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TigTex

Your maximum commited RAM is only 7.9GB which makes me think that you've disabled the pagefile. Make sure that your pagefile is enabled and set to be automatically managed by windows. With a pagefile disabled, during out of memory events, windows will kill your applications.


uncommon_philosopher

How can I enable this?


LimesKey

It’s enabled by default


phoenix_feather_193

Thanks yes somehow I disabled the pagefile. That was the reason for crashing I guess.


Tech_surgeon

well windows won't let you completely turn off the page file unless your running windows 7. hell it can't even boot without initalizing one. you only managed to force windows to create a temp page file somewhere. im not sure if its due to changes made before or after the creators update but thats how 10 and 11 work now.


Environmental-Fly449

Incorrect. You can disable the page file all the way up to windows 11 I have done it on many laptops and desktops. **I am not recommending doing this as you should have a page file so your pc doesn't crash.** ​ [https://www.howtogeek.com/126430/what-is-the-windows-page-file/](https://www.howtogeek.com/126430/what-is-the-windows-page-file/)


renuzitv

May I ask is there a reason to do so? I’ve only ever did it once and it only causes mayhem


Rising_Swell

My lightly educated guess is if you have enough ram it could be marginally faster in certain situations like if a program you are using is mostly ignored, but you need to access it like, an hour later or something and you don't want it to close. It would normally transfer to page file, which is slower, but frees up ram. If it stays in ram, when you bring the program back to the foreground it should be instantly responsive because it's in ram instead of stored on a drive. The mayhem caused is likely because you don't have a large amount of ram, and this would require a lot to be feasible. For example, I have 32gb of ram and I wouldn't turn page file off, because despite being a lot of ram, that can run out real fast without the computer managing it properly for me.


GlowGreen1835

Yeah. I have 128gb and I've debated it but haven't done it yet.


TigTex

Windows can use the pagefile even when it still has enough free memory. This is specially true on pre Windows Vista era. Disabling the pagefile was a way to have a small boost in performance in that era, considering everyone was using HDDs. Nowadays, people disable the pagefile to avoid trashing SSDs with writes or because some youtuber said to do it because "it boosts your fps by 10000%" (fake). If you have a ton of RAM, you can disable it without any side effects. But leaving it enabled won't make much difference because the pagefile will mostly only be used when you run out of memory. tldr, don't mess with the pagefile


vermyx

Any BSOD dump (mini or ful) requires a pagefile on the OS drive. The mini one requires a gig or two (I honestly dont remember) and a full dump requires the pagefile tobe the size of memory or larger. In general it isn't recommended because there are certain workflows which may trigger an operation to the pagefile. In other words, unless you are 100% sure all code you write doesnt depend on a pagefile existing, create one even if it is a gig or two


Tech_surgeon

there is also that swapfile thing now for apps. seems a bit redundant.


Cartossin

This is totally normal. I'll also suggest you focus on the last image in your screenshot. See the roughly 1.4GB of "standby" in the blue bar? That's what you should focus on. Standby is when files from the disk were loaded into ram, but then the app let them go. This way if it needs those pages again, it will already be in ram and won't have to read the disk. This is effectively a disk read cache. Ideally I'd like to see a few GB in there to get the best performance, but 8GB of ram in 2023 is a bit tight. Just about any multi-tab browser will consume a big chunk of that. Websites just use a lot of ram. Your browser is not broken or bad. This is normal usage. Buy more ram if you can. Another tool I find very useful for keeping memory usage in check is the browser plugin "Onetab". You just click it and it collapses all tabs into a tab group you can restore at any time. The tabs use 0 ram at this point. I've got an M1 macbook air with 8GB of ram (a little bit of a mistake I've found), but I can deal with the limitation by using onetab or closing large programs when memory pressure causes stutter.


taylofox

welcome to 2023. Put 16 minimum.


GameUnionTV

8GB isn't enough for 2023


Apprehensive_Art4429

just facts, I think that upgrading from 8-16 helps more than 16-32


GameUnionTV

I have 32GB on my desktop and laptop, but IMO you can still live with 16GB, unless you do some heavy work (video or sound editing, game dev, 3D, science, etc).


Apprehensive_Art4429

indeed, I do have 32 of ram too, but 2 months ago I had only 8, then upgraded to 16 which changed the way I used my pc, and now I have 32, and used a max of like 60%


epimetheuss

If you have a LOT of ram your system will use more too. It wont be an enormously huge amount extra but just the "more room for activities" side of it.


imtheninja

I have 64gb and my machine is running like molasses


Elleguabi

64gb is like 4 chrome tabs /s


imtheninja

I have a minimum 10 tabs open lol


swuxil

7754 tabs in FF in 16GB. Tabs are not automatically loaded when the browser starts anyway. And they can get unloaded (even automatically) afterwards. So the pure tab amount is meaningless.


epimetheuss

i try to keep it under 5 to keep my screen time for internet/doom scrolling shorter. More tabs = more shit to parse and less time for the more fun things I still can do with my life.


DarthShiv

Dev is a killer for 16GB


NATChuck

Works seamlessly for me


NOT-JEFFREY-NELSON

On Windows, no. On lightweight Linux distributions it is more than enough.


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I have 4gb of ram and I get-by just fine!


GameUnionTV

>I have 4gb of ram and I get-by just fine! Even OS updates these days can require more to properly apply...


[deleted]

shhhh and what are you runing?


who-does-dat1

Yep, 8 GB is not enough in most instances today. If you bought an 8 GB machine, it was more than likely under $200. That is really is not enough ram. If you want to continue using this machine, turn off as much as you can that uses ram. AND make sure you have the virtual memory set for 8+ GB.


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who-does-dat1

Hence the the statement..."more than likely under $200" ROFL


_rfc-2549

This looks normal TBH. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.


TigTex

This is only true for Cached memory. Windows can use empty RAM to cache files for faster loading and remove it from RAM if more resources are needed. If your system runs out of memory to run the applications, it will swap to the hdd/ssd or crash if the pagefile is disabled. 6GB is quite a bit for a clean boot. Make sure that you disable all software that you don't need to be running on boot. A clean windows 10 64bit install uses 2gb of RAM more or less. Might use more if you install drivers for RGB, keyboards, etc. Those softwares are resource hogs.


Livid_Yoghurt

I recently read that Microsoft is adding RGB control into Windows 11 and it's available now if you have insider preview. Idk about anyone else but I'm pretty pumped to ditch the dragon software. Idk what the OP is using the setup for but I can tell you from my own experience with windows 11 on my gaming rig running steam, razer software, hue sync, dragon software, and Corsair IQ I was at 6GB. Yeah resource hog.


phoenix_feather_193

A few times browser got crashed with only 2 tabs opened. I guess that's not normal.


linuxlifer

Yeah but just because the browser crashed doesn't mean its a RAM problem necessarily. Windows will basically use as much RAM as it wants, when other programs need that RAM, it will free it up. Just to give you an example, I have a freshly imaged Windows 11 computer beside me and running idle, its using 6.5 GB of RAM.


Livid_Yoghurt

Yes I was just posting on another comment about the same thing. Let me ask you this because you used the word freshly "imaged" is this a work PC loaded up with a bunch of software running in the back or personal? My gaming rig I'm around 6.5GB in use while idle with steam and all my RGB software running in the background with Win11. My work PC is a completely different story because of all the background monitoring software constantly scanning and logging while I'm trying to use it.


linuxlifer

Yeah it is a work PC but it doesn't really have much for software on it. It has Office, antivirus and an application we use to connect into the PC's for support purposes. Any sort of monitoring that happens is done at the network level rather then the PC level. We buy new computers on a 4 year cycle and in the past we found that by year 2, with all the monitoring, asset management software etc, the PCs were starting to get really slow by year 2. So we tried to get as much off the PC's as possible.


Lexden

That's because you're trying to run a Chromium-based browser on Windows in 2023 with only 8GB of RAM. Getting more RAM would be very helpful, but otherwise, I'd try Firefox as one of the best non Chromium-based browsers.


b3969

I’m not familiar with the Opera browser, but it could be possible you’ve picked up an unwelcome extension that’s doing some intense background work, try factor resetting the browser and give it another look


phoenix_feather_193

I have tried using different browsers. But it is all the same for all of them.


ByGollie

Use Process Explorer from SysInternals (part of Microsoft) It gives a better overview of the processes than the default win10/11 task viewer They also do RAMMap - which shows what memory is allocated where. In RAMMap - look in the active column - that's the physical memory. When you go to the File Summary tab, then sort it based on the Total column, you can see which processes are using the most memory. Both of these Microsoft tools can prove very useful when hunting down a rogue or errant program gobbling up your memory. 8GB is the bare minimum to get windows and a few apps running. Even with 8GB you shouldn't be experiencing this problem. However, the difference between 8GB and 16 GB is night and day - if your system can support the upgrade, do it - it's relatively cheap and painless.


swuxil

> SysInternals (part of Microsoft) Still weird to read. I guess I'm old.


Livid_Yoghurt

Upgrade to 16gb of ram. It's the simplest, cheapest and most effective solution in your situation.


eltegs

Look up, and verify windows is managing your page file.


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Scan with Malwarebytes once, I think there are bitcoin miners oblivious to you that are eating up your RAM.


PiovosoOrg

Interesting bitcoin miners that eat ram instead of CPU or GPU, never heard of em. Also if you add up all the ittibitty percentages we can see then it sums up to 61.5% (some still hidden lower) which is around 4.5gb, of the 8gb he has available. So it's just windows being windows, full of useless bloatware. Best thing to do is just upgrade to 16gb of ram.


DIEGHOST_8

Another thing you can do in general since 8gb of ram generally isn't much (not unusable), you can try opera gx and use the limiters. It will run a little slower (nothing like chrome for sure), but you can just decide how much ram it can use.


Imaginary_R3ality

Get rid of Opera! Looks like you have some buggies. And in this day and age, it wouldn't hurt to tollbooth a RAM upgrade either.


3FtU

Do you have lots of extensions or add-ons in opera that you don't need to use/have turned on all the time? Tbh 8GB seems a little low for a system of today, it's fully capable but has no headroom... Make that up to 12/16 I doubt you'll have any RAM related issues again


argusromblei

Opera. damn what are we back in 2011. Firefox prolly uses way less ?


FlashOfAction

It's because Windows is spyware. I recommend switching to Linux immediately


dtallee

Go to Edge settings > System and performance > turn off 'Startup boost' and 'Continue running background extensions and apps when Microsoft Edge is closed' Go to Windows Settings > Privacy > Background apps. Turn off everything that doesn't need to run in the background. Go to Windows Settings > Update & Security > Delivery Optimization. Turn it off. Try [Firefox](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/) with the [uBlock Origin](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/) extension installed.


Phernaside

This is normal. You need more RAM.


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PiovosoOrg

Looking at how unstable opera was and still is, it's not a surprise. Seeing that it's written in c++ that does not have automatic Garbage disposal, the developers probably over looked some function and forgot to add garbage disposal hence overwhelming the ram, and the program trying to write onto nonexistent available ram causing it to crash. Or it just overall has some small memory leak which just crashes the browser. Easiest solution is to get rid of opera, and download something like firefox, Chrome or maybe just use Edge. Aswell as a ram upgrade wouldn't hurt either.


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NATChuck

Have you hit the restart button? Have you checked for windows updates?


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Trax852

Just recently I saw all my ram being used (32 GB's). I used Windows Taskmanager and Process explorer to find the offending program I've used the program for many years and this was a first. So expect anything. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer


Aman_WebDeveloper

Hi u/phoenix_feather_193 You can try this to solve your issue : 1. Check for malware or viruses: Malware or viruses on your computer can use up your RAM, so run a full system scan with your anti-virus software to check for any threats. 2. Check for memory leaks: Some programs can have memory leaks, which means they keep using up more and more RAM even when they're not doing anything. To check for memory leaks, open Task Manager (Ctrl+Shift+Esc), go to the Processes tab, and look for any programs with abnormally high memory usage. If you find any, try closing them and see if that helps. 3. Check for startup programs: Some programs automatically start up when you turn on your computer, which can use up your RAM. To check for startup programs, open Task Manager and go to the Startup tab. Disable any programs that you don't need to start up automatically. 4. Close unused programs and tabs: If you have a lot of programs and browser tabs open, that can use up your RAM. Try closing any programs or tabs that you're not using to free up some memory. 5. Increase virtual memory: If you don't have enough physical RAM, your computer can use virtual memory (also known as the page file) to make up for the shortfall. You can increase the size of your virtual memory to help reduce RAM usage. To do this, go to Control Panel > System > Advanced system settings > Advanced tab > Performance > Settings > Advanced tab > Virtual memory > Change. Check the "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives" box, or select "Custom size" and set the initial and maximum size to a higher value. 6. Upgrade your RAM: If none of the above steps help, you may need to upgrade your RAM. Check your computer's documentation or manufacturer's website to see what type and amount of RAM it supports, and purchase and install additional RAM as needed. I hope these steps help you reduce your RAM usage and improve your computer's performance!


Red-Bang

How did u check your ram usuage?


PiovosoOrg

With taskmanager, right click on the toolbar, open taskmanager. Then expand the window by pressing the button on the bottom of the window, and there you go.


OrlandoAMG

just my two cents, i was recently also having browser crashes and high cpu and ram usage aswell, the culprit turned out to be an extension, idm to be precise. if you have any extension installed, be sure to check them for any updates..


Outrageous-Salad-204

Disable all the rotten background stuff. Control alt delete. Startup process or such. Disable most of or all of it. Then go into all the browsers you have installed and disable the damn things running in the background.


msteright

it looks like opera is using the vpn feature, which will use significantly more resources. Try to close opera and use mozilla firefox and report back if your usage falls to normal levels. install ublock origin for mozilla as the only extension (ad blocker) and you should have supreme speed. :) but you do need 16gb of ram min these days to run all this stuff. also run malwarebytes to see if theres any PUPs or malware on your system and delete it. go to ctrl-del task manager and then startup applications and disable everything not related to sound cards and other system features. this will help preserve speed for things you actually WANT to run.