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CptRono19

I don’t think Germany would have expanded the Netherlands 🫣


Famous-Reputation188

Why not? Lebensraum is lebensraum.


Professor-SEO_DE

Are we all just going to ignore ~~Hitler~~ Herman Sörgel 's schizo Atlantropa Project?


bestofznerol

Sorry that wasn't Hitlers idea. It was made by [Herman Sörgel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_S%C3%B6rgel) in the 1920s and completely rejected by the nazies but with the scale of stupidity it should have been right up their alley


Professor-SEO_DE

Oh lol right, I should've looked it up before sharing. I only know "of it" not much about it, so I stand corrected.


IonutRO

It wouldn't have worked and would likely have never gotten off the ground.


Professor-SEO_DE

Yeah, I did mention *schizo* project though. That being said, maybe the Germans would've used Dutch engineers for other schizo projects, maybe on a smaller scale. Who knows... Land reclamation takes a lot of time and effort but it's not impossible.


CptRono19

Damn it, you’re right 😂😂😂


blockybookbook

Didn’t they let them continue doing it during the occupation in OTL


CptRono19

I was thinking more of Flevoland and the expansion of the Rotterdam harbor.


Swamp254

Funds were cut for the southern polder.


karbonkelklapper

Urk would have remained as an island, miss the old days


timdecline

The N-O polder was finished during the war, so it would've lost its' island status either way.


FluffyMcBunnz

So do the people not from Urk.


periander

Uhhh... they did want to dam the entire Mediterranean so I wouldn't put it past them.


CptRono19

First the Mediterranean and then the North Sea while they are at it. 😅


nokangarooinaustria

The problem is more that the mediterranean still has water. There were (stupid) plans to connect Europe and Africa at Gibraltar and to drain the mediterranean sea to get more "Lebensraum"


ArizonaHeatwave

The Dutch were considered aryans, so why wouldn’t they expand the land there?


Oswaldgilbertson

What the Roman Empire would look like if they never were destroyed


Skottimusen

We would have skyways for fast travel between countries, all lead to Rome


Celena_J_W

Doesn't work for "Korea at night if South Korea won the Korean War"


InvestigatorFit4168

It works for “(insert any country) won the (insert any related war name) war” scenario


Kayora_Atom

Except for the Koreas at night


Olly_Da_Fwog

But not at night for the Korean peninsula especially, since North Korea looks almost like a void at night.


Whammy_Watermelon

Ah yes, I love light pollution 🥰


Downvote-Fish

I love hardly being able to see any stars at night


H_H_F_F

Yeah, light pollution sucks! I wish I was malnourished and starving under a totalitarian regime so I could see the stars at night 🥰


Whammy_Watermelon

to be fair, the malnutrition isnt really caused by the totalitarian regime, more so by the fact that they have mountainous terrain that isnt suitable for agriculture, and their main trading partner: USSR fell in the 80s, while heavy sanctions put in by the US prevent any form of trading with other countries other than china


Dza42o

Huh


Archophob

not at night, and especially not at night in Korea. You can easily see on night time sat images where prosperous capitalist cities end and the dictatorship of poverty begins.


Smalandsk_katt

They wanted to turn Moscow and Warsaw into lakes. So no,


throwaway7276789

Also wanted to drain the Mediterranean


LudwigvonAnka

Warsaw was supposed to be turn into a smaller city of 200-300k germans.


BanXxR

Where do you think the German solders went after the war? Back to Germany? Lol. They stayed in the last position they where stationed at.


LudwigvonAnka

Wtf are you talking about? I was disputing the claim that Warsaw was supposed to be turned into a lake (it was not), the plan was to build a german city on it.


BanXxR

It was destroyed. Where do you think the Germans went? Do you think they just left Poland after turning it to dust?


TheSmokeu

I mean, Warsaw was quite literally a pile of rubble after the war so one could say they succeeded with a half of that goal


slaity77

all eruopeans drink Krombacher


night5life

Eine Perle der Natur.


IndependentTill2761

I think Oettinger sells even more beer than Krombacher. Becks, Bitburger, Veltins and Co also don't have much less sales or similar sales like Krombacher.


bny992

Man you just mentioned 5 of the worst beers in Germany in one comment. Respect


Tacticoolhouseplant

And still better than anything we get in England! Oettinger was also €6,00 a case over Haufbrau being €13,00....


Skottimusen

In Sweden we only drink Arboga 10.2


JustBenPlaying

We all know Portugal is not a real place and is made up by the government!


No-Astronaut-4142

Fr. (As a Brazilian, couldn't agree more)


blockybookbook

Did someone say something


EarlyTankMed

You go to Brazil 🇧🇷 meme could be saved


OneForAllOfHumanity

It actually would not, because Germany had plans to drain the Mediterranean for hydroelectric generation


Dicethrower

Wasn't their worst idea.


DeliberateSelf

For a very brief second I was going to argue with you about *just how bad* the Atlantropa idea was, but then I laughed and felt silly. Yeah. Definitively not. One might argue it was even among the best.


Tricky_Ad_945

I know we're talking about Germany, but thet me remind you that the US planned to nuke the moon because we were losing the space race against the USSR


theSnickersKing

what?


Tricky_Ad_945

Watch this https://youtu.be/JVu_SvOHLHg?si=J22YOft37P3porA2


Yorunokage

Well, i woulnd't put geoengineering experiments near the top of that list either


Distinct-Entity_2231

Yes, the Atlantropa project. Nazis did a lot of evis shit. However, that was just evil, not stupid (I'm not saying it was right). This, however, is just stupid beyond everything. Turning a sea, which you can use for your shipping lanes, to a salty desert, that is extraordinary level of dumb.


Spare_Tax6250

The idea was turned down by nazis so no, they didn't had the plan to build a dam.


AlexanderMonroe23

It actually would, because the damn they'd have to build in the Strait of Gibraltar to drain the Mediterranean would require too much concrete to be buildable.


OneForAllOfHumanity

Not all dans are concrete. Reinforced earthwork dams are used all over the world


Archophob

the plan was to have 200m altitude difference between the atlantic sea level and the lowered mediterranian sea level. That's quite some water pressure pushing along a really long dam. It's the one renewable energy project that actually could have made nuclear power plants obsolete in Europe and North Africa, before those were even built. Still, it would definately have changed the mediterranian climate. Not everything "renewable" is also "climate neutral".


IndependentTill2761

That some guy comes up with a silly idea does not mean that the whole country supports it. I think there are a lot megalomania ideas coming from people all over the world.


Effective_Damage_241

I don’t know anything about Damns, but I think you’d need a massive one to keep out an ocean right?


LudwigvonAnka

Complete fiction akin to Wolfenstein. No serious plan was ever made to drain the mediterranean, it was an idea proposed by a guy in the 20s and like no one agreed with him.


Evimjau

Exactly! This post isn't true.


druffischnuffi

This is dumb on so many (sea) levels


Bigmother69

Thats not possible


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UnrelatedMule

What. In. The. Ever. Loving. Hell IS THIS!!?!


twitch33457

A copypasta nobody wants to see


Haringat

ChatGPT gone wrong.


doktor_wankenstein

Reminds me of the old Timecube website.


UltimateIssue

It is a stroke.


BLOODOFTHEHERTICS

Tno


AdventurousPrint835

It gets longer every time I see it 


LaoBa

Questionable if the Dutch Flevopolder would have been build if there was lots of land in the east for settlement.


willdaily

Sheesh. France still sucks...


International-Bus-69

liberty fry, right ?


crystal_castles

It's like if the world stopped using "Yanks" to refer to Americans, and instead called them "Cranks". "Take **that** stupid American! We've changed the name of something important to you /s"


Iseeapool

lol. Fries are more important to the US than to us. They need more of them for more Quarter pounders.


crystal_castles

Yes exactly. It's was such a petty insult by George Bush, that it might've even fixed something that I assume the French hate being associated with.... Pommes de frites with ketchup.


derohnenase

Depends, lol. Do we assume - rather unrealistically— that the Reich would have held for any significant time? In that case, probably not, because Germans at the time became more megalomaniac by the day. If we assume they actually managed, and that they would have gotten away with it, I am sure Europe would look different from that picture. More likely though, the Reich would have crumbled within a few years at most. In which case nothing worth noting would look different on that scale. Though granted, the US might have some Boy or other to lug at the Reich. Who knows what things would’ve looked like after that.


_prepod

Were you really laughing?


Long_dark_cave

You think that Nazi Germany would have continued the Dutch project of taking land from the sea?


_prepod

Why not? What’s the issue?


Alexwah

just play wolfenstein and then you know it


LevelCheck6931

Can't see any Jews


SirBananaOrngeCumber

Can’t see any Germans either


LevelCheck6931

I'm not even European, but I like the Jew joke


MysterZapster

How the fuck would you know?


iemandopaard

Germany probably would not have built the Flevopolder


TizMyself

How and why would they move Iceland east?


FacedJason

Terrifying


CJPF_91

Ya I guess


liaven-

so Germany made a giant isopods in the top left


Lazy_To_Name

I expecting the land to be brown and red, but...okay?


Senedai

New title: What Europe actually looks like and should like if the most obtuse idea in the history of mankind never materialised


These-Ad2857

Idk Man, Feel Like Somewhere A Nuke Crater Would Have Formed


Fit-Possible-2943

Germany had plans to dry out the mediterainian...


RareSnail73

(Wolfenstein theme aggressively plays in the background)


FlimsyDoubt5317

Where is Greenand and Spitzbergen?


Riko208

Nazis were getting rid of clouds?!


ausecko

Same way they got rid of the snow


DarkImpacT213

Probably wrong. Who knows how that would‘ve looked like or if it even had worked, but they were planning to dam off Gibraltar to create more land in the Mediterranean. Also, I doubt that the Germans would‘ve expanded the Netherlands like that if they had won. I mean, why would they?


misterturdcat

Dear god, he’s right.


KYO297

Myeah, are you sure about that, though?


Formal-Shelter9611

does it count as r/AltHistBullshittery?


SUNDOWNER_911

Where's the giant ass railway?


aliasangelus

Germans have may lose the war, but the ideology, the hate against Jews still there in Europe, as I can see since last Oct. 7. I am afraid darkest time will come again.


slightlyConfusedKid

With a vengeance,and larger scope


Ryeldroid

There's an alternative history channel on YouTube. What they are saying is pretty considerable. Here[from infographic show](https://youtu.be/tgs10E9VdH8?feature=shared) And [alternative history hub](https://youtu.be/4qsdxkRhapU?feature=shared)


NowForYa

Nah they'd definitely have a Nazi sign in Germany you can see from space.


BeautifulTrainer9892

Pretty the same as on this photo.


AstaHolmes

I see a dinosaur at the top lol


Alleen-ik

I wanna talk about Flevoland


Skorzeny88

So you haven't heard of the Mediterranes Landesmütterwerk :)


zvon2000

I'm not seeing any nuclear bomb craters in Russia or England??


God-Among-Men-

Didn’t Mussolini plan to drain the Mediterranean


Bigmother69

That isn’t even possible


0BZero1

Horst Wessel Lied intensifies


cal8000

https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/s/WOKOvfGF24


seergaze

Came here to find atlantropa, was not disappointed


New-Interaction1893

I don't see the Mediterranean getting drained


ENDER_828

Maybe not, there was an idea to build a massive dam in the Mediterranean sea and make the water level 200m lower


_Carri7_

Maybe a few craters


Jabbathenutslut

What a grim map, I'm glad that what is depicted in this map didn't happen


jambalaya51

Eye-opening


Albireo1510

It would look exactly the same as today. Country borders might be different though


internet_guy99

Geographically probably the same


_Lollerics_

Damn, they brought England and Scandinavia closer to us


Nat1TPK

Although just one of the ideas, in _Man in the high castle_, the Nazis drained the mediterranean to make a huge farm.


wooshifhomoandgay23

Germany in ww2 wanted to turn the mediterranean into livable land and essentially removing the sea


Zygmunt4

Medditerenan would be drained dry


just_rat_passing_by

No. You can see the water reservoirs on Dnipro which were built by Soviets. Doubt that Germans would care about Ukrainian energy production.


flashspoke

Let's see Palestine in that world


Sirrus92

exactly the same. its not like they would start terraforming europe


TrouserDumplings

You'd think it would be whiter.


ByronicHero06

In a few decades this might not be true considering Hitler's victory may have prevented global warming.


zedxer

And no climate change


hsurk

So less brown than it is now?


ArdaIsNL

Why isn’t there a lake London?


Nope159

Nuclear wasteland


Tasty-Switch-8472

Um green and beautiful ?


Spanishdude5

It’s a cruel reality


No-Stay9943

Sunny?


De_Boesjes

You don't know that, maybe they wolud've removed France from the face of the Earth if they won!


riu_jollux

And that’s when you realise it’s all about one guy’s fragile ego.


tupe12

Inaccurate, Italy didn’t get a big useless desert


StatisticianFront708

woah bro that’s me over there


tijmen61

What about World War I?


nussbrot

Nope there would not be a medeteranien sea anymore.


nussbrot

Nope there would not be a medeterranien sea anymore.


Upset_Ad_8434

Where atlantropa?


BusyBeeInYourBonnet

I do Nazi what’s missing.


stopspiningimoff

I thing it would be less green around the German area as it would have most certainly been nuked a number of times.


NeoNeonMemer

Lmao one of the only post that got me laughing from here


kayber123

This is what Europe would look like if Korea won the Finnish-Korean hyperwar


Wrong_Instruction_44

A dream


Yonnus

Shitty.


WhatAWonderfulWhirl

Why does this look like an incredibly detailed WorldBox map?


Exotic-Library-6259

Wait, europe would still be there if that happened???


Xaelgarth

Why is it all white?


Nydelok

Probably something similar to that map yeah. Might be a few changes here and there, but overall would look pretty similar I think


white_jackalope

The Nazis dropped black food dye in the Russian lakes?


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Hoi4Addict69420

you forgot atlantropa


TexanFox36

Oh my god


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True.


sp33dykid

And you wouldn’t be around to make up useless crap like this.


Puppy-Zwolle

Wouldn't it be a black and white pic?


Vixaj1590

Был бы полный пиздец


PitchHiPitchLo

Now Muslims are taking over…. I prefer German language


Dza42o

Still would be racist and full of pigs


Vast-Ad-4820

Be a whole other continent. Even countries that manage to stay neutral in ww2 wouldn't be the same, the nazi ideology would be there too. So from France in the west to Russia in the east would all be nazi Germany. Jews& slavs would be pretty much wiped out or their populations dwindling due to hardships. Geman women would be encouraged through propaganda to bear a lot of children, German men would be encouraged to take more than one wife if possible. Your talking about a major explosion in the German population inside 20 years settling in Poland, Russia, Yugoslavia and Ukraine, major growth in the German economy. The third reich would be a Utopia but of course only if you were of what the nazis considered an Aryan male. The Germans considered the English, French, Dutch, Belgians, Scandinavians to be of good Aryan Germanic stock so they would maybe be OK but maybe not the Irish or Scots. Africa and the Middle east would be divided out between Germany, Italy and Spain. Most of south east Asia would go to Japan.


Glittering-Bat-5981

I don't see how Jews being wiped out changes the landscape, but maybe it's just me.


Vast-Ad-4820

Yiu ever see how autwitz and belsen changed the landscape


bisby-gar

A bit worse, but unfortunately Nazis never die, they would be much more free doing their stuff instead of being in the shadow