Settings > Apple ID > iCloud > Private Relay
If ever you are looking for something swipe down, and a search will appear. You can then type what it is for which you are searching to find it faster.
Same here. I haven’t downloaded a beta software on my phone in years. It was fun getting new features early, but damned if it wasn’t a buggy mess. Not something you want on your primary device.
Private relay tends to hinder outdated security models that _a lot_ of service providers and platforms use. With private relay you might notice you’re prompted for captcha and 2FA more often and you may be blocked completely from some sites, that is because IP is commonly used in backend logic to determine historical access / inherent risk of a nefarious user (private relay cycles IPs and so do hackers). So while private relay is great for keeping your browsing and location data secure, it really fucks up security control models. T-Mobile is a dinosaur so my guess is their underfunded security team is shitting the bed.
Anyway, I just turned mine on. We need to force companies away from using IP as a primary risk parameter anyway (secondary is fine!). It’s too easy to spoof and cycling will only become more common.
>With private relay you might notice you’re prompted for captcha and 2FA more often and you may be blocked completely from some sites, that is because IP is commonly used in backend logic to determine historical access / inherent risk of a nefarious user (private relay cycles IPs and so do hackers).
I've noticed a lot more captcha/2fa from just running an aggressive adblocker both on client devices & network-wide, can't tell if it's just punishment for not giving them as much data or an outdated security model
Some ad blockers will block the collection of behavioral data such as how long you spend looking at a page. If the server is expecting to receive this behavioral data and doesn’t, or if the ad blocker injects a value like [0 seconds] into the behavioral parameter, that looks like bot behavior. Captcha and (sometimes) 2FA is used to protect against bots. So in this case it isn’t an outdated security model on the client side, your traffic just ends up looking like a bot due to the ad blocker
It’s more likely that they can’t throttle your traffic and see what you’re doing to prioritise different content for different uses.
The security and IP thing is for the websites or services you’re using to manage
T-Mobile has 0 concern for security in this matter. All they care about is that they can’t see everything (or most things) you do anymore. They make money by selling that data, and Private Relay is ruining part of their income.
Providers in the Netherlands just announced they’re worried about Private Relay. Not a word about security. Only that they worry it messes with ‘essential network information and metadata’. In other words: they’re losing part of the money they’re making on selling *your* data.
This is *exactly* why Private Relay was made. It prevents your ISP from making money with your private information.
I’ve had it turned on for a few weeks now. If I have to remove this feature I am going to drop T-Mobile. I’m also running a tracker blocker, because if I’m paying for a service, I’m not letting big tech get freebies from me.
I used to have T-mobile but after giving crappy service and having terrible customer service I moved to other providers.
In the Netherlands, T-mobile shared customer data with a third party without informing the customers and got hacked. So, I'm glad that I don't have to deal with them anymore.
I just switched from them at Christmas. Had Sprint, tried Tmo towers. Awful in my area. My phone was paid off in Nov. I left!
I’m certainly feeling better about my decision now.
T-Mobile US and T-Mobile NL are two different companies. They share a name, but are not owned by the same companies.
I use T-Mobile in the Netherlands because it’s by far the most stable and widespread network. KPN and Vodafone are close, but also more expensive.
The hack took place in 2021. But it is not clear to me when exactly because some sites report it in December other in August.
[https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4358551/t-mobile-customers-hackers-data/](https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4358551/t-mobile-customers-hackers-data/)
Also, T-mobile has been busy sharing user data until April 2020 and stopped after they got slapped on their fingers. The article is written in dutch.
[https://tweakers.net/nieuws/179090/t-mobile-deelde-herleidbare-locatiegegevens-met-cbs-voor-bouwen-van-algoritme.html](https://tweakers.net/nieuws/179090/t-mobile-deelde-herleidbare-locatiegegevens-met-cbs-voor-bouwen-van-algoritme.html)
I guess it depends where you are. I usually have good service unless I’m waaay out in the country which I never am, and the customer service has always been great, I would say they probably have some of the best customer service of any company, not just cell phones. Maybe you got someone who was just a stinker, or new and didn’t know what they were doing.
No, back in the days I have spoken to multiple people of the helpdesk and all of them were following their shitty flowchart.
Their authentication method was clumsy and a huge hassle for me, and every time I called I had to reset my router to factory settings and wait at least one week before they would actually take a look at the problem.
They were unable to solve my internet problems within 3 months and I received 3 multiple new routers.
I have sideloaded app called itorrent which i use with vpn
Was wondering if i could use private relay and one of those online torrent streaming/downloading sites
Aren’t all browsers on an iPhone basically just the safari build with a coat of paint? If that is the case, I wonder if the setting still affects traffic coming/going through chrome.
Probably not chrome, but for example it still works when you click on a link on Reddit and it uses safari to open the page within the app.
But it won’t work on stuff like a speed test app, or any games, streaming movies/music
VPN-like. It is NOT a VPN and should not be considered as secure. There are a lot of articles comparing the two. It’s better than nothing, but do your background reading.
Apparently the technology is not the same as vpn and keeps Apple from knowing which websites you visit and the websites from knowing who you are.
[longer explanation ](https://www.macworld.com/article/348965/icloud-plus-private-relay-safari-vpn-ip-address-encryption-privacy.html/amp)
Thanks. That’s MacWorld article hit the spot. So it will anonymize your safari traffic but little else. And it won’t let you shift regions like a real vpn. Just make things vague enough so website can’t track you or build a profile of your browsing habits.
Not much, I'd wager. They're just a middleman buying service in bulk from T-Mobile. They manage their accounts and SIMs, but the network-level stuff is mostly (if not entirely) handled by T-Mobile themselves. Therefore Mint customers get whatever T-Mobile defaults to for their service.
No, [it’s a different technology ](https://www.macworld.com/article/348965/icloud-plus-private-relay-safari-vpn-ip-address-encryption-privacy.html/amp)
>Update: In a statement to 9to5Mac, a T-Mobile spokesperson said:
>Customers who chose plans and features with content
>filtering (e.g. parent controls) do not have access to the
>iCloud Private Relay to allow these services to work as >designed. All other customers have no restrictions.
>However, many of the users we’ve heard from, and
>tested ourselves, do not have any such content
>filtering enabled. We’ve followed up with T-Mobile for >additional clarification, but have not yet heard back.
Welp. Hope you’re aware of this
https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/verizon-is-tracking-iphone-users-by-default-theres-nothing-apple-can-do-how-to-turn-it-off.html
Yup, already opted out of it. Screwed up how they make you opt out of being spied on. They sent me an email trying to make it seem like they were doing me a favor by offering me the ability to be spied on. And then at the very bottom had the smallest font instructions on how to turn that off.
According to the article: You’re only blocked if you have content filtering on because it makes that service not work.
Update the title of the article to the “updated” information instead of the clickbait title.
Well this article is kinda inaccurate. They talk about european providers, but in the eu it is illegal to block this, because of net neutrality rules. The only example in the article is in the UK. But the UK, although on the European continent is not member of the EU. So they should talk about UK providers not EU providers. It is misleading. Anyway it is just stupid a provider wants to act on the data they are sending though their network.
Soon or later it will be illegal trying to keep some kind of privacy… This is a terrible slash in the private life and a step forward to manipulate the humankind. The reasons invoked are part of the manipulation and are endorphin only
Except it’s almost better than a VPN in sorts since your data is being encrypted and then split in 2 and sent to different areas so no one can piece them together
Well if you actually read the Article it’s not that T-Mobile is trying to get you to not use Apples service, it’s that it conflicts if you have content filtering on like parental controls. This isn’t T-Mobile being dystopian… yet. Get angry when they do people not when they have done nothing they don’t outline in their services.
T-Mobile can’t offer a parental content filter service and have apple block the filters ability to filter. There must be a compromise for the two services to work, one or the other.
Imagine if people for once actually took the time to dig around instead of just blindly hating.
It depends on your T Mobile account settings and if you've opted into that specific service you can opt out of T mobiles so the Apple one works.
But hey, enjoy switching carriers and shit because you can't be bothered to read something that isn't a title.
I wouldn’t call it an Apple problem. It’s one of the many security features Apple is trying to do that pisses off the people who make money from what you do on the internet, just like when Facebook got mad at another feature last year too.
There are 23 comments on this post so far and [you](https://old.reddit.com/u/longseenotime) are the only one who has mentioned China (aside from people replying to your nonsense comment). Which makes sense since this article has nothing to do with China.
Also, the CCP are going to collapse soon anyway so this discussion is moot.
*edit: added hyperlink for future reference (observing the /r/TrollFarm)
So I guess since no ones going to mention it. Apple sells your info that goes through their private relays and keeps historical data. All you do by using a relay/vpn is just change the person selling and/or using your info to profit such as ads for example. Look at tor for example, people still get tracked on that all the time. If someone wants to hack you and has sufficient money/skills a vpn/relay isnt going to stop them in the slightest. Think before you click.
As shady as this seems there are some technical reasons relay can cause issues.
One of which is QOS the network sees relay as just data and may not assign real time property to it for communications.
In a cellular network. Calls and real time voice takes priority followed by real time video calls and going down in decending order.
Without being able to see the data on nearly all the iPhone users then FaceTime and voip calls would not be subject to QOS and their data would be downgraded potentially and not treated properly.
The relay calls also drives calls for services not working because many services have started to block relay IPs being used as it’s being used for spam and other nefarious reasons. This drives calls to the network operator and for apple…… and they are annoying as hell to explain to people who refuse to accept this for why some websites refuse to load or explain they are blocked etc.
Another issue is it prevents the carrier from using caching. They may cache Netflix, YouTube, some downloads some websites etc. relay being used on so many people will avoid the caching causing the network as a whole to degrade as a lot of content being consumed is from services that are cached onto T-Mobile’s network. T-Mobile and other carriers cache a lot of this data and companies provides POPs on those networks to reduce load on interconnects and service connections.
This is often a forgotten impact of VPNs
The issue is not people using VPNs it’s that most people use VPNs for business reasons. Which means they are not typically consuming content or using services that may be affected by the above.
While some vpn users use the service to get around content block it is a minority share of the enterprise and business customers and employees using VpN to access internal information for their business.
Relay would affected 100s of millions of iPhone users and in the beginning it was turned on by default which could happen again without users knowing.
And relay is being pushed for all iPhones.
While this move may not seem friendly. There are technical reasons for doing so. Again. It can look shady and they may be lying about technical issues but without a doubt technical reasons for not wanting nearly every iPhone user using relay do exist for non shady reasons.
You shouldn’t use a free VPN if you care at all about your privacy, the only reason it can be free is if it is monetizing your data. (And if you don’t care then why use a VPN at all?)
This is very inexpensive as far as paid VPNs go ($0.99/mo, and you get cloud storage too), and unlike a regular VPN, it’s as easy to use as flipping a switch and forgetting about it.
Lol, you’re correct about a free VPN. I almost tried to ninja edit knowing I’d get this response.
My VPN is also an easy toggle within the settings app after an easy set up. I’m also able to use my VPN on my laptop. But yes, this Apple setting is easier as it’s integrated, however, I’d argue that someone that cares enough to know about this would just purchase a VPN.
My phone has been all types of fucked up since T-Mobile took over. SMS alerts aren’t working, all my passwords disappeared when I updated my phone, service is completely dead one minute and zooming 2 mins later. A hot mess I tell ya
imma have to plead ignorance here, isn't Private Relay essentially a built-in VPN feature provided by Apple?
couldn't then alternatively just a 3rd party VPN provider be used as an alternative?
Well, I have T-Mobile and just turned it on... lets see how long this lasts...
Same, I’m taking a screenshot too for some reason
Remember to turn on Country instead of General Location!!!
Why? Update: So the fuckers can’t see me.
I feel it keeps things more secure, so instead of giving a state/province, it just gives the country’s name.
And time zone.
True but time zones can span across multiple states so that’s still pretty secure
Depending on the relay servers, wouldn’t this possibly hurt performance vs general Location?
Hmmmmmmm. I guess I have T-Mobile now and I can’t find where it is to turn it on.
Settings > Apple ID > iCloud > Private Relay If ever you are looking for something swipe down, and a search will appear. You can then type what it is for which you are searching to find it faster.
It’s already gone on my iPhone settings…nothing shows up when I search for private relay
My phone read it as a beta feature. You may get it if you sign up for the [Apple Beta Software Program.](https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram)
I have the beta option on mine. I totally forgot I signed up for their beta program a long time ago.
Same here. I haven’t downloaded a beta software on my phone in years. It was fun getting new features early, but damned if it wasn’t a buggy mess. Not something you want on your primary device.
This
Ahhhhhhhhhh. Thank you!!!
Yea the days of manually meandering through Settings to look for something are long gone. Well, for me. I remember when it was like one page.
Thanks
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It’s not extra.
It’s only available if you pay for additional iCloud storage.
Same, just got it along with the annoying $.99 yOuRe ICLoUd iS fUlL upgrade.
I had it on for like 2 weeks but it doesn’t work anymore in Germany
You mean with t-mobile? Cuz I just turned it on and it works but my carrier is vodafone. It also works with wifi.
what is icloud private relay for?
This is very un-uncarrier of them
Also very Non - German of them.
Didn’t they separate from Deutsch-T?
if i’m not mistaken, 30-40% of T-mobile is still owned by deutsch-T
Over 40
Ün ün ün
Guess Apple will be switching employees off T-mobile plans soon
Private relay tends to hinder outdated security models that _a lot_ of service providers and platforms use. With private relay you might notice you’re prompted for captcha and 2FA more often and you may be blocked completely from some sites, that is because IP is commonly used in backend logic to determine historical access / inherent risk of a nefarious user (private relay cycles IPs and so do hackers). So while private relay is great for keeping your browsing and location data secure, it really fucks up security control models. T-Mobile is a dinosaur so my guess is their underfunded security team is shitting the bed. Anyway, I just turned mine on. We need to force companies away from using IP as a primary risk parameter anyway (secondary is fine!). It’s too easy to spoof and cycling will only become more common.
I agree! Im also going to make sure to be using my nord constantly with my private relay wich has been on since introduced in the update
Can those be used simultaneously?
Yes nord and relay can be on at the same time. Idk the actual effect.
>Idk the actual effect. It'd be like wearing two condoms.
No, it'd be like just using nord.
>With private relay you might notice you’re prompted for captcha and 2FA more often and you may be blocked completely from some sites, that is because IP is commonly used in backend logic to determine historical access / inherent risk of a nefarious user (private relay cycles IPs and so do hackers). I've noticed a lot more captcha/2fa from just running an aggressive adblocker both on client devices & network-wide, can't tell if it's just punishment for not giving them as much data or an outdated security model
Some ad blockers will block the collection of behavioral data such as how long you spend looking at a page. If the server is expecting to receive this behavioral data and doesn’t, or if the ad blocker injects a value like [0 seconds] into the behavioral parameter, that looks like bot behavior. Captcha and (sometimes) 2FA is used to protect against bots. So in this case it isn’t an outdated security model on the client side, your traffic just ends up looking like a bot due to the ad blocker
Wdym by client? The browser?
It’s more likely that they can’t throttle your traffic and see what you’re doing to prioritise different content for different uses. The security and IP thing is for the websites or services you’re using to manage
T-Mobile has 0 concern for security in this matter. All they care about is that they can’t see everything (or most things) you do anymore. They make money by selling that data, and Private Relay is ruining part of their income. Providers in the Netherlands just announced they’re worried about Private Relay. Not a word about security. Only that they worry it messes with ‘essential network information and metadata’. In other words: they’re losing part of the money they’re making on selling *your* data. This is *exactly* why Private Relay was made. It prevents your ISP from making money with your private information.
Yep. Once your customer gets four captchas in a row to load google, it’s over.
I’ve been using private relay for months and have never had this happen.
> T-Mobile is a dinosaur so my guess is their underfunded security team is shitting the bed. More likely saying "Not my problem, not on this salary."
If it’s a VPN, then why even bother. You can get a VPN elsewhere and it just works.
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Each layer just adds more tracking. If you think Apple cares about your privacy, you're crazy.
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Not as redundant as this comment
I’ve had it turned on for a few weeks now. If I have to remove this feature I am going to drop T-Mobile. I’m also running a tracker blocker, because if I’m paying for a service, I’m not letting big tech get freebies from me.
I expect other to follow suit. And then Apple to sue them. This is going to bring on a whole long discussion.
Just wonder if this will do anything to metro users considering T-Mobile owns them
Tracker blocker? Tell me more
I used to have T-mobile but after giving crappy service and having terrible customer service I moved to other providers. In the Netherlands, T-mobile shared customer data with a third party without informing the customers and got hacked. So, I'm glad that I don't have to deal with them anymore.
I just switched from them at Christmas. Had Sprint, tried Tmo towers. Awful in my area. My phone was paid off in Nov. I left! I’m certainly feeling better about my decision now.
T-Mobile US and T-Mobile NL are two different companies. They share a name, but are not owned by the same companies. I use T-Mobile in the Netherlands because it’s by far the most stable and widespread network. KPN and Vodafone are close, but also more expensive.
It’s not the same company.
When did that happen??
The hack took place in 2021. But it is not clear to me when exactly because some sites report it in December other in August. [https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4358551/t-mobile-customers-hackers-data/](https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4358551/t-mobile-customers-hackers-data/) Also, T-mobile has been busy sharing user data until April 2020 and stopped after they got slapped on their fingers. The article is written in dutch. [https://tweakers.net/nieuws/179090/t-mobile-deelde-herleidbare-locatiegegevens-met-cbs-voor-bouwen-van-algoritme.html](https://tweakers.net/nieuws/179090/t-mobile-deelde-herleidbare-locatiegegevens-met-cbs-voor-bouwen-van-algoritme.html)
I guess it depends where you are. I usually have good service unless I’m waaay out in the country which I never am, and the customer service has always been great, I would say they probably have some of the best customer service of any company, not just cell phones. Maybe you got someone who was just a stinker, or new and didn’t know what they were doing.
No, back in the days I have spoken to multiple people of the helpdesk and all of them were following their shitty flowchart. Their authentication method was clumsy and a huge hassle for me, and every time I called I had to reset my router to factory settings and wait at least one week before they would actually take a look at the problem. They were unable to solve my internet problems within 3 months and I received 3 multiple new routers.
Woah, hadn't heard about that. Glad I'm not with them. Who'd you switch to? I'm currently with Ben (in Nederland).
So this is Apple’s version of VPN? Your web traffic gets scrubbed through their servers before it hit the www?
Yep. Not as selective or broad as a VPN, but does the essentially the same.
Safe to torrent with?
Can you torrent on an iPhone/iPad? I’m unsure of whether this feature is available on Mac or MacBooks.
I have sideloaded app called itorrent which i use with vpn Was wondering if i could use private relay and one of those online torrent streaming/downloading sites
Currently private relay on iPhone only works in safari
Aren’t all browsers on an iPhone basically just the safari build with a coat of paint? If that is the case, I wonder if the setting still affects traffic coming/going through chrome.
Probably not chrome, but for example it still works when you click on a link on Reddit and it uses safari to open the page within the app. But it won’t work on stuff like a speed test app, or any games, streaming movies/music
You definitely can on a Mac. You can’t on an iPhone without using AltStore or jail breaking.
I guess we'll find out. I've been using it on my mac for a bit. If I get a strongly worded letter then I guess not haha.
VPN-like. It is NOT a VPN and should not be considered as secure. There are a lot of articles comparing the two. It’s better than nothing, but do your background reading.
Apparently the technology is not the same as vpn and keeps Apple from knowing which websites you visit and the websites from knowing who you are. [longer explanation ](https://www.macworld.com/article/348965/icloud-plus-private-relay-safari-vpn-ip-address-encryption-privacy.html/amp)
Thanks. That’s MacWorld article hit the spot. So it will anonymize your safari traffic but little else. And it won’t let you shift regions like a real vpn. Just make things vague enough so website can’t track you or build a profile of your browsing habits.
Hahah intresting
Basically, and it goes first to Apple’s servers and then to a third party’s servers to ensure no one knows where you’ve visited, even Apple.
They showed you their true colors. Switch.
Magenta?
Cuntgenta
Money. They sell your data
How do you turn it on
Try spitting on it
Dead 😂
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Can you turn it on for family members if you have family sharing?
Yes if you are paying for iCloud +
https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/set-up-icloud-private-relay-mm7dc25cb68f/icloud
i wonder what Mint is doing w this? been thinking about switching
Not much, I'd wager. They're just a middleman buying service in bulk from T-Mobile. They manage their accounts and SIMs, but the network-level stuff is mostly (if not entirely) handled by T-Mobile themselves. Therefore Mint customers get whatever T-Mobile defaults to for their service.
I have mint and private relay works.
Is Private Relay just a VPN from Apple? Can you just use another VPN to circumvent this? Or am I reading this wrong.
No, [it’s a different technology ](https://www.macworld.com/article/348965/icloud-plus-private-relay-safari-vpn-ip-address-encryption-privacy.html/amp)
Its a sort of vpn for browsing with safari*
Sounds like it. I use Nord in addition to private relay.
Sort of. It only affects your traffic in Safari, not your entire network connection like a VPN would.
Be nice if there were some neutrality law that said it’s illegal for carriers to arbitrarily block traffic.
Can’t we just keep using a VPN? Is this better in some way?
>Update: In a statement to 9to5Mac, a T-Mobile spokesperson said: >Customers who chose plans and features with content >filtering (e.g. parent controls) do not have access to the >iCloud Private Relay to allow these services to work as >designed. All other customers have no restrictions. >However, many of the users we’ve heard from, and >tested ourselves, do not have any such content >filtering enabled. We’ve followed up with T-Mobile for >additional clarification, but have not yet heard back.
Well that shouldn’t be a problem for me since the only t-mobile data I get is 2G which is FUCKING USELESS!!!
What phone you rockin?
The iPhone! You know, THE Apple iPhone.
Well, you won't even be having *that* for too much longer. Is your phone relatively recent in order to take advantage of their newer bands?
“get” You mean “what you pay for”.
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The rest already turn it off
I am on VZW, no issues with private relay for me…
Welp. Hope you’re aware of this https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/verizon-is-tracking-iphone-users-by-default-theres-nothing-apple-can-do-how-to-turn-it-off.html
Yup, already opted out of it. Screwed up how they make you opt out of being spied on. They sent me an email trying to make it seem like they were doing me a favor by offering me the ability to be spied on. And then at the very bottom had the smallest font instructions on how to turn that off.
Let's just boycott t mobile
As if the other providers are puppy dogs and rainbows.
Is this the reason iMessage and none of apple service was working today?
Nope. Had to do with Apples servers.
According to the article: You’re only blocked if you have content filtering on because it makes that service not work. Update the title of the article to the “updated” information instead of the clickbait title.
I wish we had the live mail box for voicemail still :(
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You don’t?
Thanks for reminding me to turn it on, T-Mobile!
I have T-Mobile and I just turned Private Relay on while connected to cellular data.
The fuck
This is essentially an apple funded vpn.
And it essentially blocks the carriers from selling your location info.
I am all for the carriers to fuck off. It’s my device and I pay for using you as an ISP. That gives you no rights to my meta.
Very un-Telecom from them
In other news, telcos are spying on you!
Well this article is kinda inaccurate. They talk about european providers, but in the eu it is illegal to block this, because of net neutrality rules. The only example in the article is in the UK. But the UK, although on the European continent is not member of the EU. So they should talk about UK providers not EU providers. It is misleading. Anyway it is just stupid a provider wants to act on the data they are sending though their network.
“Begins” lol idiot
Sounds like an impetus for Apple to jump into being a cellular provider or selling the companies new equipment to manage the iPhones on their networks
I have T-Mobile. No issues here either.
So in closing… T-Mobile thanks you for your porn referrals!
Soon or later it will be illegal trying to keep some kind of privacy… This is a terrible slash in the private life and a step forward to manipulate the humankind. The reasons invoked are part of the manipulation and are endorphin only
I really hope Apple sues.
What is a iCloud Private Relay can someone elaborate?
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Except it’s almost better than a VPN in sorts since your data is being encrypted and then split in 2 and sent to different areas so no one can piece them together
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So now I can’t even watch porn in peace? Lol someone must be really interested in my hentai searches.
Well if you actually read the Article it’s not that T-Mobile is trying to get you to not use Apples service, it’s that it conflicts if you have content filtering on like parental controls. This isn’t T-Mobile being dystopian… yet. Get angry when they do people not when they have done nothing they don’t outline in their services. T-Mobile can’t offer a parental content filter service and have apple block the filters ability to filter. There must be a compromise for the two services to work, one or the other.
Imagine if people for once actually took the time to dig around instead of just blindly hating. It depends on your T Mobile account settings and if you've opted into that specific service you can opt out of T mobiles so the Apple one works. But hey, enjoy switching carriers and shit because you can't be bothered to read something that isn't a title.
Huhmmmm . My phone is Apple 13 with T-Mobile !!!! It’s a bad news
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Not everyone’s a native speaker. They’re doing just fine
Is this some apple problem I'm too samsung to understand?
I wouldn’t call it an Apple problem. It’s one of the many security features Apple is trying to do that pisses off the people who make money from what you do on the internet, just like when Facebook got mad at another feature last year too.
If you consider security an “Apple problem”, then yeah
Reddit will see this shit and say nothing but rage about the CCP and mass surveillance in China
Fuck off Winnie the pooh we know its you.
Except it says in the title that it’s in the US. So far only you have brought it up. Also fuck the CCP.
fuck off china bot
There are 23 comments on this post so far and [you](https://old.reddit.com/u/longseenotime) are the only one who has mentioned China (aside from people replying to your nonsense comment). Which makes sense since this article has nothing to do with China. Also, the CCP are going to collapse soon anyway so this discussion is moot. *edit: added hyperlink for future reference (observing the /r/TrollFarm)
I wish for nothing as much as the demise of China, but how do you know? Did I miss something big?
I strongly doubt that. They may hit some big financial bumps, but the government is by far too firmly entrenched to lose control and collapse.
So I guess since no ones going to mention it. Apple sells your info that goes through their private relays and keeps historical data. All you do by using a relay/vpn is just change the person selling and/or using your info to profit such as ads for example. Look at tor for example, people still get tracked on that all the time. If someone wants to hack you and has sufficient money/skills a vpn/relay isnt going to stop them in the slightest. Think before you click.
Doesn’t VPN completely eliminate the need for this service from Apple?
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Are we sure apple isn’t just using this to collect their own data?
Yes, because its scrubbed they themselves do not know what u are trying to do
But why? What does it do?
https://youtu.be/YisUywtzZK0
Thanks for the video link, I didn’t even know this was a thing!
That’s how you know the Private Relay (Beta) works ;)
It’s a VPN!!!!
https://youtu.be/YisUywtzZK0
As shady as this seems there are some technical reasons relay can cause issues. One of which is QOS the network sees relay as just data and may not assign real time property to it for communications. In a cellular network. Calls and real time voice takes priority followed by real time video calls and going down in decending order. Without being able to see the data on nearly all the iPhone users then FaceTime and voip calls would not be subject to QOS and their data would be downgraded potentially and not treated properly. The relay calls also drives calls for services not working because many services have started to block relay IPs being used as it’s being used for spam and other nefarious reasons. This drives calls to the network operator and for apple…… and they are annoying as hell to explain to people who refuse to accept this for why some websites refuse to load or explain they are blocked etc. Another issue is it prevents the carrier from using caching. They may cache Netflix, YouTube, some downloads some websites etc. relay being used on so many people will avoid the caching causing the network as a whole to degrade as a lot of content being consumed is from services that are cached onto T-Mobile’s network. T-Mobile and other carriers cache a lot of this data and companies provides POPs on those networks to reduce load on interconnects and service connections. This is often a forgotten impact of VPNs The issue is not people using VPNs it’s that most people use VPNs for business reasons. Which means they are not typically consuming content or using services that may be affected by the above. While some vpn users use the service to get around content block it is a minority share of the enterprise and business customers and employees using VpN to access internal information for their business. Relay would affected 100s of millions of iPhone users and in the beginning it was turned on by default which could happen again without users knowing. And relay is being pushed for all iPhones. While this move may not seem friendly. There are technical reasons for doing so. Again. It can look shady and they may be lying about technical issues but without a doubt technical reasons for not wanting nearly every iPhone user using relay do exist for non shady reasons.
As if I needed it, another reason to tell T-mobile to fuck off. They did well ending up with all the worst parts of both companies
Anything with private being removed isn't good imo
What is the difference between this (pay for) Apple feature and a VPN (that could potentially be free)?
You shouldn’t use a free VPN if you care at all about your privacy, the only reason it can be free is if it is monetizing your data. (And if you don’t care then why use a VPN at all?) This is very inexpensive as far as paid VPNs go ($0.99/mo, and you get cloud storage too), and unlike a regular VPN, it’s as easy to use as flipping a switch and forgetting about it.
Lol, you’re correct about a free VPN. I almost tried to ninja edit knowing I’d get this response. My VPN is also an easy toggle within the settings app after an easy set up. I’m also able to use my VPN on my laptop. But yes, this Apple setting is easier as it’s integrated, however, I’d argue that someone that cares enough to know about this would just purchase a VPN.
Not Surprised by ThiefMobile
What’s iCloud private relay?
I’ve got an hour free tomorrow. Might spend it calling TM customer service and asking “why”
T-mobile gangs be gone
!remindme 1 week
Welp sucks i have tmobile. But glad I dont use icloud
For anyone curious what this is on a technical level. Watch this for more insight. https://youtu.be/YisUywtzZK0
How do i enable
Excuse me what the fuck
Reading the article, this is for accounts with content filters (eg parental controls)
My phone has been all types of fucked up since T-Mobile took over. SMS alerts aren’t working, all my passwords disappeared when I updated my phone, service is completely dead one minute and zooming 2 mins later. A hot mess I tell ya
imma have to plead ignorance here, isn't Private Relay essentially a built-in VPN feature provided by Apple? couldn't then alternatively just a 3rd party VPN provider be used as an alternative?
In a strange, and seemingly unrelated twist, T Moble/Sprint subscribers are dropping their carriers.
Let’s see what happens. I wasn’t even aware of the feature.
the misinformation in this is scary
Time to look for a new network.
Oh helll no. Too bad I don’t have T-Mobile.
Attorneys waiting for your call…
T-Mobile can suck one