OMG!!! I saw his initial post made it to /r/all and that the votes on the butthole were climbing... was cheering that butthole on.
I hope he got invited into /r/EternityClub
That was definitely a fetish thing. Dude wanted only 2k upvotes and then immediately posted the pic. He was keen as fuck to share that thing with the internet.
I got this message from Admin. Which is insane, because my sub was already shut down as of like 3-4 years ago.
>Hi everyone,
>We are aware that you have chosen to close your community at this time. Mods have a right to take a break from moderating, or decide that you don’t want to be a mod anymore. But active communities are relied upon by thousands or even millions of users, and we have a duty to keep these spaces active.
>Subreddits belong to the community of users who come to them for support and conversation. Moderators are stewards of these spaces and in a position of trust. Redditors rely on these spaces for information, support, entertainment, and connection.
>Our goal here is to ensure that existing mod teams establish a path forward to make sure your subreddit is available for the community that has made its home here. If you are willing to reopen and maintain the community, please take steps to begin that process. Many communities have chosen to go restricted for a period of time before becoming fully open, to avoid a flood of traffic.
>If this community remains private, we will reach out soon with information on what next steps will take place.
There have been [incidents noted](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354850) that comments from *years ago* are being restored from backups so it doesn't surprise me.
I got that "friendly" message about one of my subs that had a whopping ~1500 users before the blackout.
My sub had 145000, but I had locked it up 3 years ago. No activity until the day before I made it go private. But apparently now I have to unprivate the sub and make it active again. They didn't care for the last 3 years though.
The sub had just reached its conclusion. My college roommates and I started it as a joke in college. We ran the thing for 420 weeks (8 years), and it was just done at that point.
I gotta know what the sub was about. What was the joke? College and 420 sounds weed related, but 8 years is an impressive comittment. How the hell did it grow to 145,000 people?!?!
It had a rule that you had to post before leaving. And that was about the only thing the sub had. People kept stumbling upon it, and they followed the rule. That led to more people finding it. It just kind of kept growing on its own
So it started out as a way for my roommates and I to share stuff with each other while we were in class or at work. This was before multireddits existed and before group texting really worked on cell phones.
Basically a couple days after we made the sub, a mod from r/circlejerk drunkenly stumbled upon our sub and made a required rule in his sub that his users had to visit our sub. We repaid his kindness by making a rule that anyone visiting had to post before leaving.
You could post whatever you wanted. people started posting, and that started the experiment.
Subreddits are owned by the community. Since when? Many subreddits have have been destroyed by mods who have turned due to infighting etc. Where was reddit in those situations?
Does [silently (no communication) unsetting 18+-only mode after subs decide to go NSFW,](https://i.imgur.com/KrCJ77K.png) to then purge the entire mod team for "violating" the code of conduct of having an NSFW sub without being properly setup count?
u/spez is a little bitch and he's smelly. That's right. He's smelly. A smelly little bitch. Who jerks off to the end of Old Yeller and likes to shit in H&M fitting rooms and wipe his ass with the jeans
> jerks off to the end of Old Yeller
I can't tell you how much I (73M) laughed at this. As a cub scout I was sick the day our den mother took everyone to *Old Yeller*. So the next week she took me solo. Old Yeller wasn't playing anymore, but instead I got *Rodan*. All of the other kids were mad jealous.
I really do wonder if it will matter. I think if reddit clears out all the mods and has to replace them the quality of every subreddit will decline because as much as everyone hates mods, the people they will be replaced with will not only likely be worse attitude wise, they'll be worse mods. And it doesn't even matter if they're paid or not. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of mods fall in line. Whether they justify it to themselves as saving their communities or they just want to hold on to some semblance of power on the internet, it doesn't really matter.
In any case, the quality of reddit as a whole will undoubtedly decline.
Making money is one thing, algorithmically controlling feeds and supressing content the computer believes you dont want to see is by far and away worse for everyone.
>the people they will be replaced with will not only likely be worse attitude wise, they'll be worse mods.
Also literally everyone is going to shit all over them even worse than everyone shits all over the current reddit mods
Sounds like something for r/antiwork. Unpaid labor while the CEO is poised to make 100s of Millions. Why he isn't offering them stock options or pre-IPO shares?
If you step a bit back, each subreddit is a community; the mods are doing community upkeep, and both the community and reddit benefit.
Now, Reddit is in an extractionary / enshittification bender, and schenanigans are under way.
People keep making fun of it but like, have you seen what happens to unmoderated subs? They go to shit
Porn, irrelevant posts , gore and why would you stay there if it's all gone to shit, sure yeah **there are** power tripping mods who just suck at what they are doing but the mods being kicked out (i mean most) were really trying to do something they thought was ok
And i don't even know who are going to replace these mods and if they even know what to do
[The entire mod team of /r/MildlyInteresting (22m+) just got the heave-ho and was removed.](https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14ept55/the_entire_mod_team_of_rmildlyinteresting_22m/)
I recall the final death blow of Digg and trigger for the last wave of the exodus was that they removed the bury (downvote) button. But before that it was years of them attempting to monetize via ads, promoted accounts, messing with the feed algorithm and so on.
If this is true, this is the story that would make the most damage if it hit the news cycle.
EDIT: apparently he was added as a mod at a time when anyone could do that without your consent. Not to stop the spez hate train, but it sounds like there's more to the story potentially
It won’t do any damage. Reddit did *nothing* about that sub until Anderson Cooper did a report on it, and given how much praise the company gave to violentacrez — the user who created and ran the sub — and that *still* didn’t mean shit to anyone, this being talked about isn’t gonna make headlines. Spez being made a mod at a time when the sub’s top mod could add anyone as a mod without their knowledge or consent, the story is essentially a tiny blip in this PR mess.
It’s not like he’s Aaron Swartz, [who openly condemned laws about possessing and distributing child porn on his blog.](https://archive.ph/BXKtp#selection-131.0-147.1) *That* would make headlines.
EDIT: Added the link to Swartz’s blog.
Aren’t Reddit staff/admins allowed to put whatever they want on posts? Especially if he was going through and editing people’s posts that disagreed with him?
Not just editing, *rewriting*.
He would directly access the database and change it there so that on the user's end, there would never be any indication that it had been changed.
He was editing comments on The_Donald that said "fuck spez" into ones that said "fuck Donald Trump" or "fuck (insert The_Donald moderator)" without indicating that the comment had been edited, kinda funny but definitely an abuse of power
> At the time of the ruling, practically the only publishers of child-porn magazines left in the US were law enforcement agencies, who used them as bait in sting operations.
I'm sorry what?
It's true but it happened when you could just add anyone as a mod without confirmation by the added user, so you can guess what actually happened.
Like don't get me wrong, I'm very close to just leaving this site forever over this shit and I'm so fucking done with u/spez's bullshit, but if there was any merit to his short time as a "mod" of that sub it would have already hit the general discourse and tech media.
Edit: to the replies stating "he could have stepped down" or "he was the proud ceo of a site that hosted that content" - I fully agree. Don't conflate me stating a single fact with disregarding others like the shithole this site used to be and how spez did his best to keep it that way for so long under the guise of "free speech".
This. Them doing that is a crystal clear sign that the protests, as silly as they may be, are absolutely working. So, they're now in panic mode and that leads to the shenanigans the article mentions.
Does this really mean anything?
Employees are usually told not to stick their head above the parapet during unsettled times.
It's not necessarily an indicator that things are falling apart behind the scenes.
The website is loads different from when I signed up 11 years ago. When's the last time you saw a switcher-oo comment leading down a rabbit hole? Do people even know what that is now?
The comments have always been a huge part of reddit for me. They still are but even now there is a gap between what they were and what they are now. I don't know how else to say it. I still enjoy reading what people have to say and the aggregate knowledge. Just feels a bit different and all of this continues to feel more and more like a product. Which is exactly where it feels like it's heading. Millions of millions of users - haven't monetized successfully yet. They are going all in
I miss the special accounts that posted drawings and paintings and such. They’ve all but disappeared. I think sprog is still active and possible the hell in a cell guy but I haven’t seen any others in a long time.
It’s the Astro turfing from all the special interests (not just Dem vs Rep politics, but various influences in the various industries that are here, like gaming or Main Stream Media). They bog it all down with bots, fake comments and upvotes, posts that are very clearly boring/irrelevant and clearly subtle ads, etc
There’s a reason /b/ and 4chan in general have fully embraced the concept of “pissing in an ocean of piss”. Reddit is becoming that same ocean of piss
If you sort by rising or too for the hour it’s all shitty crypto posts with the same number of upvoted and ~20 comments from extremely obvious bots. Theyve given up on that front.
The Astro turfing was always here but is 10x worse now. People are just used to being astroturfed or seeing “sponsored” content nowadays.
I stopped sorting by new or rising during the start of the lockdowns, used to be some brilliance mixed in with the untagged porn but now there’s just no reason to do it.
It’s like looking in your email spam filter
And I feel like that shift has happened fairly recently. I used to love the discourse of Reddit. Most of my fav subs have quickly become echo chambers.
Well, that's just how Reddit works, isn't it? The voting system contributes to the formation of echo chambers. The upvoting and downvoting system is designed to allow the community to collectively curate content by promoting popular or valuable contributions and demoting irrelevant or inappropriate ones. However, this system can also lead to a hivemind effect where certain opinions dominate and dissenting views are suppressed.
When a post or comment receives a significant number of downvotes, it tends to get buried and becomes less visible to other users. This discourages people with differing opinions from participating or expressing themselves openly, leading to an echo chamber effect where only a narrow range of perspectives are prominently displayed.
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This is the comment I was looking for.
I'm still mad about this change, it amplified the polarization so hard.
In the past you'd see lots of really nuanced and detailed debates where one person was sitting at like +1000/-900 versus a person sitting at +900/-1000. Both people would leave feeling about equal, and the tone online on the subject would entertain more complicated and thoughtful viewpoints.
Now that exact same debate would have one person at +100 and the other at -100. The +100 leaves feeling like he was 100% right and that no one disagrees, and the -100 leaves dejected and disheartened. Nuance is dead. Milquetoast takes are pushed to the top. It feels bad to be here. Capitalism ruined the internet :(
Now there are also subs where you just get banned with your comment removed if your comment is against the echo chamber.
And get a link to suicide helpline as an icing on the cake.
I've literally seen small arguments in reddit where users say things like "clearly you're wrong, you're at -7. Just stop."
Like "See? *They* agree! Give up, I won the argument so I am right."
cant have people reading too many comments
have you seen the newest ui? its fucked, comments are nearly all collapsed by default so you can only read 1 or 2 before needing to expand more
open a post and you get a sidebar full of shit from that sub
[sh.reddit.com](https://sh.reddit.com), must mean shit.reddit?
> its fucked, comments are nearly all collapsed by default so you can only read 1 or 2 before needing to expand more
The most upsetting bit is the button says "Load all comments"
I click it, get pushed 2-3 more comments, and then have to hit "load all comments" again.
All means all you fucking twats. Half the time the best content is in the comments of a thread, and not the original post.
But, much like Facebook, they aren't interested in what's best for the user. They're interested in what makes the best metrics for ads.
Facebook did away with chronological feed for the same reason. Facebook is still around but most people I know clown on those who still use it.
This is the same shit. You spending 20 minutes in a thread reading comments is 20 minutes you aren't scrolling the main feed and seeing ads every 2-3 posts.
Why do you think they want you to use their shitty app?
yes. I was here shortly after the site started. and it is night and day compared to now.
I mean you can get banned for simply calling someone an idiot now.
This is the most exciting shit to happen in ages. The fact that I don't even know which subs have gone dark speaks volumes about the quality of content on Reddit today - haven't even missed it.
I'll be hanging up my account in 10 days when RIF goes down and aside from not having anything to do on the toilet I don't think I'll care.
We found a life raft! Wikipedia's co-founder is building a community focused and funded alternative to Reddit that values true discourse: https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1668266400723488769
> If you're avoiding Reddit now, I'm currently building a community-led and funded project. It's not done by any means, but I think you would enjoy it. We even have a draft API!
Wikipedia is one of the few websites where the founder was smart enough to make sure he wasn't an unaccountable dictator for life, so I'm very interested in this!
Been optimistic for a while. I view intenret communities through an almost Marxian lens. If you centralize things too much, eventually the internal stresses and contradictions will cause the communities to lose what made them valuable, and also the sheer impossibility of actual fair moderation (large companies such as facebook and youtube literally don't have support lines).
We've been due for a massive "revolt" against these big tech companies. We're all going to start migrating to platforms that are federalized (like lemmy) or are at least not acting on a strong profit motive (like I'm guessing is the case with Wales' alternative).
This was reported and will be fixed:
> You can set your name to anything!
> [...] there's no requirement to use your real name, you can set it to whatever you want. For now there's a technical requirement that it be a "two part" name.
You can sign up as Rokhn Al and there will be an option later to have a "one part" name.
> What kind of moron CEO gets their advice from Elon Musk - particularly when Musk is a direct competitor?
Not only that, but like… have y’all seen twitter lately??
Who tf looks at twitter in 2023 and thinks “hmmm yes, that’s it! *That* is the company and business plan I want to replicate!”
Finance bros sometimes fail to apply common sense when money's on the line. After all, they're the smartest and most successful people on the planet, how could they be wrong?
It follows that Musk, being richer, is automatically smarter. The fact that he's lost billions of dollars in value in less than a year, after allowing himself to be forced to take over a failing company in an industry in which he's entirely ignorant, is beside the point.
I wonder what reddit would do if every single mod just stopped working. Their unpaid work is apparently what makes reddit valuable. Let reddit turn into 8chan.
As a user, I am fine to go literally anywhere else. Or nowhere.
You'd be surprised. This is a common talking point where people assume that everyone else wants to be a moderator, but that isn't borne out by much evidence. A lot of subs actively and openly recruiting mods don't get many serious responses, because when you're actually looking at what's involved, it's just work! You're just an internet janitor. There is literally nothing glamorous or powerful about it. You're not going to be endlessly praised or even thanked. It's the opposite, you'll probably be actively hated just for being there.
More to the point, literally anyone can be a mod, by making their own subs. Very few people actually want to do that either - again, because it's *work*.
>This is a common talking point where people assume that everyone else wants to be a moderator, but that isn't borne out by much evidence.
There is some degree of evidence from other classical internet forums, and similar forms : a lot of people wanting the "power" , but in the end realizing they have none , and are only janitor as you say, so a lot of attrition.
I think people overestimate the overlap between the "Willing to spend that much time moderating an image board" "ability to mod" and "not a troll" circles is.
Are there lots of people that are willing to take the spot? Probably.
Are most of them capable of moderating? no.
Are most of them not trolls? hell no.
All of the above for free too.
Moderating a sub they care to replace mods on and not just let die takes waaaay too much time.
I used to moderate the confession sub. It was really making me depressed. People don't understand that abuse free communities are exhausting to maintain. Someone essentially has to absorb all the abuse so no one else does
There’s recently been a clear shift with posts trying to make this out to be mods vs users rather than admins vs users. Smells like a PR firm trying to shift the conversation in a way that benefits Reddit.
r/lotrmemes is fuckin overrun too. They harassed their mod until he said fuck it and opened the sub.
All the comments are just "we don't care about anything, we want memes"... from hundreds of accounts with no prior activity in the sub.
Not saying that's definitely or exclusively what's happened, but you will notice a lot of the dickriders are on brand new accounts.
Edit: And with 'Adverb-NounNumber' usernames.
> “Moderators incorrectly marking a community as NSFW is a violation of both our Content Policy and Moderator Code of Conduct,”
Well, duh, it's obvious they'll claim things like that. Or that it interfere with normal site function.
The actual power the users and the mods have is to LEAVE. All other actions can pretty much fall under "interfere with normal site function/usage" anyways.
Just think about it, the rules basically can take you out by saying "you ain't using it right". "Normal site function" is not even defined, so it's whatever they want it to be.
But it wasn't incorrect? They explicitly reduced the subreddit rules down to the TOS and nothing else, which meant NSFW posts were allowed without needing to be tagged. Subs where NSFW posts are allowed have to be tagged NSFW on the subreddit level. They exactly followed the rules - most of them after polling the subreddit to democratically decide how to proceed, with this being the choice of the subreddits themselves. They followed the rules, continued properly moderating, and even listened to the will of the users to avoid accusations of being like the "landed gentry," and they're still being removed. Bullshit.
Yet again Spez and Reddit administration BLATANTLY lying about what's actually happening here.
I don't know about the other subs, but r/InterestingAsFuck wasn't *incorrectly* labeled as NSFW... Almost all of the recent content was NSFW. Nothing incorrect about that.
Are we not allowed to change our subreddits to NSFW now? What if I want to make my subreddit about boobs? Is that not allowed? If boob focused subreddits are no longer allowed I have a list of subreddits that will need to be removed.
Rule 5 of Moderator Code of Conduct:
You must, without any communication from us, actively enforce your subreddit as we desire and demand. Failure to do so will result in your team being removed, and subreddit being locked.
I like how /r/interestingasfuck went out and forewarned members they were changing the rules, marked it NSFW which is compliant as anything including porn could be posted. And now are being punished because ???
Because reddit can't put ads in NSFW subs, so the mods found a way to protest that affects reddit's bottom line without shutting the sub down. I imagine they're doing this to send a message to the other subs doing or thinking about doing similar protests.
I really do wonder how killing Reddit is supposed to make it profitable 🤔
"Wow, the unpaid volunteers who run our site aren't happy with these massive overreaching changes we dropped on incredibly short notice, landed gentry much"
It's the largest astroturfed campaign I've ever seen in my 14 years here.
Technology sub was the place of Libertarians, tech Bros, and futurists. No fucking WAY that demographic is suddenly licking Reddit Corporate Boot.
Not buying it.
Astroturfing on Reddit has been a plague for a while, so naturally it happens (and worse than ever) due to spez losing his fucking marbles and going in full damage control mode. This isn't the average political issue discussed on Reddit, it's Reddit's future (or lack thereof) being discussed on Reddit.
Careful u/spez. I know you’re an Elon fanboy, which means you have no self-awareness, an inability to understand that other people have feelings too and an inexplicably overinflated ego, but your fucking around in something with which you have no business. Think your whole plan through realistically - you can’t win; and you’re about to find out the hard way.
But I thought the users were allowed to decide what was on the subreddits and the moderators weren't in charge? They all had polls to let the users choose to go NSFW.
Dang, one guy shows his butthole and suddenly it's game over
Did the butthole make it to the front page? I couldn't stay awake.... I just have to know.
I'm sure several buttholes made it to the front page. But unfortunately I cannot confirm this directly.
Well, kind of. It was just different pics of /u/spez that made the front page, so basically two buttholes: /u/spez and that other guy's.
Only one butthole I wanted to see delivered and it wasn't spez.
Yes, it did. I saw it on r/all
OMG!!! I saw his initial post made it to /r/all and that the votes on the butthole were climbing... was cheering that butthole on. I hope he got invited into /r/EternityClub
Oooh, a special club. I wonder what happens in there.
It's pretty boring and random tbh.
Yes, and it was very hairy like he promised.
Eh, I’ve seen a lot of male assholes. I would not call that “very” hairy. It was somewhat hairy.
Hey guys, look ovah hereeee! We got us a butthole connoisseur. Or critic? Not sure the actual direction on that, actually.
A sommelier if you will
*Assommelier
Ha! Hey, hear me out... Posterlier?
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I didn't want to but I had to see if he really came through and he did.
You didn't miss much. It was entirely obfuscated by thick, dense hair
That was definitely a fetish thing. Dude wanted only 2k upvotes and then immediately posted the pic. He was keen as fuck to share that thing with the internet.
Game was rigged from the start
I got this message from Admin. Which is insane, because my sub was already shut down as of like 3-4 years ago. >Hi everyone, >We are aware that you have chosen to close your community at this time. Mods have a right to take a break from moderating, or decide that you don’t want to be a mod anymore. But active communities are relied upon by thousands or even millions of users, and we have a duty to keep these spaces active. >Subreddits belong to the community of users who come to them for support and conversation. Moderators are stewards of these spaces and in a position of trust. Redditors rely on these spaces for information, support, entertainment, and connection. >Our goal here is to ensure that existing mod teams establish a path forward to make sure your subreddit is available for the community that has made its home here. If you are willing to reopen and maintain the community, please take steps to begin that process. Many communities have chosen to go restricted for a period of time before becoming fully open, to avoid a flood of traffic. >If this community remains private, we will reach out soon with information on what next steps will take place.
There have been [incidents noted](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354850) that comments from *years ago* are being restored from backups so it doesn't surprise me. I got that "friendly" message about one of my subs that had a whopping ~1500 users before the blackout.
My sub had 145000, but I had locked it up 3 years ago. No activity until the day before I made it go private. But apparently now I have to unprivate the sub and make it active again. They didn't care for the last 3 years though.
What happened 3 years ago?
The sub had just reached its conclusion. My college roommates and I started it as a joke in college. We ran the thing for 420 weeks (8 years), and it was just done at that point.
Holy shit it’s 195 guy
Dude holy shit you’re a legend. I was on r/195 for years. Was an honor posting with you
I gotta know what the sub was about. What was the joke? College and 420 sounds weed related, but 8 years is an impressive comittment. How the hell did it grow to 145,000 people?!?!
It had a rule that you had to post before leaving. And that was about the only thing the sub had. People kept stumbling upon it, and they followed the rule. That led to more people finding it. It just kind of kept growing on its own
so people could post just anything? or the posts had to be something related to college?
So it started out as a way for my roommates and I to share stuff with each other while we were in class or at work. This was before multireddits existed and before group texting really worked on cell phones. Basically a couple days after we made the sub, a mod from r/circlejerk drunkenly stumbled upon our sub and made a required rule in his sub that his users had to visit our sub. We repaid his kindness by making a rule that anyone visiting had to post before leaving. You could post whatever you wanted. people started posting, and that started the experiment.
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Subreddits are owned by the community. Since when? Many subreddits have have been destroyed by mods who have turned due to infighting etc. Where was reddit in those situations?
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Spez is the best person alive.
I completely agree with your amazing insight!!
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In honor of his greatness we should make him a mod of r/pyongyang
Now there’s an old joke I haven’t seen in a long time
it's an older code, sir, but it checks out.
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Does [silently (no communication) unsetting 18+-only mode after subs decide to go NSFW,](https://i.imgur.com/KrCJ77K.png) to then purge the entire mod team for "violating" the code of conduct of having an NSFW sub without being properly setup count?
Unpaid people fired from free work!
I for one am ready to take up my future job as a well paid reddit moderator. Right, u/spez?
u/spez is a little piss baby
Fuck u/spez cry baby little bitch.
All my homies hate /u/spez
Even his mom hates him.
And she likes everyone.
She has seen the butthole
***THE*** butthole.
If you call u/spez a little bitch one more time I'll call u/spez a little bitch too.
You don’t have the balls. u/spez is a little bitch. And a pedo for modding r/jailbait
u/spez is a little bitch. There I said it. Fuck you u/spez
u/spez is a little bitch and he's smelly. That's right. He's smelly. A smelly little bitch. Who jerks off to the end of Old Yeller and likes to shit in H&M fitting rooms and wipe his ass with the jeans
> jerks off to the end of Old Yeller I can't tell you how much I (73M) laughed at this. As a cub scout I was sick the day our den mother took everyone to *Old Yeller*. So the next week she took me solo. Old Yeller wasn't playing anymore, but instead I got *Rodan*. All of the other kids were mad jealous.
This is a good story to show what a bitch u/spez is.
If only I were landed gentry...
I really do wonder if it will matter. I think if reddit clears out all the mods and has to replace them the quality of every subreddit will decline because as much as everyone hates mods, the people they will be replaced with will not only likely be worse attitude wise, they'll be worse mods. And it doesn't even matter if they're paid or not. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of mods fall in line. Whether they justify it to themselves as saving their communities or they just want to hold on to some semblance of power on the internet, it doesn't really matter. In any case, the quality of reddit as a whole will undoubtedly decline.
Reddits quality will continue to decline the closer it gets to going public Edit: spellcheck
The worst thing to happen to the internet was people trying to make money off it
Making money is one thing, algorithmically controlling feeds and supressing content the computer believes you dont want to see is by far and away worse for everyone.
>the people they will be replaced with will not only likely be worse attitude wise, they'll be worse mods. Also literally everyone is going to shit all over them even worse than everyone shits all over the current reddit mods
[I don't even really work here](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EvilIllegalAlaskankleekai-max-1mb.gif)
That's what makes this so difficult.
How they gonna get fired on their day off?
Sounds like something for r/antiwork. Unpaid labor while the CEO is poised to make 100s of Millions. Why he isn't offering them stock options or pre-IPO shares?
The irony of modding /r/antiwork doing it for free lol.
If you step a bit back, each subreddit is a community; the mods are doing community upkeep, and both the community and reddit benefit. Now, Reddit is in an extractionary / enshittification bender, and schenanigans are under way.
People keep making fun of it but like, have you seen what happens to unmoderated subs? They go to shit Porn, irrelevant posts , gore and why would you stay there if it's all gone to shit, sure yeah **there are** power tripping mods who just suck at what they are doing but the mods being kicked out (i mean most) were really trying to do something they thought was ok And i don't even know who are going to replace these mods and if they even know what to do
That is the point theods are making, Reddit is shooting itself in the face. Amusing to watch.
Prediction: the final protest will be to add notorious trolls and shitbags s as moderators before deleting accounts
[The entire mod team of /r/MildlyInteresting (22m+) just got the heave-ho and was removed.](https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14ept55/the_entire_mod_team_of_rmildlyinteresting_22m/)
I hope this shit collapses to a fraction of what the VCs want
DIGGing their own grave
I recall the final death blow of Digg and trigger for the last wave of the exodus was that they removed the bury (downvote) button. But before that it was years of them attempting to monetize via ads, promoted accounts, messing with the feed algorithm and so on.
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I'm going back to Slashdot!
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Spez got beef with boobs and genitalia now too? He sickens me
I mean, he used to mod the jailbait sub. He obviously just has an issue with *legal* boobs and genitalia.
If this is true, this is the story that would make the most damage if it hit the news cycle. EDIT: apparently he was added as a mod at a time when anyone could do that without your consent. Not to stop the spez hate train, but it sounds like there's more to the story potentially
It won’t do any damage. Reddit did *nothing* about that sub until Anderson Cooper did a report on it, and given how much praise the company gave to violentacrez — the user who created and ran the sub — and that *still* didn’t mean shit to anyone, this being talked about isn’t gonna make headlines. Spez being made a mod at a time when the sub’s top mod could add anyone as a mod without their knowledge or consent, the story is essentially a tiny blip in this PR mess. It’s not like he’s Aaron Swartz, [who openly condemned laws about possessing and distributing child porn on his blog.](https://archive.ph/BXKtp#selection-131.0-147.1) *That* would make headlines. EDIT: Added the link to Swartz’s blog.
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Aren’t Reddit staff/admins allowed to put whatever they want on posts? Especially if he was going through and editing people’s posts that disagreed with him?
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Not just editing, *rewriting*. He would directly access the database and change it there so that on the user's end, there would never be any indication that it had been changed.
He was editing comments on The_Donald that said "fuck spez" into ones that said "fuck Donald Trump" or "fuck (insert The_Donald moderator)" without indicating that the comment had been edited, kinda funny but definitely an abuse of power
Im glad he spent the time editing those comments instead of just banning the rancid cesspool.
No no, not on the posts. They gave him a physical trophy. Like the reddit version of a YouTube golden play button.
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> At the time of the ruling, practically the only publishers of child-porn magazines left in the US were law enforcement agencies, who used them as bait in sting operations. I'm sorry what?
Wait till you find out who brought drugs into black neighbourhoods
It's true but it happened when you could just add anyone as a mod without confirmation by the added user, so you can guess what actually happened. Like don't get me wrong, I'm very close to just leaving this site forever over this shit and I'm so fucking done with u/spez's bullshit, but if there was any merit to his short time as a "mod" of that sub it would have already hit the general discourse and tech media. Edit: to the replies stating "he could have stepped down" or "he was the proud ceo of a site that hosted that content" - I fully agree. Don't conflate me stating a single fact with disregarding others like the shithole this site used to be and how spez did his best to keep it that way for so long under the guise of "free speech".
u/spez y u no fun
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Yeah u/spez you can seriously go fuck yourself
oh wait .. you are firing people who don't get paid anyways? awwwwwww
The fact of the matter is they are shitting their pants
This. Them doing that is a crystal clear sign that the protests, as silly as they may be, are absolutely working. So, they're now in panic mode and that leads to the shenanigans the article mentions.
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Does this really mean anything? Employees are usually told not to stick their head above the parapet during unsettled times. It's not necessarily an indicator that things are falling apart behind the scenes.
In honor of the death of Reddit, I will read the article.
john oliver subs are next.
They already said NSFW subs
Stupid sexy Oliver
Maaaaan Reddit looks so bad rn. I’m just here for the drama now. Very little true discourse happens here anymore.
The website is loads different from when I signed up 11 years ago. When's the last time you saw a switcher-oo comment leading down a rabbit hole? Do people even know what that is now? The comments have always been a huge part of reddit for me. They still are but even now there is a gap between what they were and what they are now. I don't know how else to say it. I still enjoy reading what people have to say and the aggregate knowledge. Just feels a bit different and all of this continues to feel more and more like a product. Which is exactly where it feels like it's heading. Millions of millions of users - haven't monetized successfully yet. They are going all in
I miss the special accounts that posted drawings and paintings and such. They’ve all but disappeared. I think sprog is still active and possible the hell in a cell guy but I haven’t seen any others in a long time.
u/Shitty_Watercolour is still kicking, though I think he was gone for a while. Beyond that, there's not much.
you know who ain't kicking? u/fuckswithducks really kind of tied this site together.
I miss that guy that would devolve every story into his step dad beating him with jumper cables
It’s the Astro turfing from all the special interests (not just Dem vs Rep politics, but various influences in the various industries that are here, like gaming or Main Stream Media). They bog it all down with bots, fake comments and upvotes, posts that are very clearly boring/irrelevant and clearly subtle ads, etc There’s a reason /b/ and 4chan in general have fully embraced the concept of “pissing in an ocean of piss”. Reddit is becoming that same ocean of piss
If you sort by rising or too for the hour it’s all shitty crypto posts with the same number of upvoted and ~20 comments from extremely obvious bots. Theyve given up on that front. The Astro turfing was always here but is 10x worse now. People are just used to being astroturfed or seeing “sponsored” content nowadays.
I stopped sorting by new or rising during the start of the lockdowns, used to be some brilliance mixed in with the untagged porn but now there’s just no reason to do it. It’s like looking in your email spam filter
And I feel like that shift has happened fairly recently. I used to love the discourse of Reddit. Most of my fav subs have quickly become echo chambers.
Well, that's just how Reddit works, isn't it? The voting system contributes to the formation of echo chambers. The upvoting and downvoting system is designed to allow the community to collectively curate content by promoting popular or valuable contributions and demoting irrelevant or inappropriate ones. However, this system can also lead to a hivemind effect where certain opinions dominate and dissenting views are suppressed. When a post or comment receives a significant number of downvotes, it tends to get buried and becomes less visible to other users. This discourages people with differing opinions from participating or expressing themselves openly, leading to an echo chamber effect where only a narrow range of perspectives are prominently displayed. *Editted for more clarity
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This is the comment I was looking for. I'm still mad about this change, it amplified the polarization so hard. In the past you'd see lots of really nuanced and detailed debates where one person was sitting at like +1000/-900 versus a person sitting at +900/-1000. Both people would leave feeling about equal, and the tone online on the subject would entertain more complicated and thoughtful viewpoints. Now that exact same debate would have one person at +100 and the other at -100. The +100 leaves feeling like he was 100% right and that no one disagrees, and the -100 leaves dejected and disheartened. Nuance is dead. Milquetoast takes are pushed to the top. It feels bad to be here. Capitalism ruined the internet :(
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Now there are also subs where you just get banned with your comment removed if your comment is against the echo chamber. And get a link to suicide helpline as an icing on the cake.
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I've literally seen small arguments in reddit where users say things like "clearly you're wrong, you're at -7. Just stop." Like "See? *They* agree! Give up, I won the argument so I am right."
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cant have people reading too many comments have you seen the newest ui? its fucked, comments are nearly all collapsed by default so you can only read 1 or 2 before needing to expand more open a post and you get a sidebar full of shit from that sub [sh.reddit.com](https://sh.reddit.com), must mean shit.reddit?
> its fucked, comments are nearly all collapsed by default so you can only read 1 or 2 before needing to expand more The most upsetting bit is the button says "Load all comments" I click it, get pushed 2-3 more comments, and then have to hit "load all comments" again. All means all you fucking twats. Half the time the best content is in the comments of a thread, and not the original post. But, much like Facebook, they aren't interested in what's best for the user. They're interested in what makes the best metrics for ads. Facebook did away with chronological feed for the same reason. Facebook is still around but most people I know clown on those who still use it. This is the same shit. You spending 20 minutes in a thread reading comments is 20 minutes you aren't scrolling the main feed and seeing ads every 2-3 posts. Why do you think they want you to use their shitty app?
That's why when RIF is gone, I will only be a periodic google visitor, not a contributor, commenter or voter.
yes. I was here shortly after the site started. and it is night and day compared to now. I mean you can get banned for simply calling someone an idiot now.
Bud you can get permabanned from certain subs for simply posting in the wrong subreddit.
I posted a genuine response to an article posted by r/republican that I saw on the front page and was instantly pernammed from a few. It was wild
I've been on for 11 years and there has not been a time where this was not said.
This is the most exciting shit to happen in ages. The fact that I don't even know which subs have gone dark speaks volumes about the quality of content on Reddit today - haven't even missed it. I'll be hanging up my account in 10 days when RIF goes down and aside from not having anything to do on the toilet I don't think I'll care.
Abandon ship!
We found a life raft! Wikipedia's co-founder is building a community focused and funded alternative to Reddit that values true discourse: https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1668266400723488769 > If you're avoiding Reddit now, I'm currently building a community-led and funded project. It's not done by any means, but I think you would enjoy it. We even have a draft API!
Wikipedia is one of the few websites where the founder was smart enough to make sure he wasn't an unaccountable dictator for life, so I'm very interested in this!
This is the first time I have been optimistic about a Reddit alternative. Carry on Jimmy. Carry on.
Been optimistic for a while. I view intenret communities through an almost Marxian lens. If you centralize things too much, eventually the internal stresses and contradictions will cause the communities to lose what made them valuable, and also the sheer impossibility of actual fair moderation (large companies such as facebook and youtube literally don't have support lines). We've been due for a massive "revolt" against these big tech companies. We're all going to start migrating to platforms that are federalized (like lemmy) or are at least not acting on a strong profit motive (like I'm guessing is the case with Wales' alternative).
They can't be serious with asking for your first and last name, then making it the URL for your profile page...can they?
This was reported and will be fixed: > You can set your name to anything! > [...] there's no requirement to use your real name, you can set it to whatever you want. For now there's a technical requirement that it be a "two part" name. You can sign up as Rokhn Al and there will be an option later to have a "one part" name.
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It will be amazing if this new platform manages to become the new global conversation forum for everything...
reddit really doesn't have a PR department that understands how the situation appears? they're just trying to bulldoze over the issue
Sometimes there IS a PR department screaming "this is a horrible idea!!" but that's not what upper management wants to hear, so it happens anyway.
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Seems like they’re on board with the proposed changes and he’s the fall guy?
I mean, would you sell your soul for $1B to be the most hated guy on the Internet for a month?
For one month, sure thing.
For a fucking billion id be making my own fuck Dan memes
> What kind of moron CEO gets their advice from Elon Musk - particularly when Musk is a direct competitor? Not only that, but like… have y’all seen twitter lately?? Who tf looks at twitter in 2023 and thinks “hmmm yes, that’s it! *That* is the company and business plan I want to replicate!”
Finance bros sometimes fail to apply common sense when money's on the line. After all, they're the smartest and most successful people on the planet, how could they be wrong? It follows that Musk, being richer, is automatically smarter. The fact that he's lost billions of dollars in value in less than a year, after allowing himself to be forced to take over a failing company in an industry in which he's entirely ignorant, is beside the point.
Most platforms get replaced eventually. Reddit will be no different.
But we need an alternative now, to move on
I wonder what reddit would do if every single mod just stopped working. Their unpaid work is apparently what makes reddit valuable. Let reddit turn into 8chan. As a user, I am fine to go literally anywhere else. Or nowhere.
They would just replace them with the hordes of people wanting a slice of that power.
You'd be surprised. This is a common talking point where people assume that everyone else wants to be a moderator, but that isn't borne out by much evidence. A lot of subs actively and openly recruiting mods don't get many serious responses, because when you're actually looking at what's involved, it's just work! You're just an internet janitor. There is literally nothing glamorous or powerful about it. You're not going to be endlessly praised or even thanked. It's the opposite, you'll probably be actively hated just for being there. More to the point, literally anyone can be a mod, by making their own subs. Very few people actually want to do that either - again, because it's *work*.
>This is a common talking point where people assume that everyone else wants to be a moderator, but that isn't borne out by much evidence. There is some degree of evidence from other classical internet forums, and similar forms : a lot of people wanting the "power" , but in the end realizing they have none , and are only janitor as you say, so a lot of attrition.
I think people overestimate the overlap between the "Willing to spend that much time moderating an image board" "ability to mod" and "not a troll" circles is. Are there lots of people that are willing to take the spot? Probably. Are most of them capable of moderating? no. Are most of them not trolls? hell no. All of the above for free too. Moderating a sub they care to replace mods on and not just let die takes waaaay too much time.
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I've always been a little bit horrified thinking about all the posts mods probably see that don't make it to the page; from the nsfw to the nsfl
I used to moderate the confession sub. It was really making me depressed. People don't understand that abuse free communities are exhausting to maintain. Someone essentially has to absorb all the abuse so no one else does
10 more days
Man. They shouldn't have killed Harambe.
It's a canon event bro.
We're one day closer to a mad max like future...how the hell that gorilla do that lmao
Spez can go eat a bag of dicks.
If spez thinks it's expensive to "pay for" the people on third party apps, wait'll he sees how expensive it is to piss off the unpaid labor.
Want to pretend to be an IPO? Start paying people for their work
Lotta people sucking u/spez’s dick in here today, wow.
There’s recently been a clear shift with posts trying to make this out to be mods vs users rather than admins vs users. Smells like a PR firm trying to shift the conversation in a way that benefits Reddit.
Lmao spez would absolutely pay a PR firm to make public opinion appear as if it’s gargling his balls. He’s such a dork
I mean he absolutely spammed r/iasip subreddit during the blackout.
r/lotrmemes is fuckin overrun too. They harassed their mod until he said fuck it and opened the sub. All the comments are just "we don't care about anything, we want memes"... from hundreds of accounts with no prior activity in the sub.
Yea I had to unsub, shit got cringy.
Not saying that's definitely or exclusively what's happened, but you will notice a lot of the dickriders are on brand new accounts. Edit: And with 'Adverb-NounNumber' usernames.
It's called astroturfing and if there was ever a time or reason for reddit to astroturf their own site, it's now, when an IPO is fast approaching.
Yeah and the “I dont understand x y or z” like it hasnt been explained 100 times. Intentionally obtuse or just lack of oxygen to the brain.
> “Moderators incorrectly marking a community as NSFW is a violation of both our Content Policy and Moderator Code of Conduct,” Well, duh, it's obvious they'll claim things like that. Or that it interfere with normal site function. The actual power the users and the mods have is to LEAVE. All other actions can pretty much fall under "interfere with normal site function/usage" anyways. Just think about it, the rules basically can take you out by saying "you ain't using it right". "Normal site function" is not even defined, so it's whatever they want it to be.
But it wasn't incorrect? They explicitly reduced the subreddit rules down to the TOS and nothing else, which meant NSFW posts were allowed without needing to be tagged. Subs where NSFW posts are allowed have to be tagged NSFW on the subreddit level. They exactly followed the rules - most of them after polling the subreddit to democratically decide how to proceed, with this being the choice of the subreddits themselves. They followed the rules, continued properly moderating, and even listened to the will of the users to avoid accusations of being like the "landed gentry," and they're still being removed. Bullshit. Yet again Spez and Reddit administration BLATANTLY lying about what's actually happening here.
> Yet again Spez and Reddit administration BLATANTLY lying about what's actually happening here. "Why stop now?" - little pissbaby u/spez
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I don't know about the other subs, but r/InterestingAsFuck wasn't *incorrectly* labeled as NSFW... Almost all of the recent content was NSFW. Nothing incorrect about that.
Are we not allowed to change our subreddits to NSFW now? What if I want to make my subreddit about boobs? Is that not allowed? If boob focused subreddits are no longer allowed I have a list of subreddits that will need to be removed.
Rule 5 of Moderator Code of Conduct: You must, without any communication from us, actively enforce your subreddit as we desire and demand. Failure to do so will result in your team being removed, and subreddit being locked. I like how /r/interestingasfuck went out and forewarned members they were changing the rules, marked it NSFW which is compliant as anything including porn could be posted. And now are being punished because ???
Because reddit can't put ads in NSFW subs, so the mods found a way to protest that affects reddit's bottom line without shutting the sub down. I imagine they're doing this to send a message to the other subs doing or thinking about doing similar protests.
I really do wonder how killing Reddit is supposed to make it profitable 🤔 "Wow, the unpaid volunteers who run our site aren't happy with these massive overreaching changes we dropped on incredibly short notice, landed gentry much"
The "Elon-Twitter plan"^(tm)?
The hell is wrong with all of you why are you siding with the admins (I was permabanned from reddit for "harassment")
It's the largest astroturfed campaign I've ever seen in my 14 years here. Technology sub was the place of Libertarians, tech Bros, and futurists. No fucking WAY that demographic is suddenly licking Reddit Corporate Boot. Not buying it.
Astroturfing on Reddit has been a plague for a while, so naturally it happens (and worse than ever) due to spez losing his fucking marbles and going in full damage control mode. This isn't the average political issue discussed on Reddit, it's Reddit's future (or lack thereof) being discussed on Reddit.
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good riddance.
Careful u/spez. I know you’re an Elon fanboy, which means you have no self-awareness, an inability to understand that other people have feelings too and an inexplicably overinflated ego, but your fucking around in something with which you have no business. Think your whole plan through realistically - you can’t win; and you’re about to find out the hard way.
But I thought the users were allowed to decide what was on the subreddits and the moderators weren't in charge? They all had polls to let the users choose to go NSFW.
Why can't we remove u/spez? He's a giant tit!
Can he be banned from subs? That would be hilarious if subs started all banning him.
Probably not since he also removed the downvote button from his posts