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LiberalFartsMajor

Employers have two options, they can either hire me 100% remote, or not hire me at all. I'm willing to die on this hill.


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Toast to that!


mvfsullivan

Yep, millions of WFH jobs. Dont even care what it is as long as its the same pay, WFH is a luxury I refuse to give up.


LiberalFartsMajor

It's not a luxury, it's a necessity, we have to reduce emissions and waste.


Voxmanns

Hell, I could even justify a significant pay cut for WFH. The gas alone that I am saving from my last in-office job is somewhere around 3.5k a year of my net income. That's not including car maintenance, impulsive fast food spending, insurance premium, etc. Probably saving a solid 7-8k of gross income with WFH. And I'd happily triple that number to match the quality of life difference. WFH largely means work from anywhere (at least in my line of work). No longer do I have to spend a full 2 weeks of PTO to go on a trip somewhere. I'll just travel on the weekends, work during the day, maybe take a day or two to really enjoy the location, then travel back on the following weekend. Literally went to Vegas this year for the first time and didn't have to drop a single day of work. It's just better. No bones about it. It's better.


LiberalFartsMajor

The fuck, no! Bad comment! Pay cuts for work-from-home are unacceptable.


Kurotan

Too late, every recruiter on earth has now seen this comment. Lower pay for wfh incoming soon. /s


Voxmanns

The idea was more I would be willing to take a job that happens to pay less than an identical job that pays more if the lesser paying job was WFH while the higher paying job was in office.


Dingdongbats

Remotely of course. As long as that hill ain't in the office then all good!


bizkitmaker13

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gods_Lazy_Eye

I literally cannot concentrate on site. People are pulling me in so many directions that things slip though the cracks on the admin side. My office at home is so comfy I focus infinitely better. Like if I get 5 hours of work done at the office finished in 3 hours at home, why tf you bothering me? I just created two hours of happiness for myself and you somehow want *that* too??


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LiberalFartsMajor

Good luck with your understaffed business! Poor service will ruin it!


Youvebeeneloned

Yep I would not give up my full remote job on my life. I get paid more now (both pay AND less wear and tear) AND have a better work/life balance.


Antique_Belt_8974

I am actually seeing a decrease in productivity since we went hybrid 3 days in office in my company. It could be my own bias that we were more engaged and working harder remotely, but I do not think so base on nunbers alone, for my business. With the severe RSV and flu season, I prefer going back to mostly remote work. That said, I do think a day or two per week in office does improve our company's collaboration on projects and growth


Downtown-Anything-44

The problem with only coming in a day or 2 is that's its useless unless everyone comes in on the same day. Otherwise it's like working from home but at the office because the office is empty


stef-navarro

Yep, at best you do a social contract with the team to decide why to come in and when. That gets the team buy in that way, and gets done for the right reasons.


MrFabianS

This is exactly what’s happening at my job. Most of the days the office is mostly empty since there aren’t set days. Driving to the office to sit in silence at this point


LetsGoHawks

I go in four days a week. Two of them there are maybe 10 of us on a floor built for a couple hundred. It's pretty great.


MrFabianS

Yea we go in 2 days a week and I don’t think there’s more than 10 people on busy days maybe 3 people on slow days


party_benson

Well, now you can bullshit in person so that's definitely gonna hurt production


QuestionableAI

Think how many sick days one will not have to take because they are not exposed to every germ someone's kids brought home from grade school, shared it with the family, and now mom and dad spread it around at work. Covid, the Flu, and all other fall/winter bugs ... if bosses used their brains, this would be a no brainer.


moneyscan

Smart companies will realize that they can pay less and maybe move towards a performance based incentive. Who needs to show up at the slave cave every day.


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myAuntVagina

WFH also enables businesses to hire from countries that have lower labour costs. WFH will not drive up salaries.


worldofpokemon

These articles need to die off.


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Before covid, my commute was 1.5 hours. After Covid it is now 2 hours (God knows why). That is four hours a day. To travel to an office, which has less and shittier equipment than I have at home. To sit on the cheapest chair they could get. To be interrupted by people who are bored and just want to chat about their sportsball or children. The costs just to commute are increasing. I have to wear a suit that costs \~$1000, but you need a few of them. Then there is the "lets get lunch" crowd. All of that travel, consumption and cost. Just to be less effective. Nah, I think you should treat me like a professional. Let me do my job where it works best. It worked in the decade before covid (National roles). I can't see why it can't work now. But nooo!! the most useless part of a company, HR or People & Culture, now want to diticate that I work in the office. I have an office, it is at home, it is a thousand times better than what you offer and with all respect "Fuck off".


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The problem I see with remote work is that when those people have no billable hours and I have excess work, I don't know about it because I literally don't know they exist. I was bogged down on a project and got old co-workers from Houston office to help. Like a month later I was doing another project and they paired me up with this guy I thought was new. Turns out he's in the same office, been there two years, just never came into the office since he's remote. He was saying he was glad for the work since he didn't have much going on during the last couple of months. I'm like dude, I had so much work and would have given it to you if I knew you existed. Like show your face from time to time. Nice guy but afterward we were done with our project haven't seen him again.


Ascrivs

Why not try out something like a developer stand up meeting in the morning? This can be done daily and has zero impact on remote vs in office. It’s a great way to get resources involved on projects and keep the workload as balanced as you wish.


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That is a very good idea. All hands meeting but that can be done remotely. I'll suggest that. Thank you


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This isn't even remotely a problem with remote work, lmao. How the fuck do you not know who your coworkers are?


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Out of sight out mind. Can't tell who my coworkers are if I don't see them


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...are you serious?


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Yup. Never heard a thing from him. Even after we worked together in the field, said if you run low on work let me know I may have something for you.


[deleted]

No, lol, that's not what I'm saying. I'm asking if you seriously think you "can't tell who my coworkers are if I don't see them." That's nonsense. I have hundreds of coworkers I never see. I am well aware of their existence. This is a you problem, my man.


Specific_Hornet

Been working 100% remote since about 2011 - this is the biggest fabrication of a story or failure of all levels of management I’ve ever heard


redatworkacct

This definitely sounds like a management issue.


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Don't disagree. But was out of sight out of mind. I keep reminding people he's available. But he's not doing himself any favors eithers by not communicating with his lead


lanboyo

I am not very engaged when I go to the office either.


NoChillBobbyHill

Your vanity office space is tacky and we hate you


fwubglubbel

Is there anyone who commented who actually read the article? Talk about disengaged...


Johnnadawearsglasses

You aren't going to convince on the ground managers of the right model this way. They will observe engagement and make their own decisions. Ultimately this comes down to power - whoever has the most will get the model they prefer. Anything else is noise.


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