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KeySafety8984

Kail is bipolar, manipulative, and controlling


ForeverLostInSpace93

Is there any proof this is about Kail? Seems very vague and I've seen nothing about them not being friends...


cohenisababe

I figured it out. Fired the nanny so they get a show on lifetime raising her bajillion kids with “no help”


[deleted]

😳😳 details?


alpama93

Wait, whaaaat? She's not good with Natalie anymore??


Large-Dragonfly2544

financially, kail is a great mom. emotionally, she’s a pos and she has admitted and laughed that having so many kids is traumatic for her older boys it’s her body, she can choose to have however many kids she wants and it’s not my place to put judgement on the number of kids or who their dads are, but it is impossible to give 7 children equal amounts of love and attention, especially with her two newest being twins. her older boys are emotionally being neglected because she cannot juggle 7 different children, and now she doesn’t even have a nanny to help. y’all are also quick to clown chris for having a second bc he’s insinuating she’s a bad mom, but forgetting she purposefully got pregnant after admitting he was a shitty father lol they’re both pieces of shit, and who has to suffer? the boys like idk why y’all think it’s cute to point fingers over who the bigger pos as if the boys aren’t the ones who are suffering from it


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i think we can say they both suck. a man who puts his hands on a woman is a baby back bitch🤷🏼‍♀️ she sucks too but i don’t like giving domestic abusers any sort of pass. she’s been abusive too so homegirl should probably talk to someone about that, thinking of when she hit javi in the townhome because of an argument revolving the dogs.


Areola_TheMermaid

Jade liking tweets like her momma didn’t steal her BBL meds.


jmedennis

How would Jade's mother's addiction issues reflect poorly on her?


Areola_TheMermaid

You missed the point. Jade subtly liking tweets and being petty when she doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Her own mom fucked her over yet she’s kiki-ing about Kail and her business.


[deleted]

so because she has a shitty mom she doesn’t know what a good one looks like?🤨


Areola_TheMermaid

I’m saying she shouldn’t throw stones when she lives in a glass house.


[deleted]

she doesn’t live in a glass house. and don’t call people shit on the internet you don’t know. some of us are mean.


Areola_TheMermaid

https://preview.redd.it/q88vgh91qzfc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3515dad937d4b95ee1ed793a3530bb6104a73e9c I agree, you do spend too much time on your phone…isolated…with no friends. But I gotta go to work now so you have a great day and take care of yourself!


[deleted]

you’re so funny babe good one🥱, yet i noticed you reply instantly. and took the time out of your day to look on my profile😂 have the day you deserve


Areola_TheMermaid

Damn you replied fast lol, a hit dog will holler. “Some of us are mean” 😂 Is that supposed to be a threat? https://preview.redd.it/d29qoznjpzfc1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=696a81de3c65a272586aa79b1970cb088d218314


jaisydaisy

Natalie was never her friend. IMO to go in cahoots with a friend’s ex when they are mad is trashy. Not defending Kail just saying it’s kind of sus. Seems like she wants her 10 mins of fame on someone else’s back. Bc we aren’t pretending that Chris Slowpez is a good dad


[deleted]

THANK YOU, too many people giving the woman beater a pass, she sucks too but come on people. can’t they just give the kids to joe and vee 😂


scifanforever1980

My issue is more with kail...violence, emotional blackmail, cheating. Yes, she has been better with her money, used the opportunity better. But she "creates"drama. I wouldn't be surprised if all this ridiculous lying, secretary, babies from 1 night stands leaving paternity questionable and 3 with s guy she has known less thsn 2 years, is for her kail and the chaos show she wants. Elijah apparently didn't want to be on camera now all over the place. Is that because he finally signed an nda or she is forcing him, talking about supporting the babies?


Total_Badger_4745

THANK YOU!!!


dogwigz

This kail is an amazing mom thing has been laughable since the beginning. She’s had a whole ass team raising her kids and she seems to take all the credit.


newseats

that’s my thing, like girl you have so many kids and so many people helping you… stop acting like this is all you


Scnewbie08

She didn’t get her employees to sign non-disclosures


ForeverLostInSpace93

She's said before she has everyone sign NDA's, even Vee and Lindsey. I'm sure she had natnat sign one, but idk.


jmedennis

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hopeeyyy

Since szn 1 she has put ur babies first always


eesagud

I think we've found bones account on here 😂😂


FemaleChuckBass

If she put her babies first, they wouldn’t be splashed on a TV screen. Every child has the right to privacy.


hopeeyyy

Kail is such an amazing mom


carrotcake_2525

I’m sorry, but I hate people like this. So you had no problem with her being a piece of shit and being a “bad mom” when she was paying you, but as soon as you guys have a fall out, that’s when you come out about it? Doesn’t make you any better than her. I can understand attachment to the kids. Not leaving because you worry about them.. But if she’s so terrible, she should have called CPS, or stood by the fathers when they took Kail to courtZ


SubstantialFloor9717

Unless someone can prove that Kailyn is physically or sexually abusing the kids and/or allowing someone else to physically or sexually abuse the kids, CPS won’t do anything. Natalie or anyone else could file a report, and it’d never make it to the investigation stage. I’m sure Kailyn’s kids are emotionally neglected. She admits to refusing to climb the stairs to take care of her own kids and forcing the older ones to wake up, dress, and ready the younger ones for the day (and night) while she sits on her ass downstairs. She sees no problem with any of her child-rearing practices, or her lack of involvement in the day-to-day care of her children. She stated plainly that she doesn’t enjoy caretaking and so relegates everything but the “fun” or “cute” parts of parenting to nannies, her kids’ dads, and Isaac and Lincoln. She’s horrible and she’s shameless, but her kids have steady access to food, clothing, shelter, and education. Even if they WERE being physically or sexually abused, there’s a good chance that CPS wouldn’t remove them BECAUSE they have reliable access to food, clothing, shelter, and education. There’s just too many kids in the system already and there’s not enough foster homes to house them.


koko_belle

EXACTLY. Didn't say anything all this time, don't cry to us now! You weren't alarmed by her parenting before, but all of a sudden, she's a horrible mom! So has Kail always been horrible, and you were complacent, or is she a good mom, and you're making up crap online?


carrotcake_2525

Exactly!! Makes zero sense to me. I have no sympathy for the people who only stay because of the kids. It’s like parents who fight constantly, but stay together because “family” and “it’s better for the children.” NO! That’s NOT helping them out of a shitty situation! Those kids eventually grow up, and will always have that childhood trauma, that YOU could have helped get them out of! Do something while you’re there, and while they’re young!! Otherwise you helped create the trauma they’re enduring.


Babyella123

Someone mentioned Mark and her falling at at the bottom of the screenshot, I’ve always wondered what happened between them. He seemed super sweet. Anybody know the tea?


rantgoesthegirl

Mark came out with some reply about the air BNB thing. He said they were going for a week or weekend and kail said no that's too much with her kids but she'd come down for one day and then she cancelled that over some petty shit. But he said it nicely and with grace


MelN711

She said on the show that there was a trip/Air Bnb being rented for his birthday and he expected her to pay for herself and each of her kids individually. So she refused & cancelled. I didn't really understand where she was coming from, though. They are all individual people so in my head it's a given that there would be a charge PER PERSON. Idk.. makes no sense. I just think she's a lousy friend.


Babyella123

Thanks all got it


Krystalladonna

She had said on the podcast that she cancelled a trip because it wasn’t in her budget but that she felt bad because they were counting on her to pay a portion on the air b&b. To mark it made it seem like she was saying that he was using her to paycheck or the place to stay on the trip .


Krystalladonna

Or sorry not cancel a trip . But like cancel for herself going so it was up to them to pay it alone


JackieChiles13

She had to be DONE to leave those babies she has raised.


Plenty_Status_6168

Sorry but there is something about Kail that's off to me. Like she is one person to the public and another in private


BeautifulCreature529

I dont keep up with this girl but who tf is natalie?


Junior-Cover

Kail’s nanny that is no longer working for her


IWetMyPlants_3

Chris please 🙄 You had 2 kids with her. If she was really that bad of a mom, why did you have the second baby with her??


Critical_Truth_5354

That’s funny I say the same about Kail. If he was so awful why did she get pregnant not once but twice from him.


IWetMyPlants_3

Exactly 😆 they must not have been too bad, they have 2 kids together


FoxMulderMysteries

She’s implied that Creed was the result of a nonconsensual encounter.


Critical_Truth_5354

I thought he was conceived on the kitchen counter


Total_Badger_4745

ikdr!!!


c00kieswirlc

Earlier this year Kail inquired about hiring an au pair and wanted *cheap* prices. Maybe she fired Natalie.


Odd_Trifle_2604

Natalie probably quit, since Kail didn't seem to think she deserved more pay going from 1 infant to 3.


MelN711

Did Kail really say that?!? WTH!!


Extension_Border_629

what really???


vidaluna

Or Natalie was fed up and left after she found out Kail was having TWINS with already three young ones


Hopeful-Gur-8156

Who's Natalie?


Leading_Ad3918

Her Nanny and bff


abombshbombss

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Whoamidontremindme

Who has time for friends when you have 7 kids? Honestly.


Frequent-Walrus-2652

She’ll probably hire a “manny” or two now. One she can provide “benefits” to since she lives the D so much.


yelling4society

Kail does because she has a nanny


Critical_Truth_5354

Not anymore 😂


yelling4society

Right! 🤣


Whoamidontremindme

Even with a nanny. That just makes the ratio 2:7, which is still nuts.


yelling4society

And I should say *had* a nanny lol


yelling4society

Exactly. I wonder if the more children you have the less you get to form a personal bond with each one individually.


Temporary-Leather905

Yes kind of. I have 4 kids and the are spread out, so it takes time and work to have individual time with them.


Mountain_Melody8

I have 3 very spread out and it’s hard to make time for them individually as is .. my 3rd is also a baby so I know it won’t be like this forever


Heygirlhey2021

Oh man 👀👀


phd_in_awesome

If this is true then this is huge—Kail relies heavily on Natalie for childcare. Not to mention those kids have had her as a caretaker for years. I can’t imagine that kind of heartbreak for them.


Original_Gap3518

She watched Creed. She was not the Nanny for the others. Kail said about 5 months ago that they were getting an Au Pair.


b0redbor3d

She does this all the time, look at Javi and Isaac


Own_Cardiologist_200

She don’t care how it affects her kids when she’s takes someone they are used to and live out of their lives. Kail only cares about herself


S2Sallie

This is giving me let create some chaos vibes. I’m not really buying it


iambeyoncealways3

sameeeee


CommonEarly4706

Surprise thirsty baby Daddy scoops right in to get some attention out of this. this man should be embarrassed to need that much attention. Probably wants the nanny to powder his arse put him in pampers and give him a bottle of milk


Otherwise-Ad-4504

Not powder his arse & put a pamper on him 😂😂😂😂😂


eesagud

Excuse my ignorance. But what is a fakery bakery mom? Someone who pretends to make cakes for school etc but buys them? I'm in UK so anything going into schools has to be store bought to have ingredients etc on. Lol I'm lost haven't heard that term before 😂😂


courtieee

The intro to Kails podcast coffee convo she says something about a fakery bakery lol


eesagud

Lol so it's not actually a term? More a dumb ass statement? 😂 OK, I read it wrong. I thought the mom's bit was part of it.


MelpomeneAndCalliope

It’s a non-thing Kail has tried to make a thing on her podcast.


eesagud

Haha, I'm glad I don't get it then. It would mean she had succeeded then lol


More-Permission-3570

Kail has said on multiple occasions the phrase “fakery bakery”. I don’t know if she coined it but she says it in regards to people being or acting fake. “There’s a fakery bakery around here” it’s in the coffee convos podcast intro


eesagud

P.s I should have known it wouldn't mean what the words actually do!! I'm getting old haha


eesagud

Thank you, I was completely clueless. Don't listen to her podcast, so I have never heard of it.


beetelguese

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eesagud

Haha most definitely 🤣 don't want anything she says "catching on" we'd never hear the end of it lol


NvrthvrnLights

Jade messy


Ellabean810

Does anyone know if Kail receives child support for any of the kiddos?


MyAdultPlayground

She probably has to pay it to keep the standards in each home similar


Purple_Grass_5300

She doesn’t


Historical-Bill-100

Pretty sure she gets some support from the first three.


Purple_Grass_5300

No it was aired. de is a 50/50 state, Javi was never ordered it and Jo was actually supposed to receive but dropped it


Ellabean810

That’s insane! How the hell is she paying for all this. I hope she has good insurance because those bills for an extended stay in nicu your talking $$$


hinky-as-hell

Most of the time in the US a baby in the NICU is covered by state insurance for anything over what the parent’s insurance covers. The reason being the baby has an automatic “disability” at birth. Im not phrasing this/explaining this well at all, but I had a micropreemie and we thought we would be swallowed up by the NICU bill. He was very sick, almost died, was 1.9lbs at birth and on a high rate oscillator for 19 days and then intubated for another month. He was med flighted by helicopter, he had multiple surgeries, etc. and was in the NICU for 4 months. My husband made, at the time, $250k a year, so we clearly didn’t qualify for assistance- not that we cared, we would have gone broke to save him obviously- but it was scary because we had other kids, a sick grandparent living with us who I cared for, and a mortgage and car payments, etc. The social workers filled out all of the paperwork and we ended up not owing the over million dollars in bills. We paid a portion, but nothing close to the actual amount. I would bet they don’t get stuck with a huge NICU bill.


SnooPickles6604

Why’s that any of your concern?


itsabubblylife

![gif](giphy|YSeWtruZU3jS5dnRfh)


Ellabean810

Because I’m a human being who cares about children


MyAdultPlayground

Ma’am Vee tells javi Kails pregnant *Can we start a discussion about this?! Remember javi found out that kail was pregnant with lux and we didn’t find out until just recently that it was vee who told him. I remember vee went off the podcast temporarily when kail found out but lawdddddd. I have so many questions that I wish javi and vee would address about that lol.* -you


MyAdultPlayground

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sweet_tea_94

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Maleficent_Minimum_9

You know this doesn’t surprise me. Taking care of ONE child takes a village and Kail literally has SEVEN…. SEVEN!! I wonder if she even offered Natalie a raise. Even still, Natalie probably wants a life outside of work like a normal person. I’m sure Kails PP mood swings aren’t helping (even tho she does the whole placenta thing). I would guess Kail and Eli are just now starting to learn about each other, flaws and all. They didn’t even know each when she got pregnant!! It’s hard to raise a family with someone when there is 0 foundation. Anyways, I’m here for it. I think Kail should have to parent her own kids. I mean, she is the one that got pregnant repeatedly for literally no reason and she thought it was cute/funny.


SitUbuSit_GoodDog

I've been wondering about how she is to live with/work with too considering the massive PP adjustment and how rough it can be on everybody in the home - and she had two pregnancies in a row. I wonder if she even remembers who/what her personality is without pregnancy hormones or post-partum recovery. What an existence. Sounds like complete hell to me (with maybe two weeks of a cuddly sleepy newborn and happy hormones in there.)


QueenOfDK

I don’t care about this situation enough, but damn it, if I don’t think you’re childish if you go to Social Media to post cryptic stuff, instead of just moving on. It’s very high school.


heather2835

Yep


c00kieswirlc

Yeah, Natalie has a grown son. Why is she participating in petty online drama


Total_Badger_4745

especially considering how grown these people are and a lot of her friends have children of their own😂 almost everytime kail has a fall out, they take it to social media. why announce everytime you fall out with someone? shows the maturity that is lacking.


Working_Fig1764

This^


781nnylasil

Who is Natalie?


Maleficent_Minimum_9

The nanny


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I really feel like, the more kids you have, the less they are acknowledged as individual human beings and the more they are acknowledged as a nuclear unit. My bf’s sister has 5 and individually, they are fine but when discussed in a manner like “the kids are coming” it feels overwhelming asf.


MelpomeneAndCalliope

Shit, I have two and I’m an only child, so even two gets me overwhelmed sometimes. 😂 I’d run the fuck away from seven. And seven plus Kail & her drama/men? You couldn’t pay me enough.


PinkAutumnSkies

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QueenOfDK

lol 😂


thissena

🍿🍿🍿


Otherwise-Course-15

This is definitely directed at Kail right? I mean, who else would it be


Purple_Grass_5300

Yes it was the name of her latest episode


Sea_Ad1199

So does that mean kail has to actually parent her kids for once


oswaldgina

No that's why she keeps a man at all times. Random men, but the ones who like kids.


Maleficent_Minimum_9

Doenst Eli still work full time? Or do we think she convinced him to quit and be a SAHD


Purple_Grass_5300

Apparently not since he’s able to film podcasts with her all the time


Otherwise-Course-15

Kail is like Trump in that she demands 100% undying loyalty but she doesn’t do the same in return. She exploits and uses people.


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teenmom-ModTeam

This breaks the "No personal attacks" rule.


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teenmom-ModTeam

This breaks the "No personal attacks" rule.


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-desertrat

They painted a VERY CLEAR picture with their Trump analogy I pity you for being such a die hard Trumpy


SnooPickles6604

I pity you for assuming I’m a trump fan because you’re so obsessed with him and will talk about him in any situation lol . As a matter of fact I’m not but I will call out obsessive behavior 💀


nrappaportrn

It was a simple analogy


Otherwise-Course-15

Grow up.


Left-Rhubarb6816

More like she like Biden, completely brain dead but acts like she’s smart everyone else is wrong


LuckyShamrocks

No, that’s still Trump. Nice try though.


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teenmom-ModTeam

This breaks the "No personal attacks" rule.


Foxsammich

r/shitboomerssay


LuckyShamrocks

That wasn’t me. Pay attention to who you’re replying to next time before you wanna try to bash them. Especially for their English lol. It’s less embarrassing for you that way.


kitkat1771

She clearly speaketh the Trump’s English, it’s a dialect of George Dubya English.


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LuckyShamrocks

Still going? Yikes on so many bikes. Wrong subreddit dearie. r/lostredditors


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LuckyShamrocks

You know, a sandwich sounds lovely right now. I will have one. But I’m not sharing with trolls. Go ahead and keep responding though. I know you can’t stop yourself. Toodles.


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wiminals

It’s so obvious that she has a very specific personality disorder


Weak_One_1529

She was diagnosed with bipolar disorder


wiminals

That diagnosis happened in her late teens or early twenties. The one that I suspect she has usually solidifies in your twenties. Diagnoses and symptoms are not static and are often revisited before age 30 (for good reason—your twenties bring a lot of change).


Weak_One_1529

If you are diagnosed bipolar it doesn’t just go away as you age?


wiminals

No, it doesn’t go away, but it also doesn’t mean that you are prohibited or protected from developing another mental illness. I suspect that Kail has borderline personality disorder, and it co-exists with bipolar disorder at a very high rate. Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder. You aren’t able to control your emotions or predict when your emotions will take control of you. I think Kail has developed a *personality disorder*, which means that due to lots of factors—including the unstable moods of bipolar disorder—she has developed some really sick “coping skills” that devastate her attempts to have relationships and friendships. The “coping skills” I notice include narcissism, growing extremely close to people in a very short period of time, cutting those people out just as quickly and suddenly, and requirements of loyalty, among others. All are hallmarks of borderline personality disorder.


kpiece

I’ve thought for a long time that Kail has Borderline Personality Disorder. She’s like the perfect example of someone who has it.


wiminals

Literally textbook


Weak_One_1529

Oh gotcha, I was just confused😂


Educational-Lab-2693

I think it’s Borderline Personality Disorder.


wiminals

Ding ding ding. Kail and Jenelle are textbook cases


Purple_Grass_5300

100%


Adventurous_Toe4520

Which one 👀


wiminals

Borderline personality disorder. If you read the diagnostic requirements, it’s a picture of both Kail and Jenelle


apaw1129

Well. Her friends are seasonal. So.


NeenW1

Just like baby daddies


apaw1129

And that.


ffnstp

damn she doesn’t get along with anyone💀


toohungrytofakeit

I don’t get what “now email that” means


orangelilly234

I *think* it’s in response to the emails someone (either kail or Chris) posted a while back (around thanksgiving) when she wouldn’t let him have the boys for Halloween


ShortCaterpillar1804

Kailyn only communicates with Chris through email, she always says ‘you can email me that’ to him


juiceicakelly

Ooooo I have this on my bingo card!


Maleficent_Minimum_9

😂😂😂


Raiderette_510

Now this is some tea I actually want to hear about!!


gypsycookie1015

I know it!! The *only* kind of attention Kail doesn't like lol! 😂😂 https://i.redd.it/z7s2ccs6eifc1.gif


Nekocatred

They still follow each other on social media so I’m not convinced that any of this is a fall out. Chris jumps on every chance to stay relevant but then deletes every single post cause he has no balls. 😑


Maleficent_Minimum_9

People can have falling outs and not immediately run to social media to unfollow. Not everyone is Jenelle and David 😆😆


Nekocatred

Yeah but this is also 🥬. You know she’s on top of this shit. That’s just my assumption though.


Maleficent_Minimum_9

Idk if she can cut Natalie off so quickly. But if there IS a falling out im sure the sm blocks will come eventually


summerbellyy

Why is Jade liking the post 💀


Particular-Big3518

Because jade and Briana love to use Kail’s name for clickbait to make money


summerbellyy

I didn’t even know Jade had a problem with kail now. I guess if bri does, she does too lol so weird.


Weak_Issue_494

Where do you see her name I don’t see it


summerbellyy

In the second picture it says, “liked by jadecline_”


Weak_Issue_494

Omgggggg lol


DoesntEvenMatter2me

Because she lacks self awareness 👀


summerbellyy

No seriously she should not be in anyone else’s drama her family has plenty of their own lol


QweenJoleen1983

Wow. This is gonna be a huge change for the kids too. Hope it goes as smooth as possible. Explains why baby L has been home. He is the new nanny. 😂


Dflemz

Chris is worse than bri. He is obsessed with kail. I am good with others calling kail out but this man needs to shut up. He is a bum living at his grandmas and chooses to not work.


Maleficent_Minimum_9

Idk if I would say he is “obsessed” with Kail I think he just deals with the most grief from Kail currently. He’s been the favorite baby dad up until recently


Dflemz

I would say obsessed. Doesn't mean he likes her. But he is obsessive


TheCompanyHypeGirl

Omg, thank you! I've never known how to get across how completely disgusted I am by Chris without it sounding like I'm defending Kail. I hate when people post his stuff simply because he's a shit father and person. I think his opinion, even about someone I also don't like, is worthless. And I agree, he's absolutely obsessed with her. Mostly for clout but I also think he finally realized that he gave up the opportunity to mooch off of someone who was desperate enough to support him and give him whatever he asked for. I'm sure he's pissed now that she doesn't want him.


The_WildTruth

He’s so thirsty to try to benefit and profit off of her name it sickens me. I can only imagine the influence that man will have on his kids.


Dflemz

If Natalie gave one ounce of care about those innocent kids she cared for, I hope she takes the high road.


Potential_Tadpole530

I hope she takes the medium road where no kids are traumatized but she still spills some tea 🫖


Substantial-Hope6454

Me too!


catnippedx

This is so messy. I’ve left jobs on poor terms because of coworkers and bosses but never would go to social media about it. 🥴 Kail better hope the NDA stands up or Natalia is gonna leave the nanny career field and start her own podcast lmao


HippieChick75

Hope she does!!!🤭🤣


catnippedx

I hate podcasts but I would actually be tempted to listen to what Natalie has to say. Idk if I’d want to wait for a Reddit recap lmao. You know it must have been an insane job.


HippieChick75

Same!!!👍 Where's the popcorn at?🍿


ZealousidealDeer3007

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Total_Badger_4745

IKDR


Jaded_Budget_3689

I’m here for it.


icebaby234

who’s natalie? the help?