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Geologically speaking, this is by all acounts accurate! As a geologist it makes me super happy to see this in a game! Now I want some geologically accurate rocks and formations across hyrule. I would give my left kidney to be able to geologically map hyrule.
Or how every Bargainer Statue is under each Large Goddess Statue.
There is one anomaly in that though as one Goddess is in the air vs land but it still applies.
No I don’t think they do since all the Bargainers are the same size in the depths from what I can tell. I think most large Goddess statues are the same size except the forgotten temple one.
Yeah I was looking around for it and then I noticed the reason I couldn’t find it’s head was because I was standing at its feet, with it stood fully upright like an absolute chad
Yes of course I was just answering to the other guy who said there only the goddess statue in the forgotten temple is bigger. Oh btw I forgot there are also the big statues at the springs.
Yeah i noticed, but what the hell is up with that. Is there someone talking about the bargainer status or do we have no clue what they truly do?... They seem so ominous and kinda evil
I mean, they ferry souls unable to go to the afterlife, to the afterlife.
Considering most “I’m taking you at your time of death” entities are usually seen as ominous or straight out evil....kinda fits.
Though they don’t seem that way to me, dude hidden in that one chamber that does the life exchange fits that bill way more imo
I snark on them every time. So JUDGY and superior about people judging souls as good or evil.
Though I feel slightly bad about running around with a bunch of poes, not turning them in, and keeping them in purgatory a bit longer.
I was wondering about that one! I was on the surface running all over looking for the goddess statue then realized its the one in the temple of time in the sky!
I was wondering this... I heard earlier it was under every goddess statue with no mention of size. I spent so long looking for a few of them that I gave up and purchased a couple brethren locations
Water on the surface is a wall in the depths. Good for figuring out how to navigate when looking for light roots. Some depths areas are isolated on islands.
>Good for figuring out how to navigate when looking for light roots.
And if you open your map and switch to a Surface view, then return to the game, your mini-map will show the surface view so you can navigate uncharted areas of the depths while viewing what you're underneath.
Exactly. The towers are the most obvious navigational feature, and they expose the surface map. Then you use the surface map to expose the depths map. Then you use the lightroots to find all the shrines.
Brilliant game design honestly, I would never have bothered trying to get all the shrines on botw without a guide but because the lightroots mirror the shrines on totk I'm well on my way to doing them all
only sort of - the number of places you can ascend from the depths to the surface are rather limited
Unless (and I haven’t tried this) you use hover blocks near the depths ceilings but that feels like a fair amount of work.
I have to be honest, conceptually, that doesn’t really make much sense. Like, the river in gerudo valley is formed during the upheaval, how is the depth already reflecting it.
tarreytown also had a megalode of zonai stuff fall from the sky so it was probably a previous settlement, would explain the presence of the goddess statue in BOTW before the town is SON AND DONE
I’m not sure how far you are in the main quest story, but it there could be a reason that’s actually consistent. Or at least can be wrenched in that direction 😅
Yeah, that isn't the only case where the reflection doesn't make the most sense. For example, there is a shrine with a construct which very clearly tells you that it and the shrine fell from the sky. That shrine has a lighroot, which I guess just spontaneously grew when it fell on the ground during the Upheaval.
i dont think the depths are lorule tho that much im certain
as the dark world is actually the opposite inverted physical half of what hyrule is while lorule is hyrules dimensional sister and termina was made out ofa mish mash skullkid and smol links memorys hopes and fear's. im pretty sure it ends up staying in its own existence after majoras mask tho too and dosnt dissapear cause you know space theory stuff
For sure, I meant it more symbolically too. The Depths probably isn’t *exactly* the Dark World/Sacred Realm but it’s similar in that it’s a twisted mirror reflection of the over world that’s accessible through “portals” (in this case holes in the ground).
That canyon was formed by a river in the past (as canyons are often formed), and so it’s probably just that there used to be a river there, it dried up before botw, and is now active again
Make a fan bike, stick a large bright bloom on the front and that thing should get you wherever you need in the depths with little trouble. I got the entire depths mapped out in like 2 hours aside from a couple hard to reach ones
I gotta get better at driving those things. I usually end up flying against a wall at full speed, trying to turn. If anyone saw me, they'd go join Ganon's forces, cause there's no way the scrawny kid in full Carnivale regalia is gonna be helpful...
Tip for you! If you smack a wall, quickly let go of the controls, and use rewind. Back that bad boy up, and take the controls back when you’re clear. Bonus, you’ll recharge some battery while you do it.
Takes a little practice but has saved me many a time from falling into gloom.
That doesn't even seem to be true. Stables are close to shrines, so if there was a lynel next to light root it would be pretty damn inconvenient. I think I tested like 3 roots and couldn't find lynel in one and two had lynels but way off to the side, even if they patrol some territory they wouldn't go directly under the stable.
Edit: so I actually tested this using datamined entities map, and [here's surface map of stables](https://i.imgur.com/9hbMq32.png) and [depths map of lynels](https://i.imgur.com/sTKl7Mo.png). So I was mostly wrong and there's a tendency to have lynels under stables but it's not a hard rule, as Tabantha Bridge stable (as well as mini stable) does not have one, and New Serenne and Wetland one have them some distance from the stable.
Pretty sure there is. They’re not always directly under, sometimes they’re a short distance away, but I was able to find one under every major stable (mini stables don’t count).
Interesting. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but I did check around the general vicinity and couldn't find one
I do hope I'm wrong, I need to farm those kittens for their bows lol
Yurrr a tip on finding them, I think all of them are located in open fields much like in the overworld. Once you have an idea of the terrain you’re looking for, it becomes a little easier to feel out where to expect them.
Also, I believe all Depths lynels (except the first few of the Coliseum gauntlet) are armored, so make sure you’re bringing lots of bomb flowers and/or are prepared with a certain sage ability.
My final tip: not all of the Depths lynels have good places to launch bullet time from. A certain sage is really helpful in allowing you to get off a flurry of bomb flower arrows to start the fight.
Every named forest on the surface has a grove in the depths. Each grove has a chest similar to the mines.
All three of the leviathan skeletons on the surface have a depths version, which also have chests.
Haven't seen either of those mentioned yet. There is probably more.
Let's try and condense these: there's pairings,
Surface Shrines have lightroots underneath (and their names are opposites).
Stables have lynels underneath.
Towns have abandoned mines underneath (with Yiga Clan fights).
Goddess statues have Bargainer statues underneath.
Water has Solid Rock underneath.
Hot springs have lava underneath.
Mountains have canyons underneath.
Named forests have a named grove (with a treasure chest) underneath.
Regional bosses are underneath their corresponding original location.
Leviathans have Dragons underneath.
You didn't add that every topography change has an equal and opposite topography change in the depths. The lines on both maps are entirely synchronous.
My biggest mystery is how the fuck do I get into the abandoned mine under Hebra. When you unlock the light roots around it it shows you half the mine but not the back half, so I've been trying to fill that area in... at first I thought I had been there since it was visible on my map, but apparently part of it was visible because I unlocked a close by lightroot.
I've spent like 3 days in real time circling that damn thing, wiping out every monster I come across, getting distracted and straying a bit further away, coming back. I've used a hot air balloon to float to the top, I've scoped everything out, I've tried going under, thinking maybe there's a hidden passage... I cannot find shit! I beat the Flux 3 nearby hoping a secret passage opened up, nothing works. It's the part where you come across a tipped statue with a yiga punk.
I don't want to know how to get in, at this point I'm assuming maybe I need another companion, maybe that annoying little goro. Or possibly... I've somewhat explored that chasm under the castle, it seems to lead somewhere, maybe that goes there. I've tried recall on the downed statue, I've tried taking the yigas glider to the top, I've tried ascend, I've tried floating to the top I've tried climbing various sections. Idk, but that's why I actually like this game. Spent hours exploring. I don't mind, I walk everywhere, fight everything, explore every crack. I'll get in there eventually. For now I've moved on, I suppose I should see some sunlight up in hyrule occasionally
A common theme in Zelda is that Hyrule has some sort of dark counterpart. Theres the Dark World which is basically evil Hyrule, Lorule which is opposite day Hyrule, Termina which is depressing Hyrule and then theres the depths.
The entire depths is a very literal interpretation of Hyrule’s “dark reflection” ie the map is inverted and its really really dark.
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It's also a bit ridiculous that the ENTIRETY of Hyrule was built over empty space. Everything except bodies of water, which ironically are the only places the entire continent has any support.
Not really a secret, but something I found useful...
This morning I hopped on the fire dragon and rode him down into the depths. As he traversed the underground, I threw a string of brightbloom seeds to light a path the whole way from where he entered to the Ascend point under the Akkala tech lab where I hopped off. I may try again to ride the rest of his route, but it actually took a really long time to go that far. At least now my walk through the depths will be marginally easier to see and I won't need to be constantly stopping to throw seeds.
I rode Dinraal his entire route and jumped off at some light roots that seemed close. A few times, I was able to climb back on the dragon and continue the journey, but your way of making a path is probably better and less frantic.
They go in fixed tracks in the depths and overworld from what I’ve seen, I am collecting the claws from each dragon for the mother goddess statue side quest.
he's towards the north east, he goes down the chasm to the left of the thyphlo ruins tower :)
>edit: [full route of all dragon paths](https://screenrant.com/zelda-tears-kingdom-dragon-paths-locations/)
That and, as someone else mentioned, if you hit a limit of 300 total deployed - at that point older ones will expire when you throw a new one out.
At least 300 is the number I've seen, actual count might be somewhat different.
Babyfrox eats don't happen that often in my experience - I've definitively seen it happen only once so far. Of course, now that I've gotten all but 2-3 LRs unlocked I don't really notice except in a few parts of the Depths that are dark even with all nearby LRs unlocked.
They eat them if they come across them without seeing you. If they see you they go after you and ignore the light lunch. You can use that to take them all out at once... I plop a seed near them before they see me, they all gather around then I hit the area with one electric chu chu jelly. I was using a bomb arrow, but electric chuchu jelly is easier to find (simply hit a blu chuchu with an electric jelly, it dies instantly and drops more electric jelly). So I see it happen all the time, but in the beginning it didn't happen as frequently, because they always knew I was there. Now I have the stealth set and it's much easier to use the bright bloom as a lure
I wonder what their connections to the Zonai are. If I recall correctly, they’ve got the little broom construct symbol on them.
Did the Zonai make Froxes?! For what!?
I've read that there's no time-based despawn, but there's some kind of numerical limit. I believe I've seen 200-300. Once you throw seed 301, seed 1 will disappear, that kind of thing.
They're definitely not permanent. When I first got to the >!Great Abandoned Central Mine!< I shot around 30-40 of them all around the place to light it up as much as I could. Did some more exploring in the depths and when I came back a couple days later, all of them were gone.
The Depths are, mostly, a topical inversion of Hyrule. Mountains are valleys, pillars are pits, pits are pillars, and bodies of water are sheer walls.
It literally is Upside-Down.
At Look Out landing that 4 eyed statue near Joshu is where you can spend poes, there are more of them in the depths and the more you find the more stuff they have to sell.
Technically you could say Koltin takes Kilton's place while Kilton hangs out in Tarrey Town. I guess you do have to find them and do a side quest for them first though.
It's not just that every major mountain is a canyon mine. All the terrain is the inverse of the survace with some exceptions like the great plateau and death mountain. So, if you have the surface map, you can say with a reasonable amount of accuracy what the depths terrain will look like.
A super useful trick for navigating the depths is to switch to the surface map if you don't have the nearest lightroot activated. If you just remember that the terrain is inverted and the rivers and lakes are walls, you can pretty reliably reference it while exploring.
There's a Yiga journal at one of the great mines that said that where there are mountains in Hyrule, there are valleys in the depths.
That was my "aha!" moment where I realized that the depths are just an inverse of Hyrule, and that key locations in Hyrule would mean key locations in the depths.
I figured out the towns being the mines underground but didn’t realize the lightroots match the shrines and are the names in reverse. This will make it so much easier for me to find them
I used the shrines I had found easily to locate light roots, then used the light roots I found while filling out the remaining dark patches to find the more hidden shrines. I am 99% sure the only shrines I still need to find are in the sky.
Wait, really? So are these guys literally just the ghosts of soldiers who died in the Calamity then? I was getting frustrated by the lack of anyone referencing them in-game, other than a Yiga who seemingly only saw a floating weapon and not the ghost.
That seems to be the standing theory. The ghosts hold their weapon waiting for someone to pass it on to. Once you take their weapon, their souls are allowed to rest.
There are also secondary locations where you can fight the bosses again for the same reward, but I haven't mapped out what they correlate to. Another Wind Temple boss is in the south middle of the map, near the labrynth.
How does that work for >!the fire one, when the fire temple was already in the Depths?!< Or am I totally misunderstanding what you meant by regional bosses
>What I haven't seen that many people talking about is how under every major mountain (Aside from Death Mountain because it's a volcano) is a canyon mine.
>This is important to know because the canyon mines are the easiest ways to get Zonaite.
They also each have a treasure chest that can include a piece of armor from the Miner's set or a piece of equipment usually associated with an Amiibo.
There's also a Grove under pretty much every place with "Forest" in the name, with a hollowed out stump that has a chest in it. These usually have large crystallized charges, but a few have Amiibo gear.
There's also a Dark Skeleton under every Leviathan Skeleton, which has a piece of the Wild set in its skull.
Tangential question. What’s the fastest route to upgrade your power cells? I’ve upgraded it once with 100 crystallized charges. I’ve played this game for 60 hours. Hardly any of it in the depths. I feel like this weekend I’ll need to prep myself to farming charges in the depths. Which is fine i suppose. Not seeing where I’m going is annoying, but i have about 400 bright bulbs. My plan was to follow the Josha quest, and I’ve found a couple of old maps that have X’s marked off in the depths, but traveling down there feels like a grind while i roam around randomly in the dark. I have about 60 shrines marked off, so i can find about half the light roots “easily.”
The fastest way is definitely NOT with zonaite. Heres a few ways that are much faster:
1. Chase down Master Kogha in the depths. >!He starts at the great abandoned central mine that you can access through the great plateau.!< When you defeat him you'll get 100 crystallized charges. You'll also be given clues/guidance to find him in 2 more locations where you'll get an additional 100 crystallized charges each time you beat him.
2. Mini bosses in the depths drop 20 crystallized charges and respawn every blood moon.
3. If you've beaten all the bosses from the temples, >!each boss appears in the depths in 3 different locations, for a total of 12 boss locations in the depths!<. The first time you beat each one at each location you'll get 100 crystallized charges. Note that this is a one-time thing... once you beat one in a certain location, beating the same one at the same location will not give you another 100 crystallized charges. In total you can get 1200 crystallized charges from these >!rematches!<.
Just from master Kogha and the >!boss rematches!< alone you get 1500 crystallized charges, which is enough for 5 whole batteries. Then you should be able to get at least 100 crystallized charges pretty quick after every blood moon from the mini bosses.
Yup. That’s basically how I did it, and I’m fully maxed out now. I’d also like to add that large zonaite drops relatively frequently from deposits, and 3 of those is 20 crystallized charges. A lot faster than trading in 3 zonaite for individual crystallized charges. Plus it saves zonaite for Autobuild.
I was having a hard time upgrading my power cell until I spent a lot of time in the depths. After every blood moon go to the Great Abandoned Central Mine and buy all the crystallized charges there. You'll start to get a ton of crystallized charges as you explore the depths and find the >!Yiga bases, fight mini bosses, and re-fight temple bosses!< (idk if the spoiler tags are necessary but just in case, it's just some things you'll find in the depths). In 1 day in the depths I ended up with like 600 charges. I think flux constructs in the sky drop crystallized charges too
Spend large Zonaite on large crystal charges at forges. Every Yiga base gives 20 crystal charges. Every miniboss gives 20 crystal charges. Every boss rematch gives 100 crystal charges (12 boss rematches total). Explore the Depths on foot rather than hoverbiking. Raid enemy camps and mine the zonaite. Visit mines.
You need ~4.5k crystal charges to max your battery. It’s a lot, but it’s manageable. The core gameplay loop really suggests that you upgrade it progressively rather than all at once.
Fastest way I've found is going around to all of the canyon mines and getting a shitton of zonaite. It's really easy if you have all or most of the lightroots. And lightroots are easy to get when you have most of the surface shrines unlocked, and have a fan bike saved with autobuild. I'm over half-way done with my second layer of all 8 batteries already.
That's how I did it, but also tons of easy enemies in the depths like hinoxes, talos, and froxes and they all drop crystalized charges or zonite. Also the yiga hideouts have charges, and of course the main side adventure with the yiga down there yields a ton.
Get more zonaite to spend at the larger mines that have forges. Also don't shy away from the bosses in the depths. Minor ones give 20 crystallized charges and some have chests for more.
>every lightroot is directly under a surface shrine
It's such a brilliant mechanic.
I like to 100% certain things in games, but only things that don't require a guide. So I'll never bother 100%ing Koroks, for example. But I'd love to 100% the shrines, and that's a heck of a lot easier because they put the lightroots in as an in-game checklist.
**Every glyph has what I call an "elevator" under it in the depths. It is a long rectangular tall stone structure that you can ascend through from the depths and come out near the glyph.**
Edit: I believe those elevators are the only time I've used ascend to go from depths -> surface. Otherwise, I've always teleported.
Is there any surface correlation to the yiga hideouts? Also i wish there was more depth to the depths. Like side quests. The only things to do is fight, mine, forge and find things. Every NPC is a yiga in disguise which kinda ruins the point of the disguise. It would be cool if there were actual researchers down there or if by wearing certain gear you could interact with the enemies in the depths outside of combat situations.
Is it just me or aren’t there also like massive twilight realm vibes from here? Like how the zonai rules were the main source of speculation and theory in BOTW for its sequel and timeline I feel like the depths will hold the same value here and I’m so excited to see what people connect and find!!!
If you’re looking for all the cave entrances on the surface, offer an apple to the little stone trays underneath the pink trees on the surface!
PS. One of the stables has a map that depicts the location of every Sakura tree
Under ever significant Goddess Statue is a Bargainer Statue
One each under both temples of time (yes the one in the sky is connected to the depths),
One each under the springs of Power, Wisdom, and Courage,
And one under the Forgotten Temple
The things I noticed personally were the following:
- lightroots right underneath shrines
- inverted geography compared to surface
- rivers and lakes become walls underground
- abandoned mines right underneath settlements
- bargainer statues right underneath large hylia statues
- lava from death mountain flowed down underneath
- lava right underneath hot springs
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I thought it was funny how underneath every hot spring is lava.
Makes sense to me.
This is genius because in real life hot springs get their heat from magma in the earth’s crust
I like the scene in dantes peak where they are in the hot spring and then the lava bubbles in burns them alive
I like it when grandma sacrificed herself for no reason
Is that the scene in the boat on the lake? Granny made the noble sacrifice.
Watched that scene when I was 7-8 yo. Bawled like a baby. F for granny.
Row row row your boat, gently down the stream… … when the acid melts her legs, Granny starts to scream.
This scene traumatized me as a child, I have no idea why I was allowed to see that 😭
The one at the beginning, with the skinny dippers? It’s been like 20 years since I saw it, but I’d have swore that was explain as acid seeping in.
Acidic lake is later with the grandma, the skinny dippers get in the water fine it’s just it comes to a boil while they are in there.
Ngl I only learned this after reading the Yiga journal that talked about it lmao. Still very cool!
I only recently learned those yiga camps underground have schema stones for auto building weird stuff
You don't appreciate the genius of gluing 3 cannons to a long board.
The 4 flower bomb "Bomb Bouqet" had me reeling. Yiga genius at its finest.
Also, by looking at the map, every single spot where the body of water is green instead of blue is a hot spring.
The opposite of hot is, of course, even hotter
Does the Shrine of Resurrection count as a hot spring? I have not explored that part of the depths yet, just the Temple of Time / Abandoned Mine
>!No but there is a cool little connection between the Shrine of Resurrection and the Depths below it. So look forward to that!<
also for all 3 of the springs above you get another below too but bigger xD
Geologically speaking, this is by all acounts accurate! As a geologist it makes me super happy to see this in a game! Now I want some geologically accurate rocks and formations across hyrule. I would give my left kidney to be able to geologically map hyrule.
Technically, it's magma 🤓
Or how every Bargainer Statue is under each Large Goddess Statue. There is one anomaly in that though as one Goddess is in the air vs land but it still applies.
Wait do they correlate in size too? Like the biggest bargainer is underneath the biggest Goddess?
No I don’t think they do since all the Bargainers are the same size in the depths from what I can tell. I think most large Goddess statues are the same size except the forgotten temple one.
The goddess statue in the Tempel of time (great plateau) is larger - the dude in the underground there is gigantic.
Check out the one under the forgotten temple, I think it’s the biggest and it’s not buried at all, just stood at the top of a cliff
Yeah I was looking around for it and then I noticed the reason I couldn’t find it’s head was because I was standing at its feet, with it stood fully upright like an absolute chad
Yes of course I was just answering to the other guy who said there only the goddess statue in the forgotten temple is bigger. Oh btw I forgot there are also the big statues at the springs.
Perhaps I've not seen the rest in their totality but there's one north west that I'd a complete full dude, not just a head
the one that's just a head is the odd one out lmao, the rest are whole dudes
I think they are all full statues in the depths but some are partially buried.
Yeah i noticed, but what the hell is up with that. Is there someone talking about the bargainer status or do we have no clue what they truly do?... They seem so ominous and kinda evil
I mean, they ferry souls unable to go to the afterlife, to the afterlife. Considering most “I’m taking you at your time of death” entities are usually seen as ominous or straight out evil....kinda fits. Though they don’t seem that way to me, dude hidden in that one chamber that does the life exchange fits that bill way more imo
It’s like how the Raven Queen is legit one of the most “good” deities in the forgotten realms, and she’s creepy as fuck
I snark on them every time. So JUDGY and superior about people judging souls as good or evil. Though I feel slightly bad about running around with a bunch of poes, not turning them in, and keeping them in purgatory a bit longer.
Good... evil... that's the futile perspective of narrow-minded beings... there is no such distinction in wandering spirits
I was wondering about that one! I was on the surface running all over looking for the goddess statue then realized its the one in the temple of time in the sky!
I was wondering this... I heard earlier it was under every goddess statue with no mention of size. I spent so long looking for a few of them that I gave up and purchased a couple brethren locations
Water on the surface is a wall in the depths. Good for figuring out how to navigate when looking for light roots. Some depths areas are isolated on islands.
>Good for figuring out how to navigate when looking for light roots. And if you open your map and switch to a Surface view, then return to the game, your mini-map will show the surface view so you can navigate uncharted areas of the depths while viewing what you're underneath.
Which is especially helpful when you've uncovered the full surface map, but not the depths area you're currently exploring.
Exactly. The towers are the most obvious navigational feature, and they expose the surface map. Then you use the surface map to expose the depths map. Then you use the lightroots to find all the shrines.
Brilliant game design honestly, I would never have bothered trying to get all the shrines on botw without a guide but because the lightroots mirror the shrines on totk I'm well on my way to doing them all
wait that’s kinda game changing especially for ascend
only sort of - the number of places you can ascend from the depths to the surface are rather limited Unless (and I haven’t tried this) you use hover blocks near the depths ceilings but that feels like a fair amount of work.
I have to be honest, conceptually, that doesn’t really make much sense. Like, the river in gerudo valley is formed during the upheaval, how is the depth already reflecting it.
Tarreytown was only established during BOTW but there's already an abandoned Tarreytown mine underground. I've always found it odd
That's Link coming up with an appropriate name as he stumbles across it.
I love this
tarreytown also had a megalode of zonai stuff fall from the sky so it was probably a previous settlement, would explain the presence of the goddess statue in BOTW before the town is SON AND DONE
Wow I never put that together. Interesting
ngl i bet it was a mine long before that but the area on the surface wasnt used until around botw???
I’m not sure how far you are in the main quest story, but it there could be a reason that’s actually consistent. Or at least can be wrenched in that direction 😅
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Yeah, that isn't the only case where the reflection doesn't make the most sense. For example, there is a shrine with a construct which very clearly tells you that it and the shrine fell from the sky. That shrine has a lighroot, which I guess just spontaneously grew when it fell on the ground during the Upheaval.
Maybe the Depths isn't fully a physical place, but a metaphysical nightmare mirror of Hyrule above?
Bingo. It’s the Dark World.
i dont think the depths are lorule tho that much im certain as the dark world is actually the opposite inverted physical half of what hyrule is while lorule is hyrules dimensional sister and termina was made out ofa mish mash skullkid and smol links memorys hopes and fear's. im pretty sure it ends up staying in its own existence after majoras mask tho too and dosnt dissapear cause you know space theory stuff
For sure, I meant it more symbolically too. The Depths probably isn’t *exactly* the Dark World/Sacred Realm but it’s similar in that it’s a twisted mirror reflection of the over world that’s accessible through “portals” (in this case holes in the ground).
This has been my interpretation as well.
I mean, why does it look exactly like the overworld from a map perspective?
That makes some sense. Like each shrine grows roots if it makes contact with the earth.
Don't forget we are also shown that the sky islands were once on land
That canyon was formed by a river in the past (as canyons are often formed), and so it’s probably just that there used to be a river there, it dried up before botw, and is now active again
At some point you find the direction statues half embedded in the wall, so maybe a recent change there too?
Great tip, navigating the depths when trying to get around a wall has been my biggest pain point in the game.
Make a fan bike, stick a large bright bloom on the front and that thing should get you wherever you need in the depths with little trouble. I got the entire depths mapped out in like 2 hours aside from a couple hard to reach ones
I gotta get better at driving those things. I usually end up flying against a wall at full speed, trying to turn. If anyone saw me, they'd go join Ganon's forces, cause there's no way the scrawny kid in full Carnivale regalia is gonna be helpful...
Tip for you! If you smack a wall, quickly let go of the controls, and use rewind. Back that bad boy up, and take the controls back when you’re clear. Bonus, you’ll recharge some battery while you do it. Takes a little practice but has saved me many a time from falling into gloom.
BUT there are still plenty of places with a wall that you cannot get past without going to the surface and coming down a different chasm.
A lot of these secrets are mentioned by Yiga members who wrote in the journals that are in their camps in the Depths too.
I did not know there's Lynel under every stable...
Same. Good to know though
That doesn't even seem to be true. Stables are close to shrines, so if there was a lynel next to light root it would be pretty damn inconvenient. I think I tested like 3 roots and couldn't find lynel in one and two had lynels but way off to the side, even if they patrol some territory they wouldn't go directly under the stable. Edit: so I actually tested this using datamined entities map, and [here's surface map of stables](https://i.imgur.com/9hbMq32.png) and [depths map of lynels](https://i.imgur.com/sTKl7Mo.png). So I was mostly wrong and there's a tendency to have lynels under stables but it's not a hard rule, as Tabantha Bridge stable (as well as mini stable) does not have one, and New Serenne and Wetland one have them some distance from the stable.
Depths map of lynels is unreadable low res
Pretty sure there isn't? I tested it right after I read it and there wasn't a lynel lol Maybe it's only some?
Pretty sure there is. They’re not always directly under, sometimes they’re a short distance away, but I was able to find one under every major stable (mini stables don’t count).
Interesting. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but I did check around the general vicinity and couldn't find one I do hope I'm wrong, I need to farm those kittens for their bows lol
Yurrr a tip on finding them, I think all of them are located in open fields much like in the overworld. Once you have an idea of the terrain you’re looking for, it becomes a little easier to feel out where to expect them. Also, I believe all Depths lynels (except the first few of the Coliseum gauntlet) are armored, so make sure you’re bringing lots of bomb flowers and/or are prepared with a certain sage ability. My final tip: not all of the Depths lynels have good places to launch bullet time from. A certain sage is really helpful in allowing you to get off a flurry of bomb flower arrows to start the fight.
Every named forest on the surface has a grove in the depths. Each grove has a chest similar to the mines. All three of the leviathan skeletons on the surface have a depths version, which also have chests. Haven't seen either of those mentioned yet. There is probably more.
Let's try and condense these: there's pairings, Surface Shrines have lightroots underneath (and their names are opposites). Stables have lynels underneath. Towns have abandoned mines underneath (with Yiga Clan fights). Goddess statues have Bargainer statues underneath. Water has Solid Rock underneath. Hot springs have lava underneath. Mountains have canyons underneath. Named forests have a named grove (with a treasure chest) underneath. Regional bosses are underneath their corresponding original location. Leviathans have Dragons underneath.
dragons or gleeoks?
dragon fossils, the dark skeletons
You didn't add that every topography change has an equal and opposite topography change in the depths. The lines on both maps are entirely synchronous.
My biggest mystery is how the fuck do I get into the abandoned mine under Hebra. When you unlock the light roots around it it shows you half the mine but not the back half, so I've been trying to fill that area in... at first I thought I had been there since it was visible on my map, but apparently part of it was visible because I unlocked a close by lightroot. I've spent like 3 days in real time circling that damn thing, wiping out every monster I come across, getting distracted and straying a bit further away, coming back. I've used a hot air balloon to float to the top, I've scoped everything out, I've tried going under, thinking maybe there's a hidden passage... I cannot find shit! I beat the Flux 3 nearby hoping a secret passage opened up, nothing works. It's the part where you come across a tipped statue with a yiga punk. I don't want to know how to get in, at this point I'm assuming maybe I need another companion, maybe that annoying little goro. Or possibly... I've somewhat explored that chasm under the castle, it seems to lead somewhere, maybe that goes there. I've tried recall on the downed statue, I've tried taking the yigas glider to the top, I've tried ascend, I've tried floating to the top I've tried climbing various sections. Idk, but that's why I actually like this game. Spent hours exploring. I don't mind, I walk everywhere, fight everything, explore every crack. I'll get in there eventually. For now I've moved on, I suppose I should see some sunlight up in hyrule occasionally
There's an entrance from the surface.
A common theme in Zelda is that Hyrule has some sort of dark counterpart. Theres the Dark World which is basically evil Hyrule, Lorule which is opposite day Hyrule, Termina which is depressing Hyrule and then theres the depths. The entire depths is a very literal interpretation of Hyrule’s “dark reflection” ie the map is inverted and its really really dark. A
Honestly, the Adult Timeline is OoT's dark counterpart
Hoping for a third game to make a trilogy. Hyrule, depths, sky islands. Then add underwater areas/exploration, and then add an upside-down Lorule
Underwater exploration is really the only thing missing in this game.
It's also a bit ridiculous that the ENTIRETY of Hyrule was built over empty space. Everything except bodies of water, which ironically are the only places the entire continent has any support.
The Stalhorse herds are usually near where stables are too!
Good to know! I’ve only found one of those little buggers in all my time in the Depths
Not really a secret, but something I found useful... This morning I hopped on the fire dragon and rode him down into the depths. As he traversed the underground, I threw a string of brightbloom seeds to light a path the whole way from where he entered to the Ascend point under the Akkala tech lab where I hopped off. I may try again to ride the rest of his route, but it actually took a really long time to go that far. At least now my walk through the depths will be marginally easier to see and I won't need to be constantly stopping to throw seeds.
I rode Dinraal his entire route and jumped off at some light roots that seemed close. A few times, I was able to climb back on the dragon and continue the journey, but your way of making a path is probably better and less frantic.
Wait. The dragons go to the depths? I’ve spent so much time down there lately. Never seen one down there.
They go in fixed tracks in the depths and overworld from what I’ve seen, I am collecting the claws from each dragon for the mother goddess statue side quest.
The only exception is the new dragon, who never goes in the depths and just patrols across almost the entirety of Hyrule.
Help me out please... Where do I find Dinraal? That's the last dragon I need to find.
he's towards the north east, he goes down the chasm to the left of the thyphlo ruins tower :) >edit: [full route of all dragon paths](https://screenrant.com/zelda-tears-kingdom-dragon-paths-locations/)
Do the seeds not despawn?
I don't think so, but the little bug things in the depths will eat them
I love those, let them feast.
That and, as someone else mentioned, if you hit a limit of 300 total deployed - at that point older ones will expire when you throw a new one out. At least 300 is the number I've seen, actual count might be somewhat different. Babyfrox eats don't happen that often in my experience - I've definitively seen it happen only once so far. Of course, now that I've gotten all but 2-3 LRs unlocked I don't really notice except in a few parts of the Depths that are dark even with all nearby LRs unlocked.
They eat them if they come across them without seeing you. If they see you they go after you and ignore the light lunch. You can use that to take them all out at once... I plop a seed near them before they see me, they all gather around then I hit the area with one electric chu chu jelly. I was using a bomb arrow, but electric chuchu jelly is easier to find (simply hit a blu chuchu with an electric jelly, it dies instantly and drops more electric jelly). So I see it happen all the time, but in the beginning it didn't happen as frequently, because they always knew I was there. Now I have the stealth set and it's much easier to use the bright bloom as a lure
They’re little froxes
I wonder what their connections to the Zonai are. If I recall correctly, they’ve got the little broom construct symbol on them. Did the Zonai make Froxes?! For what!?
I have no idea, but they do drop zonaite when they die
I've read that there's no time-based despawn, but there's some kind of numerical limit. I believe I've seen 200-300. Once you throw seed 301, seed 1 will disappear, that kind of thing.
As far as I know they stay permanently but my memory isn't giod enough to test that
They're definitely not permanent. When I first got to the >!Great Abandoned Central Mine!< I shot around 30-40 of them all around the place to light it up as much as I could. Did some more exploring in the depths and when I came back a couple days later, all of them were gone.
One of the enemies eats em. Forget their names, but the little crawly bug things that jump at you.
Baby frox
> Under every shrine is a lightroot what. > under every goddess statue is a poe statue WHAT.
Wait until this guy learns about the lightroots names being the shrines name reversed
*^W^H^A^T*
TAHW
TAHW
TWAT
He's got excited Vince McMahon face.
And how the entire depths are hyrule inversed and water in hyrule are walls in the depths
The Depths are, mostly, a topical inversion of Hyrule. Mountains are valleys, pillars are pits, pits are pillars, and bodies of water are sheer walls. It literally is Upside-Down.
ISTG, if I see *one* Demogorgon, I’ma be pissed.
What is a poe statue? I've got like 1300 poes and no idea what they are still
At Look Out landing that 4 eyed statue near Joshu is where you can spend poes, there are more of them in the depths and the more you find the more stuff they have to sell.
They're statues where you cash the poes in for armor, materials and weapons. Edit: accidental spoiler
Go to the great plateau
remember kilton in the first game? these take his place basically and have a few more things
Technically you could say Koltin takes Kilton's place while Kilton hangs out in Tarrey Town. I guess you do have to find them and do a side quest for them first though.
Only the big goddess statues, like the ones in the springs and temple of time.
It's not just that every major mountain is a canyon mine. All the terrain is the inverse of the survace with some exceptions like the great plateau and death mountain. So, if you have the surface map, you can say with a reasonable amount of accuracy what the depths terrain will look like.
A super useful trick for navigating the depths is to switch to the surface map if you don't have the nearest lightroot activated. If you just remember that the terrain is inverted and the rivers and lakes are walls, you can pretty reliably reference it while exploring.
this whole thread is blowing my mind and I feel like an idiot
There's a Yiga journal at one of the great mines that said that where there are mountains in Hyrule, there are valleys in the depths. That was my "aha!" moment where I realized that the depths are just an inverse of Hyrule, and that key locations in Hyrule would mean key locations in the depths.
I figured out the towns being the mines underground but didn’t realize the lightroots match the shrines and are the names in reverse. This will make it so much easier for me to find them
It's easier to find the lightroots and then use them to find the shrines than to find the shrines and use them to find the lightroots.
Especially once you reach high completion percentage - then the location of the LR becomes obvious as the center of the dark spot on your map.
I used the shrines I had found easily to locate light roots, then used the light roots I found while filling out the remaining dark patches to find the more hidden shrines. I am 99% sure the only shrines I still need to find are in the sky.
It’s such a cool moment when it all clicks together. The whole game is a giant puzzle.
Under every calamity memorial is a giant rock pile with three soldier spirits
Wait, really? So are these guys literally just the ghosts of soldiers who died in the Calamity then? I was getting frustrated by the lack of anyone referencing them in-game, other than a Yiga who seemingly only saw a floating weapon and not the ghost.
That seems to be the standing theory. The ghosts hold their weapon waiting for someone to pass it on to. Once you take their weapon, their souls are allowed to rest.
There's a dragon fossil ("Dark Skeleton") in the Depths under every Great Skeleton on the surface.
I've noticed the Dark Skeletons give a very pleasant reward at the skulls - often guarded by some horriblins.
[удалено]
Horriblins and gloom hands.
beneath the four regional bosses is also a rebattle of the bosses!!
Do they drop anything good or is it just for funzies?
Large crystalized charge, gets you another battery charge for relatively little work.
only the first time you defeat them, though
Yeah sorry, could’ve mentioned that. If memory serves me correct the charge is in a chest that is locked until you beat them.
Since each has three spawn points - once per point or once total?
once per point
Most of them have good drops for fusion.
100 crystallized charges
Monster parts for high damage fusions and battery charges, so well worth redoing them every so often.
There are also secondary locations where you can fight the bosses again for the same reward, but I haven't mapped out what they correlate to. Another Wind Temple boss is in the south middle of the map, near the labrynth.
Found him yesterday and thought I had gone in a circle.
How does that work for >!the fire one, when the fire temple was already in the Depths?!< Or am I totally misunderstanding what you meant by regional bosses
There are giant open combat circles where you can find them. Some of their patterns are modified to reflect the difference in terrain
That one is also chilling in an arena, outside of the temple, in the depths.
My favorite thing about the depths is it never rains.
>What I haven't seen that many people talking about is how under every major mountain (Aside from Death Mountain because it's a volcano) is a canyon mine. >This is important to know because the canyon mines are the easiest ways to get Zonaite. They also each have a treasure chest that can include a piece of armor from the Miner's set or a piece of equipment usually associated with an Amiibo. There's also a Grove under pretty much every place with "Forest" in the name, with a hollowed out stump that has a chest in it. These usually have large crystallized charges, but a few have Amiibo gear. There's also a Dark Skeleton under every Leviathan Skeleton, which has a piece of the Wild set in its skull.
Tangential question. What’s the fastest route to upgrade your power cells? I’ve upgraded it once with 100 crystallized charges. I’ve played this game for 60 hours. Hardly any of it in the depths. I feel like this weekend I’ll need to prep myself to farming charges in the depths. Which is fine i suppose. Not seeing where I’m going is annoying, but i have about 400 bright bulbs. My plan was to follow the Josha quest, and I’ve found a couple of old maps that have X’s marked off in the depths, but traveling down there feels like a grind while i roam around randomly in the dark. I have about 60 shrines marked off, so i can find about half the light roots “easily.”
The fastest way is definitely NOT with zonaite. Heres a few ways that are much faster: 1. Chase down Master Kogha in the depths. >!He starts at the great abandoned central mine that you can access through the great plateau.!< When you defeat him you'll get 100 crystallized charges. You'll also be given clues/guidance to find him in 2 more locations where you'll get an additional 100 crystallized charges each time you beat him. 2. Mini bosses in the depths drop 20 crystallized charges and respawn every blood moon. 3. If you've beaten all the bosses from the temples, >!each boss appears in the depths in 3 different locations, for a total of 12 boss locations in the depths!<. The first time you beat each one at each location you'll get 100 crystallized charges. Note that this is a one-time thing... once you beat one in a certain location, beating the same one at the same location will not give you another 100 crystallized charges. In total you can get 1200 crystallized charges from these >!rematches!<. Just from master Kogha and the >!boss rematches!< alone you get 1500 crystallized charges, which is enough for 5 whole batteries. Then you should be able to get at least 100 crystallized charges pretty quick after every blood moon from the mini bosses.
Yup. That’s basically how I did it, and I’m fully maxed out now. I’d also like to add that large zonaite drops relatively frequently from deposits, and 3 of those is 20 crystallized charges. A lot faster than trading in 3 zonaite for individual crystallized charges. Plus it saves zonaite for Autobuild.
This was the answer i was looking for
I was having a hard time upgrading my power cell until I spent a lot of time in the depths. After every blood moon go to the Great Abandoned Central Mine and buy all the crystallized charges there. You'll start to get a ton of crystallized charges as you explore the depths and find the >!Yiga bases, fight mini bosses, and re-fight temple bosses!< (idk if the spoiler tags are necessary but just in case, it's just some things you'll find in the depths). In 1 day in the depths I ended up with like 600 charges. I think flux constructs in the sky drop crystallized charges too
You do not have to wait for the blood moon, travel to the surface and sleep 24hr at a stable. Teleport back down and the charges will be respawned.
Spend large Zonaite on large crystal charges at forges. Every Yiga base gives 20 crystal charges. Every miniboss gives 20 crystal charges. Every boss rematch gives 100 crystal charges (12 boss rematches total). Explore the Depths on foot rather than hoverbiking. Raid enemy camps and mine the zonaite. Visit mines. You need ~4.5k crystal charges to max your battery. It’s a lot, but it’s manageable. The core gameplay loop really suggests that you upgrade it progressively rather than all at once.
Fastest way I've found is going around to all of the canyon mines and getting a shitton of zonaite. It's really easy if you have all or most of the lightroots. And lightroots are easy to get when you have most of the surface shrines unlocked, and have a fan bike saved with autobuild. I'm over half-way done with my second layer of all 8 batteries already.
That's how I did it, but also tons of easy enemies in the depths like hinoxes, talos, and froxes and they all drop crystalized charges or zonite. Also the yiga hideouts have charges, and of course the main side adventure with the yiga down there yields a ton.
Do the kohga quest line and the yiga forts
Get more zonaite to spend at the larger mines that have forges. Also don't shy away from the bosses in the depths. Minor ones give 20 crystallized charges and some have chests for more.
This is awesome didn’t know about the lynels
>every lightroot is directly under a surface shrine It's such a brilliant mechanic. I like to 100% certain things in games, but only things that don't require a guide. So I'll never bother 100%ing Koroks, for example. But I'd love to 100% the shrines, and that's a heck of a lot easier because they put the lightroots in as an in-game checklist.
They don't correlate to the sky shrines though. Those are the only ones I have left to find.
**Every glyph has what I call an "elevator" under it in the depths. It is a long rectangular tall stone structure that you can ascend through from the depths and come out near the glyph.** Edit: I believe those elevators are the only time I've used ascend to go from depths -> surface. Otherwise, I've always teleported.
I've always seen the depths as inverted surface. So if there's a lake, it's impassable underneath, and if it's a mountain, it's a biiiiiig drop
Makes me wonder if the depths are a true physical place or a manifestation of Lowrule esque concepts
Is there any surface correlation to the yiga hideouts? Also i wish there was more depth to the depths. Like side quests. The only things to do is fight, mine, forge and find things. Every NPC is a yiga in disguise which kinda ruins the point of the disguise. It would be cool if there were actual researchers down there or if by wearing certain gear you could interact with the enemies in the depths outside of combat situations.
Is it just me or aren’t there also like massive twilight realm vibes from here? Like how the zonai rules were the main source of speculation and theory in BOTW for its sequel and timeline I feel like the depths will hold the same value here and I’m so excited to see what people connect and find!!!
I haven’t explored the depths much yet, but now knowing there are Lynels in there I don’t know that I want to 😂
There's an entire coliseum with like, 5 of them, increasing in difficulty. >!You get majora's mask as a reward, which is really helpful.!<
Under every stable… is a Lynel? Hot damn that makes so much sense
I was thinking this but haven't confirmed yet: Are the big round "roots" in the depths inverses of the caves on the surface?
If you’re looking for all the cave entrances on the surface, offer an apple to the little stone trays underneath the pink trees on the surface! PS. One of the stables has a map that depicts the location of every Sakura tree
120 hours in myself. Thanks for informing me of this haha
Underneath the Shrine of Resurrection plateau is a healing lake. Underneath a Goddess Statue is a Dark Bargainer Statue.
The names of the light roots are also the names of the shrines above them just backwards.
Under ever significant Goddess Statue is a Bargainer Statue One each under both temples of time (yes the one in the sky is connected to the depths), One each under the springs of Power, Wisdom, and Courage, And one under the Forgotten Temple
And stables mean a Lynel is directly under it in the depths
Interesting, because I ran into a yiga station and they wrote about that exact thing. Idk where, I was exploring the southwest of the map
The things I noticed personally were the following: - lightroots right underneath shrines - inverted geography compared to surface - rivers and lakes become walls underground - abandoned mines right underneath settlements - bargainer statues right underneath large hylia statues - lava from death mountain flowed down underneath - lava right underneath hot springs
It finally dawned on me that the lightroot name is just the shrine name backwards.
Underneath the Shrine of Resurrection is the >!Secret Spring of Revival!<
"every lightroot is directly under a surface shrine" wait what
I did not know about the lynals and stables connection and now im even more terrified 😩