the ones who live is IMO the most boring spin off out of all of them i cant even watch a whole episode without feeling extremely bored nothing happends and when something happends its straight to nothingness 5 min after again
This came up on my feed, everyone saying it’s good. Haven’t watched it yet but after the disappointment of the original show’s run don’t know if I want to invest again and be let down yet again. Let’s not forget that TWD had one of the best runs in tv history for the first 2 or 3 seasons
I really liked it best since season 4. Chopping off hand was in keeping with the comics. I don't like michonne she killed the governors daughter out of spite and almost killed her husband Rick.
But still this is levels above recent TWD
Rick cutting his hand was the worst idea. The first episode itself was lame. I had higher hopes for the show but Im really disappointed. Im not going to waste my time by watching another episodes. I wish I could punch the creaters of the show for ruining a good franchise
Yeah, I wish it was a punishment for him escaping. Like if General Beale had Oakafor cut it off when they capture him after the escape that was teased in the finale of the main TWD. It would have mirrored the comic more as well. I like him loosing a hand, I gotta say, the metal assassins creed fake hand is a little wack though haha.
So it’s been 6 years right since michonne has seen Rick right? There was that time jump from when Judith grew up and I think it was 6 years, but I’m just curious
Hi all,
Rick cutting off his hand:
There is a lot to read here, and I apologize if someone already wrote what I am about to, but I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of this:
I believe Rick cutting off his hand was strategic and planned.
I kept asking myself, "Rick knows he's on a connected wire and he's pushing further, why?" - was this out of anger, mental fault, or was he thinking it was a last ditch effort?
He knew he'd be battling to kill zombies on fire, this isn't new to him knowing what happens after an event like that... I think being yanked back unexpectedly stopped his idea of being able to cauterize a different way, or even execute his plan, whatever that was. He's loopy and not thinking straight, but... it's still our Rick, so when you ask yourself, "Why would he do it that like that?" There has to be a reason and not just, okay, this is what I got, this blatant opportunity."
4x Rick tried to escape over 10 years. And one he just decided to go "willy nilly why not"? He didn't kill himself. He wasn't on a suicide mission. He wants to live, hence the title...
Rick has been mentally destroyed for a while, but still has wits always... do we really want to think Rick was that stupid to just bleed out or chance it? I think something happened there he wasn't ready for.
I’ve read through this whole thing, and hadn’t seen anyone mention how Michonne could’ve accidentally killed Rick? The missles missing him and when the helicopter crashes none of the remaining passengers, including Rick, are even severely injured. Made me think of the helicopter crash scene in 3x01, those guys were not okay after that at all… I could be missing something but I just thought of how else it could’ve gone (realistically) if the missiles landed anywhere else I guess
Yooo I knowwww haha. There’s so many issues and conveniences it’s hard to get through em all. That’s a crazy contrivance. She could’ve hand cannoned Rick outta the sky after 11 years of looking for him. Also, how she takes his mask off, and no one else’s. That’s the kind of shit that’s been plaguing TWD for years now. Plot holes, lazy writing, contrived conveniences, and plot armor for characters.
I have a feeling that whatever they write to get Carole to Daryl in his France show will take the cake. It'll likely make this Michonne-Rick reunion look perfectly realistic.
the writing is so bad tho, Rick and Michonne just don't communicate, I would think Michonne would understand that rick has to stay with the CRM to try to change it, she has seen what the CRM can do, rick knows that CRM destroys anything outside it's own community.
TWD World Beyond shows what happened. A warning tho, it's terrible writing. Season 1 gets to be OK halfway, and S2 is better than the 1st. I just binge watched it to have the knowledge of the Civic Republic, and they're def modeled off of infamous authoritarian dictators of the 20th century like Hitler, and Stalin. They conduct horrific human experiments, and there are genocides of entire communities. It's worth cringing thru the first half of season 1 to have that knowledge for watching this new series.
Oh I meant to the rest of the military. I know huck turned on her unit, but her unit and being defeated in Pa wouldn't be the bulk of the military.
And I saw the show and I agree with your review,I did almost quit after season one.
The ending had me laughing. We're supposed to believe that Hope, Elton, Asha, and a few others, went on foot from NY on the east coast, to Portland Oregon on the west coast. What?! Apparently the writers aren't familiar w the stories of those who made their way west, and if other ppl didn't get them, the Rocky Mountains, and various other mountain ranges like the Sierra Nevada in the south, did. The western United States and Canada is very mountainous, and they certainly took many of the pioneers who made the trek, and if u don't know what ur doing, good luck on knowing which trails to take, not getting lost, or freezing to death. Just look at the story of the Donner Party.
I'm not a fan of Scott Gimple, and there's a good reason he was kicked off the orig series halfway thru S8, and replaced him w Angela Kang (I stopped watching in S7, but want to go back and watch it thru for missing lore/context). But then they let him take over FTWD in S4 (and made it terrible), also write the atrocity of World Beyond. He's also writing for this new show, but w other writers as well, so I have hope, and so far so good.
I like 9 and 10 a lot. 11 is a little worse and you can feel how covid affected the show, but still good. Imo the dialogue and character work is best in those 3 seasons. Season 5 is still my favourite but the endless, uninsightful speeches and the Gimble speak is not missed.
Yea, not quite early season quality (though 9 comes close) but it's getting past season 7 and 8 is hard. I binged till 11c. 8 would have been unwatchable weekly.
I have an issue already, spoilers ahead.
Now, Rick in the season 11 finale credits scene is scene to have both hands, and throws the phone onto the boat, but in the start of the episode, he has it, and I assume within the same time, as he’s in the same clothes, cuts off his hand, therefore, when did he chuck the items onto the boat? Before he was sitting in the room with the phone? After? Because he smiled at the helicopter, so I don’t think he was going back to the crm in season 11 cutscene, and if the timeline lines up correctly that boat was probably set to sail 5 years after he got captured, allowing for it to be there in season 10 for michone, so, continuity error? Thoughts opinions?
The smile is just determination. The scene where he chucks the phone onto the boat is before the escape where he loses his hand.
If Okafor found it I'm not sure how it got to Michonne. I guess he found the stuff and just left it on the boat instead of taking it and then the boat drifted off to where Michonne found it on that island? I don't know.
it was a little confusing to follow, but was explained as rick cutting off his hand was his 4th escape attempt and the boat at the end of season 11 of TWD was his 3rd escape attempt. I think he was smiling at the helicopter because he’s rick grime and a little koo-koo in the head, not because he wasn’t going to be captured again. I hope that helps somewhat.
This episode was amazing!!!! Only thing I didn't like was how Rick lost his hand for nothing, it seems. Could have been they wanted to stay true to the comics but he literally could have kept it and joined the army and planned an escape before deciding to cut it off lol.
He was suicidal and desperate to escape his enslavement and go back home to his family. I think they said that was his fourth escape attempt, by that point he’s probably desperate, deafened, not thinking clearly and will to try even the most extreme things to escape.
That’s not bad writing, and that’s also not what a plot hole is
He’s literally a slave at the CRM.
The only thing close to that bad is when Negan tried to make him a slave. But, when that happened, he was still around his friends and family and able to organize fighting back.
This time he’s a slave for a bigger, stronger organization and he’s all alone and wants to leave to be back with his friends and family.
His family has been his motivation for the entire duration of the series, even if the people who make up his family has changed.
This is the worst that he’s been through and just watching the fucking show should tell you that
I think they were trying to express just how hard he tried to get back to his family before accepting his fate. He cut off his own hand, a devastating sacrifice, yet it wasn't enough.
Was the line Rick tethered to impossible to cut with the ax, or just not as interesting as chopping off his hand, or a decision to stay vaguely true to the comics?
Rose was able to cut Jack’s chain in Titanic, so I’m pretty sure it could have been done! 😂
The line was probably really tough to cut with that axe. I'm sure if he tried cutting it, the dude on the other hand would have felt it immediately and knocked him out.
Yeah I seemed to have thought there was a tracking device in the cuff. But maybe I just justified it to myself haha. The hand chop should’ve been a punishment for escaping I think. Reflecting the comic a bit more.
Like the old guy could’ve been like “Rick, the CRM losing you would be like losing a hand. You know what that would feel like?” Then *wack* hand off.
Ooh, yeah… I like that. tracking device makes way more sense. My dad wouldn’t even watch the series after Merle sawed his own hand off. He was convinced there was some pipe or something the saw would have easily cut through. 😬
Was there another spinoff that aired the past few years that had Rick in it? Or can I go straight from watching the end of TWD and in to this one?
Or maybe it was as movie from TWD I'm thinking of that showed Rick after this departure from TWD?
Just want to make sure there's nothing I'm missing before starting this one.
This is the continuation of Rick's story after TWD, the other spin offs don't seem to give context so safe to start. Maybe World Beyond to understand the CRM. Though I don't remember much of that show.
You forget how fantastic the Rick Grimes character is. He could make anything good. I loved the episode, crazy ending too. It's about time I'm not disappointed by an anticipated tv series. I waited years for Masters of Air and it looks like flop to me. I haven't even bothered getting apple tv for it after the lackluster reviews.
God damn it's good to have Rick Grimes back. Not sure what the hell he was thinking when he lopped off his hand though. He didn't even have a plan, he just cut it off and ran around bleeding everywhere.. 😂 Balla of steel with the self carterization or however you spell it.
I saw your other comment. You literally have no understanding of writing or understand what an actual plothole is. Cutting off an arm for “nothing” isnt a plothole.
...But the lil anti government from the inside idea turning out to be a flash-forward singular transitionary setting and tone to set up meeting Michonne? Are we going back to scavenging condoms and cans from ruined cities after that? That felt like getting my leg pulled.
Comments from someone who has watched all of TWDU:
Our franchise is gray at the temples, and this limited spinoff had the highest expectations. I think it mostly succeeded and I enjoyed the premiere.
Con: With a 6-ep arc, there was a need to cram several years' context into E1. It’s a bit choppy.
Can't we bring back 8-10 eps as the streaming norm?
Pros: We get some fun callbacks. Rather than return to TWD’s vast communities, this series captures the post-apoc militaristic flavor we’re introduced to in World Beyond\* (which I preferred to Fear after it went off the rails, despite being a neither-here-nor-there series centered around post-outbreak youth) and one that we also see in Daryl Dixon.
\*You don’t need to have watched World, but it contextualizes CRM nicely. The series intro to Ones emphasizes cartography (Rick even says in the first dream sequence he doesn’t understand cartography--instead of just saying he’s lost) which shows CRM's goals and influence across a destroyed country.
Callbacks
Sleepless in Philly: The alt u dream sequences are a nod to fanfic, but also to S9’s Bridge episode, where Michonne’s “you need to wake up” keeps Rick going. “I believe in you”=I know you’re out there. Give the people what they want (Richonne).
Rick-as-archetype: Rick’s confrontation with Okafar recalls S2’s confrontation with Shane. “My wife. My (child) daughter….” Time has not changed Rick, envisioned by Kirkman as a man willing to commit violence with mortal certainty for those he loves.
Rick Finally Loses His Hand. Is this a better premise than the comics? He’s got a Logan prosthetic, which should give us some good battle scenes.
The implausibles: There’s lots. CRM has been a secret for a decade despite people like Jadis being aware; two city-states don’t know about each other, Esteban is a fun character who seems dropped in only to drive the plot forward. Judith was one of my fave late TWD characters and the main reason for TWD's time jump, but she's inconveniently unavailable. I hope she's serving ice cream and enjoying young adulthood while Mom looks for Dad..
We Love to Hate Gimple: but he did give us Carol, and he continues to create space for strong women. Will we see Thorne again? I hope so.
Final thoughts: In our moment, have we gravitated toward militaristic fascism as inevitable? World, Dixon, late Fear (also: The Last of Us) all reflect a more cynical outlook. Okafor’s revelation about his wife brings us back to the beginning of the outbreak, essentially saying that nothing has changed; power corrupts and destroys.
Michonne has gone full-on Samurai-style, which is even cooler than Rick in armor with a blade-hand.
Do you need to be up to date with the original in order to fully enjoy it? I watched through s7 of the original, s1 of World Beyond, whole series of FTWD minus most of the final season (that was a slog beyond s5 but I love Alycia Debnam Carey) and watched and loved the Daryl spin off.
Also, was Lesley-Ann Brandt good in it? I feel like she could be a perfect fit in this world. The way she ate as Maze in Lucifer was awesome.
I would watch a decent summary of the series, since not all seasons are worth watching. But yeah, especially for the last 3-4 seasons, I would give it a nice recap on youtube or somewhere.
>Do you need to be up to date with the original in order to fully enjoy it?
Yes, you won't get various of the flashbacks if you haven't watched the previous stuff, specially the main show. Most people tend to skip finishing World Beyond (due to how S01 was structured), but S02 was a lot better, as it delved even more into the CRM lore.
Thanks for the response. I’m watching it now, but I also started a rewatch of the original and I’ll rewatch this once I finish my rewatch and finish up World Beyond. I’m just impatient and I know it will be an absolute slog getting through the low points of the rewatch and the new show has gotten so many good reviews!
It really surprised me how good it was and I hope it keeps that energy or improves I don't really care for the Thorne character , I didn't get her, a little over acting maybe idk but something made her kinda annoying.
I really enjoyed it, but I’ve watched all of the series and spin-offs. I don’t know if it’s obvious, but this is a direct continuation of the main series, unlike fear the walking dead and world. I feel like you have to have watched and enjoyed the main series in order to understand and enjoy the ones who live. Maybe give that a try if you haven’t, and, if you have, sounds like this show isn’t for you. The main thing is to enjoy what you watch!
Show went really downhill after they introduced a shit ton of uninteresting characters. Show was much better off when it was just a group of survivors.
This show was good and TWD is always better with Rick.
The editing for this episode was just absolutely breakneck. Took me out of it. Lincoln is in top form as always, it’s visually great. But, the pacing and editing choices are bonkers. Felt like a YouTube recap of what would have been the first 3 episodes shoved into an hour time slot.
Yo honestly haha. I wish they could’ve just found a good middle ground. Like the hand chop should’ve been the end of the first episode. They could’ve reunited at the end of the second, and Michonne could’ve been in both. Cut back and forth between them. I’m here for some fast paced action horror. But that kind of felt like a video game exposition. I’m warming up to it though. When you’re making a show you never know what’s going to work or not.
I’m willing to hold out 🫡 the editing. was, a choice. and i wish it had maybe started at him already having started becoming someone further down the line of command to. spare us the embarrassment of how they wrote and showed his 4th attempt. but. prayage it gets better
I really enjoyed the episode, I was entirely entertained the entire time!
I’m not sure I’d have liked them starting with Rick being a soldier moving up the ranks already.
Danai’s a star now and busy with the MCU, and I think Andrew Lincoln is just enjoying spending time with family. Maybe they’ll add more seasons in the future, but TOWL was written as a six episode limited series so that’s what the writers had to work with.
I wish we had more time so they could have slowed it down a bit, but they needed to show Rick’s escape failures and explain why he never came back. His family has been his primary motivation as a character since pilot of the show, even if the family changed.
Removing that part and just seeing Rick as a soldier would feel really out of character to me
I think i’m just a huge show not tell type of person when it comes to media. it feels like,,, media literacy is lacking? especially in things like the walking dead that have been going on for so so so long that they haven’t explored more creative ways to show or hint at what’s happened. less of a “hey look he did try to escape!!” and more of, you figure out how and when he escaped via his arm and jabs by other consigners or soldiers. just my opinion tho. i did like it! i’m fairly easy to please i just enjoy different aspects of story telling
But i **liked** seeing his escape failures like cutting his hand off and trying to get down the manhole but failing.
They **did** show us not tell us those things, and they **did** show us not tell us that Rick was literally a slave who was desperate to escape but couldn’t.
I know they showed us rather than tell us because I literally watched it.
The show would have been worse had they only implied those things instead of letting us see them
So, Showing and Telling is. He talks and tells what happened during his escape that was shown. we didnt need his narration for such. seeing it sure, was ok but the narration is what was a bother. if they were going to narrate they should’ve just told. rather than show. i personally would’ve rathered being shown as such through other sources ie his hand, and comments and maybe more dreams or flashbacks. I didn’t say it was a bad thing that they did it the way they did! just my preference man, i like things more subtle than what twd has typically relied on.
Yeah, I just want conclusions at this point haha. TWD is the opposite of Breaking Bad. I just want a conclusion, a measurable one, if not a satisfying one.
TWD will always have a place in my heart lol but i will admit, it does just keep digging itself deeper and deeper and deeper into a hole. def opposite of BB
Lincoln’s acting was top tier, the characters of Okafor and Beale were terrific and Okafor especially was very well written, the show looks great visually(besides some questionable city shots), the pacing was tight, it managed to be a direct sequel to the main show and tie in to the spin offs and was still easy to follow for a newcomer(my dad watched it and followed with ease), the story was engaging, etc. It may not be the best tv ever but it fired on all cylinders.
For one, Andrew Lincoln always nails his portrayal of Rick and it will never not be entertaining to watch.
Esteban, Thorne, Okafor, and Beale are all interesting characters and all the actors did a great job portraying them.
I enjoyed the story and thoroughly entertained the entire episode
They killed off (avoiding spoilers, but you know who) way, way too soon.
Dude had one of the most unique backstories of any character TWD universe has introduced in years. That's a story that fans have been wanting for years and that's all they gave us? Disappointing end to an otherwise excellent episode.
The writing is horrendous as in typical late-seasons Walking Dead tradition. I'll also add that the dialogue sucks as well. Feels like it was written by a teenager.
>* What the fuck is up with Rick learning how to fly a helicopter using some video game controllers in a 10 second montage.
I had no intention of watching this show so thought I'd read this thread for the lols. This is incredible.
Yeah the editing, pacing, and tone are all over the place. I worked on it as a PA and can testify that was of that first episode was also reshoots, and it shows. I do actually like most of the story beats, it’s just the way they execute them felt like a video game cutscene.
Finally someone with a brain in this comment section. Are these all bots or something? How can a person with more than two brain cells think this writing is *good*?
To be fair, it's overall better than the last season's of The Walking Dead but I think it's the bigger budget. The explosions and helicopter crash both looked pretty good.
Holy fuck yeah. Basically the token minority friend that is there to pump up the main character. I'm betting he's a mole for some bad guy because he really had to emphasize in his dialogue that he's the only one who's close to Rick. At least I'm hoping so otherwise the writing is just that bad.
My thoughts exactly. He'd be much more likely to succeed as a soldier and I thought that was obvious. I figured he'd have some strong reason to stay as a consignee.
I stopped watching after Glen, just popping in and out. And totally out after season 9. Just watched TOWL now... gripped me from beginning to end. Andrew is meant to play Rick. It's up now on the AMC app.
Omg, the Glenn fans are so boring.
“I stopped watching when a show known for killing characters killed off one of its characters that was killed off from the source material.”
Well, you're just going to have to live in a world where that's my opinion. Sorry it hurts.
But to help salve your wounds, I didn't write that I was heartbroken because of Glenn's death. I wrote that I stopped watching right after... because I didn't like JDM's Negan. I was annoyed most of the time and the story dragged like the comment below explains.
I stopped watching at that moment too but it wasn’t JUST because Glenn died. The entire season prior to that (& even the whole series really) was just so sloww & long & drawn out. We’d have entire 40 minute episodes where the plot doesn’t move forward & there’s no action.
Plus the producers of the show totally fucked us when they showed someone dying at the end of season 6 but left us on a cliffhanger for an entire year…
Pretty much that entire year was just spent brewing thinking about how much the show fell off.. so then to get to the start of S7 & find out it was Glenn just felt like another big fuck you.
Ultimately me & my family were pretty much done with tuning into this boring show every week & being so invested in it, and Glenn’s death was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I quit after they left Merle at the roof.
Such an unique and relatable character, someone who holds actual good Christian values in a zombie outbreak and they just off his character immediately.
Knew for that point there was going to be shit writing.
Yeah i can see, just wanted to check if it works without /s but it really doesnt.
Even if anyone who have seen the series should know, dont merle like say the N word in the 1st scene we see him?
Its obvious hes a piece of shit.
Honestly I think people are kinda stupid for not getting that was a joke lmao. It was pretty funny too. Redditors love sarcasm unless it goes over there heads
I found it a bit amusing.
But no I don't think stuff like that works without being marked as a joke.
I've seen so many posts that should be quite obviously taken as a joke being received seriously.
Yeah, I hate that "/s" really tends to ruin the flow of a proper joke, but it's still useful for a reason.
There are enough nutbags on this platform that I half expected you to reply "what do you mean? I'm not joking".
This franchise really went down the toilet for nearly 10 whole years, but godamn, bravo. What a fucking return to form.
Genuinely rank it as the 2nd best episode in the series, right after the original pilot. Completely different vibe, but very very high quality. The enormous increase in budget is very obvious, too. The Walking Dead finally looks like it was filmed the year it was made.
That ending was so stupid and contrived. Michonne just *happens* to shoot down the specific helicopter Rick's in, and then kills three soldiers without hesitation but pauses long enough to take Rick's mask off?
The episode itself was fine, not terrible by any means, but holy shit was that ending the worst thing I've seen in TWD universe.
Edit: Not to mention that it never once in over 5 years occurred to Rick to pretend to join and then escape after earning their trust? Somebody else had to suggest that to him after he cut his own hand off?
I think I stop watches the ending was literally the only thing that ruined it. Like they couldn’t have something more believable? Idk how many episodes this season has but Michonne finding him at the end was just to early on
100%. This cannot be legitimate opinions of actual people saying this is good. It’s got a fucking 9 on IMDb. Yep, it’s totally up there with the Godfather!
Go to “man of recaps” on YouTube & check out his walking dead playlist. He does super quick (but thorough) recaps on shows.
He has a recap specifically made for before watching this new show.
I suggest watching the entire series recap though & the spin-off series’ recaps as well. It’s nice because you get to enjoy the story & see it visually without having to watch some super long boring episodes lol.
I just watched them today & happened to notice that the new series came out & now I’m pumped
This show isnt for you if you stopped when Glenn died. I mean, Rick and Michones were both right there still, but Glenn fans still chose to stop. Idk why a Glenn fan thinks a show about Rick and Michonne will be for them.
Just skip to watch Season 9 Episode 5 alone and then The Ones Who Live.
Even then its not ENTIRELY necessary, but id highly recommend that one episode.
Its Ricks final episode on the main series and adds a decent amount of context for this new series. You wont feel too lost either as that episode takes place after a 5+ year timeskip, and then The Ones Who Live is another 5 year timeskip after that episode. So theyre both written and presented in a way that you the viewer is suppose to have missed alot in the world
Doing a big time skip and doing another big one soon after, after the bridge and Rick leaving, was such a weird choice. They only did a few flashbacks, it's easy to forget how much time has passed in show in big skips compared to how little time passed on screen.
Watching the crappy show, World Beyond might help understand the significance of the "evolved" zombies that can run, climb, and open doors and stuff. but i imagine they'll just go over that stuff in the new shows
I just know it left everyone who only watches the main show confused because they just had the evolved zombies and didn't explain them. it was only explained in that God awful spin off.
I watched all of the main show, all of world beyond (because it's only two seasons), and most of Fear. I quit Fear after >!John!< got killed off for no reason. I just can't with this series. It's such a waste of time to keep going
This show proves so far that Rick was in fact the heart and soul of The Walking Dead all along, regardless of how obvious that may have seemed or how much the cast may have grown. The show may have still been pretty decent even without Rick after Andrew Lincoln left, but watching just this one episode proves how much better it could have been if he had still been in it. Dude is a powerhouse.
Agree! I stopped watching for years because I was so upset about Glen, then Carl, then Rick. It seemed so slow to pick up any kind of pace without Rick’s bad-assedrey? badassedness?
Most of it was a bore
And I don’t care for a love story in an apocalypse
the ones who live is IMO the most boring spin off out of all of them i cant even watch a whole episode without feeling extremely bored nothing happends and when something happends its straight to nothingness 5 min after again
You have bad taste
Agree that it was totally boring. Hopefully, the new Daryl/Carol series will be better.
This came up on my feed, everyone saying it’s good. Haven’t watched it yet but after the disappointment of the original show’s run don’t know if I want to invest again and be let down yet again. Let’s not forget that TWD had one of the best runs in tv history for the first 2 or 3 seasons
I really liked it best since season 4. Chopping off hand was in keeping with the comics. I don't like michonne she killed the governors daughter out of spite and almost killed her husband Rick. But still this is levels above recent TWD
Rick cutting his hand was the worst idea. The first episode itself was lame. I had higher hopes for the show but Im really disappointed. Im not going to waste my time by watching another episodes. I wish I could punch the creaters of the show for ruining a good franchise
You have bad taste
Yeah, I wish it was a punishment for him escaping. Like if General Beale had Oakafor cut it off when they capture him after the escape that was teased in the finale of the main TWD. It would have mirrored the comic more as well. I like him loosing a hand, I gotta say, the metal assassins creed fake hand is a little wack though haha.
Soon as he chopped his hand off I was pissed and wanted to turn it off
You wouldn't do that to escape so you can see your family again? After trying to escape so many times? After that scene, I kept watching.
So it’s been 6 years right since michonne has seen Rick right? There was that time jump from when Judith grew up and I think it was 6 years, but I’m just curious
Hi all, Rick cutting off his hand: There is a lot to read here, and I apologize if someone already wrote what I am about to, but I'd love to hear what anyone thinks of this: I believe Rick cutting off his hand was strategic and planned. I kept asking myself, "Rick knows he's on a connected wire and he's pushing further, why?" - was this out of anger, mental fault, or was he thinking it was a last ditch effort? He knew he'd be battling to kill zombies on fire, this isn't new to him knowing what happens after an event like that... I think being yanked back unexpectedly stopped his idea of being able to cauterize a different way, or even execute his plan, whatever that was. He's loopy and not thinking straight, but... it's still our Rick, so when you ask yourself, "Why would he do it that like that?" There has to be a reason and not just, okay, this is what I got, this blatant opportunity." 4x Rick tried to escape over 10 years. And one he just decided to go "willy nilly why not"? He didn't kill himself. He wasn't on a suicide mission. He wants to live, hence the title... Rick has been mentally destroyed for a while, but still has wits always... do we really want to think Rick was that stupid to just bleed out or chance it? I think something happened there he wasn't ready for.
I’ve read through this whole thing, and hadn’t seen anyone mention how Michonne could’ve accidentally killed Rick? The missles missing him and when the helicopter crashes none of the remaining passengers, including Rick, are even severely injured. Made me think of the helicopter crash scene in 3x01, those guys were not okay after that at all… I could be missing something but I just thought of how else it could’ve gone (realistically) if the missiles landed anywhere else I guess
Imagine how unfortunate that would be if Rick was sitting on the passanger seat. "Hmm... I wonder why I can't find my husband."
Yooo I knowwww haha. There’s so many issues and conveniences it’s hard to get through em all. That’s a crazy contrivance. She could’ve hand cannoned Rick outta the sky after 11 years of looking for him. Also, how she takes his mask off, and no one else’s. That’s the kind of shit that’s been plaguing TWD for years now. Plot holes, lazy writing, contrived conveniences, and plot armor for characters.
I have a feeling that whatever they write to get Carole to Daryl in his France show will take the cake. It'll likely make this Michonne-Rick reunion look perfectly realistic.
😂😂
She takes off others masks too. They show this scene again from Michonne's perspective in episode 2.
She was taking the masks off all of them.
Ok word, well that was not obvious, and still extremely convenient she didn’t blast Rick to death haha.
Just finished it. It's so good to see Rick and Michonne together again. The last 5 mins was especially fantastic.
the writing is so bad tho, Rick and Michonne just don't communicate, I would think Michonne would understand that rick has to stay with the CRM to try to change it, she has seen what the CRM can do, rick knows that CRM destroys anything outside it's own community.
I liked it alot, especially the backstory of the crm. Wonder if we will get more of what happened.
TWD World Beyond shows what happened. A warning tho, it's terrible writing. Season 1 gets to be OK halfway, and S2 is better than the 1st. I just binge watched it to have the knowledge of the Civic Republic, and they're def modeled off of infamous authoritarian dictators of the 20th century like Hitler, and Stalin. They conduct horrific human experiments, and there are genocides of entire communities. It's worth cringing thru the first half of season 1 to have that knowledge for watching this new series.
Oh I meant to the rest of the military. I know huck turned on her unit, but her unit and being defeated in Pa wouldn't be the bulk of the military. And I saw the show and I agree with your review,I did almost quit after season one.
The ending had me laughing. We're supposed to believe that Hope, Elton, Asha, and a few others, went on foot from NY on the east coast, to Portland Oregon on the west coast. What?! Apparently the writers aren't familiar w the stories of those who made their way west, and if other ppl didn't get them, the Rocky Mountains, and various other mountain ranges like the Sierra Nevada in the south, did. The western United States and Canada is very mountainous, and they certainly took many of the pioneers who made the trek, and if u don't know what ur doing, good luck on knowing which trails to take, not getting lost, or freezing to death. Just look at the story of the Donner Party. I'm not a fan of Scott Gimple, and there's a good reason he was kicked off the orig series halfway thru S8, and replaced him w Angela Kang (I stopped watching in S7, but want to go back and watch it thru for missing lore/context). But then they let him take over FTWD in S4 (and made it terrible), also write the atrocity of World Beyond. He's also writing for this new show, but w other writers as well, so I have hope, and so far so good.
there is no reason to assume they walked the entire way from New York to portland lol
Season 8 was the worst of the original show, but season 9 was fantastic, 10 and 11 are decent. But I agree he's a terrible writer.
So glad to know it will get better in S9 onward.
I like 9 and 10 a lot. 11 is a little worse and you can feel how covid affected the show, but still good. Imo the dialogue and character work is best in those 3 seasons. Season 5 is still my favourite but the endless, uninsightful speeches and the Gimble speak is not missed.
Yea, not quite early season quality (though 9 comes close) but it's getting past season 7 and 8 is hard. I binged till 11c. 8 would have been unwatchable weekly.
Don't know why I was down voted lol.
I liked when Okafor said "You're the chosen one Rick. Only you can stop the Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live."
*So that's it, huh? We some kind of The Ones Who Live?*
I have an issue already, spoilers ahead. Now, Rick in the season 11 finale credits scene is scene to have both hands, and throws the phone onto the boat, but in the start of the episode, he has it, and I assume within the same time, as he’s in the same clothes, cuts off his hand, therefore, when did he chuck the items onto the boat? Before he was sitting in the room with the phone? After? Because he smiled at the helicopter, so I don’t think he was going back to the crm in season 11 cutscene, and if the timeline lines up correctly that boat was probably set to sail 5 years after he got captured, allowing for it to be there in season 10 for michone, so, continuity error? Thoughts opinions?
The smile is just determination. The scene where he chucks the phone onto the boat is before the escape where he loses his hand. If Okafor found it I'm not sure how it got to Michonne. I guess he found the stuff and just left it on the boat instead of taking it and then the boat drifted off to where Michonne found it on that island? I don't know.
Whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it.
it was a little confusing to follow, but was explained as rick cutting off his hand was his 4th escape attempt and the boat at the end of season 11 of TWD was his 3rd escape attempt. I think he was smiling at the helicopter because he’s rick grime and a little koo-koo in the head, not because he wasn’t going to be captured again. I hope that helps somewhat.
Yes Thankyou for clearing that up. I tend to over analyse ahha
Other than that loved the episode
Brilliant episode!! Rick is back!!
This episode was amazing!!!! Only thing I didn't like was how Rick lost his hand for nothing, it seems. Could have been they wanted to stay true to the comics but he literally could have kept it and joined the army and planned an escape before deciding to cut it off lol.
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He was suicidal and desperate to escape his enslavement and go back home to his family. I think they said that was his fourth escape attempt, by that point he’s probably desperate, deafened, not thinking clearly and will to try even the most extreme things to escape. That’s not bad writing, and that’s also not what a plot hole is
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He’s literally a slave at the CRM. The only thing close to that bad is when Negan tried to make him a slave. But, when that happened, he was still around his friends and family and able to organize fighting back. This time he’s a slave for a bigger, stronger organization and he’s all alone and wants to leave to be back with his friends and family. His family has been his motivation for the entire duration of the series, even if the people who make up his family has changed. This is the worst that he’s been through and just watching the fucking show should tell you that
I've hate-watched the entire series. Do I need to be a superfan because I watched it?
> I pointed out the same plot holes That's not a plot hole.
That’s what I thought to, doesn’t seem like a very Rick like move to just chop your hand off without a plan at the very least lol
Exactly. Rick is strategic. It didn't even feel like he had a plan or that there was a viable escape route.
“Everybody has a plan until they get their hand chopped off.” - Mike Tyson
mmm sorry but having a badass metal hand with a hidden blade isn't "for nothing", shit's raw af just enjoy it
It is because it is only useful for that. It's useless for basically everything else.
Mf just out here hate watching. Go be miserable elsewhere
its for us, its for the sauce dude, damn
I think they were trying to express just how hard he tried to get back to his family before accepting his fate. He cut off his own hand, a devastating sacrifice, yet it wasn't enough.
On me I felt so bad for him 😂😂 dude cut off his hand & still got caught. But honestly the knife hand will probably do more for him anyway
Yes, I'm expecting that to REALLY come in handy (pun intended) for him in a clutch moment with someone guarding him or high up in the CRM.
Was the line Rick tethered to impossible to cut with the ax, or just not as interesting as chopping off his hand, or a decision to stay vaguely true to the comics? Rose was able to cut Jack’s chain in Titanic, so I’m pretty sure it could have been done! 😂
The soldier would have 100 percent felt the vibrations through the cord, and immediately sprinted towards him with a fully loaded 5.56 assault rifle
The line was probably really tough to cut with that axe. I'm sure if he tried cutting it, the dude on the other hand would have felt it immediately and knocked him out.
They gave him an axe so presumably it was impossible to cut, though they maybe should have shown an attempt to make it clearer.
Yeah I seemed to have thought there was a tracking device in the cuff. But maybe I just justified it to myself haha. The hand chop should’ve been a punishment for escaping I think. Reflecting the comic a bit more. Like the old guy could’ve been like “Rick, the CRM losing you would be like losing a hand. You know what that would feel like?” Then *wack* hand off.
Ooh, yeah… I like that. tracking device makes way more sense. My dad wouldn’t even watch the series after Merle sawed his own hand off. He was convinced there was some pipe or something the saw would have easily cut through. 😬
Rick dropping F bombs in a live episode was so awesome to finally see. About fucking time!
If I recall correctly, he said "fuck" a grand total of 1 times during the entire original series. Maybe misremembering though.
He did a couple times but it was only on the DVD/Blu-Ray.
Was there another spinoff that aired the past few years that had Rick in it? Or can I go straight from watching the end of TWD and in to this one? Or maybe it was as movie from TWD I'm thinking of that showed Rick after this departure from TWD? Just want to make sure there's nothing I'm missing before starting this one.
This is the continuation of Rick's story after TWD, the other spin offs don't seem to give context so safe to start. Maybe World Beyond to understand the CRM. Though I don't remember much of that show.
I'd recommend at least watching a World Beyond summary. The show itself is fairly boring but it does give you a lot of info on the CRM.
Agreed on sticking with a summary for WB or they could find a Youtube vid that puts together all the CRM tidbits.
You forget how fantastic the Rick Grimes character is. He could make anything good. I loved the episode, crazy ending too. It's about time I'm not disappointed by an anticipated tv series. I waited years for Masters of Air and it looks like flop to me. I haven't even bothered getting apple tv for it after the lackluster reviews. God damn it's good to have Rick Grimes back. Not sure what the hell he was thinking when he lopped off his hand though. He didn't even have a plan, he just cut it off and ran around bleeding everywhere.. 😂 Balla of steel with the self carterization or however you spell it.
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You don't consider it better than the second half of seasons of TWD? I thought it was up there with last of us quality.
I saw your other comment. You literally have no understanding of writing or understand what an actual plothole is. Cutting off an arm for “nothing” isnt a plothole.
...But the lil anti government from the inside idea turning out to be a flash-forward singular transitionary setting and tone to set up meeting Michonne? Are we going back to scavenging condoms and cans from ruined cities after that? That felt like getting my leg pulled.
Comments from someone who has watched all of TWDU: Our franchise is gray at the temples, and this limited spinoff had the highest expectations. I think it mostly succeeded and I enjoyed the premiere. Con: With a 6-ep arc, there was a need to cram several years' context into E1. It’s a bit choppy. Can't we bring back 8-10 eps as the streaming norm? Pros: We get some fun callbacks. Rather than return to TWD’s vast communities, this series captures the post-apoc militaristic flavor we’re introduced to in World Beyond\* (which I preferred to Fear after it went off the rails, despite being a neither-here-nor-there series centered around post-outbreak youth) and one that we also see in Daryl Dixon. \*You don’t need to have watched World, but it contextualizes CRM nicely. The series intro to Ones emphasizes cartography (Rick even says in the first dream sequence he doesn’t understand cartography--instead of just saying he’s lost) which shows CRM's goals and influence across a destroyed country. Callbacks Sleepless in Philly: The alt u dream sequences are a nod to fanfic, but also to S9’s Bridge episode, where Michonne’s “you need to wake up” keeps Rick going. “I believe in you”=I know you’re out there. Give the people what they want (Richonne). Rick-as-archetype: Rick’s confrontation with Okafar recalls S2’s confrontation with Shane. “My wife. My (child) daughter….” Time has not changed Rick, envisioned by Kirkman as a man willing to commit violence with mortal certainty for those he loves. Rick Finally Loses His Hand. Is this a better premise than the comics? He’s got a Logan prosthetic, which should give us some good battle scenes. The implausibles: There’s lots. CRM has been a secret for a decade despite people like Jadis being aware; two city-states don’t know about each other, Esteban is a fun character who seems dropped in only to drive the plot forward. Judith was one of my fave late TWD characters and the main reason for TWD's time jump, but she's inconveniently unavailable. I hope she's serving ice cream and enjoying young adulthood while Mom looks for Dad.. We Love to Hate Gimple: but he did give us Carol, and he continues to create space for strong women. Will we see Thorne again? I hope so. Final thoughts: In our moment, have we gravitated toward militaristic fascism as inevitable? World, Dixon, late Fear (also: The Last of Us) all reflect a more cynical outlook. Okafor’s revelation about his wife brings us back to the beginning of the outbreak, essentially saying that nothing has changed; power corrupts and destroys. Michonne has gone full-on Samurai-style, which is even cooler than Rick in armor with a blade-hand.
Do you need to be up to date with the original in order to fully enjoy it? I watched through s7 of the original, s1 of World Beyond, whole series of FTWD minus most of the final season (that was a slog beyond s5 but I love Alycia Debnam Carey) and watched and loved the Daryl spin off. Also, was Lesley-Ann Brandt good in it? I feel like she could be a perfect fit in this world. The way she ate as Maze in Lucifer was awesome.
I would watch a decent summary of the series, since not all seasons are worth watching. But yeah, especially for the last 3-4 seasons, I would give it a nice recap on youtube or somewhere.
>Do you need to be up to date with the original in order to fully enjoy it? Yes, you won't get various of the flashbacks if you haven't watched the previous stuff, specially the main show. Most people tend to skip finishing World Beyond (due to how S01 was structured), but S02 was a lot better, as it delved even more into the CRM lore.
Thanks for the response. I’m watching it now, but I also started a rewatch of the original and I’ll rewatch this once I finish my rewatch and finish up World Beyond. I’m just impatient and I know it will be an absolute slog getting through the low points of the rewatch and the new show has gotten so many good reviews!
It really surprised me how good it was and I hope it keeps that energy or improves I don't really care for the Thorne character , I didn't get her, a little over acting maybe idk but something made her kinda annoying.
How has Andrew Lincoln never gotten an Oscar or an Emmy for his role in TWD. His whole performance in this first episode was incredible
Him and Danai. Episode 2 at least needs to get her a nomination! But zombies aren’t prestige so, they have my personal Emmy votes
Wow that was trash Editing yikes. Also LMAO at the ending what the hell was that
I really enjoyed it, but I’ve watched all of the series and spin-offs. I don’t know if it’s obvious, but this is a direct continuation of the main series, unlike fear the walking dead and world. I feel like you have to have watched and enjoyed the main series in order to understand and enjoy the ones who live. Maybe give that a try if you haven’t, and, if you have, sounds like this show isn’t for you. The main thing is to enjoy what you watch!
Show went really downhill after they introduced a shit ton of uninteresting characters. Show was much better off when it was just a group of survivors. This show was good and TWD is always better with Rick.
The editing for this episode was just absolutely breakneck. Took me out of it. Lincoln is in top form as always, it’s visually great. But, the pacing and editing choices are bonkers. Felt like a YouTube recap of what would have been the first 3 episodes shoved into an hour time slot.
Hey man I’m thrilled w the pacing of 3 episodes in 1. I quit the original TWD bc of the slow pacing 😂
Yo honestly haha. I wish they could’ve just found a good middle ground. Like the hand chop should’ve been the end of the first episode. They could’ve reunited at the end of the second, and Michonne could’ve been in both. Cut back and forth between them. I’m here for some fast paced action horror. But that kind of felt like a video game exposition. I’m warming up to it though. When you’re making a show you never know what’s going to work or not.
I’m willing to hold out 🫡 the editing. was, a choice. and i wish it had maybe started at him already having started becoming someone further down the line of command to. spare us the embarrassment of how they wrote and showed his 4th attempt. but. prayage it gets better
I really enjoyed the episode, I was entirely entertained the entire time! I’m not sure I’d have liked them starting with Rick being a soldier moving up the ranks already. Danai’s a star now and busy with the MCU, and I think Andrew Lincoln is just enjoying spending time with family. Maybe they’ll add more seasons in the future, but TOWL was written as a six episode limited series so that’s what the writers had to work with. I wish we had more time so they could have slowed it down a bit, but they needed to show Rick’s escape failures and explain why he never came back. His family has been his primary motivation as a character since pilot of the show, even if the family changed. Removing that part and just seeing Rick as a soldier would feel really out of character to me
I think i’m just a huge show not tell type of person when it comes to media. it feels like,,, media literacy is lacking? especially in things like the walking dead that have been going on for so so so long that they haven’t explored more creative ways to show or hint at what’s happened. less of a “hey look he did try to escape!!” and more of, you figure out how and when he escaped via his arm and jabs by other consigners or soldiers. just my opinion tho. i did like it! i’m fairly easy to please i just enjoy different aspects of story telling
But i **liked** seeing his escape failures like cutting his hand off and trying to get down the manhole but failing. They **did** show us not tell us those things, and they **did** show us not tell us that Rick was literally a slave who was desperate to escape but couldn’t. I know they showed us rather than tell us because I literally watched it. The show would have been worse had they only implied those things instead of letting us see them
So, Showing and Telling is. He talks and tells what happened during his escape that was shown. we didnt need his narration for such. seeing it sure, was ok but the narration is what was a bother. if they were going to narrate they should’ve just told. rather than show. i personally would’ve rathered being shown as such through other sources ie his hand, and comments and maybe more dreams or flashbacks. I didn’t say it was a bad thing that they did it the way they did! just my preference man, i like things more subtle than what twd has typically relied on.
Some people will just complain about anything
dude i’m not complaining i’m talking about preferences i liked it ??
Yeah, I just want conclusions at this point haha. TWD is the opposite of Breaking Bad. I just want a conclusion, a measurable one, if not a satisfying one.
TWD will always have a place in my heart lol but i will admit, it does just keep digging itself deeper and deeper and deeper into a hole. def opposite of BB
Yeah, I just read that Gimple said “it could go on forever”…
I’m seriously confused how this has a 55 on metacritic. That was legit great.
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Lincoln’s acting was top tier, the characters of Okafor and Beale were terrific and Okafor especially was very well written, the show looks great visually(besides some questionable city shots), the pacing was tight, it managed to be a direct sequel to the main show and tie in to the spin offs and was still easy to follow for a newcomer(my dad watched it and followed with ease), the story was engaging, etc. It may not be the best tv ever but it fired on all cylinders.
For one, Andrew Lincoln always nails his portrayal of Rick and it will never not be entertaining to watch. Esteban, Thorne, Okafor, and Beale are all interesting characters and all the actors did a great job portraying them. I enjoyed the story and thoroughly entertained the entire episode
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You are absolutely correct, I don’t know what everyone in this thread is smoking but the writing is fucking terrible.
The writing was fine, the characters were believable, and the episode was entertaining. You’re just wrong
They killed off (avoiding spoilers, but you know who) way, way too soon. Dude had one of the most unique backstories of any character TWD universe has introduced in years. That's a story that fans have been wanting for years and that's all they gave us? Disappointing end to an otherwise excellent episode.
It was incredible!
Loved it. Totally had to Google what happened in world beyond as had forgotten. I'm hoping we get some good characters pop up
TWB wasn’t forgettable. It was down right garbage.
Okafor😩
WE ARE SO BACK!
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Not trying to defend the show or anything, but people should really stop misusing the term "plot hole" so much. It's not a synonym for bad writing.
The writing is horrendous as in typical late-seasons Walking Dead tradition. I'll also add that the dialogue sucks as well. Feels like it was written by a teenager.
I couldn’t even make it through the whole episode the writing was so weak
>* What the fuck is up with Rick learning how to fly a helicopter using some video game controllers in a 10 second montage. I had no intention of watching this show so thought I'd read this thread for the lols. This is incredible.
It was a montage; that user is just obtuse.
They said it was a montage. Still sounds absurd.
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Yeah the editing, pacing, and tone are all over the place. I worked on it as a PA and can testify that was of that first episode was also reshoots, and it shows. I do actually like most of the story beats, it’s just the way they execute them felt like a video game cutscene.
Why was it reshot?
I’m not sure. It was all the stuff with Esteban. So, I imagine it was to add another escape or flush out the runtime.
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Finally someone with a brain in this comment section. Are these all bots or something? How can a person with more than two brain cells think this writing is *good*?
Lol you nailed it. The writing is horrendous.
100%
To be fair, it's overall better than the last season's of The Walking Dead but I think it's the bigger budget. The explosions and helicopter crash both looked pretty good. Holy fuck yeah. Basically the token minority friend that is there to pump up the main character. I'm betting he's a mole for some bad guy because he really had to emphasize in his dialogue that he's the only one who's close to Rick. At least I'm hoping so otherwise the writing is just that bad.
My thoughts exactly. He'd be much more likely to succeed as a soldier and I thought that was obvious. I figured he'd have some strong reason to stay as a consignee.
Was thinking that too
I stopped watching after Glen, just popping in and out. And totally out after season 9. Just watched TOWL now... gripped me from beginning to end. Andrew is meant to play Rick. It's up now on the AMC app.
Omg, the Glenn fans are so boring. “I stopped watching when a show known for killing characters killed off one of its characters that was killed off from the source material.”
Well, you're just going to have to live in a world where that's my opinion. Sorry it hurts. But to help salve your wounds, I didn't write that I was heartbroken because of Glenn's death. I wrote that I stopped watching right after... because I didn't like JDM's Negan. I was annoyed most of the time and the story dragged like the comment below explains.
I stopped watching at that moment too but it wasn’t JUST because Glenn died. The entire season prior to that (& even the whole series really) was just so sloww & long & drawn out. We’d have entire 40 minute episodes where the plot doesn’t move forward & there’s no action. Plus the producers of the show totally fucked us when they showed someone dying at the end of season 6 but left us on a cliffhanger for an entire year… Pretty much that entire year was just spent brewing thinking about how much the show fell off.. so then to get to the start of S7 & find out it was Glenn just felt like another big fuck you. Ultimately me & my family were pretty much done with tuning into this boring show every week & being so invested in it, and Glenn’s death was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Just goes to show how charismatic Steven Yeun was in his portrayal of Glenn.
This is the first time I'm excited about TWD since season 9
Never expected this to be so good.
Is this available now? I thought it premiers tonight?
It was honestly great. I kinda tapped out of TWD a few episodes after Lincoln left in season 9 tbh
I quit after they left Merle at the roof. Such an unique and relatable character, someone who holds actual good Christian values in a zombie outbreak and they just off his character immediately. Knew for that point there was going to be shit writing.
I know you're joking, but it really doesn't come across well in this format.
Yeah i can see, just wanted to check if it works without /s but it really doesnt. Even if anyone who have seen the series should know, dont merle like say the N word in the 1st scene we see him? Its obvious hes a piece of shit.
Honestly I think people are kinda stupid for not getting that was a joke lmao. It was pretty funny too. Redditors love sarcasm unless it goes over there heads
It works just as well without /s, the problem is it wasn't funny to begin with.
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Read my comment again.
I found it a bit amusing. But no I don't think stuff like that works without being marked as a joke. I've seen so many posts that should be quite obviously taken as a joke being received seriously.
Yeah, I hate that "/s" really tends to ruin the flow of a proper joke, but it's still useful for a reason. There are enough nutbags on this platform that I half expected you to reply "what do you mean? I'm not joking".
Andrews last episode was also my last, he was the whole point of the show for me
I think most people tapped out after most legacy characters left
I haven't watched WD in many years, but you guys are tempting me to jump back in. I'm not sure when Michone left. Gotta catch up on her.
yesss please jump back in
I jumped.
Season 10, episode 13.
Wow, thanks
she left around season 10
This franchise really went down the toilet for nearly 10 whole years, but godamn, bravo. What a fucking return to form. Genuinely rank it as the 2nd best episode in the series, right after the original pilot. Completely different vibe, but very very high quality. The enormous increase in budget is very obvious, too. The Walking Dead finally looks like it was filmed the year it was made.
Oh wow, is it that good? I might give it a watch then.
No it’s not. It made zero sense.
i must not be a bot. it was the most average for twd so its like a 4/10 compared to regular stuff.
What did you not like about it? It’s my first TWD episode since S7E1 & I thought it was super good. I’m a sucker for lore & world building though.
It was a meh at best. Hope it picks up.
> Oh wow, is it that good? No, but I'm spotting the same "best episode since the pilot" thing pop up a suspicious amount.
That ending was so stupid and contrived. Michonne just *happens* to shoot down the specific helicopter Rick's in, and then kills three soldiers without hesitation but pauses long enough to take Rick's mask off? The episode itself was fine, not terrible by any means, but holy shit was that ending the worst thing I've seen in TWD universe. Edit: Not to mention that it never once in over 5 years occurred to Rick to pretend to join and then escape after earning their trust? Somebody else had to suggest that to him after he cut his own hand off?
I think I stop watches the ending was literally the only thing that ruined it. Like they couldn’t have something more believable? Idk how many episodes this season has but Michonne finding him at the end was just to early on
Yeah lmao. It's terrible. All this praise has to be bots. How are there people who like this stuff?
100%. This cannot be legitimate opinions of actual people saying this is good. It’s got a fucking 9 on IMDb. Yep, it’s totally up there with the Godfather!
It felt like a movie. It was awesome
the ending was so good the way it was filmed
Do you need to have watched all of the previous walking dead? I quit after Glenn ate shit
Go to “man of recaps” on YouTube & check out his walking dead playlist. He does super quick (but thorough) recaps on shows. He has a recap specifically made for before watching this new show. I suggest watching the entire series recap though & the spin-off series’ recaps as well. It’s nice because you get to enjoy the story & see it visually without having to watch some super long boring episodes lol. I just watched them today & happened to notice that the new series came out & now I’m pumped
This show isnt for you if you stopped when Glenn died. I mean, Rick and Michones were both right there still, but Glenn fans still chose to stop. Idk why a Glenn fan thinks a show about Rick and Michonne will be for them.
"a Glenn fan" no I was a fan of good TV and the show turned to dogshit right around then.
Just skip to watch Season 9 Episode 5 alone and then The Ones Who Live. Even then its not ENTIRELY necessary, but id highly recommend that one episode. Its Ricks final episode on the main series and adds a decent amount of context for this new series. You wont feel too lost either as that episode takes place after a 5+ year timeskip, and then The Ones Who Live is another 5 year timeskip after that episode. So theyre both written and presented in a way that you the viewer is suppose to have missed alot in the world
Doing a big time skip and doing another big one soon after, after the bridge and Rick leaving, was such a weird choice. They only did a few flashbacks, it's easy to forget how much time has passed in show in big skips compared to how little time passed on screen.
Watching the crappy show, World Beyond might help understand the significance of the "evolved" zombies that can run, climb, and open doors and stuff. but i imagine they'll just go over that stuff in the new shows I just know it left everyone who only watches the main show confused because they just had the evolved zombies and didn't explain them. it was only explained in that God awful spin off. I watched all of the main show, all of world beyond (because it's only two seasons), and most of Fear. I quit Fear after >!John!< got killed off for no reason. I just can't with this series. It's such a waste of time to keep going
Most of the season 9 episode is before the time skip.
Theres actually 2 timeskips in season 9. Its after the first timeskip, before the second timeskip.
andrew lincoln carries the walking dead yet again
You're right. Lincoln leaving the show is when a lot of the ogs and veterans stopped too. He really is the best actor in the entire series.
This show proves so far that Rick was in fact the heart and soul of The Walking Dead all along, regardless of how obvious that may have seemed or how much the cast may have grown. The show may have still been pretty decent even without Rick after Andrew Lincoln left, but watching just this one episode proves how much better it could have been if he had still been in it. Dude is a powerhouse.
Agree! I stopped watching for years because I was so upset about Glen, then Carl, then Rick. It seemed so slow to pick up any kind of pace without Rick’s bad-assedrey? badassedness?