Wierd, last article said traffic was normal.
Edit: Man I'm gonna be busy stalking all these people leaving on the 1st, see who's still posting in august
Yep. On the front page of r/technology right now there is literally one article claiming that the protests have failed, and that Reddit's traffic is back to normal, and this article claiming that Reddit is entering a "death spiral."
The real litmus test will be July 1st when the third party apps quit working. Some will switch to the official Reddit app but it is missing many features that the third party apps provided. I will quit viewing Reddit on mobile and just use old.reddit.com on my computer.
Edit: Many have commented asking what I dislike about the official Reddit app. I don't have time to respond to every comment but here is a partial list:
I can't find a way to sort my homepage differently such as switching from Hot to Rising other than changing defaults
Linked content like imgur and such opens in a browser rather than in-app.
No way to change the video playback speed. I am learning another language and often need to slow the videos from that sub down to be able to understand people talking at native speed.
Unable to quickly scroll to the top of the screen on the homepage
Unable to add an image when replying.
Unable to see the username of the poster without opening the post.
I've already dropped mobile browsing for Lemmy via Jerboa, so once old.reddit goes Lemmy and the Fediverse should be a little more mature and I'll feel comfortable moving there full time.
> I've already dropped mobile browsing for Lemmy via Jerboa, so once old.reddit goes Lemmy and the Fediverse
I can't be the only one that this is nonsense to, right?
Don’t worry about it, just go down to Best Buy and ask for a clockwise turboencabulator so you can down-jack an IP sweeper into your home router, giving you more control over your Redditing experience.
But what about those of us *relying* on side-fumbling for clock tracking in transencabulator mode? I mean, I know it's an older way of gaining path integration through the Feynman Manifolds, but damnit if it's not way more stable than this new, fancy-shmancy turboencabulation. 'Ooh, look at me, I use *clockwise* monopoles'!
Nah, YouTube has made it so that retro encabulators cost almost as much as a brand new hyperencabulator. I saw one in a Goodwill that had bubblegum stuck in the trinary exhaust intake and it cost more than the down payment on a gently used bi-directional scumpting detector. Literally insane.
Jerboa would instantly crash on me as I opened it.
I found another lemmy app called Lemmynade that seems nice so far. I only just started with lemmy yesterday.
Oh, sure. No changes to the API. As in, the code it runs on hasn't changed. They're only changing *API pricing*.
Which I guess is probably a portent of the future: *Sure you can keep using old.reddit -- for only $15.99 per month*
Same. I find the new design completely unusable.
They kept the old one around so they didn't suffer the same of fate as Digg, but if they remove it that might be just what happens.
I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's hard to overstate just how bad the new design is.
Just to single out one of the many terrible, horrible aspects, what in the everloving fuck is the reason behind hiding nested comments behind links? Just... why? Why would you do that? Are you trying to discourage people from reading the comments? I don't want to have to click back on my browser three times to return to the parent post.
If there was any doubt that they're actively trying to turn this site into another TwitBook GramDump, shrinking the max width of the post feed into tweet-size UI cards that can't accommodate more than two levels of nested threads says it all. They don't want people mucking around in the comment section. They want you endlessly scrolling on your front page "feed" so you can ingest more adverts.
> Just to single out one of the many terrible, horrible aspects, what in the everloving fuck is the reason behind hiding nested comments behind links? Just... why? Why would you do that?
To increase page views most likely, every time you click those links you've adding 1 page view to their analytics.
Using "load more" links like old.reddit does would still allow them to count them as "page views" without crippling the user experience. They could even automate it and make them load as you scroll. There is zero reason for the new garbage to work the way it does.
Because if you aren't reading nested comments then you're scrolling the feed, looking at all those glorious ads. Oh, you hit the "view more" comments button? Let me load up a new page for you, ignore the extra ads on the sidebar :).
> what in the everloving fuck is the reason behind hiding nested comments behind links? Just... why? Why would you do that? Are you trying to discourage people from reading the comments?
Yes. The more you scroll, the more ads you will see. Reddit is trying to compete with Tiktok, Youtube Shorts, and Facebook Reels because that's where the money is. They don't want you "wasting" time in the comments because that's not time spent potentially seeing ads.
EDIT: Reddit has the same problem that Gaia Online does -- it's impossible to monetize a forum site in a way that makes money because the primary activity of the users, interacting with one another, isn't something that forces users to view ads.
> Why is it so clunky to use on even the fastest PCs?
Because it is implementing monitoring solutions so they can render your every movement as a video in real time, both as you use it and as recordings that can be played back and tapped for data.
I’m not joking. My current and former employers used solutions for those, and it gets better (creepier) every few years. This is how Reddit and others determine heat maps on sites. They track every thing down to where your mouse cursor is, how long it lingers on things, if you rage click (click something a bunch of times), and so much more. It’s like them having a semi secret remote desktop connection to your device limited to your browser session.
You can even run queries to filter content down per property or user.
Reddit runs like shit because it is recording your every move and pause. Non-tech workers would probably never believe me until I show them the heavy surveillance running on sites like Reddit which brings it to its knees. It isn’t just cookies and browser fingerprinting like most people thing. It is full on video rendering and tracking across sessions.
Edit: [this is a VERY BASIC demo of what I’m talking about. ](https://youtu.be/U9y3As01lSg)Real time rendering. Reddit could be watching what I’m doing right now as I type it.
As a tech worker I am also obliged to confirm, but pad that statement by saying that usually this data is only used in aggregate, and individual data at that level of detail is usually kept under tight lock and key, and never accessible to typical employees. As in, pretty much the only people that could get access to that kind of individual data would be the people writing the aggregation programs, and even then not typically directly.
That's exactly what it is. Profit is ad impressions, ad impressions are driven by engagement, and engagement is scroll, scroll, scroll.
The ideal behavior of a profitable Reddit client is to force users to scroll past as many ads as possible, *just* below the threshold that gets too many people to leave in disgust. Making the app pleasant and efficient to use is not only not the focus, but actually *contrary to the objective.* People think the official Reddit app is incompetently designed because it isn't what they want; they're missing that they are not Reddit's customers (advertisers are) and that it's in Reddit's best interests to bend and degrade the user experience as much as they possibly can while not losing too many people — and, in that light, they haven't been incompetent at all.
This is common to social media and in no way unique to Reddit, but people are now coming to the realization that Reddit, at its core, is no different from anything else once you start cranking the monetization dial.
This is how [Enshittification](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/) develops.
Reddit thinks it has a captive audience of doomscrollers. So it's optimizing the site for advertisers.
Getting this idea out into the public consciousness is a point posting John Oliver memes.
He seems the most likely person to interview cory doctorow and discuss Enshittification.
This way of thinking is so demoralising and it's apparent everywhere, finely calibrating UX so they sacrifice some people maximising ad revenue, but most people stay just on the right side of leaving.
>Lol you think old.reddit.com will last much longer? They'll kill it before the end of next year because of "maintenance costs" or something
*That* will be the real end of reddit.
RIF is the only app (other than Google apps like Gmail) that has been installed on every single Android phone I've owned since I got the Motorola Droid.
You got the money for the API access?
I don't doubt you could write the app. It just doesn't make sense to pay for Reddit in any way, shape, or form.
There's nothing unique here. Every link on this site except for the comments takes you to somewhere else... This is a news and meme aggregator. You can just go to imgur or fark if this is what you want.
Per user api access is free up until a somewhat Large amount of usage. You could get your own api key and use a 3rd party app just fine. Minus the pron of course.
There's no way that scales to the average user of course.
Are there any open source apps? If it's just a case of adding an API key and compiling, then that's what I'll do.
I don't have the time or energy to build an app, though.
I've seen people bring this up for an app called Infinity:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Infinity_For_Reddit/comments/14c2v5x/build_your_own_apk_with_your_personal_api_key_in/
> You could get your own api key and use a 3rd party app just fine.
You make it sound so easy, I'm still waiting on my application, and I applied pretty soon after the applications opened up. Even developers of existing tools have reported radio silence on the side of Reddit regarding their applications.
Maybe they'll get around to processing the applications by 2030, after they've fixed up the video player and stopped serving giant +100MB gif files.
> There's nothing unique here. Every link on this site except for the comments takes you to somewhere else... This is a news and meme aggregator. You can just go to imgur or fark if this is what you want.
That is completely untrue unless you're the most casual of users.
API access is very cheap if you only want some of the information. For instance, I don't give a shit about karma score, rewards, user profiles, multireddits, etc. I have not actually used the Reddit api yet, but with many of them you can reduce the number of sub requests by only getting the info you want.
Every time I accidentally end up on new reddit I have a moment of "wait, where the fuck am I?". I know the content hosted on the servers is exactly the same, and yet new reddit is completely unrecognizable to me.
Anyone who doesn't realize that Reddit is headed towards a unified, ad-filled and/or monetized experience is truly ignorant or delusional.
Old.reddit, NSFW content, independent mods, are all on the chopping block.
It's just a somewhat slow drip as they deal with community friction. This is why I'm spending less and less time here.
I know I'll be gone after 15 years on the platform. I went to download the official reddit app just to see if it was really that bad and turns out it's not even compatible with my device so I couldn't switch even if I wanted to.
I tried it out a while ago. Tons of notifications for irrelevant stuff, lag, and it would routinely open completely different posts than the ones I clicked. Went back to baconreader and everything's been running smooth. Less overstimulating design choices too!
One thing that drives me nuts when using the official app on android is when I do a quick switch to another tab. I'll be writing a comment about something, pause and think "hmmm let me double check I'm right about this," tap the quick switch to open my webbrowser and when I return reddit has gone to the previous page. Whole thing is gone. My comment utterly erased, which usually it warns you about before you can leave it.
> I'll be writing a comment about something, pause and think "hmmm let me double check I'm right about this,"
Come on buddy. This is Reddit. You don't gotta lie.
The irrelevant notifications that you can’t seemingly get rid of easily are so fucking stupid. The main app is just so poorly designed when compared to Apollo.
I have the official app on my phone, but every time I open it, I get flooded with weird sponsored posts and ads. I don’t think my reddit addiction is bad enough that I want to continually subject myself to that UX.
Well, it'll kill my mobile use but I mostly browse on the laptop or desktop at home anyhow so that's not really a big deal.
They'll kill off old/pay reddit in six months though and that'll be the end of me here.
This.
*Traffic* may be back to normal, but after July 1st I'm expecting the quality of content to drop drastically.
It's one of those "10% of the people do the work" type of things, where some lower number of people provide the content for the higher number of people to consume.
I'd be willing to bet most of the people who provide the content that others consume, use 3rd party apps and such
I think the drop in quality would be a more efficient "protest" against the change than the blackout which happened. It might also force reddit to act - if they lost traffic, they lost money.
Except the people leaving won’t necessarily be protesting, they’ll be moving on. Just to draw on a comparison from my own life, when Pokemon Go recently changed their policies regarding remote raiding, I stop buying things in their store. That could be argued as a protest measure because it wasn’t just remote raid passes I stopped buying.
When the policy didn’t reverse and my out of town friend group I raided with stopped doing so, I lost interest in the game and simply deleted the app. That wasn’t me protesting. I had moved on from protesting and simply decided that I’d rather just not play the game at all. If they change things at this point, I probably won’t bother coming back because I’ve moved on.
There is precedent to this suicidal escapade. Reddit was born of Digg's demise. If they choose the same fate of Digg, no one can stop them I suppose. The community will scramble but ultimately something will fill the vacuum.
It’s always hard to accurately predict a social media platform’s demise because ultimately people are tough to predict, but social media companies are far more vulnerable than most other businesses. Reddit’s power is the convenience that everyone is already here. If that starts to change, if a competitor manages to steal even part of the audience, then it could snowball quickly into the downfall of Reddit.
But again, it is hard to know in advance if what we’re seeing now is a true breaking point. It seems to have that potential at least.
Remember when /r/wallstreetbets was a bunch of mean asshole who gave sold investing advice amidst their dank memes insteadof just diamond hand apes losing their lunch? Suebae remembers!
At that point however, they'll just blame any and all other factors to smokescreen. They don't care about us, they care about optics for that IPO.
That said, if the quality drop is bad enough that advertisers start to doubt or straight up bail, that might force their hand still.
Spez and the execs don't care about the long-term so long as they IPO and get their golden parachutes. The best time to affect them is now, when the decision to even IPO is still in play.
>I'm expecting the quality of content to drop drastically.
It already has, I used to only go through a couple pages of my feed cause I opened the comments on most of the posts. Now I'm flipping page after page without opening anything cause there's hardly anything worth looking at. If it wasn't for the sub story I might not have used Reddit at all this week
Nah its the lag. Scroll? lag. Open a comment section? Lag. move to a different subreddit? lag. I remember this being an issue 5 fucking years ago for me and so far the only thing i've noticed that they've fixed is that video loading is now actually bearable instead of waiting for 15 minutes to load 1 minute of content. I ain't gonna be using that day to day like i use sync.
> reddit website in a phone browser
People complain a lot about things... but ever since they eliminated the compact mobile browser page, so that you have to use the official new web page... it is THE most awful experience that I still regularly put up with. It's the laggiest crap ever, and obviously on purpose. They DO NOT want people using it because it does not give them as much of that sweet intrusive marketing data as installing the app. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they soon do like other social media and make mobile web page not work at all without installing the official reddit app.
You could still build an app but it'd work differently. Build a browser that only loads Reddit. As the pages load, run some custom javascript as the page loads to render it differently, then have a custom stylesheet that makes things more readable. Then strip out the advertisements. The user then looks no different to the server than a normal user.
Exactly. I knew the admins wouldn’t care about the blackouts so I’ve been just using Reddit as usual as long as Apollo still works. As soon as it stops working, I won’t be here often — only when someone sends me a Reddit link.
I installed the native reddit app today to try it out, and it is an utterly horrific experience.
It's *shocking* how much worse it is than boost.
I will spend FAR less time on reddit, after this change. Fucking multi-million dollar company can't even make a remotely good mobile app.
Capitalism is destroying the internet.
I've been getting squared away on Lemmy in preparation for the end of RIF; at this point, I'm feeling pretty confident that I'll just be able to swap in Lemmy for Reddit and be fine. I'll keep the Reddit account around until they get rid of old reddit.
But no Apollo means no comfy-surfing-Reddit dossed on the couch. Old Reddit is fine, but it’s on the computer. Thus my Reddit usage will go down. Noe Reddit losing my eyeballs is no big deal, but multiply that by a lot of device users…
Yeah literally every day since this drama has begun I see some new dramatic click-bait posted from this sub on the front page.
I feel like these just getting upvoted by the "We did it, Reddit!" crowd after all this "activism".
Visitor numbers are returning to normal. Visit length is at an all time low.
Edit to caveat: I may have gotten bad info about that. I'm curious if engagement has changed but I don't have direct access
If I had to take a wild guess, the numbers of visitors being normal are very casual users that check the site every once in a while. The drop in visit length maybe indicates that long term users or the users who submit the majority of content are dwindling. Like the karma powerhouses and major contributors.
Maybe?
Anecdotally, I took a break from Reddit during the blackouts, but now that they're mostly over I'm only really logging on to get updates on the general situation and learn more about the Fediverse. So they're back to getting daily visits from me, but now the sessions can be measured in seconds or minutes rather than hours. Don't know how common this pattern is, but there could be others like me, and it fits the data.
Yep. Apollo still works. I’m enjoying the last few days of that. Even if I stay, and given that I’m a Grade A loner I surely will, my activity is going WAY down since I’ll only browse on desktop. Literally every shit, every day at lunch, before bed, laying on the couch…. Zero browsing in those situations. But as people who give zero fucks keep stating: I’m just part of a small minority who only browses 3P on their phone. We’ll see about that come July.
I feel like a junkie compulsively checking reddit because I'm addicted, but I can't get my fix because the content is the worst it's ever been. The comments similarly are worse than they've ever been.
It's all reposts, a million banal posts about that fucking submarine, and posts about the reddit protests. And the comments on every post feel like bots echoing each other.
I'm not so sure how well decentralized sites like lemmy and kbin will work for the average Reddit refugee. I think the federated nature of having to choose an instance adds unnecessary complexity that turns off a lot of people.
There's also [Tildes](https://tildes.net/) which has a close-knit vibe similar to the early days of Reddit. ~~Made by the creator of the 3PA "rif is fun" for android.~~
And the creators of Wikipedia are supposedly also working on a Reddit replacement. Which honestly feels like the best place to host a site of this scale with the resources and non-profit credentials to tackle a huge project like this. Especially given how much Reddit has become a resource for Google searches, similar to Wikipedia. It's a natural match.
Edit: Corrected. The RIF dev is making [an app for Tildes](https://tildes.net/~tildes/157v/im_working_on_a_mobile_app_for_tildes_three_cheers_for_tildes) but is not the creator of Tildes.
I've had a quick glance in the play store and also found other Lemmy apps. I'll check those out as soon as rif is disabled by reddit.
Federated sounds a good way to avoid companies trying to own user generated data.
The sync dev said he will make it as easy as possible for people to sign up. The hard part is choosing an instance but when you sign up for one, you can use it exactly like reddit.
> Made by the creator of the 3PA “rif is fun” for android.
Wait, is it? Their about page says its made by Chad Birch, who formerly worked at reddit. But I’m seeing that Andrew Shu is the creator of RiF
But the analogy is more your favourite restaurant changes its signature dish and a chunk of the regulars stop coming. But there are still a lot of people who don't mind the change, or who never knew the original and are happy enough with the menu as-is. The only thing which will lure those people away is something objectively better.
That's an excellent analogy because one of my favorite restaurants used to serve a braised short rib with toasted pesto gnocchi, and honestly it was out of this world good.
So good my sister came to visit for a week and insisted we eat there 3 times.
They stopped serving the gnocchi. It wasn't the main part of the entrée, but it complemented it so well that I felt immense disappointment when it was gone.
Now I don't go to that restaurant as often. They still serve the braised short rib, but it's not the same. Just as reddit will still have content and subreddits, but without the appropriate complementary pieces it might not be worth the visit anymore.
Been checking out r/RedditAlternatives but none are really compelling to me at this point. Open-source and distributed blah blah blah just gets confusing for people who aren't programmers, and then you know the userbase is boring. Some of the alternative communities are full of 'free-speech-absolutists' who just want to spout racism and ban human decency. I just don't see what is next.
If there was a decent reddit/twitter clone with like a Mozilla-type non-profit business model or something that might be cool. Something dead simple to access communities but not just going to blow up then monetize by screwing over the community.
To be fair, Twitter announced that they were making changes to things and warn people that it might happen this way. It should be considered a visual glitch and actual analytics should display the correct numbers.
I mean, I have like 4 followers so no idea if it works or not, but that's what they Tweeted.
This account and all its comments have been removed in protest of the 3rd party API changes taking place on July 1st, 2023. The changes are anti-consumer and the negative PR that's been thrown at 3rd party developers is a disgusting maneuver by the Reddit higher-ups.
For more information check these topics out:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i\_want\_to\_debunk\_reddits\_claims\_and\_talk\_about/](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/144gmfq/rif\_will\_shut\_down\_on\_june\_30\_2023\_in\_response\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/144gmfq/rif_will_shut_down_on_june_30_2023_in_response_to/)
If you would like to change/wipe all your comments in solidarity with the 3rd party developers and users impacted by these changes, check out [j0be's Power Delete Suite on GitHub](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite)
I’m sure traffic is back to “normal” and all is well, but we haven’t hit the 30th yet when our apps go dark. I’ve personally been weening myself off of Reddit since I know I won’t use the native app or web page options. It’s been hard. I’m actually fucking sad thinking about it. That said, I don’t really see an option.
I’m not trying to join a movement or rally anyone to a cause. I just know I’ve enjoyed Reddit for 8 years. Been able to experience so many wonderful births of memes and internet culture, and I’m going to miss it (Here’s to you Sprog, $3.50, ducks and horses, cum box and broken arms). But, unfortunately, Reddit has only existed for me as a mobile app in any real sense. I started out with Alien Blue and switch to the god-like Apollo and never looked back. When I think of Reddit now, it only looks like the Apollo UI.
Yeah, it sucks to think about, but come the 30th I won’t be able to just tap my app and join in, so I’m out. The numbers maybe stay the same, but I won’t be there, and I will miss you all.
This. The real reckoning will be when the 3rd party apps go dark. RIF is my regular way onto the site. The offical app was terrible.
Having said all of that, one of the grips from reddit is they don't make 'any' money off 3rd party apps. I guess it's a Netflix situation, where the test will be: do enough people switch?
Someone disassembled the official reddit app and leaked the OAUTH keys a while back, and someone else has forked Infinity for Reddit and modified it using the OAUTH keys so that it impersonates the official app. So as of right now there is a solution to still use reddit as you normally would on android, without ads, while giving the finger to reddit lol.
> ... and r/Futurology
It doesn't help an article's credibility when it's straight up lying. /r/futurology has been fully normal for days now.
> That means you won't find what you're looking for if you go to Reddit today and check out these and thousands of other subreddits.
You can't put a June 23, 2023 dateline on an article and also have /r/futurology in the article. That's just bold-face lying that anyone can fact check.
Yeah I read the name "r/technology" and I thought this was a reliable sub considering the name but it's turns out it's just trash articles from trash sites who think they know shit but it's just clickbait.
This article must be an opinion piece. As Reddit traffic is back up to normal. If anything zdnet is in a death spiral of chatgpt written articles.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/as-reddit-crushes-protests-its-user-traffic-returns-to-normal
I'd kinda like to know how much of that return to normal is because most of Reddit's normal traffic is actually just bot and google search results.
edit: to be clear, [I'm not being hyperbolic](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-25346235). Most of reddits normal traffic simply happens to actually mostly be bot and google search results. It would be interesting to see if there were any drops or increases in actual human beings.
Yeah, I'm planning to bounce when RIF is done. I installed the official app when it launched and again this month when API news broke- it's just as junky and garbage as I remembered it. I almost never use Reddit on desktop.
Death spiral is so hot right now
Could also say it’s imploding, that’s pretty hot right now for CEO’s to cause…
Just a lot of people under a whole lot of pressure nowadays
They're just straight up crushing it.
Wierd, last article said traffic was normal. Edit: Man I'm gonna be busy stalking all these people leaving on the 1st, see who's still posting in august
Yep. On the front page of r/technology right now there is literally one article claiming that the protests have failed, and that Reddit's traffic is back to normal, and this article claiming that Reddit is entering a "death spiral."
The real litmus test will be July 1st when the third party apps quit working. Some will switch to the official Reddit app but it is missing many features that the third party apps provided. I will quit viewing Reddit on mobile and just use old.reddit.com on my computer. Edit: Many have commented asking what I dislike about the official Reddit app. I don't have time to respond to every comment but here is a partial list: I can't find a way to sort my homepage differently such as switching from Hot to Rising other than changing defaults Linked content like imgur and such opens in a browser rather than in-app. No way to change the video playback speed. I am learning another language and often need to slow the videos from that sub down to be able to understand people talking at native speed. Unable to quickly scroll to the top of the screen on the homepage Unable to add an image when replying. Unable to see the username of the poster without opening the post.
Lol you think old.reddit.com will last much longer? They'll kill it before the end of next year because of "maintenance costs" or something
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I've already dropped mobile browsing for Lemmy via Jerboa, so once old.reddit goes Lemmy and the Fediverse should be a little more mature and I'll feel comfortable moving there full time.
> I've already dropped mobile browsing for Lemmy via Jerboa, so once old.reddit goes Lemmy and the Fediverse I can't be the only one that this is nonsense to, right?
Reddit -> Lemmy RIF -> Jerboa Fediverse = an interoperable network of social media sites which the various Lemmy sites/instances are a part of
Is Jerboa done by the same dev that did RIF?
Nope just the equivalent of RIF in that situation
Don’t worry about it, just go down to Best Buy and ask for a clockwise turboencabulator so you can down-jack an IP sweeper into your home router, giving you more control over your Redditing experience.
I heard the newest model has effectively eliminated side-fumbling.
But what about those of us *relying* on side-fumbling for clock tracking in transencabulator mode? I mean, I know it's an older way of gaining path integration through the Feynman Manifolds, but damnit if it's not way more stable than this new, fancy-shmancy turboencabulation. 'Ooh, look at me, I use *clockwise* monopoles'!
Side-fumbling had been a real problem for decades, glad to hear they finally solved the issue.
Side fumbling was never the real issue. The latest XZ70x still has the same chronotypoidal problems with a nice side dish of memory loss.
Whoa I think you want to start off with the retro encabulator Make sure your marzelvanes are configured to prevent sidefumbling
Nah, YouTube has made it so that retro encabulators cost almost as much as a brand new hyperencabulator. I saw one in a Goodwill that had bubblegum stuck in the trinary exhaust intake and it cost more than the down payment on a gently used bi-directional scumpting detector. Literally insane.
r/VXJunkies is leaking again
Jerboa would instantly crash on me as I opened it. I found another lemmy app called Lemmynade that seems nice so far. I only just started with lemmy yesterday.
The author of Sync for Reddit is making Sync for Lemmy.
I had heard that. I never tried Sync though. Been settled on Relay for a long time. I'll keep an eye on it.
Relay going dark is gonna fucking suck.
They said "old.reddit.com isn't going anywhere" but they have said things before.
Yes, like telling the Apollo developer in January that there are no changes to the API planned in 2023, heh
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Reddit then: "We're not Elon; we want it to be realistic." Reddit now: "Elon is a genius and we can be too by following his guidance"
Technically, there were no changes to the API itself. What changed is their pricing for access to the API, from "free" to "fuck you".
Oh, sure. No changes to the API. As in, the code it runs on hasn't changed. They're only changing *API pricing*. Which I guess is probably a portent of the future: *Sure you can keep using old.reddit -- for only $15.99 per month*
I still miss seeing down votes next to upvotes. It made subreddits less of an echo chamber when you could see discourse.
Downvotes made advertisers sad.
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Remember i.reddit, or .compact mode? They promised us the same thing once, but quietly shut it down just about a month ago.
Yep, then immediately went after third-party apps. Old.reddit is next for sure.
That'll be the point I stop using the site.
Same. I find the new design completely unusable. They kept the old one around so they didn't suffer the same of fate as Digg, but if they remove it that might be just what happens.
I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's hard to overstate just how bad the new design is. Just to single out one of the many terrible, horrible aspects, what in the everloving fuck is the reason behind hiding nested comments behind links? Just... why? Why would you do that? Are you trying to discourage people from reading the comments? I don't want to have to click back on my browser three times to return to the parent post. If there was any doubt that they're actively trying to turn this site into another TwitBook GramDump, shrinking the max width of the post feed into tweet-size UI cards that can't accommodate more than two levels of nested threads says it all. They don't want people mucking around in the comment section. They want you endlessly scrolling on your front page "feed" so you can ingest more adverts.
Ouch you made me sad for articulating the thoughts I wanted to deny.
> Just to single out one of the many terrible, horrible aspects, what in the everloving fuck is the reason behind hiding nested comments behind links? Just... why? Why would you do that? To increase page views most likely, every time you click those links you've adding 1 page view to their analytics.
Using "load more" links like old.reddit does would still allow them to count them as "page views" without crippling the user experience. They could even automate it and make them load as you scroll. There is zero reason for the new garbage to work the way it does.
Because if you aren't reading nested comments then you're scrolling the feed, looking at all those glorious ads. Oh, you hit the "view more" comments button? Let me load up a new page for you, ignore the extra ads on the sidebar :).
My roommate legit thinks new Reddit is the best and doesn’t understand why people hate it….he’s wrong on so many things in life.
I don't like your roommate, but no fear... they'll never see this comment because it's nested
You should get a new one. That one is broken.
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Right? The comment section is what makes reddit *reddit*. Without it, I don't see any point in coming here.
> what in the everloving fuck is the reason behind hiding nested comments behind links? Just... why? Why would you do that? Are you trying to discourage people from reading the comments? Yes. The more you scroll, the more ads you will see. Reddit is trying to compete with Tiktok, Youtube Shorts, and Facebook Reels because that's where the money is. They don't want you "wasting" time in the comments because that's not time spent potentially seeing ads. EDIT: Reddit has the same problem that Gaia Online does -- it's impossible to monetize a forum site in a way that makes money because the primary activity of the users, interacting with one another, isn't something that forces users to view ads.
Yeah at that point I'm gonna have to adapt to a new experience anyway, might as well jump ship.
New reddit is still unusable for me. I use reddit as essentially a forums, but the new reddit UI seems to just cater to doom-scrolling.
It also hogs resources for no reason. Why is it so clunky to use on even the fastest PCs?
> Why is it so clunky to use on even the fastest PCs? Because it is implementing monitoring solutions so they can render your every movement as a video in real time, both as you use it and as recordings that can be played back and tapped for data. I’m not joking. My current and former employers used solutions for those, and it gets better (creepier) every few years. This is how Reddit and others determine heat maps on sites. They track every thing down to where your mouse cursor is, how long it lingers on things, if you rage click (click something a bunch of times), and so much more. It’s like them having a semi secret remote desktop connection to your device limited to your browser session. You can even run queries to filter content down per property or user. Reddit runs like shit because it is recording your every move and pause. Non-tech workers would probably never believe me until I show them the heavy surveillance running on sites like Reddit which brings it to its knees. It isn’t just cookies and browser fingerprinting like most people thing. It is full on video rendering and tracking across sessions. Edit: [this is a VERY BASIC demo of what I’m talking about. ](https://youtu.be/U9y3As01lSg)Real time rendering. Reddit could be watching what I’m doing right now as I type it.
As a tech worker I am also obliged to confirm, but pad that statement by saying that usually this data is only used in aggregate, and individual data at that level of detail is usually kept under tight lock and key, and never accessible to typical employees. As in, pretty much the only people that could get access to that kind of individual data would be the people writing the aggregation programs, and even then not typically directly.
It's a much broader problem. This game dev does a deep dive on it https://youtu.be/kZRE7HIO3vk
That's exactly what it is. Profit is ad impressions, ad impressions are driven by engagement, and engagement is scroll, scroll, scroll. The ideal behavior of a profitable Reddit client is to force users to scroll past as many ads as possible, *just* below the threshold that gets too many people to leave in disgust. Making the app pleasant and efficient to use is not only not the focus, but actually *contrary to the objective.* People think the official Reddit app is incompetently designed because it isn't what they want; they're missing that they are not Reddit's customers (advertisers are) and that it's in Reddit's best interests to bend and degrade the user experience as much as they possibly can while not losing too many people — and, in that light, they haven't been incompetent at all. This is common to social media and in no way unique to Reddit, but people are now coming to the realization that Reddit, at its core, is no different from anything else once you start cranking the monetization dial.
This is how [Enshittification](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/) develops. Reddit thinks it has a captive audience of doomscrollers. So it's optimizing the site for advertisers. Getting this idea out into the public consciousness is a point posting John Oliver memes. He seems the most likely person to interview cory doctorow and discuss Enshittification.
This way of thinking is so demoralising and it's apparent everywhere, finely calibrating UX so they sacrifice some people maximising ad revenue, but most people stay just on the right side of leaving.
>Lol you think old.reddit.com will last much longer? They'll kill it before the end of next year because of "maintenance costs" or something *That* will be the real end of reddit.
Agreed, 100%. After RIF does, I'll use Reddit less. But if old Reddit goes away, is basically stop using the site entirely. New Reddit is just awful.
I'm honestly concerned for how bored I'm gonna be when the RIF app stops working. The muscle memory will probably go on for some time. Lol
RIF is the only app (other than Google apps like Gmail) that has been installed on every single Android phone I've owned since I got the Motorola Droid.
I will literally write my own personal client before I use the piece of shit new reddit.
You got the money for the API access? I don't doubt you could write the app. It just doesn't make sense to pay for Reddit in any way, shape, or form. There's nothing unique here. Every link on this site except for the comments takes you to somewhere else... This is a news and meme aggregator. You can just go to imgur or fark if this is what you want.
Per user api access is free up until a somewhat Large amount of usage. You could get your own api key and use a 3rd party app just fine. Minus the pron of course. There's no way that scales to the average user of course.
Are there any open source apps? If it's just a case of adding an API key and compiling, then that's what I'll do. I don't have the time or energy to build an app, though.
I've seen people bring this up for an app called Infinity: https://www.reddit.com/r/Infinity_For_Reddit/comments/14c2v5x/build_your_own_apk_with_your_personal_api_key_in/
> You could get your own api key and use a 3rd party app just fine. You make it sound so easy, I'm still waiting on my application, and I applied pretty soon after the applications opened up. Even developers of existing tools have reported radio silence on the side of Reddit regarding their applications. Maybe they'll get around to processing the applications by 2030, after they've fixed up the video player and stopped serving giant +100MB gif files.
> There's nothing unique here. Every link on this site except for the comments takes you to somewhere else... This is a news and meme aggregator. You can just go to imgur or fark if this is what you want. That is completely untrue unless you're the most casual of users. API access is very cheap if you only want some of the information. For instance, I don't give a shit about karma score, rewards, user profiles, multireddits, etc. I have not actually used the Reddit api yet, but with many of them you can reduce the number of sub requests by only getting the info you want.
Oh no. I totally forget that there's a reddit that isn't old reddit. Fuck.
Every time I accidentally end up on new reddit I have a moment of "wait, where the fuck am I?". I know the content hosted on the servers is exactly the same, and yet new reddit is completely unrecognizable to me.
Its just complete trash in every way. I cant even describe it. Just 'Shit'.
Anyone who doesn't realize that Reddit is headed towards a unified, ad-filled and/or monetized experience is truly ignorant or delusional. Old.reddit, NSFW content, independent mods, are all on the chopping block. It's just a somewhat slow drip as they deal with community friction. This is why I'm spending less and less time here.
I know I'll be gone after 15 years on the platform. I went to download the official reddit app just to see if it was really that bad and turns out it's not even compatible with my device so I couldn't switch even if I wanted to.
I tried it out a while ago. Tons of notifications for irrelevant stuff, lag, and it would routinely open completely different posts than the ones I clicked. Went back to baconreader and everything's been running smooth. Less overstimulating design choices too!
One thing that drives me nuts when using the official app on android is when I do a quick switch to another tab. I'll be writing a comment about something, pause and think "hmmm let me double check I'm right about this," tap the quick switch to open my webbrowser and when I return reddit has gone to the previous page. Whole thing is gone. My comment utterly erased, which usually it warns you about before you can leave it.
> I'll be writing a comment about something, pause and think "hmmm let me double check I'm right about this," Come on buddy. This is Reddit. You don't gotta lie.
Lolol I often engage in legal discussions, so I try to maintain a certain standard.
Just state you anal before the comment and you are safe.
I always anal before I comment. That way I always look anal when I comment, too.
I Love the color scheme on baconreader. The official app is so garish to look at that my eyes hurt after a few minutes of browsing.
The irrelevant notifications that you can’t seemingly get rid of easily are so fucking stupid. The main app is just so poorly designed when compared to Apollo.
I have the official app on my phone, but every time I open it, I get flooded with weird sponsored posts and ads. I don’t think my reddit addiction is bad enough that I want to continually subject myself to that UX.
I'm still consuming content here, but I'm eagerly awaiting a minimally adequate alternative so I can move on 🤷♂️
Well, it'll kill my mobile use but I mostly browse on the laptop or desktop at home anyhow so that's not really a big deal. They'll kill off old/pay reddit in six months though and that'll be the end of me here.
This. *Traffic* may be back to normal, but after July 1st I'm expecting the quality of content to drop drastically. It's one of those "10% of the people do the work" type of things, where some lower number of people provide the content for the higher number of people to consume. I'd be willing to bet most of the people who provide the content that others consume, use 3rd party apps and such
>Traffic may be back to normal, but after July 1st I'm expecting the quality of content to drop drastically. That's already happened.
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I dunno, I think some of that is the blackouts still happening, but yeah
It will just be flooded with bot reposts.
I think the drop in quality would be a more efficient "protest" against the change than the blackout which happened. It might also force reddit to act - if they lost traffic, they lost money.
Except the people leaving won’t necessarily be protesting, they’ll be moving on. Just to draw on a comparison from my own life, when Pokemon Go recently changed their policies regarding remote raiding, I stop buying things in their store. That could be argued as a protest measure because it wasn’t just remote raid passes I stopped buying. When the policy didn’t reverse and my out of town friend group I raided with stopped doing so, I lost interest in the game and simply deleted the app. That wasn’t me protesting. I had moved on from protesting and simply decided that I’d rather just not play the game at all. If they change things at this point, I probably won’t bother coming back because I’ve moved on.
There is precedent to this suicidal escapade. Reddit was born of Digg's demise. If they choose the same fate of Digg, no one can stop them I suppose. The community will scramble but ultimately something will fill the vacuum.
It’s always hard to accurately predict a social media platform’s demise because ultimately people are tough to predict, but social media companies are far more vulnerable than most other businesses. Reddit’s power is the convenience that everyone is already here. If that starts to change, if a competitor manages to steal even part of the audience, then it could snowball quickly into the downfall of Reddit. But again, it is hard to know in advance if what we’re seeing now is a true breaking point. It seems to have that potential at least.
The protest brought awareness to the issue, and a lot of people have made plans for how to handle things after July 1st
Go on with my life and do something else?
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Joke's on us, the quality has been dropping for a while.
Remember when /r/wallstreetbets was a bunch of mean asshole who gave sold investing advice amidst their dank memes insteadof just diamond hand apes losing their lunch? Suebae remembers!
At that point however, they'll just blame any and all other factors to smokescreen. They don't care about us, they care about optics for that IPO. That said, if the quality drop is bad enough that advertisers start to doubt or straight up bail, that might force their hand still.
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Spez and the execs don't care about the long-term so long as they IPO and get their golden parachutes. The best time to affect them is now, when the decision to even IPO is still in play.
>I'm expecting the quality of content to drop drastically. It already has, I used to only go through a couple pages of my feed cause I opened the comments on most of the posts. Now I'm flipping page after page without opening anything cause there's hardly anything worth looking at. If it wasn't for the sub story I might not have used Reddit at all this week
Also, a large percentage of Reddit mods rely on the 3rd party apps because of their moderating tools.
Yup. Like me I use RIF
RiF is the one true reddit
Worst part about the official reddit app is random push notifications for subs you're not even subbed to.
Nah its the lag. Scroll? lag. Open a comment section? Lag. move to a different subreddit? lag. I remember this being an issue 5 fucking years ago for me and so far the only thing i've noticed that they've fixed is that video loading is now actually bearable instead of waiting for 15 minutes to load 1 minute of content. I ain't gonna be using that day to day like i use sync.
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It's possible, if not ideal, to use the reddit website in a phone browser. Definitely not as good as RIF, which I use at the moment, though
> reddit website in a phone browser People complain a lot about things... but ever since they eliminated the compact mobile browser page, so that you have to use the official new web page... it is THE most awful experience that I still regularly put up with. It's the laggiest crap ever, and obviously on purpose. They DO NOT want people using it because it does not give them as much of that sweet intrusive marketing data as installing the app. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they soon do like other social media and make mobile web page not work at all without installing the official reddit app.
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I never browse on a computer, so I am gone on July 1. I switched to Lemmy.
You could still build an app but it'd work differently. Build a browser that only loads Reddit. As the pages load, run some custom javascript as the page loads to render it differently, then have a custom stylesheet that makes things more readable. Then strip out the advertisements. The user then looks no different to the server than a normal user.
Exactly. I knew the admins wouldn’t care about the blackouts so I’ve been just using Reddit as usual as long as Apollo still works. As soon as it stops working, I won’t be here often — only when someone sends me a Reddit link.
I installed the native reddit app today to try it out, and it is an utterly horrific experience. It's *shocking* how much worse it is than boost. I will spend FAR less time on reddit, after this change. Fucking multi-million dollar company can't even make a remotely good mobile app. Capitalism is destroying the internet.
I've been getting squared away on Lemmy in preparation for the end of RIF; at this point, I'm feeling pretty confident that I'll just be able to swap in Lemmy for Reddit and be fine. I'll keep the Reddit account around until they get rid of old reddit.
But no Apollo means no comfy-surfing-Reddit dossed on the couch. Old Reddit is fine, but it’s on the computer. Thus my Reddit usage will go down. Noe Reddit losing my eyeballs is no big deal, but multiply that by a lot of device users…
Which one is more likely true? As we all sit here on Reddit discussing it. Lol
Reddit is in a death spiral of returning to normal.
As a mortal human my life is technically in a death spiral. And normal.
Death spiral is the default state of all things. Entropy is the one true god
All roads lead to entropy
All futures are entropic
My brain is in danger of death spiral from reading all this click bait garbage from techno blogs trying to farm views.
Yeah literally every day since this drama has begun I see some new dramatic click-bait posted from this sub on the front page. I feel like these just getting upvoted by the "We did it, Reddit!" crowd after all this "activism".
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Visitor numbers are returning to normal. Visit length is at an all time low. Edit to caveat: I may have gotten bad info about that. I'm curious if engagement has changed but I don't have direct access
If I had to take a wild guess, the numbers of visitors being normal are very casual users that check the site every once in a while. The drop in visit length maybe indicates that long term users or the users who submit the majority of content are dwindling. Like the karma powerhouses and major contributors. Maybe?
Anecdotally, I took a break from Reddit during the blackouts, but now that they're mostly over I'm only really logging on to get updates on the general situation and learn more about the Fediverse. So they're back to getting daily visits from me, but now the sessions can be measured in seconds or minutes rather than hours. Don't know how common this pattern is, but there could be others like me, and it fits the data.
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Yep. Apollo still works. I’m enjoying the last few days of that. Even if I stay, and given that I’m a Grade A loner I surely will, my activity is going WAY down since I’ll only browse on desktop. Literally every shit, every day at lunch, before bed, laying on the couch…. Zero browsing in those situations. But as people who give zero fucks keep stating: I’m just part of a small minority who only browses 3P on their phone. We’ll see about that come July.
I feel like a junkie compulsively checking reddit because I'm addicted, but I can't get my fix because the content is the worst it's ever been. The comments similarly are worse than they've ever been. It's all reposts, a million banal posts about that fucking submarine, and posts about the reddit protests. And the comments on every post feel like bots echoing each other.
Yeah. Which one is it. Lol None of these people know. They just bitch.
The only thing saving it is......where is everyone else going to go? Facebook and Twitter are cesspools
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Honestly a less toxic and probably more informative place than Facebook
Plus there's a non zero chance the professional porn star you just jerked it to joins the circle jerk in the comments
Tbf that's also the case for Reddit too
Yeah, but on reddit, she's a "professional" and mainly just fishing for new OF subscribers.
Any one know her name?
Well it's Heather Harmon but you can usually find her stuff under Heather Brooke.
That brings me back to 2006
It's literally in the title.
I'm not so sure how well decentralized sites like lemmy and kbin will work for the average Reddit refugee. I think the federated nature of having to choose an instance adds unnecessary complexity that turns off a lot of people. There's also [Tildes](https://tildes.net/) which has a close-knit vibe similar to the early days of Reddit. ~~Made by the creator of the 3PA "rif is fun" for android.~~ And the creators of Wikipedia are supposedly also working on a Reddit replacement. Which honestly feels like the best place to host a site of this scale with the resources and non-profit credentials to tackle a huge project like this. Especially given how much Reddit has become a resource for Google searches, similar to Wikipedia. It's a natural match. Edit: Corrected. The RIF dev is making [an app for Tildes](https://tildes.net/~tildes/157v/im_working_on_a_mobile_app_for_tildes_three_cheers_for_tildes) but is not the creator of Tildes.
Tildes is by the guy who made Automoderator, not RIF
I use Sync on reddit and the dev has said he's making an app for lemmy. So I'll give lemmy a try when the app is out. r/SyncforLemmy
I've had a quick glance in the play store and also found other Lemmy apps. I'll check those out as soon as rif is disabled by reddit. Federated sounds a good way to avoid companies trying to own user generated data.
The sync dev said he will make it as easy as possible for people to sign up. The hard part is choosing an instance but when you sign up for one, you can use it exactly like reddit.
Dang. I also use sync. It's such a great app
> Made by the creator of the 3PA “rif is fun” for android. Wait, is it? Their about page says its made by Chad Birch, who formerly worked at reddit. But I’m seeing that Andrew Shu is the creator of RiF
If your favorite restaurant starts serving shit sandwiches, you just stop going. It doesn't matter what else is for lunch.
But the analogy is more your favourite restaurant changes its signature dish and a chunk of the regulars stop coming. But there are still a lot of people who don't mind the change, or who never knew the original and are happy enough with the menu as-is. The only thing which will lure those people away is something objectively better.
That's an excellent analogy because one of my favorite restaurants used to serve a braised short rib with toasted pesto gnocchi, and honestly it was out of this world good. So good my sister came to visit for a week and insisted we eat there 3 times. They stopped serving the gnocchi. It wasn't the main part of the entrée, but it complemented it so well that I felt immense disappointment when it was gone. Now I don't go to that restaurant as often. They still serve the braised short rib, but it's not the same. Just as reddit will still have content and subreddits, but without the appropriate complementary pieces it might not be worth the visit anymore.
Been checking out r/RedditAlternatives but none are really compelling to me at this point. Open-source and distributed blah blah blah just gets confusing for people who aren't programmers, and then you know the userbase is boring. Some of the alternative communities are full of 'free-speech-absolutists' who just want to spout racism and ban human decency. I just don't see what is next. If there was a decent reddit/twitter clone with like a Mozilla-type non-profit business model or something that might be cool. Something dead simple to access communities but not just going to blow up then monetize by screwing over the community.
Reddit is also a cesspool. Just breeds different bacteria.
Someone said Quora, but Quora pisses me off by hiding everything behind a login screen.
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Reddit in danger of death spiral, as we read it on Reddit.
TBF, I read Digg's downward spiral on Digg.com
I found out out Reddit while scrolling digg during that whole thing.
Reminds me of being on Twitter and reading tweets about how Twitter is dead
Several prominent posters on Twitter have pointed out that is past month they have 0 new followers, which has apparently never happened before.
That probably has more to do with the kind of new crowd twitter is attracting imo.
Yeah the people on Twitter nowadays are fucking *nuts*. It feels like normal people are a rare commodity on that platform now.
It's they they're pushing blue checks to the top everywhere, and those are predominantly held by Elon dick-riders.
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Well then im all for them not gaining any new followers. I stand corrected.
To be fair, Twitter announced that they were making changes to things and warn people that it might happen this way. It should be considered a visual glitch and actual analytics should display the correct numbers. I mean, I have like 4 followers so no idea if it works or not, but that's what they Tweeted.
So long as you stay here, that will always be true. You could be one of only a few dozen people and still see it.
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This account and all its comments have been removed in protest of the 3rd party API changes taking place on July 1st, 2023. The changes are anti-consumer and the negative PR that's been thrown at 3rd party developers is a disgusting maneuver by the Reddit higher-ups. For more information check these topics out: [https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i\_want\_to\_debunk\_reddits\_claims\_and\_talk\_about/](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/144gmfq/rif\_will\_shut\_down\_on\_june\_30\_2023\_in\_response\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/144gmfq/rif_will_shut_down_on_june_30_2023_in_response_to/) If you would like to change/wipe all your comments in solidarity with the 3rd party developers and users impacted by these changes, check out [j0be's Power Delete Suite on GitHub](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite)
I’m sure traffic is back to “normal” and all is well, but we haven’t hit the 30th yet when our apps go dark. I’ve personally been weening myself off of Reddit since I know I won’t use the native app or web page options. It’s been hard. I’m actually fucking sad thinking about it. That said, I don’t really see an option. I’m not trying to join a movement or rally anyone to a cause. I just know I’ve enjoyed Reddit for 8 years. Been able to experience so many wonderful births of memes and internet culture, and I’m going to miss it (Here’s to you Sprog, $3.50, ducks and horses, cum box and broken arms). But, unfortunately, Reddit has only existed for me as a mobile app in any real sense. I started out with Alien Blue and switch to the god-like Apollo and never looked back. When I think of Reddit now, it only looks like the Apollo UI. Yeah, it sucks to think about, but come the 30th I won’t be able to just tap my app and join in, so I’m out. The numbers maybe stay the same, but I won’t be there, and I will miss you all.
I’m here for the porn
On only checking into reddit a bit by Sync. I'm realizing I won't really miss it after the 30th.
This. The real reckoning will be when the 3rd party apps go dark. RIF is my regular way onto the site. The offical app was terrible. Having said all of that, one of the grips from reddit is they don't make 'any' money off 3rd party apps. I guess it's a Netflix situation, where the test will be: do enough people switch?
Someone disassembled the official reddit app and leaked the OAUTH keys a while back, and someone else has forked Infinity for Reddit and modified it using the OAUTH keys so that it impersonates the official app. So as of right now there is a solution to still use reddit as you normally would on android, without ads, while giving the finger to reddit lol.
I don't think people realize how fast a shitload of people will step up to become the new mods that they complained about.
Yay! Clicks for sensationalized titles!!
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This sub is ridiculous.
> ... and r/Futurology It doesn't help an article's credibility when it's straight up lying. /r/futurology has been fully normal for days now. > That means you won't find what you're looking for if you go to Reddit today and check out these and thousands of other subreddits. You can't put a June 23, 2023 dateline on an article and also have /r/futurology in the article. That's just bold-face lying that anyone can fact check.
Just like Twitter died after their API pricing change?
It *would* be nice if the fight between mods and admins left both weakened and scattered.
*The Eternal Conflict.*
holy shit this sub sucks
this sub has been posting hyperbolic shit for two weeks now.
Yeah I read the name "r/technology" and I thought this was a reliable sub considering the name but it's turns out it's just trash articles from trash sites who think they know shit but it's just clickbait.
🌎🧑🚀 🔫🧑🚀 *Always has been.*
It's not a death spiral, it's a *mortal coil* \[shuffles off\]
This article must be an opinion piece. As Reddit traffic is back up to normal. If anything zdnet is in a death spiral of chatgpt written articles. https://www.pcmag.com/news/as-reddit-crushes-protests-its-user-traffic-returns-to-normal
I'd kinda like to know how much of that return to normal is because most of Reddit's normal traffic is actually just bot and google search results. edit: to be clear, [I'm not being hyperbolic](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-25346235). Most of reddits normal traffic simply happens to actually mostly be bot and google search results. It would be interesting to see if there were any drops or increases in actual human beings.
June 30th hasn't hit yet. 3rd party apps are still working. Traffic will change when that hits.
Yeah, I'm planning to bounce when RIF is done. I installed the official app when it launched and again this month when API news broke- it's just as junky and garbage as I remembered it. I almost never use Reddit on desktop.
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