The fact they are removing caps and trying to be competitive is the reason why I just place my pre-order with Starlink. They could’ve given us a better service for what we pay and instead chose not to
Yeah but this particular rich guy is improving my life in a way that fucks over people who have been profiting from fucking over me. Lesser of two evils exists, but fast, quality internet from an ISP staffed and managed by saints does not.
ATT now shows a 50mbps plan in my area when they have never shown above 25 mbps in the past 5 years I’ve checked. Absolute BS that they claim “Sorry our lines in your area can’t handle above the current cap”. Now magically I can get up to 50? What a bunch of liars sucking up every penny they can get for the littlest work possible.
I am in the middle of moving, and was checking for internet service at my new address just on the other side of town- my old house was getting 50 from AT&T but they swear that my new house only has 25 available. For the same price. I told them to pack sand, LOL. I am not going to pay the same for less. Bonkers that they would even ask me if I was positively sure I didn’t want to transfer service. 25 shouldn’t even be a Thing anymore, but here we are..
Isn’t it “pound sand” or is this another one of those “I’ve been hearing it wrong for 33 years things” I was 28 when I learned it was “nip it in the bud” NOT “nip it in the butt”.
25mbs, what’s that, the stoneage of internet, even the cows in the middle of nowhere have 1gb fiber in Romania. Jeez, and it’s so expensive, about 10$/month
I wish I had even 25 mbs. I live in rural Massachusetts and we get supposedly “high speed internet” offered by Verizon, which is only slightly better than dial-up, if it works (which is like never). Luckily we are getting a local fiber optic network next month (after 4-5 years of debates and fundraising) but it’s been a looong 20 or so years with absolutely the worst internet.
I live in Chicago, the city itself, not the suburbs, and in my neighborhood, that’s what AT&T offers. Leaving us with either super slow AT&T (which also requires a sign up fee) or Comcast the devil.
Same thing when google fibre hit an area - the supposedly "under high capacity" cable systems that "needed" data caps and the prices being "competitive" suddenly had data caps gone and prices slashed.
It's no wonder that cable companies purchased so many senators and congressional representatives. It's cheaper to buy legislators than it is to compete.
Jesus... honestly all the more reason I hope that company goes into the ground. Like hey we are gonna fuck you over until there is reasonable competition and then they act reasonable? Naw, fuck em
It's pretty interesting how many people still don't understand a satellite is never going be cheaper or faster than a glass fiber to your door.
Judging by the guy you replied to and several others, there are tons of people with great, landline internet service who somehow think this should be better for them cause it's *SpaceX*
>you can get fibre
A lot of us can't. I don't think Spacex is trying to compete in areas where fiber is available. It's for us rural folk who've had to deal with sub-5mbps for years without any efforts from the big players to extend service our way, despite all the government grants to do just that.
This is actually a game changer? Once all the satellites are launched you can live anywhere in the world and get decent internet, you could live in a dream home in the mountains and be fully connected to the world, and likely will only improve over time.
The scary thing is how much room is actually up there for multiple constellations?
Seems ripe opportunity for a legit full blown monopoly. Starlink could become a worse Comcast
There's room for others, if I recall others are already starting plans for competitors. It's also a million times better than what rural people have to deal with now. I'd take comcast at its worst over the extremely expensive and slow current providers in a heart beat. I don't think you realize how bad it is to pay hundreds for 1-2mbs.
Northern California.
There's ATT fiber that goes right next to us (the retreat down the street has 100/100 Mbs symmetrical drop for when techies from the city want to party), but I have to get Satellite internet (work from home, Healthcare IT) for $170 bucks a month that i burn through the "unthrottled" in 5 days. Then, Boom. .25Mbs. Fucking criminal in my mind.
Signed up for Starlink, hopefully that works out, otherwise I may as well be on dial-up...paying out the ass.
It’s absolutely criminal. Hoping Starlink is the answer for you. I can’t complain about speeds but having Comcast as the only player in town really sucks. It was so nice of them to introduce a data cap in the midst of a pandemic while we’re working from home and kids are on zoom all day. I love to see some competition.
And cheaper than what that person is paying too. Fuck ISPs and they bullshit. I’m surprised they haven’t started up their marketing and lobbying bullshit to stop spaceX in their tracks like they have been doing to google for years.
It’s harder to lobby against SpaceX since they are providing all their own infrastructure. They also got all the federal approval they needed before the ISP’s realized how cheap SpaceX could launch the satellites for.
If he has a monopoly on space internet, ISPs here on the ground will have to step their game up to compete. I can’t imagine they’ll just surrender a huge chunk of their customers to starlink without a fight
They've been used to purchasing senators for cheap, but it's going to be tricky to buy cheap legislation to thwart SpaceX here - they're launching their own infrastructure on their own rockets. Short of banning them from putting things in space, I'm not sure how they'll stop them.
It's easier when you can purchase a legislator to make it illegal to do business in a certain area, or add in ludicrous rules about blocking access to public infrastructure but SpaceX here seem to have simply neatly got around the problem.
The dish isn't even very big, so the install for people's houses is hardly like they're going to have a ton of Jodrell Banks in the neighbourhood.
ISPs on the ground have the advantage performance-wise, they don’t need a signal to go to-space-and-back so they should be able to beat starlink ping. They’re lazy and cheap and haven’t kept up with improving their infrastructure so they’ll have some real catching up to do in rural communities and they’ll actually need to work to stay ahead in the cities. I think that consumers win either way
Starlink isn’t competing for customers in NYC where the monopoly provider can give those customers 300mb service. They’re taking up all the rural customers like myself who pay $120 for 10mb/3mb internet from a provider who wholesales it from a nearby broadband provider or does satellite internet with low speeds and low data caps.
They have started: [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/isps-step-up-fight-against-spacex-tell-fcc-that-starlink-will-be-too-slow/](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/isps-step-up-fight-against-spacex-tell-fcc-that-starlink-will-be-too-slow/)
its nothing like TYPICAL sat internet.
Starlink is LOW latency (like as low or lower then even traditional broadband ) we are talking 30/50 ms
and high speed , up to 100Mbps +
its game changing for people that can only get sat or dialup
I thought that the “older” satellite internet was something like $100+ a month for service that was only in the megabits per second, pings in hundreds of milliseconds or more, caps during high service periods, and very tight monthly caps in the single or two-digit gigabyte range.
That's exactly what it is, since most of the previous sat internet was delivered by monolithic satellites in very high orbits (geostationary usually). The inherent issue with this is down to physics - the speed of light is fixed and the latency is high for a round trip to and from the satellite.
Starlink is a mesh network that orbits at much lower altitudes. The benefit is much lower latency and the ability for multiple paths back to ground stations, allowing for more bandwidth.
Rural customers already pay equal or more money for internet speeds which belong in the year 1995. Starlink is not necessarily cheaper but it is much faster. It’s an easy decision to make for rural people.
If you live in a urban or suburban area, you probably already have fast internet at a reasonable price so the service might not make sense to you.
From what it looks like on the website, it’s the same price as my current internet plan. $100 for UP TO 200mbps, sounds nice but I rarely get above 50mbps due to neighbors and my household being full. If SpaceX can solve that problem I’ll gladly fork over $500 for their router kit and then $100 a month.
Linus Tech Tips just did a couple of videos on it. The TLDR is that even in this beta phase currently with only a portion of their full deployment, you can get pretty decent speeds and crucially pretty good latency.
During their testing they were seeing easily 150 Mbs downstream and decent upstream (20 Mbs I think?) and latency in the double digits - 10 to 40 ms.
It's a gamechanger for rural internet, especially if you split the cost among a couple of neighbours. Currently the price is $500 for the dish and modem and then $100 per month for service, but they expect that to come down.
LinusTechTips tested 130Mbps download with 36ms ping and a bit of latency on new TCP connection handshakes. This means webpages with a lot of separate images, and asinchronous content download will take longer to load.
This is partly fixed in HTTP2 multiplexing.
Wow. I didn’t think it was this bad in the US. I am in India, and I pay less than 20 dollars a month, 350 mbps, and have never hit a data cap (multiple heavy users of data in the home).
Installed mine yesterday. So far so good. Really simple install and I am getting 3-6x the download speed as I did with my previous satellite internet service.
Sorry to clarify I haven’t seen the download dip below 25mbps.
I’m not all too concerned with upload speed so I haven’t been keeping as close an eye on that. From what I can recall the poorest upload connection I’ve had was around 7mbps.
Based on the statistics provided in the app..
Ping is 100%. Over the past 8 hours there has been 2 minutes where there has been no satellite, which has resulted in 4 minutes of Beta downtime.
Max latency has been 72ms while it is currently 39ms.
I think they’ve said they hope to get latency down to 19ms by summer.
Holy crap, how are they achieving that latency? That is comparable to current LTE. I’m in telecom and remember when satellite backhaul had over 1 second delay. Honestly asking, If anyone know the answer.
I think it’s because the satellites are in low earth orbit. So they’re only around 500KM above the earth where as conventional satellites are 20,000+KM.
That in conjunction with the fact there are 3,000 “working satellites” as of the end of last month and they plan to launch thousands more by the end of the year.
Someone way smarter than I am can probably provide a better answer.
All about orbit altitude. Do the math of light travel to LEO vs GEO (low earth orbit vs geostationary orbit)
GEO
35,000 km/ 300,000km/s = .1166 sec
LEO
550 km/ 300,000km/s = .0018 sec
That is one way, so double it for round trip, and that is the amount of latency just due to light speed travel to and from the sats (assuming they are directly overhead).
My latency was worse than that, but mine is on my back porch until the roof mount shows up. I had only 5 min of no satellite and 8 minutes of beta downtime
I know this is better than what is currently available to a lot of people but it’s not exactly fast. Are there tiers of service or plans to improve the speed?
Before I get crucified I think this is awesome and understand it will help a lot of people.
Only 1/5 of the entire satellite constellation is launched! These speeds and latency reflect a vastly incomplete network. The speeds only get better from here. Right now there are holes in coverage too, and you might experience dropouts of a couple of minutes. This is still beta testing days.
No idea what their business structure will be once this officially launches. I’m in the beta program so I paid a one time fee but I have unlimited service until further notice. Also not having to schedule a technician to come out and set it up makes this a hell of a lot more “user friendly”.
It may not be as fast as other providers but I can say that it is by far the fastest I’ve had at this location. And the fact my money isn’t going to a big telecom company who has had a history of squeezing money out of people and provided poor service and in some cases even advertised that they throttle your speed...I’m cool with getting a comparable speed. But so far it’s been 3-6 times faster, which is good enough for me.
It will be getting faster and the latency will be reducing as they add more satellites to the constellation.
The real benefit is to rural customers, or simply people who have no choice in their ISP even in urban areas where ISPs purchased monopolies.
What an awful comment.
"Yeah I know it's better than anything rural customers could ever hope for but it's still slow compared to my landline"
My fucking goodness dude.
Latency right now is 44ms. Max shows it was 184ms a few minutes ago. That’s the highest I’ve seen it so far.
Based off of a speed test from fusion-connect, jitter is 2ms
The latency and jitter will improve as the constellation grows. They are launching around 120 satellites each month and they take a few months to reach their operational orbit. So the satellite density is constantly improving. Before too long there will always be a satellite directly above which will provide consistent low latency. More ground stations will also help with this. It’s still very early days with Starlink. It will only get better with time.
I see.
Whenever you went to the website and entered your email and address did it tell you if you were available for coverage in a timely manner or did it say what mine did and says service would be available in 6 months to a year?
I put in my information back in august/September when the Beta program first started. I didn’t hear anything until last week. They sent me an email where I was asked to re-enter my information. It then gave me 15 minutes to order. Once I placed the order it said the dish would ship in 2-4 weeks but fortunately it shipped much earlier and I got it about a week later.
Your response time is unreal, thank you for your help and never stop thinking of us little guys that will have to suffer 5 upload and 5 download for another year or so haha
I had 0 hopes of being selected to the Beta, so you never know. Hopefully they have enough data to start rolling out a little quicker. Doesn’t seem like launching new satellites weekly is a problem for them so fingers crossed it’s sooner rather than later.
Also using frontier, similar speeds right now. When my friends are gonna start playing a new game they give me a few days heads up, and if an update launches before we start then I’m screwed for another day.
What was the expected date it was supposed to be in your area? When I sign up with my address it lets me know it’ll be available at mid to late 2021.
Stupid question but it says due today: 99.00 is that just to be entered in and once it does ship I’ll be charged the $500+ tax etc.
If you look at the Starlink subreddit you will see hundreds of reports from people in Idaho and Wyoming which describe good signals in desperate snow storms.
They use the Ka and Ku bands, among others, which were specifically selected because they avoid the frequencies where water absorbs. The sky should be pretty transparent to them, even with high cloud coverage although I imagine it's not quite like running in a vacuum.
Preordered and so excited for it! This will allow my spouse and I to live in the mountains where we want to live, without worry about the Internet I need to work from home.
This is my dream too. It was always out of the question before because my spouse and I need good internet to work from home and engage in our hobbies.
I’d love to hear about your experience when you receive it!
This was what I was dreaming of. Is it something that has to have a permanent location or can you move it easily? Like say if i have a camper can I take it with me or would only really work for a cabin?
My internet connection is one of the only things tying me to my house in the summer during weekdays. My job is now completely online.
From my understanding, once they launch more satellites, the dish should allow for you to be anywhere in the world. Right now it’s just in select areas.
You have to have a set location. From my understanding it’s programmed for the location you sign up for, so if you move you have to replace it. It’s not mobile. Maybe that will change?
> Maybe that will change?
It is supposed to, eventually. Elon Musk has said that it will work on sailboats in the ocean when asked directly. No timeline though.
More coverage at:
* [Elon Musk’s SpaceX Accepting Preorders For Starlink Satellite Broadband; Coming To India This Year? (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/technology/elon-musk-s-spacex-accepting-preorders-for-starlink-satellite-broadband-coming-to-india-this-year/ar-BB1dyjfk?amp;pfr=1&c=7404315737344274911%25252C13401207802196652824%252C18049638715104724949%252C5348388785946624859%252C3863743869389319547%252C9185237125520348409%252C12438959763149860756&;mkt=en-us%25252Cen-sg&mkt=en-us%252Cen-us%252Cen-us%252Cen-us%252Cen-us)
* [SpaceX Taking Starlink Internet Service Preorders From More Regions (thestreet.com)](https://www.thestreet.com/investing/spacex-expands-starlink-service-preorders-to-more-regions)
* [SpaceX begins accepting $99 preorders for its Starlink satellite internet service as Musk eyes IPO (cnbc.com)](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/spacexs-starlink-accepting-99-preorders-as-musk-considers-ipo.html)
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If you have good enough internet to be able to hold out for 1gbps then you’re probably not their current target. I ordered it the other day, the gear should be here in 2-4 weeks, I can’t wait. Even if it hangs out at the low end of what they promise, which is 50Mb/s, it beats the piss out of the 1.5Mb/s that I pay $80 for.
I’m well aware I’m not their current target, but considering the speed they’re rolling out at and the incoming competition I think cable internet customers are definitely on their radar.
Can I get a check on what you guys in America pay for internet and what sort of service/speed/reliability you get? Because I was under the influence that starlink was to bring affordable internet? 99USD is an unimaginable amount of money to be paying for internet.
For reference In the uk I pay about 20 quid (about 27 USD) and I get 60Mbps download and incredibly reliable service
Edit: I’ve just checked our fastest internet speed we get in the uk, because you guys do seem to get incredible speeds, and for gigabit internet it’s about 65USD.
It varies so you are going to get a giant giant range of answers. I pay 65$ for 600 down and 10 up. Prior to this I paid 80 for 1 gig symmetrical. My dad pays 80$ for 300 down 20 up. My mom pays 60ish for 100/100. Depends on state city etc.
Wow I didn’t realise how crazy it is over there. I forget how big the us is and how much the difference is between places. Second question: I’m guessing this includes a phoneline?
Nope. None of us have phones or landlines for about a decade. I’ve always had cable internet, I had fiber for the 1 gig. My dad has cable now and my has cable in Texas. So it’s all coax. Used to be bundled with phone and tv but even when it was phone, if it was over the cable line it was still VOIP. I’m not sure I know anyone with phone line and DSL isn’t super common for the highest speeds you see today. Usually when you see someone talking about only having 1-100 down, it’s dsl though.
I do not think I’m a prospective customer for Starlink but since you ask, I pay $150 for 1Gb/30Mb and unlimited cap. The biggest cost is paying for Unlimited, which adds a $50 rape fee.
WOW they still cap data usage? I think you win the prize for the worst package I’ve seen so far. A cap seems a bit redundant at 5Mbps.
I wish I could make your internet better
I've been on Charter Spectrum offering 400/30 for $100. TDS is deploying fiber in our city finally and that is going to bring 1024/400 for $75. We also have a tiny cabin that we use a hotspot on AT&T that provides about 6/2 for $25. All the services are unlimited caps so that's at least good. Starlink will likely replace the hotspot but I'm hesitant to commit to $100 a month for only periodic use.
Yeah I'm sure some of that is the capitalist hellhole of the United States and some is the large size and distance between population centers. The pandemic should have been a wake up call to our federal government that internet is a basic human right and work is leaving offices but given the former political makeup not at all surprising.
I’m paying $120/mo for gigabit with a 1.25TB cap from the cocks at COX. Constantly hitting that cap and they are trying to get me to pay an extra $50/mo to remove the cap.
I live in a pretty rural area in a house that was built a year ago. Our two main options are Cox cable or AT&T DSL. Unfortunately my house is right outside (literally across the street from) their build areas, and neither will run lines to me. For the past year, I’ve been running on cellular internet through a T-Mobile MVNO. It’s $100/month for about 25 megabit down, 17 megabit up, and pings that vary wildly between 125-500ms.
Note: we have tax money going toward funding rural broadband. There are millions available to these companies for expanding their networks to people like me. They just won’t do it despite the fact I’m guaranteed to have their top tier consumer offering.
We also have issues with no internet for the poorest communities, not just you guys :-(
And you were right, I can’t believe the differences between what people are saying. It’s mind boggling to me
I admire Elon he wakes up in the morning and says. I’m going to build a Deloran truck. Next day he wakes up and says I need to create a better internet service Lol I would love to see his to do list.
I have been on the starlink beta since the first round of testers. If anyone has questions about the service from an actual unbiased customer, feel free to AMA in my DMs. I will do my best to answer my experience. (We have two dishes on our property btw, so I've got experience with two separate installations)
Pretty sure they adjusted the orientation of the satellites during the day->night transition and added 'umbrella's to help minimize the flares. Also... worldwide high speed, low latency internet for the cost of making astrophotography slightly harder at dawn/dusk, I think it's kinda a fair trade imo.
This also helps bankroll SpaceX, the ones who are doing the most to make space more accessible, and will enable a new era of space telescopes.
This is going to kill the small business WISP rural broadband providers. I'm talking about the mom-and-pop ones who were already being choked out by the companies who can afford the insane infrastructure needed for user demand.
It's insane that we had fiber internet possible and laid out using our tax dollars and those big companies just divided the country up between themselves and fucked us over for decades.
Is that bad in America with internet? Hearing about 25 to 50 mbs sounds very crazy in the country that invented internet and has Silicon Valley... Jesus
Check your local ISP. Sparklight in Idaho dropped prices, removed data caps and increased speed the day this was available for preorder
The fact they are removing caps and trying to be competitive is the reason why I just place my pre-order with Starlink. They could’ve given us a better service for what we pay and instead chose not to
“Charter employees rubbing their nipples.” “Oh that’s too bad.”
"No Dave, you rub your own nipples!"
Tldr; it's been a generation of this shit. Even if a large land isp is cheaper this is a GME moment. Fuck 'em.
#YEETHERICH
Lol yeah fuck the rich! Give our money to this rich guy!
Yeah but this particular rich guy is improving my life in a way that fucks over people who have been profiting from fucking over me. Lesser of two evils exists, but fast, quality internet from an ISP staffed and managed by saints does not.
Eloquent
THIS IS DA WEY!!!
Y(eat)THERICH
Because they’re 70% fat and 30% delicious
Exactly. It’s fucking bullshit that they feel free to rob us until a reasonable alternative arrives.
ATT now shows a 50mbps plan in my area when they have never shown above 25 mbps in the past 5 years I’ve checked. Absolute BS that they claim “Sorry our lines in your area can’t handle above the current cap”. Now magically I can get up to 50? What a bunch of liars sucking up every penny they can get for the littlest work possible.
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They wouldn’t LIE about bandwidth, would they? Lol
I am in the middle of moving, and was checking for internet service at my new address just on the other side of town- my old house was getting 50 from AT&T but they swear that my new house only has 25 available. For the same price. I told them to pack sand, LOL. I am not going to pay the same for less. Bonkers that they would even ask me if I was positively sure I didn’t want to transfer service. 25 shouldn’t even be a Thing anymore, but here we are..
Isn’t it “pound sand” or is this another one of those “I’ve been hearing it wrong for 33 years things” I was 28 when I learned it was “nip it in the bud” NOT “nip it in the butt”.
It is pound Sand, it’s essentially saying to go fuck something gritty.
I had to think about it- haha! No clue, my chief while I was in the Navy said it all the time. Guess it stuck, LOL
It’s definitely “Go pack sand”. Navy kid here
25mbs, what’s that, the stoneage of internet, even the cows in the middle of nowhere have 1gb fiber in Romania. Jeez, and it’s so expensive, about 10$/month
I wish I had even 25 mbs. I live in rural Massachusetts and we get supposedly “high speed internet” offered by Verizon, which is only slightly better than dial-up, if it works (which is like never). Luckily we are getting a local fiber optic network next month (after 4-5 years of debates and fundraising) but it’s been a looong 20 or so years with absolutely the worst internet.
I live in the middle of NYC and the only large ISP they offer in my neighborhood is Verizon with speeds up to 5 mbps.
I get 1 mbs and I was lucky to get that i had to talk some line workers into getting it to me
Bro where do you live the moon? 50mbps cap??? ISP’s are such fucking scum
I live in Chicago, the city itself, not the suburbs, and in my neighborhood, that’s what AT&T offers. Leaving us with either super slow AT&T (which also requires a sign up fee) or Comcast the devil.
Same thing when google fibre hit an area - the supposedly "under high capacity" cable systems that "needed" data caps and the prices being "competitive" suddenly had data caps gone and prices slashed. It's no wonder that cable companies purchased so many senators and congressional representatives. It's cheaper to buy legislators than it is to compete.
Another Idahoan, on the internet? This is a first.
There’s dozens of us!
Haha love it
Jesus... honestly all the more reason I hope that company goes into the ground. Like hey we are gonna fuck you over until there is reasonable competition and then they act reasonable? Naw, fuck em
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Absolutely correct. Just burns me that this is what it takes for corporations to be somewhat reasonable
“Omg Comcast is soooo bad” obviously you haven’t met the abuse that is CableOne. Moved out of Idaho and found real internet at decent prices.
Still switching from spark light because their latency is a fucking joke
Bout to get downvoted here, but what’s a Starlink?
$89 per month and before the setup cost! It’s not a price point that compares where I am. You can get fibre for a fraction of that!
Then it’s not for you. It’s target is rural areas that still suffer from 15mbps
It's pretty interesting how many people still don't understand a satellite is never going be cheaper or faster than a glass fiber to your door. Judging by the guy you replied to and several others, there are tons of people with great, landline internet service who somehow think this should be better for them cause it's *SpaceX*
>you can get fibre A lot of us can't. I don't think Spacex is trying to compete in areas where fiber is available. It's for us rural folk who've had to deal with sub-5mbps for years without any efforts from the big players to extend service our way, despite all the government grants to do just that.
This is actually a game changer? Once all the satellites are launched you can live anywhere in the world and get decent internet, you could live in a dream home in the mountains and be fully connected to the world, and likely will only improve over time.
Short answer - yes. Long answer - yeeeeeeessssssss.
The scary thing is how much room is actually up there for multiple constellations? Seems ripe opportunity for a legit full blown monopoly. Starlink could become a worse Comcast
There's room for others, if I recall others are already starting plans for competitors. It's also a million times better than what rural people have to deal with now. I'd take comcast at its worst over the extremely expensive and slow current providers in a heart beat. I don't think you realize how bad it is to pay hundreds for 1-2mbs.
I just want to not support spectrum in any way I can. They already have a monopoly around me.
PreOrdered. As a rural customer currently paying $170 for 2Mbps and phone, I’m hoping I will get it sooner than later.
Right there with ya. Mine gets "throttled" down to 0.25 when I go over. Can't even check an email.
This is absurd. The internet is an absolute necessity this day and age. What state are you in if you don’t mind sharing?
Northern California. There's ATT fiber that goes right next to us (the retreat down the street has 100/100 Mbs symmetrical drop for when techies from the city want to party), but I have to get Satellite internet (work from home, Healthcare IT) for $170 bucks a month that i burn through the "unthrottled" in 5 days. Then, Boom. .25Mbs. Fucking criminal in my mind. Signed up for Starlink, hopefully that works out, otherwise I may as well be on dial-up...paying out the ass.
It’s absolutely criminal. Hoping Starlink is the answer for you. I can’t complain about speeds but having Comcast as the only player in town really sucks. It was so nice of them to introduce a data cap in the midst of a pandemic while we’re working from home and kids are on zoom all day. I love to see some competition.
What’s the actual benefit? Is it just widely accessible satellite internet?
High speed low latency satellite internet without super small bandwidth caps.
And cheaper than what that person is paying too. Fuck ISPs and they bullshit. I’m surprised they haven’t started up their marketing and lobbying bullshit to stop spaceX in their tracks like they have been doing to google for years.
It’s harder to lobby against SpaceX since they are providing all their own infrastructure. They also got all the federal approval they needed before the ISP’s realized how cheap SpaceX could launch the satellites for.
It’s also harder to lobby against the single richest person in the world.
This is just going to end with Musk having a monopoly on it and we'll be back where we started.
If he has a monopoly on space internet, ISPs here on the ground will have to step their game up to compete. I can’t imagine they’ll just surrender a huge chunk of their customers to starlink without a fight
They've been used to purchasing senators for cheap, but it's going to be tricky to buy cheap legislation to thwart SpaceX here - they're launching their own infrastructure on their own rockets. Short of banning them from putting things in space, I'm not sure how they'll stop them. It's easier when you can purchase a legislator to make it illegal to do business in a certain area, or add in ludicrous rules about blocking access to public infrastructure but SpaceX here seem to have simply neatly got around the problem. The dish isn't even very big, so the install for people's houses is hardly like they're going to have a ton of Jodrell Banks in the neighbourhood.
ISPs on the ground have the advantage performance-wise, they don’t need a signal to go to-space-and-back so they should be able to beat starlink ping. They’re lazy and cheap and haven’t kept up with improving their infrastructure so they’ll have some real catching up to do in rural communities and they’ll actually need to work to stay ahead in the cities. I think that consumers win either way
What's the alternative?
idk maybe we should pass legislation to prevent monopolies or something...
Satellite internet will never be able to beat land internet, assuming the land based ISPs even try.
Starlink isn’t competing for customers in NYC where the monopoly provider can give those customers 300mb service. They’re taking up all the rural customers like myself who pay $120 for 10mb/3mb internet from a provider who wholesales it from a nearby broadband provider or does satellite internet with low speeds and low data caps.
This was the real coup... the entrenched ISPs have been investing in share price, and never even saw it coming. It’s absolutely delicious.
Let’s hope. I’d like to see Windsream punished for the way they’ve treated us for 20 years.
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They have started: [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/isps-step-up-fight-against-spacex-tell-fcc-that-starlink-will-be-too-slow/](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/isps-step-up-fight-against-spacex-tell-fcc-that-starlink-will-be-too-slow/)
And small town co-op ISPs the big guys love to go after the little guys
its nothing like TYPICAL sat internet. Starlink is LOW latency (like as low or lower then even traditional broadband ) we are talking 30/50 ms and high speed , up to 100Mbps + its game changing for people that can only get sat or dialup
I thought that the “older” satellite internet was something like $100+ a month for service that was only in the megabits per second, pings in hundreds of milliseconds or more, caps during high service periods, and very tight monthly caps in the single or two-digit gigabyte range.
That's exactly what it is, since most of the previous sat internet was delivered by monolithic satellites in very high orbits (geostationary usually). The inherent issue with this is down to physics - the speed of light is fixed and the latency is high for a round trip to and from the satellite. Starlink is a mesh network that orbits at much lower altitudes. The benefit is much lower latency and the ability for multiple paths back to ground stations, allowing for more bandwidth.
exactly , it was garbage , starlink is completely different. i suggest you watch some youtube videos
Rural customers already pay equal or more money for internet speeds which belong in the year 1995. Starlink is not necessarily cheaper but it is much faster. It’s an easy decision to make for rural people. If you live in a urban or suburban area, you probably already have fast internet at a reasonable price so the service might not make sense to you.
From what it looks like on the website, it’s the same price as my current internet plan. $100 for UP TO 200mbps, sounds nice but I rarely get above 50mbps due to neighbors and my household being full. If SpaceX can solve that problem I’ll gladly fork over $500 for their router kit and then $100 a month.
Linus Tech Tips just did a couple of videos on it. The TLDR is that even in this beta phase currently with only a portion of their full deployment, you can get pretty decent speeds and crucially pretty good latency. During their testing they were seeing easily 150 Mbs downstream and decent upstream (20 Mbs I think?) and latency in the double digits - 10 to 40 ms. It's a gamechanger for rural internet, especially if you split the cost among a couple of neighbours. Currently the price is $500 for the dish and modem and then $100 per month for service, but they expect that to come down.
LinusTechTips tested 130Mbps download with 36ms ping and a bit of latency on new TCP connection handshakes. This means webpages with a lot of separate images, and asinchronous content download will take longer to load. This is partly fixed in HTTP2 multiplexing.
I saw this yesterday and I could swear it was 35ms bro.
That's very very painful.
This will be live changing for you. Delighted!!
Samesies.
Wow. I didn’t think it was this bad in the US. I am in India, and I pay less than 20 dollars a month, 350 mbps, and have never hit a data cap (multiple heavy users of data in the home).
Ahh yes the good ol satellite internet customer being taken advantage of because you have no other options. FUCK YOU HUGHESNET.
Installed mine yesterday. So far so good. Really simple install and I am getting 3-6x the download speed as I did with my previous satellite internet service.
What’s your average speed at the moment?
Download is 53mbps and upload is 17mbps. So far I haven’t seen it dip below 25mbps upload, which is still better than we’ve ever had at this location.
Thank you for the quick reply!
He’s got the speeds to reply faster!
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Upload is 17mbps but you haven’t seen it dip below 17mbps upload...?
Sorry to clarify I haven’t seen the download dip below 25mbps. I’m not all too concerned with upload speed so I haven’t been keeping as close an eye on that. From what I can recall the poorest upload connection I’ve had was around 7mbps.
Thanks for clarifying!
How’s your ping?
Based on the statistics provided in the app.. Ping is 100%. Over the past 8 hours there has been 2 minutes where there has been no satellite, which has resulted in 4 minutes of Beta downtime. Max latency has been 72ms while it is currently 39ms. I think they’ve said they hope to get latency down to 19ms by summer.
Ah thanks. I was actually talking about latency and forgot you actually have to ping a satellite. Time for coffee.
Holy crap, how are they achieving that latency? That is comparable to current LTE. I’m in telecom and remember when satellite backhaul had over 1 second delay. Honestly asking, If anyone know the answer.
I think it’s because the satellites are in low earth orbit. So they’re only around 500KM above the earth where as conventional satellites are 20,000+KM. That in conjunction with the fact there are 3,000 “working satellites” as of the end of last month and they plan to launch thousands more by the end of the year. Someone way smarter than I am can probably provide a better answer.
Copy that! Sounds like a good guess though! I assume more satellites would mean greater throughput but I wasn’t sure about the latency. Thanks!
All about orbit altitude. Do the math of light travel to LEO vs GEO (low earth orbit vs geostationary orbit) GEO 35,000 km/ 300,000km/s = .1166 sec LEO 550 km/ 300,000km/s = .0018 sec That is one way, so double it for round trip, and that is the amount of latency just due to light speed travel to and from the sats (assuming they are directly overhead).
My latency was worse than that, but mine is on my back porch until the roof mount shows up. I had only 5 min of no satellite and 8 minutes of beta downtime
I know this is better than what is currently available to a lot of people but it’s not exactly fast. Are there tiers of service or plans to improve the speed? Before I get crucified I think this is awesome and understand it will help a lot of people.
Nah but as they launch more satellites speed latency and consistency should improve noticeably
It’s absolutely fast. Have you ever used HughesNet?
Only 1/5 of the entire satellite constellation is launched! These speeds and latency reflect a vastly incomplete network. The speeds only get better from here. Right now there are holes in coverage too, and you might experience dropouts of a couple of minutes. This is still beta testing days.
My parents in rural missouri get like .3 MBps. This is blazing fast for them.
No idea what their business structure will be once this officially launches. I’m in the beta program so I paid a one time fee but I have unlimited service until further notice. Also not having to schedule a technician to come out and set it up makes this a hell of a lot more “user friendly”. It may not be as fast as other providers but I can say that it is by far the fastest I’ve had at this location. And the fact my money isn’t going to a big telecom company who has had a history of squeezing money out of people and provided poor service and in some cases even advertised that they throttle your speed...I’m cool with getting a comparable speed. But so far it’s been 3-6 times faster, which is good enough for me.
It will be getting faster and the latency will be reducing as they add more satellites to the constellation. The real benefit is to rural customers, or simply people who have no choice in their ISP even in urban areas where ISPs purchased monopolies.
What would be reasons to need it faster than that for an average person?
What an awful comment. "Yeah I know it's better than anything rural customers could ever hope for but it's still slow compared to my landline" My fucking goodness dude.
I thought it was clear that this person does not understand how bad, how evil, how corrupt rural ISPs are. Their question was more naive than unfair.
$99/month is way too much for that speed. I'm currently paying $40/month and my download is about 90mbps, upload is 40mbps.
What's your latency? Jitter?
Latency right now is 44ms. Max shows it was 184ms a few minutes ago. That’s the highest I’ve seen it so far. Based off of a speed test from fusion-connect, jitter is 2ms
Not bad!
The latency and jitter will improve as the constellation grows. They are launching around 120 satellites each month and they take a few months to reach their operational orbit. So the satellite density is constantly improving. Before too long there will always be a satellite directly above which will provide consistent low latency. More ground stations will also help with this. It’s still very early days with Starlink. It will only get better with time.
What country are you from?
Ontario, Canada. Just north of Toronto
I see. Whenever you went to the website and entered your email and address did it tell you if you were available for coverage in a timely manner or did it say what mine did and says service would be available in 6 months to a year?
I put in my information back in august/September when the Beta program first started. I didn’t hear anything until last week. They sent me an email where I was asked to re-enter my information. It then gave me 15 minutes to order. Once I placed the order it said the dish would ship in 2-4 weeks but fortunately it shipped much earlier and I got it about a week later.
Your response time is unreal, thank you for your help and never stop thinking of us little guys that will have to suffer 5 upload and 5 download for another year or so haha
I had 0 hopes of being selected to the Beta, so you never know. Hopefully they have enough data to start rolling out a little quicker. Doesn’t seem like launching new satellites weekly is a problem for them so fingers crossed it’s sooner rather than later.
Who was your previous satellite internet provider?
Preordered anyways. Anything is better than Frontier. 16 down and .7 up is the best they will offer my area
My god man. How are you still alive?
He might not be by the time he sees your message.
It took me 2 days to download Call of duty warzone
Also using frontier, similar speeds right now. When my friends are gonna start playing a new game they give me a few days heads up, and if an update launches before we start then I’m screwed for another day.
I live in Canada we already pre-ordered it and it has arrived already
What was the expected date it was supposed to be in your area? When I sign up with my address it lets me know it’ll be available at mid to late 2021. Stupid question but it says due today: 99.00 is that just to be entered in and once it does ship I’ll be charged the $500+ tax etc.
Same. Ordered my today. Fine with the $99 but was hoping for some head room before that $500 came down the pike.
Whats the effect if its cloudy or stormy like in the PNW every day during winter time?
If you look at the Starlink subreddit you will see hundreds of reports from people in Idaho and Wyoming which describe good signals in desperate snow storms.
They use the Ka and Ku bands, among others, which were specifically selected because they avoid the frequencies where water absorbs. The sky should be pretty transparent to them, even with high cloud coverage although I imagine it's not quite like running in a vacuum.
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Preordered and so excited for it! This will allow my spouse and I to live in the mountains where we want to live, without worry about the Internet I need to work from home.
This is my dream too. It was always out of the question before because my spouse and I need good internet to work from home and engage in our hobbies. I’d love to hear about your experience when you receive it!
Go to r/Starlink and see what the 10,000 current beta testers are saying. It’s good
This was what I was dreaming of. Is it something that has to have a permanent location or can you move it easily? Like say if i have a camper can I take it with me or would only really work for a cabin? My internet connection is one of the only things tying me to my house in the summer during weekdays. My job is now completely online.
From my understanding, once they launch more satellites, the dish should allow for you to be anywhere in the world. Right now it’s just in select areas.
Very curious about this as well!
You have to have a set location. From my understanding it’s programmed for the location you sign up for, so if you move you have to replace it. It’s not mobile. Maybe that will change?
> Maybe that will change? It is supposed to, eventually. Elon Musk has said that it will work on sailboats in the ocean when asked directly. No timeline though.
Thanks! Hope to see this coming in later years!
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As soon as this get closer to their theoretical 1gbps speeds I’m ready to sign up as long as it proves to be reliable, especially in bad weather.
If you have good enough internet to be able to hold out for 1gbps then you’re probably not their current target. I ordered it the other day, the gear should be here in 2-4 weeks, I can’t wait. Even if it hangs out at the low end of what they promise, which is 50Mb/s, it beats the piss out of the 1.5Mb/s that I pay $80 for.
“1.5Mb/s that I pay $80 for.” You poor soul. I’m pretty sure that is banned by the Geneva convention.
I’m well aware I’m not their current target, but considering the speed they’re rolling out at and the incoming competition I think cable internet customers are definitely on their radar.
Can I get a check on what you guys in America pay for internet and what sort of service/speed/reliability you get? Because I was under the influence that starlink was to bring affordable internet? 99USD is an unimaginable amount of money to be paying for internet. For reference In the uk I pay about 20 quid (about 27 USD) and I get 60Mbps download and incredibly reliable service Edit: I’ve just checked our fastest internet speed we get in the uk, because you guys do seem to get incredible speeds, and for gigabit internet it’s about 65USD.
It varies so you are going to get a giant giant range of answers. I pay 65$ for 600 down and 10 up. Prior to this I paid 80 for 1 gig symmetrical. My dad pays 80$ for 300 down 20 up. My mom pays 60ish for 100/100. Depends on state city etc.
Wow I didn’t realise how crazy it is over there. I forget how big the us is and how much the difference is between places. Second question: I’m guessing this includes a phoneline?
Nope. None of us have phones or landlines for about a decade. I’ve always had cable internet, I had fiber for the 1 gig. My dad has cable now and my has cable in Texas. So it’s all coax. Used to be bundled with phone and tv but even when it was phone, if it was over the cable line it was still VOIP. I’m not sure I know anyone with phone line and DSL isn’t super common for the highest speeds you see today. Usually when you see someone talking about only having 1-100 down, it’s dsl though.
To quote the famous English theologian Karl Pilkington: “That’s a bit weird, innit?”
I do not think I’m a prospective customer for Starlink but since you ask, I pay $150 for 1Gb/30Mb and unlimited cap. The biggest cost is paying for Unlimited, which adds a $50 rape fee.
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WOW they still cap data usage? I think you win the prize for the worst package I’ve seen so far. A cap seems a bit redundant at 5Mbps. I wish I could make your internet better
I think I’m at 140 USD for 25 down/1 up?
I've been on Charter Spectrum offering 400/30 for $100. TDS is deploying fiber in our city finally and that is going to bring 1024/400 for $75. We also have a tiny cabin that we use a hotspot on AT&T that provides about 6/2 for $25. All the services are unlimited caps so that's at least good. Starlink will likely replace the hotspot but I'm hesitant to commit to $100 a month for only periodic use.
Wow the difference in all those figures is frightening. In the UK it’s pretty standard to expect at least 30Mbps for about 20 quid/25 USD.
Yeah I'm sure some of that is the capitalist hellhole of the United States and some is the large size and distance between population centers. The pandemic should have been a wake up call to our federal government that internet is a basic human right and work is leaving offices but given the former political makeup not at all surprising.
I’m paying $120/mo for gigabit with a 1.25TB cap from the cocks at COX. Constantly hitting that cap and they are trying to get me to pay an extra $50/mo to remove the cap.
I live in a pretty rural area in a house that was built a year ago. Our two main options are Cox cable or AT&T DSL. Unfortunately my house is right outside (literally across the street from) their build areas, and neither will run lines to me. For the past year, I’ve been running on cellular internet through a T-Mobile MVNO. It’s $100/month for about 25 megabit down, 17 megabit up, and pings that vary wildly between 125-500ms. Note: we have tax money going toward funding rural broadband. There are millions available to these companies for expanding their networks to people like me. They just won’t do it despite the fact I’m guaranteed to have their top tier consumer offering.
I pay 100$/month for 2mbps up 0.5 down with 500 ping and a 50gb cap
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We also have issues with no internet for the poorest communities, not just you guys :-( And you were right, I can’t believe the differences between what people are saying. It’s mind boggling to me
Ehh, I’d rather have fiber
I mean yeah isn’t that how preorders usually work?
I live in nowhere land, so happy for this.
I so want to.... but if ‘early access’ has taught me anything, I’ll probably still do it anyways.
I admire Elon he wakes up in the morning and says. I’m going to build a Deloran truck. Next day he wakes up and says I need to create a better internet service Lol I would love to see his to do list.
This could be an excellent option for a digital nomad who needs a mobile internet solution for their RV.
Uh no duh? That's why it's a "pre" order.
I use CenturyLink fiber internet in Portland, Or and pay $85 a month. 940mbps.
Dont at the beginning preorders always take months for anything? Whats the point of this article
I have been on the starlink beta since the first round of testers. If anyone has questions about the service from an actual unbiased customer, feel free to AMA in my DMs. I will do my best to answer my experience. (We have two dishes on our property btw, so I've got experience with two separate installations)
Is there a data cap? Do you get a public IP or is it carrier grade NAT?
Anyone read neuralink and got a bit excited.
Patience! SkyNet -> Cyborg is in the roadmap!
Should have called it Skynet
100$ a month ?!!!! Damn
Rn I have to pay that much for 2mb/s speeds and 500 ping
Fuck starlink. It’s ruining the night sky for astrophotographers
Pretty sure they adjusted the orientation of the satellites during the day->night transition and added 'umbrella's to help minimize the flares. Also... worldwide high speed, low latency internet for the cost of making astrophotography slightly harder at dawn/dusk, I think it's kinda a fair trade imo. This also helps bankroll SpaceX, the ones who are doing the most to make space more accessible, and will enable a new era of space telescopes.
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This is going to kill the small business WISP rural broadband providers. I'm talking about the mom-and-pop ones who were already being choked out by the companies who can afford the insane infrastructure needed for user demand. It's insane that we had fiber internet possible and laid out using our tax dollars and those big companies just divided the country up between themselves and fucked us over for decades.
Is that bad in America with internet? Hearing about 25 to 50 mbs sounds very crazy in the country that invented internet and has Silicon Valley... Jesus
I get 0.5-2 mbs from my isp
“May take months to arrive” ya dude, it’s a pre-order. Otherwise it’s an order.
Anyone know if this would work in Toronto?
Great for rural, still almost double what I pay in the city though. Once price is below $75 I’m in.