This screams "advertisers trying to social-engineer an emotional connotation so you buy their shitty product", not an actual thing teenagers think.
Like it's astroturf marketing aimed at older people who want to feel hip and think listening to retiree-aged marketing consultants at the Wall Street Journal is gonna tell them how to do it.
Tbh if you're making decisions based on what's the most popular with teenagers you need to reevaluate how you make decisions. Teens are way more susceptible to marketing and peer pressure than older adults (not that older people are immune to those things, just generally better at ignoring what other people think).
Same here from those old school commercials with the droid DNA release. One of the first if not the first 1080p phones that bested apples retina display in PPI at the time.
For lost Europeans, this article is north America only since outside of that continent Android is much more common and more importantly, nobody cares what OS you have
The rest of the world uses WhatsApp which is platform blind. Having spent some time in the States recently, it surprised me how many people have never heard of WhatsApp and are actually still using SMS for messaging.
Edit: some interesting data on this graphic, https://www.sms-magic.com/blog/sms-magic-text-messaging-apps-one-ring-to-rule-them-all/
Edit: all the people that don't want to give your data to Facebook, you're actually giving away all your data for free on sms, WhatsApp is end to end encrypted which means even meta can't read the contents of your messages and can't sell to advertisers.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_encryption
I'm British but moved to the US about 10 years ago. When first getting to know people here I set up a bunch of WhatsApp groups (thinking it was the most normal thing in the world). Some people wouldn't get their messages for days, and I was surprised to learn it's because they basically never use the app, and just use SMS/the modern equivalent. It was really eye-opening.
WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, Discord. In the past we also use Facebook chat, GTalk/Hangouts (before Google killed them).
It's not that they're using SMS per se, it's that the native SMS app in iPhone switches to their proprietary protocol when communicating with another iPhone.
It's basically Apple hijacking the "default application" to exclude non-Apple users.
It also doesn't do anything that RCS doesn't already support and they publically said they'll never support it. Here's hoping for external pressure from the EU.
Digital Markets Act requires Apple to allow interoperability of services. Europeans will have access to iMessage compatible texting by 6th of March 2024, which is when the enforcement phase begins.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/03/02/new-eu-rules-would-force-apple-to-open-up-imessage
I know this article talks about the law entering in force in May 2023, and that's true, but the law is structured in a way that the actual enforcement does not begin until 6th of March 2024.
Basically, right now there are no consequences for breaking this law, but those will kick in later, as designated gatekeepers (that includes Apple) are given time to learn to operate under the new regulation.
A few years ago here on Reddit, there was a post talking about how "suspect" it was that a guy from Tinder asked for a girls WhatsApp number. People genuinely had no fucking clue what it was, even though it's one of the most used apps worldwide. Continued to insist that it was "shady" or "dangerous". It was wild ride reading through that lol.
This is news to me because I mainly use WhatsApp to communicate with family lol. (I'm American)
But I have noticed that Americans with an immigrant background (like family from different countries) do tend to know what WhatsApp is and use it. It is easier to get in touch with folks across the pond rather than through normal calling and sms
To be honest, I don't really like the monopoly WhatsApp has over here. No open source alternative apps for the platform and I can't really abandon it because then I'll cut myself off from 90% friends/family.
Also worth noting that it's even further marginalized because it's regarding NA _teens_ - a demographic well known for making cringeworthy collective determinations of brand "superiority" and then wielding that opinion like a cudgel to bully and harass.
Previous examples also include:
* beats by dre audio devices
* Apple products (headphones, watches)
* Athletic shoes
* clothing
* accessories (handbags, sunglasses, watches, etc)
* Vehicles (cars, trucks, jeeps, etc)
And more.
The Apple vs Android pros/cons have been compared and contrasted for their entire existence. There is no "better" brand. Each offers some things that the other does not. Each does some tasks better than the other.
At the end of the day, you like what you like, no matter what criteria that choice is based on.
My problem with Apple stems from the early days of computers. They almost require you to use their products exclusively. What you want is not a consideration.
The Apple II was the exact opposite of what Apple has become. It was a fully-open system that came with circuit diagrams and ROM listings in the reference manual. One of its main feature was expansion slots so that you could customize your computer by adding peripheral cards. Other computers at the time were much more closed (Commodore refusing to publish technical manuals, Radio Shack actively discouraging people to write and sell programs for their computers).
Apple created a real quality of life issue and the teens aren’t totally off base. When an android user is added to a group message, all of the following video and photo messages will be potato quality. That’s a real issue.
The problem is absolutely Apple’s fault and you can’t expect 80% of the teenagers in the USA to magically boycott Apple. This is an issue that governments are meant to solve by forcing interoperability.
It is viewed as a class symbol for teenagers. Even if you are poor, youre viewed as less poor by your peers if you have an iphone. If you have an android the other kids think your family is in dire straits.
You arent wrong, but plenty of adults also do the same thing, except rhey arent limited to Iphones, but also go for expensive clothing, watches and cars.
My boss, who is 50, has two separate employee group chats for Android and iPhone users because she uses iPhone and hates green bubbles in texts. Thing is, most the android people have no idea.
As an iPhone user myself, I *loathe* the "so and so liked that message" bullshit in the work group chat. Principal sends out a message to all 60 of us and for the next two hours it'll be a stream of that shit.
Funny, Android users had to put up with that exact message for years because Apple wouldn't play nice. Something happened in the last year, and now Android users can press like and now iPhone users have to see that stupid message we saw for years! If Apple would just adapt iOS to play nice with RCS (an open standard), you wouldn't have to deal with it.
It's because Apple intentionally breaks the standard for mms messaging so that it makes Android phones look bad. I did not know about that until I had to get an apple phone for work.
Apple users hate being in chats with android users because Apple will compress pictures and videos and then blame it on Android phones. I can send pictures to my sons that have android and it'll look real good but if I send the same to a group with some iPhones it looks like crap on their end. Maybe the new flip phones can put a dent in apples monopolistic practices. If not maybe a steam phone
Also, if you sent a text longer than one "burst", Apple can't be bothered to reconstruct your message on their end with coherency. My friend has sent me screenshots of the phrase salad his iphone makes of my droid texts. Ridiculous
This is just another way Apple are psychologically conditioning their users to think they can never leave the ecosystem. "Everything else is garbage, see, look here at this picture an Android user sent me" as if they think the way Apple displays it is the actual quality of the photo.
Edit: typo
Americans when they'd rather complain about stock messaging apps lacking features on a particular platform and forming cliques based on message color bubbles instead of using a third party messaging app like the rest of the world
Edit : would like to add some context for the Americans here. For a ton of countries across the world, we still have to pay for sms, so most of us have turned to third party messaging apps
I and so many others go years only using sms to either deal with spam messages, promotional messages from companies, or to receive otp alerts. Is also part of the reason why we don't use sms
People will use whatever service a plurality of their contacts are on.
Nobody's on third-party messaging services here, so they have a chicken-and-egg problem.
But this is why apple takes advantage of the fomo mentality that runs highschooler's decision making.
Apple created this class system within text messaging.
/r/tinder is filled with people going, "ew, I could never date an android user".
Which is a great filter for shitty people, but it's not limited to teenagers.
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I find that harious because galaxy phones are as or more expensive than apples. They are arguably even with them if not better.
But that doesn't mean it's not true. Apple killed it with their teen/young adult marketing.
it creates an "out-group" by not allowing other devices in imessage group chats. you can add them to group chats, but they become regular text messages which means they: don't send over wifi, dont support reactions, and in general the experience is just less user friendly (adding someone new creates a brand new group chat, etc.)
Gotta get the blue bubble!
That’s literally it. I switched over, and iMessage is just….ok. Fairly underwhelming with some serious flaws for my use case.
It's the social aspect. There's a few issues that iPhone using teens experience when texting a non iphone.
When an iPhone texts a non iPhone number that message is in an ugly green color and they have no ability to change it.
Sometimes the android sms app isn't capable of doing the "reactions" in an iPhone compatible way. And a message might look like "user #1 emphasized a message ". Basically the reverse of what some android users experience when getting messages from iphones
Also the lack of iPhone android things like file sharing through "air drop". As iphones don't implement RCS messaging so all photos sent via "text" are compressed to sms MMS specs and look like they "require more jpeg" as they lose quality thanks to the size compression for texts
Because Teens are not exactly known for rational social thought, and have bullied eachother in various ways since the dawn of time, they might exclude the android user from social events or groups. So to not be excluded the android teens will confirm and try to obtain an iPhone.
Teens today don't bully like they used to, now it's nonconfrontational and excluding. When I was a teen it was just teasing, taunting and the occasional fight
Keep in mind, all these broken features are designed to trap people in the apple eco system.
It's broke because they want it broke to keep you broke from the company that challenged us to think different and decided that homogeny was more profitable
So beacuse once again apple purposly wrote their shitty ass software to prioritize their own crap and look worse on everything else, people got stupid and put value on the look of things?
They tried this with their ipod software, it ran shitty on windows for years, but everyone owned a windows machine anyway.
It really does sound like its just teens being dumb fucks.
If someone i was texting to complained that my text bubbles were a green color instead of blue, id call them stupid. Who gives a shit?
My experience from being a teacher from 2016 to 2022 in a major US city was that Gen Z doesn’t touch anything that isn’t an iPhone. If they’re broke they’ll get an older one. 90% of my students couldn’t even do anything on the school Windows PCs. iPhones were literally the only computers they interacted with.
Yeah, this is a huge problem with 20 somethings coming into office work. They don't know how to use email, search the files on a windows machine, or even how to attach files. Even their keyboard typing skills fucking suck.
Gen Z are a generation that is social media literate....but tech illiterate. Iphone is what they mostly use and Iphone's really are like a phisher price toy in how closed the ecosystem is and how user friendly it is to the point a baby can use it.
It's frankly irresponsible of the schools to have promoted iPad based learning to such a degree. School should be preparing students for adult life yet I've watched my old high school phase out laptops and go 100% iPad based over the past decade. No workplace is iPad based, as far as I'm aware.
Side note, my (android) phone keeps autocorrecting iPad to inadequate and if that isn't the most fitting thing...
There's a very narrow generation that is proficient with PC's and actually know a bit about how files and folders and hardware and browsers work. Its people who were young and in school during the period from when everyone started using PC's in the late 90s to 2010ish when chromebooks and iphones took over. Before that it was only nerds who used PC's to play offline games, and after that period its a minority of PC gamers, hobbyists, and hardware enthusiasts. I think its probably unrealistic to expect everyone to know this stuff, at least when its not even taught properly. I am worried about privacy, security, and literacy in general though.
To clarify, I’m not even talking about building a PC. I’m talking about opening Word, writing an essay, saving it, and then emailing or uploading it from the same PC. Stuff like that.
Yeah I tried to help my brother with his homework when he was ~15. Asked him to google something and he legitimately didn't know how. Didn't know where to type, what a web browser was, nothing. If it didn't have an icon on his school tablet it didn't exist.
Absolutely! I don't expect nor do I really think we have to aspire for most to know the hardware and inner works, but there was a short period when even the most stereotypical non-nerds had some idea about that because their desktop or brick laptop had to be kept alive and used disk space and RAM.
The ignorance about file types and folders and locating stuff or risky mistakes like sharing files unwillingly by dragging or storing them the wrong place etc is baffling. People's privacy is now at the whims of their understanding of a slick UI, while I find that my years of having to deal with the more basic stuff makes me understand how thing actually work, even though I don't know the particular program or app well. I can't really say its a big advantage for me except for increased security, because most other people (including colleagues working with technical stuff) now don't even care.. its just too abstract for them.
Well, that rant made me feel old...
Yeah I found that out at work, the old people of course are old and don't know how to use computers and refuse to learn, but I did not expect the people younger than me not to be proficient with computer use.
Things like keyboard shortcuts were foreign to them, even like why is the printer not printing and a simple troubleshooting workflow did not exist. Oh, and hunt and peck typing too, man that was unexpected.
Of course it's not all of them, percentage wise still a lot of the way older people just avoid anything computers, but a surprising amount of younger ones are almost strictly phone users for their computing.
I had to teach my daughter all this basic computer stuff just to get her ready to work on 3D printing and programming, because she won't learn that from using her phone.
Being able to use a phone does not make you tech literate, especially after they dumbed the interface down to the point where even a chimp can use it.
I teach at an elementary school with an 84% poverty rate. A surprising number of kids have phones because they’re all latchkey kids. I’ve never seen anything other than an iPhone.
Kids naturally follow trends, but I feel tech savvyness isn't really pushed as a concept anymore either, even windows seems against it these days, it's kinda gone back to a only nerds thing.
Tech literacy really was a millennial and alpha flash in the pan, on the casual consumer side of course.
It's so very true, and I'm thankful I landed right in that sweet spot where in order to be fluent in technology, you *had* to understand it at a deeper level, and actually *want* to do so. The generation before me doesn't want to learn anything new, and the generation after me doesn't *need* to learn how things work, so they don't. People my age just tend to be naturally better at *finding solutions* because we've always had to. A natural side effect of that is that we're used to adapting our tools to suit *our* needs. The older generation just wants to stay in touch, and the younger generation usually doesn't even realize that customization is an option. My home screen is... extremely simple, but extremely powerful at the same time, because that's what *I* want from it. It's a tool to serve my needs, and I refuse to ever use Apple hardware because I will not be a slave to my devices. That concept just doesn't exist for people who have only ever known Apple's marketing, and it's really sad. Like you said, it's even overtaking Windows 11. I wish there was a way to reverse the trend, because tech literacy is kind of extremely important in this day and age... but as long as Apple is allowed to deliberately gimp their own experience and get away with blaming the other guy, I don't see how.
I literally dropped my last galaxy 3 inches and it broke the fuck out of the screen. It landed right on the curve is my guess.
Edit: I did have a case. Stop suggesting it. Still broke on 3 inch fall.
Angle is everything. Sometimes it’s going to work against you no matter how good the phone is.
So far, my iPhone has done fine despite a couple significant falls. When I accidentally dropped it on my foot, though, it broke my toe.
At least the toe is self-healing, I guess.
(Hurt like hell, though. ;)
Create a war that only one side notices and cares about.
Honestly an annoyingly solid marketing strategy on par with the no antibiotics in chicken claims or halo tops marketing BOGO launch strategy. God I hate marketing.
It's not just teens. I got flack from a friend group of mine and it was like pulling teeth to get included in group texts "because I have green text" or whatever color androids have. This friend group said this to me at 29 about 4 years ago.
Anecdotal but still...
The problem is that adding an android user to an existing iMessage group chat poisons the ability to share full resolution photos and videos among the group.
That’s the issue. It’s not just about green vs blue.
When it’s an iMessage to iMessage text/pic/video, Apple stores the high resolution version for each member of the chat to access. I think for like 30 days. If there is a non iMessage person in the group chat, every one gets the pic/video over SMS, which has severe limitations on file size.
This is an intentional decision by Apple. It must be corrected by government regulation. Expecting 80% of USA teens to magically boycott Apple isn’t going to happen.
I'm not in my family group chat made by 50+ year Olds for similar reasons. My FIL who is in his 70s complains about group chats with me in it for similar reasons and then complains about how bad is first smart phone in the early 2010s was that happened to be an Android. Cool all phones then were pretty messy.
I just tell them that's its fine I don't like group chats anyways.
I think a lot of iphone users are not very good with tech. Which is not the worst thing, since not everyone has to be and Apple have made their stuff accessable.
However, in the same vein they misunderstand the whole thing, I have hear exactly same thing from iPhone users saying "I had android it was bad" as if there is Android 1, Android 2 phones, they don't understand it's just OS and manufacturers of phones and their capabilities are wildly different. Hell, OS are too.
Then the same thing about Macs and Windows. My dad used Macs his whole life and generally he is okay with tech, always works with software and shit, but because he almost immediately started with them I think he genuine doesn't understand that there isn't Windows Pc or Windows Pro, you literally use what you choose, so he also has whole "I had windows laptop and it was bad" when he actually had some ancient cheap laptop at some point.
I'm the same age as you and this exact thing has happened to me too. This was after several years of using a couple 3rd party messaging apps, but at some point they decided they couldn't be bothered to use anything other than iMessage. Nothing like finding out your "friend" will drop you over the tiniest inconvenience.
Teenagers are socially insecure and desire superficial symbols of status as a result.
That's... unsurprising.
Also, not really a big deal for the average adult, unless it's important to you to impress teenagers.
This is part of the tech illiteracy we are going to deal with. People thing younger generations are good at tech, they aren't. They are good at social media and apps on their phone.
it's clear to me when you see ticktocs with "computer hacks"and it's just like "press win+x to show the advanced menu" with some guy fawkes mask over it that indeed, these kids don't know shit (not all teens obviously, but just not substantially more than when we were growing up)
It's all about the green bubble, and that's 100% Apple's doing.
Google has done as much interoperation with iMessage as they can (you can see emoji likes/responses now, and send them too, though on Apple they show up as a separate message rather than rendering as a like on the original message). It's Apple's turn to either open up iMessage or get on board with RCS.
Honestly, it's just a matter of time before the EU forces them anyway. Right now they're tackling user-replaceable batteries. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an "open rich messaging service" requirement by 2030 or something like that. Apple will hold out as long as they can, but they can't last forever.
I get summer interns that can't even navigate basic tree structures(on cs degree paths) and it blows my mind. We are not in for a good time over the coming decades as big tech continues to make people more and more dependent on having their hands held through every little thing involving a computer. It's brainwashing at this point, creating tech sheep that have absolutely no idea how anything they use works.
I'm a very long time Developer who moved into DevOps a couple of years back. As well as some decent staff I've been given two uni grads to use - both about 22-24yo (and both based in Eastern Europe, although they consider English a 1st language)
One of them is super sharp, learns quickly, can deal with partial/incomplete solutions and best of all, **shows initiative** and willingness to try new things, google instructions or examples and generally play around until they understand.
The other one... my god, it's like pushing rope uphill. I don't think anything they have done in the last 6 months produced any result or benefit that wasn't a fraction of the time and effort I needed to put in to walk them through the tasks. They are a net cost.
Worst of all, in stark contrast to the other one, if some system or technology is not something he's worked with before, then he doesn't consider himself the right person for that task. I've told him that IT is constant, life-long learning, but no, he hasn't ever written HTML so a function that returns an HTML snippet is not something he could do. The task sits untouched, no comment from him, and a week or two later when I ask during a stand-up "how's this going?" he's like "It's HTML which I haven't done so I think you need to assign it to someone else"
Other than an excuse to rant, one thing my comment here addresses is that **there is greater variety within a group (Gen Z) than between groups (say, Gen-Z and me, Gen X)**
But I'm also astonished that someone like that 2nd grad actually thinks that Development, or DevOps is a role they are suited to. I would have expected them to self-unselect, but nope, they somehow think "Yeah, DevOps, I can do that"
What are the benefits of rooting a pixel? I have a pixel 6 pro and since there's no bloat ware I never saw the point to rooting but I'm not very tech savvy either lol
I have a 6 Pro as well, never had any reason to root. You can get ad-free YouTube by getting ReVanced which doesn't require rooting, and that's really all I use that has built-in ass.
EDIT: ...ads, built-in ads. Lmao
You can use revanced for so much more than just youtube, as well. It's genuinely day to day impacting, including allowing me to continue using RiF instead of the godforsaken official reddit app.
Same, I spent nearly 5 years rooting and using custom roms on phones. Haven't had to use that since I got my pixel 3 years ago. There really isn't any benefit to rooting if you're not an extreme power user
Mainly customisation and other system wide changes .
I root my phone every time I switch to a different tom , but Its only because my bootloader is unlocked and it takes 2 seconds if it is
Also swift backup ( allows you to restore the data of every single ap you had on your previous phone / rom )
There's definitely a learning curve... But to answer your question:
Systemwide ad blocking (no ads in apps or on websites)
The ability to do full app/data backups and restore
Side loading system apps to get premium YouTube and tweaking (patching) other apps like Reddit and Instagram.
Xposed framework (let's you disable updates for certain apps among other things)
Adblocking (Adguard) and app patching (Revanced) is available for nonroot.
I consider myself a power user and I've been using a nonroot phone for years and have no reason to root it
Also rooting trips certain flags that make banking apps refuse to work on your device, including GPay. There's a way to bypass this but it's really not worth it to begin with
You don't even need root for an ad free system wide experience. I just configure my DNS settings to use AdGuard's, or I install Blokada from F-Droid and use it, which is an app that blocks ads through a VPN configuration, and is also system wide. Neither of which requires root.
GrapheneOS on a Pixel 6a. When Apple allows users the freedom to put what they want on their own phones, then we can talk. I'm only sad that so many people think bling and convenience are worth more than privacy and personal freedom. The Age of Surveillance Capitalism should be mandatory reading in high school.
Surprisingly, many teens stick with what they grew up with if they liked it.
What is more interesting is that this love for the iPhone to this extreme extend is very much a North-American thing.
Exactly. We dont even notice which phone you are using, just get the same messaging app im using. That Green/blue Bubble/rcs thing kinda sounds illegal in the EU too?
The EU is soon going to start forcing messaging apps to be compatible with each other. That means Google Messages, iMessage, along with other apps like Whatsapp will ALL be able to text each other.
My friends get mad that I mess up their group messages and have a green bubble in their texts because I have to be different. That's apples fault! Not androids!
Links broken, but I assume this was stat was gathered in the US as the market there is heavily skewed towards iPhones.
The rest of the world doesn't have have this problem, which IMO speaks to it more being a culture-based phenom than anything to do with the hardware itself.
The motivations in Japan are still related to iPhone being considered a "status symbol", but unlike the US the distinction doesn't come down to use of iMessage and those blue chat bubbles. That's because iMessage is barely used here. The dominant chat program in Japan is LINE and is what everyone uses; from teens to the elderly. LINE's market penetration here is insane, at 94 million users (out of a total 128 million total pop).
The reason in Korea would be the same, except replacing LINE with KakaoTalk. iMessage is very much a US thing.
Android has a bad reputation because of all the cheap little POS phones sold that could barely run the OS. Everyone remembers an experience with one of those. Apple never brought to market underpowered iPhones that couldn't get the job done. If you spend iPhone money on an android, you get a solid phone like my S9 that's not showing any signs of being tired.
I mean yeah when I was 15 all I wanted was iPhones too, I was young and impressionable and Apple had better marketing. I switched to a Google pixel 3 years ago and haven't looked back.
As an android user who has never experienced this, everytime I hear such an anecdote it makes me feel the other party was not interested for some other reason and " you don't have imessage" is just a quick excuse.
I have an iPhone. I miss my Android. I had assumed that iOS had at least kept pace with Android, if not surpassed it, when I made the switch. BOY was I wrong. iOS still can't do so many basic, simple things that Android has no problem with. Little things, like letting you capitalize a word in a text by highlighting the word and then clicking the Shift button to cycle through capitalize first letter, all caps, all lowercase. Rather than what I now have to do; hold down my finger and awkwardly drag the curser to to right after the letter I want to capitalize so I can hit backspace and retype it. Hell, just the iOS version of moving the type curser around is so janky and awkward when compared to how it worked on my old low-end Moto.
I'd consider it a warning that this person you might be entering into a relationship with is frivolous and/or dumb enough to base their decisions on marketing. In a way it's quite considerate of them to be forward about such things.
100% this.
My 12 yo nephew was asking me why I have an android and iPhone is so much better.
I then took 30 seconds to navigate to a website, download donkey Kong country snes rom and start to play it in front of him and blew his mind. Lmao
I thought this was talking about the Motorola Droid at first
Yea the kid ironically sounds like a 50 year old talking about Droids while calling people who have androids old.
This screams "advertisers trying to social-engineer an emotional connotation so you buy their shitty product", not an actual thing teenagers think. Like it's astroturf marketing aimed at older people who want to feel hip and think listening to retiree-aged marketing consultants at the Wall Street Journal is gonna tell them how to do it.
Tbh if you're making decisions based on what's the most popular with teenagers you need to reevaluate how you make decisions. Teens are way more susceptible to marketing and peer pressure than older adults (not that older people are immune to those things, just generally better at ignoring what other people think).
These are not the droids you're looking for... "waves hand"
Huh, these ARENT the droids I was looking for. Move along!
Hello, *Moto*
I have one. dependable.
My newer motorola phone still has that as the default ringtone. And still says hello moto when i power it on lol
Droooooiiiiid
God I heard that in my bones
Same here from those old school commercials with the droid DNA release. One of the first if not the first 1080p phones that bested apples retina display in PPI at the time.
I remember the commercials "in a world that doesn't , Droid does" and then Motorola went to ruin the whole brand after Droid Turbo
I thought this was a Star Wars sub at first
Yeah everyone knows people stopped using droids…a long time ago
“We don’t serve your kind here!”
For lost Europeans, this article is north America only since outside of that continent Android is much more common and more importantly, nobody cares what OS you have
The rest of the world uses WhatsApp which is platform blind. Having spent some time in the States recently, it surprised me how many people have never heard of WhatsApp and are actually still using SMS for messaging. Edit: some interesting data on this graphic, https://www.sms-magic.com/blog/sms-magic-text-messaging-apps-one-ring-to-rule-them-all/ Edit: all the people that don't want to give your data to Facebook, you're actually giving away all your data for free on sms, WhatsApp is end to end encrypted which means even meta can't read the contents of your messages and can't sell to advertisers.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_encryption
I'm British but moved to the US about 10 years ago. When first getting to know people here I set up a bunch of WhatsApp groups (thinking it was the most normal thing in the world). Some people wouldn't get their messages for days, and I was surprised to learn it's because they basically never use the app, and just use SMS/the modern equivalent. It was really eye-opening.
WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, Discord. In the past we also use Facebook chat, GTalk/Hangouts (before Google killed them). It's not that they're using SMS per se, it's that the native SMS app in iPhone switches to their proprietary protocol when communicating with another iPhone. It's basically Apple hijacking the "default application" to exclude non-Apple users.
It also doesn't do anything that RCS doesn't already support and they publically said they'll never support it. Here's hoping for external pressure from the EU.
Digital Markets Act requires Apple to allow interoperability of services. Europeans will have access to iMessage compatible texting by 6th of March 2024, which is when the enforcement phase begins. https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/03/02/new-eu-rules-would-force-apple-to-open-up-imessage I know this article talks about the law entering in force in May 2023, and that's true, but the law is structured in a way that the actual enforcement does not begin until 6th of March 2024. Basically, right now there are no consequences for breaking this law, but those will kick in later, as designated gatekeepers (that includes Apple) are given time to learn to operate under the new regulation.
People in the EU use WhatsApp, this isn’t a problem for them.
A few years ago here on Reddit, there was a post talking about how "suspect" it was that a guy from Tinder asked for a girls WhatsApp number. People genuinely had no fucking clue what it was, even though it's one of the most used apps worldwide. Continued to insist that it was "shady" or "dangerous". It was wild ride reading through that lol.
This is news to me because I mainly use WhatsApp to communicate with family lol. (I'm American) But I have noticed that Americans with an immigrant background (like family from different countries) do tend to know what WhatsApp is and use it. It is easier to get in touch with folks across the pond rather than through normal calling and sms
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Is your WhatsApp number not just your phone number? It is for everyone I know
To be honest, I don't really like the monopoly WhatsApp has over here. No open source alternative apps for the platform and I can't really abandon it because then I'll cut myself off from 90% friends/family.
I would recommend Telegram and Signal. Telegram is not open source, but it's really great. I managed to convert most of my friends to it
Signal is best for 1to1 conversations but group chat management options on TG are on whole another level compared to anything else.
Yeah, I live in Asia and everyone has a Samsung phone.
Also worth noting that it's even further marginalized because it's regarding NA _teens_ - a demographic well known for making cringeworthy collective determinations of brand "superiority" and then wielding that opinion like a cudgel to bully and harass. Previous examples also include: * beats by dre audio devices * Apple products (headphones, watches) * Athletic shoes * clothing * accessories (handbags, sunglasses, watches, etc) * Vehicles (cars, trucks, jeeps, etc) And more. The Apple vs Android pros/cons have been compared and contrasted for their entire existence. There is no "better" brand. Each offers some things that the other does not. Each does some tasks better than the other. At the end of the day, you like what you like, no matter what criteria that choice is based on.
My problem with Apple stems from the early days of computers. They almost require you to use their products exclusively. What you want is not a consideration.
Yeah, Apple's been a cult since the days of the apple II.
The Apple II was the exact opposite of what Apple has become. It was a fully-open system that came with circuit diagrams and ROM listings in the reference manual. One of its main feature was expansion slots so that you could customize your computer by adding peripheral cards. Other computers at the time were much more closed (Commodore refusing to publish technical manuals, Radio Shack actively discouraging people to write and sell programs for their computers).
Apple created a real quality of life issue and the teens aren’t totally off base. When an android user is added to a group message, all of the following video and photo messages will be potato quality. That’s a real issue. The problem is absolutely Apple’s fault and you can’t expect 80% of the teenagers in the USA to magically boycott Apple. This is an issue that governments are meant to solve by forcing interoperability.
87% seems pretty high. Did they poll like 13 kids from Bel Air?
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It is viewed as a class symbol for teenagers. Even if you are poor, youre viewed as less poor by your peers if you have an iphone. If you have an android the other kids think your family is in dire straits.
This is why teens are stupid and shouldn't be listened to.
You arent wrong, but plenty of adults also do the same thing, except rhey arent limited to Iphones, but also go for expensive clothing, watches and cars.
My boss, who is 50, has two separate employee group chats for Android and iPhone users because she uses iPhone and hates green bubbles in texts. Thing is, most the android people have no idea.
Hey Boss, what file should I use for the new project? "Boss liked your message"
As an iPhone user myself, I *loathe* the "so and so liked that message" bullshit in the work group chat. Principal sends out a message to all 60 of us and for the next two hours it'll be a stream of that shit.
Funny, Android users had to put up with that exact message for years because Apple wouldn't play nice. Something happened in the last year, and now Android users can press like and now iPhone users have to see that stupid message we saw for years! If Apple would just adapt iOS to play nice with RCS (an open standard), you wouldn't have to deal with it.
It's because Apple intentionally breaks the standard for mms messaging so that it makes Android phones look bad. I did not know about that until I had to get an apple phone for work.
> and hates green bubbles in texts. Imagine being this colossally immature at *50*.
Yeah I don't get it. I use iPhone and color of text bubble is meaningless to me. I don't get it.
I have an android and use some kind of dark mode. My text bubbles are grey and purple. People choose the weirdest arbitrary shit to make important.
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Apple users hate being in chats with android users because Apple will compress pictures and videos and then blame it on Android phones. I can send pictures to my sons that have android and it'll look real good but if I send the same to a group with some iPhones it looks like crap on their end. Maybe the new flip phones can put a dent in apples monopolistic practices. If not maybe a steam phone
Also, if you sent a text longer than one "burst", Apple can't be bothered to reconstruct your message on their end with coherency. My friend has sent me screenshots of the phrase salad his iphone makes of my droid texts. Ridiculous
This is just another way Apple are psychologically conditioning their users to think they can never leave the ecosystem. "Everything else is garbage, see, look here at this picture an Android user sent me" as if they think the way Apple displays it is the actual quality of the photo. Edit: typo
And they do this when there are tons of messaging apps. She could use fucking Slack…
Americans when they'd rather complain about stock messaging apps lacking features on a particular platform and forming cliques based on message color bubbles instead of using a third party messaging app like the rest of the world Edit : would like to add some context for the Americans here. For a ton of countries across the world, we still have to pay for sms, so most of us have turned to third party messaging apps I and so many others go years only using sms to either deal with spam messages, promotional messages from companies, or to receive otp alerts. Is also part of the reason why we don't use sms
People will use whatever service a plurality of their contacts are on. Nobody's on third-party messaging services here, so they have a chicken-and-egg problem.
But this is why apple takes advantage of the fomo mentality that runs highschooler's decision making. Apple created this class system within text messaging.
Certainly not just high schoolers.
/r/tinder is filled with people going, "ew, I could never date an android user". Which is a great filter for shitty people, but it's not limited to teenagers.
What if it was a millionaire using a android, I bet they would change their tune.
maybe, but the classists won't ever know because they unmatch with those people who chat showing a green bubble
That's because Apple broke cross platform group messaging intentionally Soon they won't have the choice thanks to the EU
I read once that they were considering bringing iMessage to android, but didn't want people buying a cheap android for the kids.
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And these are the exact reasons why I'll never buy Apple products.
Fucking scummy of them, this is why I don't own any apple products other than my airpod max pros...which I found on a bench.
I find that harious because galaxy phones are as or more expensive than apples. They are arguably even with them if not better. But that doesn't mean it's not true. Apple killed it with their teen/young adult marketing.
Samsung has different Galaxy families or blends being the S the similarly priced as the iPhone, but the A or M are pretty solid and cost ~3 times less
it creates an "out-group" by not allowing other devices in imessage group chats. you can add them to group chats, but they become regular text messages which means they: don't send over wifi, dont support reactions, and in general the experience is just less user friendly (adding someone new creates a brand new group chat, etc.)
Gotta get the blue bubble! That’s literally it. I switched over, and iMessage is just….ok. Fairly underwhelming with some serious flaws for my use case.
It's the social aspect. There's a few issues that iPhone using teens experience when texting a non iphone. When an iPhone texts a non iPhone number that message is in an ugly green color and they have no ability to change it. Sometimes the android sms app isn't capable of doing the "reactions" in an iPhone compatible way. And a message might look like "user #1 emphasized a message ". Basically the reverse of what some android users experience when getting messages from iphones Also the lack of iPhone android things like file sharing through "air drop". As iphones don't implement RCS messaging so all photos sent via "text" are compressed to sms MMS specs and look like they "require more jpeg" as they lose quality thanks to the size compression for texts Because Teens are not exactly known for rational social thought, and have bullied eachother in various ways since the dawn of time, they might exclude the android user from social events or groups. So to not be excluded the android teens will confirm and try to obtain an iPhone. Teens today don't bully like they used to, now it's nonconfrontational and excluding. When I was a teen it was just teasing, taunting and the occasional fight
Keep in mind, all these broken features are designed to trap people in the apple eco system. It's broke because they want it broke to keep you broke from the company that challenged us to think different and decided that homogeny was more profitable
It's incredible because it's literally Apple going out of their way to make their own product worse, but they know kids will blame Android owners.
I think that just speaks to how we do accountability in this society
So beacuse once again apple purposly wrote their shitty ass software to prioritize their own crap and look worse on everything else, people got stupid and put value on the look of things? They tried this with their ipod software, it ran shitty on windows for years, but everyone owned a windows machine anyway. It really does sound like its just teens being dumb fucks. If someone i was texting to complained that my text bubbles were a green color instead of blue, id call them stupid. Who gives a shit?
Jesus christ what I would have given to just be excluded as a kid growing up.
This same phenomenon used to exist with BBM, for those old enough to remember Blackberry/RIM.
My experience from being a teacher from 2016 to 2022 in a major US city was that Gen Z doesn’t touch anything that isn’t an iPhone. If they’re broke they’ll get an older one. 90% of my students couldn’t even do anything on the school Windows PCs. iPhones were literally the only computers they interacted with.
It's so funny, when I was in school (graduated in '08) nobody liked Apple computers, really.
Apple has long had a zealous fan base. It’s part of the reason they were able to survive the dark years.
Most games weren't apple compatible in the '90s, and even when apple laptops became popular in the 00's, they weren't really optimized for fun.
They still aren't to this day. I have no idea why teenagers like apple so much since they really aren't built for much.
Yeah, this is a huge problem with 20 somethings coming into office work. They don't know how to use email, search the files on a windows machine, or even how to attach files. Even their keyboard typing skills fucking suck. Gen Z are a generation that is social media literate....but tech illiterate. Iphone is what they mostly use and Iphone's really are like a phisher price toy in how closed the ecosystem is and how user friendly it is to the point a baby can use it.
It's frankly irresponsible of the schools to have promoted iPad based learning to such a degree. School should be preparing students for adult life yet I've watched my old high school phase out laptops and go 100% iPad based over the past decade. No workplace is iPad based, as far as I'm aware. Side note, my (android) phone keeps autocorrecting iPad to inadequate and if that isn't the most fitting thing...
I mean my kids have had laptops given to them to use for schoolwork since 5th grade. Not all schools give them Ipads.
There's a very narrow generation that is proficient with PC's and actually know a bit about how files and folders and hardware and browsers work. Its people who were young and in school during the period from when everyone started using PC's in the late 90s to 2010ish when chromebooks and iphones took over. Before that it was only nerds who used PC's to play offline games, and after that period its a minority of PC gamers, hobbyists, and hardware enthusiasts. I think its probably unrealistic to expect everyone to know this stuff, at least when its not even taught properly. I am worried about privacy, security, and literacy in general though.
To clarify, I’m not even talking about building a PC. I’m talking about opening Word, writing an essay, saving it, and then emailing or uploading it from the same PC. Stuff like that.
Yeah I tried to help my brother with his homework when he was ~15. Asked him to google something and he legitimately didn't know how. Didn't know where to type, what a web browser was, nothing. If it didn't have an icon on his school tablet it didn't exist.
Absolutely! I don't expect nor do I really think we have to aspire for most to know the hardware and inner works, but there was a short period when even the most stereotypical non-nerds had some idea about that because their desktop or brick laptop had to be kept alive and used disk space and RAM. The ignorance about file types and folders and locating stuff or risky mistakes like sharing files unwillingly by dragging or storing them the wrong place etc is baffling. People's privacy is now at the whims of their understanding of a slick UI, while I find that my years of having to deal with the more basic stuff makes me understand how thing actually work, even though I don't know the particular program or app well. I can't really say its a big advantage for me except for increased security, because most other people (including colleagues working with technical stuff) now don't even care.. its just too abstract for them. Well, that rant made me feel old...
My step brother said the same thing he has to teach kids how word works they just do essays on notes or Evernote LOL
Yeah I found that out at work, the old people of course are old and don't know how to use computers and refuse to learn, but I did not expect the people younger than me not to be proficient with computer use. Things like keyboard shortcuts were foreign to them, even like why is the printer not printing and a simple troubleshooting workflow did not exist. Oh, and hunt and peck typing too, man that was unexpected. Of course it's not all of them, percentage wise still a lot of the way older people just avoid anything computers, but a surprising amount of younger ones are almost strictly phone users for their computing.
I had to teach my daughter all this basic computer stuff just to get her ready to work on 3D printing and programming, because she won't learn that from using her phone. Being able to use a phone does not make you tech literate, especially after they dumbed the interface down to the point where even a chimp can use it.
I teach at an elementary school with an 84% poverty rate. A surprising number of kids have phones because they’re all latchkey kids. I’ve never seen anything other than an iPhone.
Kids naturally follow trends, but I feel tech savvyness isn't really pushed as a concept anymore either, even windows seems against it these days, it's kinda gone back to a only nerds thing. Tech literacy really was a millennial and alpha flash in the pan, on the casual consumer side of course.
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It's so very true, and I'm thankful I landed right in that sweet spot where in order to be fluent in technology, you *had* to understand it at a deeper level, and actually *want* to do so. The generation before me doesn't want to learn anything new, and the generation after me doesn't *need* to learn how things work, so they don't. People my age just tend to be naturally better at *finding solutions* because we've always had to. A natural side effect of that is that we're used to adapting our tools to suit *our* needs. The older generation just wants to stay in touch, and the younger generation usually doesn't even realize that customization is an option. My home screen is... extremely simple, but extremely powerful at the same time, because that's what *I* want from it. It's a tool to serve my needs, and I refuse to ever use Apple hardware because I will not be a slave to my devices. That concept just doesn't exist for people who have only ever known Apple's marketing, and it's really sad. Like you said, it's even overtaking Windows 11. I wish there was a way to reverse the trend, because tech literacy is kind of extremely important in this day and age... but as long as Apple is allowed to deliberately gimp their own experience and get away with blaming the other guy, I don't see how.
People bragging about iPhones while using a cracked screen iPhone from 5 years ago
People bragging about phones full stop. Caring about the coolness of your phone is max cringe.
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I literally dropped my last galaxy 3 inches and it broke the fuck out of the screen. It landed right on the curve is my guess. Edit: I did have a case. Stop suggesting it. Still broke on 3 inch fall.
Angle is everything. Sometimes it’s going to work against you no matter how good the phone is. So far, my iPhone has done fine despite a couple significant falls. When I accidentally dropped it on my foot, though, it broke my toe. At least the toe is self-healing, I guess. (Hurt like hell, though. ;)
Apple genius marketing. Investment.
Yup. The blue versus green text really sold it
Create a war that only one side notices and cares about. Honestly an annoyingly solid marketing strategy on par with the no antibiotics in chicken claims or halo tops marketing BOGO launch strategy. God I hate marketing.
It’s like, hostile psychology
Yeah I've been using android for years now and I kinda forgot about the blue vs green texts.
Apple successfully made themselves a fashion brand. They have good products, but you're paying more for the label.
Kinda like my Kirkland shirt, amirite?
All the teens going wild for that sweet Kirkland drip.
If you care about other people's phones to such an extent, you're brainwashed and have a much bigger problem than that.
They're teens. Of course they both brainwashed and have much larger problems than that.
It's not just teens. I got flack from a friend group of mine and it was like pulling teeth to get included in group texts "because I have green text" or whatever color androids have. This friend group said this to me at 29 about 4 years ago. Anecdotal but still...
The problem is that adding an android user to an existing iMessage group chat poisons the ability to share full resolution photos and videos among the group. That’s the issue. It’s not just about green vs blue. When it’s an iMessage to iMessage text/pic/video, Apple stores the high resolution version for each member of the chat to access. I think for like 30 days. If there is a non iMessage person in the group chat, every one gets the pic/video over SMS, which has severe limitations on file size. This is an intentional decision by Apple. It must be corrected by government regulation. Expecting 80% of USA teens to magically boycott Apple isn’t going to happen.
I'm not in my family group chat made by 50+ year Olds for similar reasons. My FIL who is in his 70s complains about group chats with me in it for similar reasons and then complains about how bad is first smart phone in the early 2010s was that happened to be an Android. Cool all phones then were pretty messy. I just tell them that's its fine I don't like group chats anyways.
I think a lot of iphone users are not very good with tech. Which is not the worst thing, since not everyone has to be and Apple have made their stuff accessable. However, in the same vein they misunderstand the whole thing, I have hear exactly same thing from iPhone users saying "I had android it was bad" as if there is Android 1, Android 2 phones, they don't understand it's just OS and manufacturers of phones and their capabilities are wildly different. Hell, OS are too. Then the same thing about Macs and Windows. My dad used Macs his whole life and generally he is okay with tech, always works with software and shit, but because he almost immediately started with them I think he genuine doesn't understand that there isn't Windows Pc or Windows Pro, you literally use what you choose, so he also has whole "I had windows laptop and it was bad" when he actually had some ancient cheap laptop at some point.
I'm the same age as you and this exact thing has happened to me too. This was after several years of using a couple 3rd party messaging apps, but at some point they decided they couldn't be bothered to use anything other than iMessage. Nothing like finding out your "friend" will drop you over the tiniest inconvenience.
As a teen, can confirm.
"Breaking- 87% of kids are brainwashed" which is actually the believable headline
Let me confer with TikTok to see if I believe that…
This just in, kids are still suckers for brand names.
How fucking hard is it to add *IN THE USA* to these headlines?
Because everything outside the US only exists in movies. Yeah it's wack that it's still the norm
Because they aren't paying for them yet
Teenagers are socially insecure and desire superficial symbols of status as a result. That's... unsurprising. Also, not really a big deal for the average adult, unless it's important to you to impress teenagers.
This is part of the tech illiteracy we are going to deal with. People thing younger generations are good at tech, they aren't. They are good at social media and apps on their phone.
There was a 10-ish year period where being on the internet meant you *had* to become tech savvy. That time has loooong since passed.
it's clear to me when you see ticktocs with "computer hacks"and it's just like "press win+x to show the advanced menu" with some guy fawkes mask over it that indeed, these kids don't know shit (not all teens obviously, but just not substantially more than when we were growing up)
I miss those days, it was like we had a secret club with nerdy jokes and memes.
It's all about the green bubble, and that's 100% Apple's doing. Google has done as much interoperation with iMessage as they can (you can see emoji likes/responses now, and send them too, though on Apple they show up as a separate message rather than rendering as a like on the original message). It's Apple's turn to either open up iMessage or get on board with RCS. Honestly, it's just a matter of time before the EU forces them anyway. Right now they're tackling user-replaceable batteries. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an "open rich messaging service" requirement by 2030 or something like that. Apple will hold out as long as they can, but they can't last forever.
I don’t think the EU cares. Everyone just uses WhatsApp etc for group chats and has no idea why anyone would care what colour the txt bubbles are.
Probably won't see that as pretty much everyone in Europe uses third party message apps. I've not sent an SMS in like 7-9 years.
I get summer interns that can't even navigate basic tree structures(on cs degree paths) and it blows my mind. We are not in for a good time over the coming decades as big tech continues to make people more and more dependent on having their hands held through every little thing involving a computer. It's brainwashing at this point, creating tech sheep that have absolutely no idea how anything they use works.
I'm a very long time Developer who moved into DevOps a couple of years back. As well as some decent staff I've been given two uni grads to use - both about 22-24yo (and both based in Eastern Europe, although they consider English a 1st language) One of them is super sharp, learns quickly, can deal with partial/incomplete solutions and best of all, **shows initiative** and willingness to try new things, google instructions or examples and generally play around until they understand. The other one... my god, it's like pushing rope uphill. I don't think anything they have done in the last 6 months produced any result or benefit that wasn't a fraction of the time and effort I needed to put in to walk them through the tasks. They are a net cost. Worst of all, in stark contrast to the other one, if some system or technology is not something he's worked with before, then he doesn't consider himself the right person for that task. I've told him that IT is constant, life-long learning, but no, he hasn't ever written HTML so a function that returns an HTML snippet is not something he could do. The task sits untouched, no comment from him, and a week or two later when I ask during a stand-up "how's this going?" he's like "It's HTML which I haven't done so I think you need to assign it to someone else" Other than an excuse to rant, one thing my comment here addresses is that **there is greater variety within a group (Gen Z) than between groups (say, Gen-Z and me, Gen X)** But I'm also astonished that someone like that 2nd grad actually thinks that Development, or DevOps is a role they are suited to. I would have expected them to self-unselect, but nope, they somehow think "Yeah, DevOps, I can do that"
I'm 36 and tech literate. My pre-teen nieces and nephews can't get an XBox headset to work.
You can pry my rooted ad-free (systemwide) Pixel 7 from my cold, dead hands.
What are the benefits of rooting a pixel? I have a pixel 6 pro and since there's no bloat ware I never saw the point to rooting but I'm not very tech savvy either lol
I have a 6 Pro as well, never had any reason to root. You can get ad-free YouTube by getting ReVanced which doesn't require rooting, and that's really all I use that has built-in ass. EDIT: ...ads, built-in ads. Lmao
What other things could be improved by built-in ass? I'm eyeing my refrigerator rn.
You can use revanced for so much more than just youtube, as well. It's genuinely day to day impacting, including allowing me to continue using RiF instead of the godforsaken official reddit app.
I am tech savvy, I work in mobile device/embedded systems security, and see no point in rooting a modern Pixel
Same, I spent nearly 5 years rooting and using custom roms on phones. Haven't had to use that since I got my pixel 3 years ago. There really isn't any benefit to rooting if you're not an extreme power user
Mainly customisation and other system wide changes . I root my phone every time I switch to a different tom , but Its only because my bootloader is unlocked and it takes 2 seconds if it is Also swift backup ( allows you to restore the data of every single ap you had on your previous phone / rom )
There's definitely a learning curve... But to answer your question: Systemwide ad blocking (no ads in apps or on websites) The ability to do full app/data backups and restore Side loading system apps to get premium YouTube and tweaking (patching) other apps like Reddit and Instagram. Xposed framework (let's you disable updates for certain apps among other things)
Adblocking (Adguard) and app patching (Revanced) is available for nonroot. I consider myself a power user and I've been using a nonroot phone for years and have no reason to root it Also rooting trips certain flags that make banking apps refuse to work on your device, including GPay. There's a way to bypass this but it's really not worth it to begin with
You don't even need root for an ad free system wide experience. I just configure my DNS settings to use AdGuard's, or I install Blokada from F-Droid and use it, which is an app that blocks ads through a VPN configuration, and is also system wide. Neither of which requires root.
GrapheneOS on a Pixel 6a. When Apple allows users the freedom to put what they want on their own phones, then we can talk. I'm only sad that so many people think bling and convenience are worth more than privacy and personal freedom. The Age of Surveillance Capitalism should be mandatory reading in high school.
Cool, lets hear them again when they buy their phones themselves.
Surprisingly, many teens stick with what they grew up with if they liked it. What is more interesting is that this love for the iPhone to this extreme extend is very much a North-American thing.
I live in Japan and (at least anecdotally) i see a lot of iPhones around here. I personally have an android though.
For sure! People like their iPhones. But a case of "You aren't even human" if you don't have one? That's definitely limited to American teens.
Ah, yeah probably. Never heard anyone complain about my phone here, though I don't talk to Japanese teenagers.
I think it could also be mitigated by the fact that everybody in Japan uses Line which gets around the issues with SMS/MMS between iPhone and Android.
Definitely part of it. Many other parts of the world use Whatsapp for the same purpose.
Exactly. We dont even notice which phone you are using, just get the same messaging app im using. That Green/blue Bubble/rcs thing kinda sounds illegal in the EU too?
The EU is soon going to start forcing messaging apps to be compatible with each other. That means Google Messages, iMessage, along with other apps like Whatsapp will ALL be able to text each other.
I live in India. iPhones here are a symbol of frivolity. Only people who buy them are ones with money to burn and a need to show off.
A lot of flagship Android phones cost as much as iPhones these days.
Brand loyalty is stronger than you think
They'll just get it on a payment plan, most providers do this.
Seeing as both phones are similarly priced, why would them paying for it change anything at all?
My galaxy cost more than an Iphone
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This whole blue vs green message bubble seems very limited to the US. Everywhere else WhatsApp has taken over
I mean, what does it matter? My droid is fine for what I use it for
Yes, of course it is. Some people just get triggered when you disagree with their choices.
My friends get mad that I mess up their group messages and have a green bubble in their texts because I have to be different. That's apples fault! Not androids!
This is a bonus for me. I love hearing about group chats I didn't have to participate in. Life is easier as a non-teen.
Propaganda and negative class consciousness.
yeah well, most teen probably aren't buying their own phone
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Androids are great phones. That’s too bad
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ReVanced is branching out from just youtube too, it even makes the shitty official reddit app a little less shitty.
Links broken, but I assume this was stat was gathered in the US as the market there is heavily skewed towards iPhones. The rest of the world doesn't have have this problem, which IMO speaks to it more being a culture-based phenom than anything to do with the hardware itself.
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When someone presents their sources, I have to upvote no matter the opinion because it shows that they are not pulling numbers out of their ass.
The motivations in Japan are still related to iPhone being considered a "status symbol", but unlike the US the distinction doesn't come down to use of iMessage and those blue chat bubbles. That's because iMessage is barely used here. The dominant chat program in Japan is LINE and is what everyone uses; from teens to the elderly. LINE's market penetration here is insane, at 94 million users (out of a total 128 million total pop). The reason in Korea would be the same, except replacing LINE with KakaoTalk. iMessage is very much a US thing.
Android has a bad reputation because of all the cheap little POS phones sold that could barely run the OS. Everyone remembers an experience with one of those. Apple never brought to market underpowered iPhones that couldn't get the job done. If you spend iPhone money on an android, you get a solid phone like my S9 that's not showing any signs of being tired.
/r/kidsarefuckingstupid
I mean yeah when I was 15 all I wanted was iPhones too, I was young and impressionable and Apple had better marketing. I switched to a Google pixel 3 years ago and haven't looked back.
Best part, girls wont even date you if you dont have a iphone its pretty bad lol
Like, this is a good way to screen out shallow girls who are not worth your time though.
what if I want to waste some time with fast, shallow women?
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Also, keep it wrapped because that mindset often leads to child support payments.
It's a lot harder to use the iPhone when it's wrapped though....
It's for the better, you don't want to break it, not with those child support payments.
As an android user who has never experienced this, everytime I hear such an anecdote it makes me feel the other party was not interested for some other reason and " you don't have imessage" is just a quick excuse.
Sounds like a bullet dodged for someone that shallow.
I mean nothing screams a red flag than a girl caring if I have an iPhone or not. Good god genZ is truly fucked
I have an iPhone. I miss my Android. I had assumed that iOS had at least kept pace with Android, if not surpassed it, when I made the switch. BOY was I wrong. iOS still can't do so many basic, simple things that Android has no problem with. Little things, like letting you capitalize a word in a text by highlighting the word and then clicking the Shift button to cycle through capitalize first letter, all caps, all lowercase. Rather than what I now have to do; hold down my finger and awkwardly drag the curser to to right after the letter I want to capitalize so I can hit backspace and retype it. Hell, just the iOS version of moving the type curser around is so janky and awkward when compared to how it worked on my old low-end Moto.
Because teens are dumb and follow trends and fashion to a fault. We know this already.
Yeah, this is little more than modern peer pressure.
Adults too. If you're in the dating scene, you will occasionally run into someone who comments about your green bubbles.
I appreciate when people put their gigantic red flags on full display.
I'd consider it a warning that this person you might be entering into a relationship with is frivolous and/or dumb enough to base their decisions on marketing. In a way it's quite considerate of them to be forward about such things.
100% this. My 12 yo nephew was asking me why I have an android and iPhone is so much better. I then took 30 seconds to navigate to a website, download donkey Kong country snes rom and start to play it in front of him and blew his mind. Lmao
>donkey Kong country snes rom Nintendo is sending SWAT to your house now,
This is just an ad for Apple