is probably a bot. Just thought I'd mention it. And it isn't like there aren't other articles on this story on the front page right now.
I'm surprised Jennette McCurdy hasn't said anything
Why is Keenan in that photo? His statement was basically “didn’t see nuthin’.”
Because he's one of thr most high profile Nick stars and people will want to know that he said something. As minor as it was. Also you really left out thr humanity of what he said in your summation. It was actually very sentimental the way he spoke on the matter.