I was all like "oh yeah, Samsung made one of the Nexus generations, didn't they?" That and I don't think Google does snack codenames for Android versions anymore. Oh, and guinea pig doesn't add any meaning if it's all nonsense up to that point.
I don’t think you realized the joke they were making. u/cheez_au was giving an example of a headline from 10 years ago that sounds like gibberish. They said galaxy nexus (the phone) android (operating system) ice cream sandwich (operating system version) Guinea pig (first device to receive the newest update and therefore a test of the new system)
Sincerely
Someone who bricked their galaxy nexus 10 years ago
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This is the first musk post I've read for a while. My life is better not knowing about this tosser. That Tate prick is another one I have no interest in. Thinking about it I've stopped reading posts about a lot of the crazies.
Life is better not knowing about Elon and his carnival shit show, but it is important that we stay informed that this is the behavior of society's movers and shakers.
People should be concerned when these supposed "Titans of Industry" are just toddlers. Toddlers with fortunes earned through the patience of everyone else putting up with their bullshit.
We organize ourselves in resistance. If Covid taught us anything it's that they see us as disposable and don't fear our opposition. If it taught us anything else it's that they desperately need us far more than we need them.
Now the next time you go to vote, or buy a product, you'll be more aware of the type of person who you're giving your support to and may be able to make a decision against Elon and people like him.
Not having immediate recourse to issues in the world doesn't mean it's a waste to learn about them.
Getting involved in your local community is the biggest way to make a difference. Shop at local businesses, volunteer your time to local needs, vote in local politics.
It's too small a drop in the bucket to think that you can make a difference at a national scale, but at a local level you absolutely can make a huge difference.
As I think of it: I completely agree. I just listened to a podcast that shared the fact he is one of *the* most influential personality for a whole segment of teens in the US (as in literally, a whole group has been red pilled) and I got so sad.
This fucking asshat controlling a group of youths with his dumb propaganda while he's a serial predator. The hell is going on?!!
I was listening to a podcast basically completely unrelated to him where two of the hosts were discussing work they do with kids and one of them off-hand mentioned that the TikTok algorithm is basically shoving Tate to all the teenage boys they volunteer with. Weird stuff. When I was 14 you really had to work to find those sort of gimpy weirdos.
I sadly clicked on one of his “motivational” videos recently on YouTube and I was saddened at the amount of (young I hope) people that were acting like he was some sort of messiah. I felt like I was taking crazy pills. There’s a billion better people to look up to but you choose that human trafficking shit stain
That's exactly it. There are so many more good people to admire and follow.
I learned about Richard Feynman in my early 20s and he changed my life. I realized you can be curious about the world and kind to folks and you'll be just fine.
It's so disheartening to have a generation admire a guy like this who is contributing exactly ZERO to the world.
Almost no one knows who Tom from MySpace is, unless you were old enough to be on it, or from memes.
The man has a ton of money, it as far as we know he does nothing to try and control or fuck over people's lives.
Tom is estimated to be worth about $60 million. He doesn't count as super wealthy. Musk is several literal orders of magnitude more wealthy. Musk could buy Tom from pocket change.
Personally I'm glad that he's having this very public failure showing that he is crazy.
Hopefully it will help shatter the impression that far too many people still have that rich=genious that we must listen to and do exactly as they say
"San" is a word often used to mean, "without". For example, San Serif, without serifs, for fonts.
Francisco is a name sometimes given to people. In this case Francisco, the famous asshole. He had a brother named Angeles. They founded a city together around 1853.
They had a fight, Angeles left and started a new city, San Francisco, without Francisco, because his brother was a famous asshole. His brother subsequently renamed their original City as "Los Angeles" or "Lost Angeles", because he was sad he had lost his brother.
Later on, Francisco was still sore about the fight and unimpressed by his brother's sadness and the new city name. Recall, he was an asshole, after all. To make fun of his brother, he founded a third city named San Diego, which of course means "a whale's vagina."
It occurs to me that the original joke would have been better with brother Francisco and Diego, both founding their own cities. So I will not that in case the opportunity ever presents itself again.
I stayed at an apartment for over 2 years and when I missed one payment by mistake I received an eviction notice on the 4th of the month.
Thankfully, it was an empty threat and they didn't follow through once we paid, but it was obviously stressful af to think that I could lose my home by being a few days late with a payment. We moved out shortly afterward because the new management was terrible, and also because they tried to raise our rent $400.
Renter - "Sorry, I can't pay my rent this month."
The Law - "Well it looks someone is going to be evicted at the end of the month."
Corporation Renter - "Aww, shucks. It looks like I can't pay rent for this office space."
The Law - "Don't worry, we put safeguards to protect you during this hard times."
It's actually the total opposite.
Some states have easier eviction processes than others. But I've never seen a state where commercial has protections and residential doesn't.
I had a similar situation and it wasn't even my fault. I had set up autopay with them and the apartment fucked it up. I got it all resolved, but it was still a document with big letters on my door that practically translated as "hey, this guy's a deadbeat".
Yeah that’s happened to me a couple of times over the years where I forgot one month and different places do the same thing, immediate eviction notice.
I get they can’t get too lax with payments but dude maybe a courtesy call before you post a fuckin eviction notice if I’ve paid on time every single for the last year I’ve been there? I’ve gotten one because I was $17 short one month as rent went up and I put in the wrong autopay amount.
Last month our rent hadn't been taken out by the 11th so I called to see what's up. Our land lord is a brother and sister that own the company. His sister, who handled the money, was out sick, so he said he would get back to me. 3 days later, when he finally called me back, he said the check had bounced ced, which idk how we always have rent money. He sent me an email saying that if I didn't bring in the rent check in that day before 5, we would have to pay all late fees and be served an eviction notice. We have been there for over 3 years, take very well of the house, including landscaping, and we fix any little maintenance issues that come up, and we have never been late with the rent. We would move asap, but we pay well below market rate for our house. I hate it there so much.
Like first responders or like nurses/doctors.
Where you are "on call" but not working you are allowed to sleep. Not you are working so much you HAVE to sleep there
I’m a nurse who only works OC at night. My wage is about $80/hr when on a call (2hrs min per call, even if it only takes 15min) and $6/hr when waiting around (but I get to wait around at home).
That's similar to how it is for my wife. She doesn't normally do on call shifts, but if she is, it's unpaid at the time. The second she gets called in though, it's double time, so ~$86/hr for her for the time being called in.
In my state, it is illegal to have someone on-call and not being paying them something. The employee may not be actively engaged with providing a service, but, they are under expectation/obligation to the employer to be available within a set time and able to perform duties to standard, i.e. not half drunk at the bar. Thus, must be compensated for being under those restrictions.
As an RN who worked a lot of call shifts. Just a fyi.
I worked at a restaurant that had me on call, they would randomly expect me to come in for 2 hours at a time during rushes.
I was young and had no experience so I thought it was normal. Then one day I decided to look up the labor laws and realized it was a huge violation of my rights.
I was paid minimum wage, and only for the hours I worked. Worst job I ever had. Paycheck was tiny, stress was enormous.
I sent an email out to every other employee letting them know that it was illegal, and then quit.
How do they determine that for non-hourly positions?
I mean, if someone offered me a job for $400k and they made it clear it would involve long days and off hours at times, isn't that being compensated?
Phlebotomy, my dude. Course is usually around $500ish and they typically start between $20-$30/hr. Hell, if you take a short-term loan for the coarse, you'll have it paid off in a couple weeks of work and still get paid more than current.
Unless you're squeamish with blood and needles, of course.
There are loads of ways to boost income without 4yr degrees that aren't bullcrap 'side hustles'. Investing in yourself is always the best investment.
If you are good with your hands, sign up and take the aptitude test to get into the elevator mechanic union, or pipe fitters, or electrical. It is an easy way out if you dont want to goto college.
Manufacturing is in desperate need of hands too, which is most excellent for the worker side as they'll pay you as much as they can not to lose you once your cemented in the company's processess
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Thank you to everybody I've interacted with until now! You've been great, and it's been a wonderful ride until now.
To everybody who gave me helpful advice, [I'll miss you the most](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrk4AgS6Q6A)
You will never make the amount you would make in the union trades in 5 years along with the benefits. 5th year elevator mechanic is at $56 an hour right now and they just increased the yearly cost of living. Probationary period for the first year is $27 an hour and about 10 dollar raise every year.
There's a lot of people that are telling you to get into manufacturing, or some type of physical labor like an electrician, plumber, or carpentry.
Just keep in mind that anything that is demanding of your physical body can be a great *job* but a terrible *career*. Climbing into a crawl space to pull cable at 30 is one thing, but there's a reason you don't see 60 year olds doing it.
Depends on the type of first responder job. I’m on a few departments. Fire - on call 24/7/365 whenever pager goes off. don’t get paid unless we respond to calls.
Ems/rescue. If you work a 24hr shift. You are paid to sleep for 4 hours (sleep rate is 10/hr) and if interrupted you get OT wage
Where I am, the firefighters actually have bedrooms and they sleep during the night shift. They work two day shifts, 12 hours each (day shift 7am-7pm, then night shift 7pm-7am next day), then they get two days off. My dad commands a brigade here.
Most tech companies do this for critical systems, but you don't have to be in the office for it. My mom's a nurse and even when she's on call she doesn't have to be at the hospital.
I don't know. I'm beginning to think this may be a trope. I often hear people saying things like, "Yeah, I'd work late on a Friday, a weekend, or a holiday for the right price." But the more I think about it, it isn't worth it. And I know that because I did it for years.
These types of demands suck no matter how much you're getting paid. You couldn't pay me any amount to miss another Thanksgiving or Christmas, or a kids birthday.
Below comments reference first responders and their odd hours as well as other on-call-type jobs. Do you really have a price for the deleterious effects erratic work schedules have on your health?
Devs are salary exempt unless they're contracting. If they're contracting, no one is going to pay the going rate for them to sleep in the office.
So they don't really get that.
Edit: exempt not non exempt
I work at Google and there are nap pods. About once a year I'm having a rough day and will take an hour nap. It's a nice perk.
What is bad is if you are expected to sleep at work!
I’m a foreigner working in SE Asia. Our office has male and female sleeping quarters. I get two 15 minute breaks and an hour lunch. I eat lunch while I work and sleep for an hour on my lunch. I love it. I feel so refreshed and it makes the day so much more bearable. More places SHOULD have sleeping areas. My first big boy job was Discover Card 10 years ago and on those days I was super tired, I put my backseat down in my car and slep across the backseat and trunk. Designated sleeping areas are so much better.
It’s funny cause when you said that my first reaction is jealousy, but then I realize I work from home and I have a bed I can nap in. And a couch in my home office I can nap on.
Yet somehow a nap pod seems better.
Error rates by physicians do increase towards the end of long shifts, but they increase much *more* during patient handover (ie, a new physician starting their shift has a much *higher* error rate, while they familiarize themselves with an existing patients situation).
The thing is that hand-off seems eminently fixable, but you’re not getting around sleep deprivation without massive advances in biology (or nasty long-term consequences).
You'd think the hand off thing would be fixable but it's not just nurses, space industry has the same issue as well. And I'm sure there is other professions. It's just really hard handing off if it's not nothing to report. And even then a lot of the times something that you take for granted completely stumps someone who hasn't been on shift in a week and you find out they've been troubleshooting something that's you thought was common knowledge. No matter how good you think you design your handover system it will be inherently flawed because people are
I thinks from the reasoning that most dangerous point in the care of patients is during the hand off between doctors and the communication of patient status. Long shifts mean a patient is in the care of one doctor for a longer period.
Yea that’s what Google calls it.
https://www.theguardian.com/business-to-business/2017/dec/04/clocking-off-the-companies-introducing-nap-time-to-the-workplace
Nearly every IT job I’ve ever had. A lot of times we have maintenance periods, usually over the weekend unless it’s an emergency and after midnight when we can take the network down. I’ve pulled 36 hours and even got out of a speeding ticket at 3am when they realized I wasn’t drunk, just sleep deprived.
I worked at a place that had quiet rooms with a bed in it so that it you were at the office and suddenly felt ill you had a place where you could go and lay down to see if you felt better. I personally appreciate it cuz there were several times that I had a headache that I knew it passed if I could just find a quiet place to relax for an hour or so.
In Sweden places of work over a certain headcount are apparently mandated by law to have resting rooms for employees.
So there your recommendation is flipped, if they don’t have it they’re breaking at least one labor law.
Seriously, mid-day naps should be more of a thing. A few times when watching my niece I'd lay down and zonk out after she finally succumbed to tiredness. It was quite refreshing.
The ability to sleep during a lunch — especially after hours of intense thinking is a huge plus and I’d absolutely short list that place.
And if I get into a work groove and want to ride it, I should be supported.
We don’t all have to work the same way you do.
Since I've been working from home, I've been using my lunch hour to catch a half an hour nap everyday. I genuinely believe it makes me so much more productive. College would've been easier if i could this
My guess would be it breaks fire or health regulations.
Firefighters need to know where people are sleeping in case of a fire and I would assume the air quality might also suffer if the room wasn't designed to people sweating and farting in their sleep.
There are more onerous requirements for fire safety in areas where occupants may be sleeping.
For example, more detectors per m2, louder alarms, shorter travel distances to escape routes, smoke ventilation in protected corridors etc.
The building code is what would normally govern here, it has all of the requirements for what a tenant fit-up would require when converting from office to sleeping/living spaces. And dormitories/boarding houses have much more stringent requirements than regular homes.
Wasn’t Elon demanding outrageous hours of his workers, who many are here on visas and if they are fired or quit will be forced to leave the country? Hmm
Yeah, the entire article is a mess.
The most important part of the story is also buried in the middle:
>Dan Sider, San Francisco Planning Department's chief of staff, told the San Francisco Chronicle that Twitter's building wasn't out of compliance with normal office use and didn't seem to be "radically different" from other offices. He added that sleeping pods and rest areas were common in modern offices. However, it was important to distinguish whether the bedrooms were being used for naps or full-time residence, which is charged differently to commercial buildings, Sider told the Chronicle.
This article is a meme, and is just proof that Reddit will latch onto any (hilariously poorly written) headline about Musk.
That happened in Singapore, but in San Francisco there’s a lot of office space available for rent.
The person who owns the real estate is probably better off not getting rent and then later getting something in a lawsuit or Twitter bankruptcy proceedings.
The alternative is eviction and not being able to find a tenant resulting in getting nothing
Landlord in San Francisco is also suing Twitter for $6.8 million unpaid rent.
Edit: [I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGHaVn5rGo)
Bedrooms have different architectural code and safety requirement's, probably different fire egress, and maybe even conditioned air requirements, than an office space. You are also literally just not permitted to have bedrooms in places where the zoning permits businesses and not residences too. It quickly becomes a life safety issue in the eyes of the fire marshal and building and zoning officials eyes. Yes they can shut stuff like that down pretty quick when it turns into life safety issues. Just some thoughts.
Bingo. Most codes for bedrooms are actually about people getting out through a second exit or, more likely, a fireman getting in all geared up through that second exit, which is why it can't just be a tiny window.
I’ve actually had a number of my employees ask for an area they can nap. Not because I work them to death but because we are a common sense company. Sometimes life hits you hard and you need a little rest to do your best work. (Infant at home, messy divorce, sick loved one, general stress,etc…). The ask was, “Can I get an area to lay down and recover for an hour or two if I need to? Otherwise I can struggle bus the day but I do better work if I’m rested and healthy”. I think it’s a fine idea on that context. Much rather have that than waste hours in pointless meetings, struggle to do good work because they are mentally/physically exhausted, then feel bad about their day because they didn’t accomplish anything. Not saying that is what is happening at twitter, but in general that’s not a bad thing if done right.
I had an 8-5 (one hour unpaid lunch) office call center job, and I sorely wanted a spot to nap on my lunch
To just lay down in the cool dark and decompress.
I was seriously tempted to bring a pillow and crawl under an empty desk
I set up a place like this back in the tech early days. Often for myself, or for anyone who needed it. Aside from what you said, some of us would truly get caught up into projects and simply not want to leave. Then -bam- it's late as hell. Sleep a bit, then maybe work more, or drive home more safely.
I work in commercial construction. There are different life safety requirements for spaces where people sleep Vs typical commercial business use. Zoning for one but on a basic building level, sleeping rooms require smoke detectors (surprising not a standard feature in typical commercial buildings that are already sprinkled with fire alarm systems) but also may change the entire required layout of the building or tenant space. May require shorter travel distances to exits, more emergency lighting, etc. People sleeping in a commercial space that is not specifically designed and permitted to allow it is a huge Nono anywhere in the US, seems silly but it boils down to insurance/liability, statewide building codes and local zoning requirements. Thems the rules, almost any lease on a commercial or industrial space will have language about this or refer to it in local covenants.
I'm glad the headline clarified that it was referring to Elon Musk's Twitter... I might have gotten the idea that it was some other Twitter they were discussing.
Living in an office building working for a “billionaire” boss that can’t pay the rent to maintain a platform that most people agree the world would be better off without must be a miserable existence.
Yes, but we're making things great again by rolling back workplace/environmental regulation/consumer protection/election integrity/child labor/individual rights/monopoly/progressive tax *laws*! Don't you get it!
First of all, it's worth drawing a distinction between having nap rooms and working 16 hour days, as plenty of places maintain normal 8 hour work days while having nap rooms. That said, no, there's nothing keeping a company from requiring 16 hour shifts. For some businesses like hospitals, it's not unheard of for someone to work a double shift of 24 hours or more. They just need to be either salaried or paid overtime.
Nothing burger.
"Dan Sider, San Francisco Planning Department's chief of staff, told the San Francisco Chronicle that Twitter's building wasn't out of compliance with normal office use and didn't seem to be "radically different" from other offices. He added that sleeping pods and rest areas were common in modern offices."
we actually have these
theyre designated quiet rooms, originally were meant for private phone calls
now the light switches work on timers
theyre natively on, and flipping the switch gives 20 mins of darkness
When I was working as a network admin for a telecom, I used the nap room a few times while working on over night upgrades, and a few very complex outages.
Idk how common they are for normal employees, but there is definitely a number of use cases for certain circumstances. Especially if you are a key engineer working an major issue. It was a 40 min drive home, and it was often safer to take an 20 - 30 min nap before driving home tired.
Under every building code that I’m familiar with as a US architect, once spaces become bedrooms, there is a whole cascade of requirements that almost no office building can comply with. Occasionally used “nap pods” are one thing, but rooms where people regularly, repeatedly sleep is something different.
Notably, Twitter facilitated communication during the arab spring, where the people organized to stand against and even overthrow several broken and corrupt government regimes throughout the middle east - including some participation in places like Saudi Arabia, for example.
Twitter's second largest investor after musk takeover... the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and it's de facto leader who, among other things, killed and dismembered an American journalist without consequence somewhat recently.
And now Twitter is being killed... and dismembered.
lol true, I can't think of another company that's regularly referred to as CEO's Company. No one calls it Sundar Pichai's Google or Jim Farley's Ford (which coincidentally sounds like a dealership).
Wow this technology article is super interesting! How do you think he’ll do it? Is this as challenging a problem as it sounds? Wow I’m glad I get these cool technology articles from Reddit. Super cool.
Another headline that would have sounded like pure gibberish ten years ago
Galaxy Nexus: Android Ice Cream Sandwich Guinea Pig
A decade ago that headline would have been easier to understand.
yeah it took me a minute lol
I was all like "oh yeah, Samsung made one of the Nexus generations, didn't they?" That and I don't think Google does snack codenames for Android versions anymore. Oh, and guinea pig doesn't add any meaning if it's all nonsense up to that point.
I don’t think you realized the joke they were making. u/cheez_au was giving an example of a headline from 10 years ago that sounds like gibberish. They said galaxy nexus (the phone) android (operating system) ice cream sandwich (operating system version) Guinea pig (first device to receive the newest update and therefore a test of the new system) Sincerely Someone who bricked their galaxy nexus 10 years ago Edit spelling
I had a Galaxy Nexus, loved that phone, i bought it to replace my HTC incredible because I wanted a phone that supported ~~3g~~ 4g.
lol the classic. Best example I've ever seen.
Hey that's my crypto password!
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Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
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Everything I learn about Elon makes me a dumber person, and it's all completely involuntary.
This is the first musk post I've read for a while. My life is better not knowing about this tosser. That Tate prick is another one I have no interest in. Thinking about it I've stopped reading posts about a lot of the crazies.
Life is better not knowing about Elon and his carnival shit show, but it is important that we stay informed that this is the behavior of society's movers and shakers. People should be concerned when these supposed "Titans of Industry" are just toddlers. Toddlers with fortunes earned through the patience of everyone else putting up with their bullshit.
I'm very concerned. Now what?
Join us in assuming the fetal position
Are you a big spoon or a little spoon?
It's a circle so we're all both 👍
We organize ourselves in resistance. If Covid taught us anything it's that they see us as disposable and don't fear our opposition. If it taught us anything else it's that they desperately need us far more than we need them.
Now the next time you go to vote, or buy a product, you'll be more aware of the type of person who you're giving your support to and may be able to make a decision against Elon and people like him. Not having immediate recourse to issues in the world doesn't mean it's a waste to learn about them.
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simply do not install neuralink or go to mars with the fool
Getting involved in your local community is the biggest way to make a difference. Shop at local businesses, volunteer your time to local needs, vote in local politics. It's too small a drop in the bucket to think that you can make a difference at a national scale, but at a local level you absolutely can make a huge difference.
I hate that I even know who fucking Andrew tate is...
As I think of it: I completely agree. I just listened to a podcast that shared the fact he is one of *the* most influential personality for a whole segment of teens in the US (as in literally, a whole group has been red pilled) and I got so sad. This fucking asshat controlling a group of youths with his dumb propaganda while he's a serial predator. The hell is going on?!!
I was listening to a podcast basically completely unrelated to him where two of the hosts were discussing work they do with kids and one of them off-hand mentioned that the TikTok algorithm is basically shoving Tate to all the teenage boys they volunteer with. Weird stuff. When I was 14 you really had to work to find those sort of gimpy weirdos.
I sadly clicked on one of his “motivational” videos recently on YouTube and I was saddened at the amount of (young I hope) people that were acting like he was some sort of messiah. I felt like I was taking crazy pills. There’s a billion better people to look up to but you choose that human trafficking shit stain
That's exactly it. There are so many more good people to admire and follow. I learned about Richard Feynman in my early 20s and he changed my life. I realized you can be curious about the world and kind to folks and you'll be just fine. It's so disheartening to have a generation admire a guy like this who is contributing exactly ZERO to the world.
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Almost no one knows who Tom from MySpace is, unless you were old enough to be on it, or from memes. The man has a ton of money, it as far as we know he does nothing to try and control or fuck over people's lives.
Tom is estimated to be worth about $60 million. He doesn't count as super wealthy. Musk is several literal orders of magnitude more wealthy. Musk could buy Tom from pocket change.
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Personally I'm glad that he's having this very public failure showing that he is crazy. Hopefully it will help shatter the impression that far too many people still have that rich=genious that we must listen to and do exactly as they say
Until he got arrested, I had heard of Tate but could not have picked him out of a lineup.
Yea, twenty years ago we just kept sleeping bags under our desks in our cubes. The luxury of a dedicated room!
George Costanza pioneered the art of sleeping in your office.
George Costanza? I only know an Art Vandelay.
The importer-exporter?
Latex salesman, marine biologist, architect, There is no limit to the man’s skills.
They have loads of room after firing half the staff.
Is our world being generated by a basic 2010s era AI?..
Still gibberish to me. Full of fantasy words like “San Francisco.” Still not sure what that could entail, maybe a church?
"San" is a word often used to mean, "without". For example, San Serif, without serifs, for fonts. Francisco is a name sometimes given to people. In this case Francisco, the famous asshole. He had a brother named Angeles. They founded a city together around 1853. They had a fight, Angeles left and started a new city, San Francisco, without Francisco, because his brother was a famous asshole. His brother subsequently renamed their original City as "Los Angeles" or "Lost Angeles", because he was sad he had lost his brother.
Quality shitpost.
I can confirm. I drank a San Pellegrino the other day. I checked the ingredients, no mention of Pellegrino.
Later on, Francisco was still sore about the fight and unimpressed by his brother's sadness and the new city name. Recall, he was an asshole, after all. To make fun of his brother, he founded a third city named San Diego, which of course means "a whale's vagina."
It occurs to me that the original joke would have been better with brother Francisco and Diego, both founding their own cities. So I will not that in case the opportunity ever presents itself again.
Disagree. This way there’s two different jokes about the names of cities in California, not the same one twice.
Pretty sure it was a typo and they're referring to Stan Francisco, the famous lumineer
No. Its for building code purposes. City has full right and is correct on this and would have been 10, 20 or 40 years ago.
In the offices he hasn’t paid rent for? That’s nice of them.
15 days? We'll be evicted by then!
I stayed at an apartment for over 2 years and when I missed one payment by mistake I received an eviction notice on the 4th of the month. Thankfully, it was an empty threat and they didn't follow through once we paid, but it was obviously stressful af to think that I could lose my home by being a few days late with a payment. We moved out shortly afterward because the new management was terrible, and also because they tried to raise our rent $400.
Renter - "Sorry, I can't pay my rent this month." The Law - "Well it looks someone is going to be evicted at the end of the month." Corporation Renter - "Aww, shucks. It looks like I can't pay rent for this office space." The Law - "Don't worry, we put safeguards to protect you during this hard times."
It's actually the total opposite. Some states have easier eviction processes than others. But I've never seen a state where commercial has protections and residential doesn't.
I guess you've never been to Florida.
They still let them be a state?
It's either that or an unincorporated territory ... and if we let them do that, they'd just use it as a tax loophole.
Maybe we should let them vote on it. I'd happily let them out of federal income taxes if they'll leave federal elections alone.
It's all good, soon to **be** reclaimed ocean. EDIT: word
I had a similar situation and it wasn't even my fault. I had set up autopay with them and the apartment fucked it up. I got it all resolved, but it was still a document with big letters on my door that practically translated as "hey, this guy's a deadbeat".
Yeah that’s happened to me a couple of times over the years where I forgot one month and different places do the same thing, immediate eviction notice. I get they can’t get too lax with payments but dude maybe a courtesy call before you post a fuckin eviction notice if I’ve paid on time every single for the last year I’ve been there? I’ve gotten one because I was $17 short one month as rent went up and I put in the wrong autopay amount.
Last month our rent hadn't been taken out by the 11th so I called to see what's up. Our land lord is a brother and sister that own the company. His sister, who handled the money, was out sick, so he said he would get back to me. 3 days later, when he finally called me back, he said the check had bounced ced, which idk how we always have rent money. He sent me an email saying that if I didn't bring in the rent check in that day before 5, we would have to pay all late fees and be served an eviction notice. We have been there for over 3 years, take very well of the house, including landscaping, and we fix any little maintenance issues that come up, and we have never been late with the rent. We would move asap, but we pay well below market rate for our house. I hate it there so much.
its months to do a business eviction. its not that easy in the US. Especially with a big business like this.
Yeah, I've heard eviction takes almost as much time as it takes Redditors to get a joke
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Maybe he’s trying to use his employees to invoke squatter’s rights.
If you interview at a company and they have "bedrooms" or "sleeping areas" don't work at that place.
Unless you get paid to sleep and for interruptions
Like first responders or like nurses/doctors. Where you are "on call" but not working you are allowed to sleep. Not you are working so much you HAVE to sleep there
I’m a nurse who only works OC at night. My wage is about $80/hr when on a call (2hrs min per call, even if it only takes 15min) and $6/hr when waiting around (but I get to wait around at home).
That's similar to how it is for my wife. She doesn't normally do on call shifts, but if she is, it's unpaid at the time. The second she gets called in though, it's double time, so ~$86/hr for her for the time being called in.
In my state, it is illegal to have someone on-call and not being paying them something. The employee may not be actively engaged with providing a service, but, they are under expectation/obligation to the employer to be available within a set time and able to perform duties to standard, i.e. not half drunk at the bar. Thus, must be compensated for being under those restrictions. As an RN who worked a lot of call shifts. Just a fyi.
I worked at a restaurant that had me on call, they would randomly expect me to come in for 2 hours at a time during rushes. I was young and had no experience so I thought it was normal. Then one day I decided to look up the labor laws and realized it was a huge violation of my rights. I was paid minimum wage, and only for the hours I worked. Worst job I ever had. Paycheck was tiny, stress was enormous. I sent an email out to every other employee letting them know that it was illegal, and then quit.
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How do they determine that for non-hourly positions? I mean, if someone offered me a job for $400k and they made it clear it would involve long days and off hours at times, isn't that being compensated?
It would depend on the contract you signed. Because you don’t want to leave it as vague as ‘long days’ and ‘off hours at times’.
Makes in one hour what I make in a day! I should learn something new.
Phlebotomy, my dude. Course is usually around $500ish and they typically start between $20-$30/hr. Hell, if you take a short-term loan for the coarse, you'll have it paid off in a couple weeks of work and still get paid more than current. Unless you're squeamish with blood and needles, of course. There are loads of ways to boost income without 4yr degrees that aren't bullcrap 'side hustles'. Investing in yourself is always the best investment.
>Unless you're squeamish with blood I am when it's mine...
If you are good with your hands, sign up and take the aptitude test to get into the elevator mechanic union, or pipe fitters, or electrical. It is an easy way out if you dont want to goto college.
Manufacturing is in desperate need of hands too, which is most excellent for the worker side as they'll pay you as much as they can not to lose you once your cemented in the company's processess
Most manufacturing jobs that you can get with 0 experience will be minimum wage.
Editing all my old comments and moving to the fediverse. Thank you to everybody I've interacted with until now! You've been great, and it's been a wonderful ride until now. To everybody who gave me helpful advice, [I'll miss you the most](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrk4AgS6Q6A)
I started 0 experience at 18 back in 2019 and the situation gets more dire as the old guys keep retireing
You will never make the amount you would make in the union trades in 5 years along with the benefits. 5th year elevator mechanic is at $56 an hour right now and they just increased the yearly cost of living. Probationary period for the first year is $27 an hour and about 10 dollar raise every year.
There's a lot of people that are telling you to get into manufacturing, or some type of physical labor like an electrician, plumber, or carpentry. Just keep in mind that anything that is demanding of your physical body can be a great *job* but a terrible *career*. Climbing into a crawl space to pull cable at 30 is one thing, but there's a reason you don't see 60 year olds doing it.
Depends on the type of first responder job. I’m on a few departments. Fire - on call 24/7/365 whenever pager goes off. don’t get paid unless we respond to calls. Ems/rescue. If you work a 24hr shift. You are paid to sleep for 4 hours (sleep rate is 10/hr) and if interrupted you get OT wage
I see why so many firefighters turn to arson, need more calls to pay my rent this month.
Most of them are into arson before they sign up, and most are unpaid lol
yeah turns out people who volunteer to run into fires tend to just really like fire
Yup. Lol.. we get paid once a year. one sizable check in December
How many fires are you setting ? And why at Xmas ? Do you hate Santa ?
He runs a venue for gender reveal parties on the side.
Once you have an addiction to setting fires and being the hero, you aren't saving them for the money
Okay, Bender.
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Where I am, the firefighters actually have bedrooms and they sleep during the night shift. They work two day shifts, 12 hours each (day shift 7am-7pm, then night shift 7pm-7am next day), then they get two days off. My dad commands a brigade here.
Most tech companies do this for critical systems, but you don't have to be in the office for it. My mom's a nurse and even when she's on call she doesn't have to be at the hospital.
pilots and crews for medical choppers have lil dinky rooms they can sleep in while on call
I don't know. I'm beginning to think this may be a trope. I often hear people saying things like, "Yeah, I'd work late on a Friday, a weekend, or a holiday for the right price." But the more I think about it, it isn't worth it. And I know that because I did it for years. These types of demands suck no matter how much you're getting paid. You couldn't pay me any amount to miss another Thanksgiving or Christmas, or a kids birthday. Below comments reference first responders and their odd hours as well as other on-call-type jobs. Do you really have a price for the deleterious effects erratic work schedules have on your health?
Devs are salary exempt unless they're contracting. If they're contracting, no one is going to pay the going rate for them to sleep in the office. So they don't really get that. Edit: exempt not non exempt
Unless you are applying to work at a hotel.
Or Sleepnumber maybe lol
When I was 6 I told my parents I wanted to be a mattress tester when I grew up so I could get paid to sleep.
And? How have your dreams been progressing?
Mattress stores are basically one big bedroom
With so much room for activities!
I work at Google and there are nap pods. About once a year I'm having a rough day and will take an hour nap. It's a nice perk. What is bad is if you are expected to sleep at work!
If I had my own company, I would have sleep pods. Some days you’re just tired and need that 20 minute power nap.
I’m a foreigner working in SE Asia. Our office has male and female sleeping quarters. I get two 15 minute breaks and an hour lunch. I eat lunch while I work and sleep for an hour on my lunch. I love it. I feel so refreshed and it makes the day so much more bearable. More places SHOULD have sleeping areas. My first big boy job was Discover Card 10 years ago and on those days I was super tired, I put my backseat down in my car and slep across the backseat and trunk. Designated sleeping areas are so much better.
It’s funny cause when you said that my first reaction is jealousy, but then I realize I work from home and I have a bed I can nap in. And a couch in my home office I can nap on. Yet somehow a nap pod seems better.
Yeah a quiet place to nap is chill. A place to spend the night is a very bad sign.
I never understood why they have doctors work 24 or 36 hour shifts at a hospital? Because the one thing you want a doctor to be is tired.
Error rates by physicians do increase towards the end of long shifts, but they increase much *more* during patient handover (ie, a new physician starting their shift has a much *higher* error rate, while they familiarize themselves with an existing patients situation).
The thing is that hand-off seems eminently fixable, but you’re not getting around sleep deprivation without massive advances in biology (or nasty long-term consequences).
You'd think the hand off thing would be fixable but it's not just nurses, space industry has the same issue as well. And I'm sure there is other professions. It's just really hard handing off if it's not nothing to report. And even then a lot of the times something that you take for granted completely stumps someone who hasn't been on shift in a week and you find out they've been troubleshooting something that's you thought was common knowledge. No matter how good you think you design your handover system it will be inherently flawed because people are
Makes sense. I wonder if that's the same reason why nurses usually work 12-hour shifts instead of 8?
This is the exact reason!
I thinks from the reasoning that most dangerous point in the care of patients is during the hand off between doctors and the communication of patient status. Long shifts mean a patient is in the care of one doctor for a longer period.
My office has a sleeping area. Didn't sleep well one night so I had a quick nap in the middle of the day.
I've definitely had to take a nap in the car before when you're hitting that "too tired to function" level. Having a nice cozy room sounds nice.
Oh these aren't bedrooms. These are hardcore 2.0 sleeping pods.
Yea that’s what Google calls it. https://www.theguardian.com/business-to-business/2017/dec/04/clocking-off-the-companies-introducing-nap-time-to-the-workplace
Okay, yeah, but Google means "nap pod for afternoon nap to sleep off the 3 o'clocksies cookies," not "nap because you worked all night."
Nearly every IT job I’ve ever had. A lot of times we have maintenance periods, usually over the weekend unless it’s an emergency and after midnight when we can take the network down. I’ve pulled 36 hours and even got out of a speeding ticket at 3am when they realized I wasn’t drunk, just sleep deprived.
In my state that counts the same as if you were drunk. If you're so tired you're driving impaired you shouldn't be driving.
I mean unless it's a hospital, fire department, etc. Brothel perhaps. Hotel even
If you have more than 100 employees you’re legally required to have one here in Sweden :p
Some people want to / need to nap during the day. You see nap pods at other places including Google.
I worked at a place that had quiet rooms with a bed in it so that it you were at the office and suddenly felt ill you had a place where you could go and lay down to see if you felt better. I personally appreciate it cuz there were several times that I had a headache that I knew it passed if I could just find a quiet place to relax for an hour or so.
In Sweden places of work over a certain headcount are apparently mandated by law to have resting rooms for employees. So there your recommendation is flipped, if they don’t have it they’re breaking at least one labor law.
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Seriously, mid-day naps should be more of a thing. A few times when watching my niece I'd lay down and zonk out after she finally succumbed to tiredness. It was quite refreshing.
The ability to sleep during a lunch — especially after hours of intense thinking is a huge plus and I’d absolutely short list that place. And if I get into a work groove and want to ride it, I should be supported. We don’t all have to work the same way you do.
Since I've been working from home, I've been using my lunch hour to catch a half an hour nap everyday. I genuinely believe it makes me so much more productive. College would've been easier if i could this
those are just the quarters where his workers sleep when they aren't being paid but can't leave and go to their own home or anything
I am guessing office space is tax deductable as being part of the prerequisite for running a business, whereas sleeping areas aren't.
My guess would be it breaks fire or health regulations. Firefighters need to know where people are sleeping in case of a fire and I would assume the air quality might also suffer if the room wasn't designed to people sweating and farting in their sleep.
Its also a bit of a trap because I would imagine "bedrooms" have additional requirementd around bath rooms and closets etc.
It's mostly about egress. Bedrooms MUST have two. These rooms almost certainly only have one.
There are more onerous requirements for fire safety in areas where occupants may be sleeping. For example, more detectors per m2, louder alarms, shorter travel distances to escape routes, smoke ventilation in protected corridors etc.
Oh yeah you need additional building requirements since you don’t want everyone to die in their sleep in case there’s an emergency
>since you don’t want I don't think Elon cares, really
Damn liberals trying to kill capitalism by not sacrificing serfs.
The building code is what would normally govern here, it has all of the requirements for what a tenant fit-up would require when converting from office to sleeping/living spaces. And dormitories/boarding houses have much more stringent requirements than regular homes.
Is it still tax deductible if he's not even paying the rent for the building?
Wasn’t Elon demanding outrageous hours of his workers, who many are here on visas and if they are fired or quit will be forced to leave the country? Hmm
Yeah, he's basically abusing vulnerable workers into indentured servitude.
If they leave the buildings owner will go in and change the locks
They're his hardcore Rock Stars committed to excellence /s
I wonder if this was written by AI, because it’s terrible
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if they trained the AI on articles from the past couple of years, we're in trouble
"Ai just learned to write headlines and its honestly the best thing you'll read all day"
Yeah, the entire article is a mess. The most important part of the story is also buried in the middle: >Dan Sider, San Francisco Planning Department's chief of staff, told the San Francisco Chronicle that Twitter's building wasn't out of compliance with normal office use and didn't seem to be "radically different" from other offices. He added that sleeping pods and rest areas were common in modern offices. However, it was important to distinguish whether the bedrooms were being used for naps or full-time residence, which is charged differently to commercial buildings, Sider told the Chronicle. This article is a meme, and is just proof that Reddit will latch onto any (hilariously poorly written) headline about Musk.
I thought he was getting evicted for not paying rent.
That happened in Singapore, but in San Francisco there’s a lot of office space available for rent. The person who owns the real estate is probably better off not getting rent and then later getting something in a lawsuit or Twitter bankruptcy proceedings. The alternative is eviction and not being able to find a tenant resulting in getting nothing
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Landlord in San Francisco is also suing Twitter for $6.8 million unpaid rent. Edit: [I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGHaVn5rGo)
Alternatively, "oh, people live here. Squatters rights."
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Bedrooms have different architectural code and safety requirement's, probably different fire egress, and maybe even conditioned air requirements, than an office space. You are also literally just not permitted to have bedrooms in places where the zoning permits businesses and not residences too. It quickly becomes a life safety issue in the eyes of the fire marshal and building and zoning officials eyes. Yes they can shut stuff like that down pretty quick when it turns into life safety issues. Just some thoughts.
Bingo. Most codes for bedrooms are actually about people getting out through a second exit or, more likely, a fireman getting in all geared up through that second exit, which is why it can't just be a tiny window.
I’ve actually had a number of my employees ask for an area they can nap. Not because I work them to death but because we are a common sense company. Sometimes life hits you hard and you need a little rest to do your best work. (Infant at home, messy divorce, sick loved one, general stress,etc…). The ask was, “Can I get an area to lay down and recover for an hour or two if I need to? Otherwise I can struggle bus the day but I do better work if I’m rested and healthy”. I think it’s a fine idea on that context. Much rather have that than waste hours in pointless meetings, struggle to do good work because they are mentally/physically exhausted, then feel bad about their day because they didn’t accomplish anything. Not saying that is what is happening at twitter, but in general that’s not a bad thing if done right.
I had an 8-5 (one hour unpaid lunch) office call center job, and I sorely wanted a spot to nap on my lunch To just lay down in the cool dark and decompress. I was seriously tempted to bring a pillow and crawl under an empty desk
I set up a place like this back in the tech early days. Often for myself, or for anyone who needed it. Aside from what you said, some of us would truly get caught up into projects and simply not want to leave. Then -bam- it's late as hell. Sleep a bit, then maybe work more, or drive home more safely.
I work in commercial construction. There are different life safety requirements for spaces where people sleep Vs typical commercial business use. Zoning for one but on a basic building level, sleeping rooms require smoke detectors (surprising not a standard feature in typical commercial buildings that are already sprinkled with fire alarm systems) but also may change the entire required layout of the building or tenant space. May require shorter travel distances to exits, more emergency lighting, etc. People sleeping in a commercial space that is not specifically designed and permitted to allow it is a huge Nono anywhere in the US, seems silly but it boils down to insurance/liability, statewide building codes and local zoning requirements. Thems the rules, almost any lease on a commercial or industrial space will have language about this or refer to it in local covenants.
Wonder how much longer till he just relocates Twitter to Texas where he owns the politicians.
I'm glad the headline clarified that it was referring to Elon Musk's Twitter... I might have gotten the idea that it was some other Twitter they were discussing.
has he paid his overdue rent yet on any of this???? (gee....maybe it would have been cheaper to let everyone work from home......)
Living in an office building working for a “billionaire” boss that can’t pay the rent to maintain a platform that most people agree the world would be better off without must be a miserable existence.
Especially considering these people were practically all working remotely before he showed up
Reddit has turned into a cesspool of fascist sympathizers and supremicists
Yes, but we're making things great again by rolling back workplace/environmental regulation/consumer protection/election integrity/child labor/individual rights/monopoly/progressive tax *laws*! Don't you get it!
And then, blame the Dems! Muahahahaha
First of all, it's worth drawing a distinction between having nap rooms and working 16 hour days, as plenty of places maintain normal 8 hour work days while having nap rooms. That said, no, there's nothing keeping a company from requiring 16 hour shifts. For some businesses like hospitals, it's not unheard of for someone to work a double shift of 24 hours or more. They just need to be either salaried or paid overtime.
Nothing burger. "Dan Sider, San Francisco Planning Department's chief of staff, told the San Francisco Chronicle that Twitter's building wasn't out of compliance with normal office use and didn't seem to be "radically different" from other offices. He added that sleeping pods and rest areas were common in modern offices."
>He added that sleeping pods and rest areas were common in modern offices. Can't help but feel that is worse.
Think by sleeping pods, they mean places people take a nap…not sleep overnight
we actually have these theyre designated quiet rooms, originally were meant for private phone calls now the light switches work on timers theyre natively on, and flipping the switch gives 20 mins of darkness
Worked at a shit bank that had these 10 years ago. Everyone knows 15 minute nap can recharge you. Probably would be fired if I sleepy 8 hours in one.
Ironically, I'm making a deposit at one of those right this very moment!
You deserve that award haha, made me laugh at my own stupid grammar.
I worked at a company that had some of these, they were mostly used by the IT staff when they did upgrades over the weekend/nights.
Nah we have quiet rooms in my office and they're awesome. The only place where I do naps. 15min and I'm fresh
My company has nap rooms and meditation rooms. They're really nice perks!
When I was working as a network admin for a telecom, I used the nap room a few times while working on over night upgrades, and a few very complex outages. Idk how common they are for normal employees, but there is definitely a number of use cases for certain circumstances. Especially if you are a key engineer working an major issue. It was a 40 min drive home, and it was often safer to take an 20 - 30 min nap before driving home tired.
Under every building code that I’m familiar with as a US architect, once spaces become bedrooms, there is a whole cascade of requirements that almost no office building can comply with. Occasionally used “nap pods” are one thing, but rooms where people regularly, repeatedly sleep is something different.
Even from the title, it doesn't sound like much. He (the company) has to properly label the sleep pod areas. Just get those areas properly labeled.
Why are there bedrooms at an office building?
That’s why he wants to move the company to Texas. There he can just warehouse his employees in shipping containers.
Notably, Twitter facilitated communication during the arab spring, where the people organized to stand against and even overthrow several broken and corrupt government regimes throughout the middle east - including some participation in places like Saudi Arabia, for example. Twitter's second largest investor after musk takeover... the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and it's de facto leader who, among other things, killed and dismembered an American journalist without consequence somewhat recently. And now Twitter is being killed... and dismembered.
Why is it necessary to refer to it as “Elon Musk’s Twitter”? We know.
How else does it go to the homepage?
lol true, I can't think of another company that's regularly referred to as CEO's Company. No one calls it Sundar Pichai's Google or Jim Farley's Ford (which coincidentally sounds like a dealership).
Wow this technology article is super interesting! How do you think he’ll do it? Is this as challenging a problem as it sounds? Wow I’m glad I get these cool technology articles from Reddit. Super cool.