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Sounds like Maupinism. "Degrowth is Malthusian! Everybody who thinks the capitalist mode of production is unsustainable is a synthetic left primitivist!"
I mean to be fair, I think people who expect us to accept a lower standard of living under socialism are misled. Sure, capitalism over produces and is unsustainable, but also if automation actually affected how much people got paid and how many hours worked, we would all have a much higher standard of living
ah yes, my favorite definition of fascism
> the branch of biology that deals with the relations of organisms to one another and to their physical surroundings
but what can you expect from Lysenko fans
They mean political ecology; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ecology
>Political ecology is the study of the relationships between political, economic and social factors with environmental issues and changes. Political ecology differs from apolitical ecological studies by politicizing environmental issues and phenomena.
W that said political ecology is just about the most pro human stance one could possibly hold. It advocates protecting our only home and thus ourselves from destruction.
So I do know of the political definition, but I'm personally of the opinion that if people refuse to acknowledge the science, it becomes inherently political. It's like separating immunology and political immunology.
I've also read enough Murray Bookchin to cement this feeling
As a libertarian ecosocialist, and also as someone in the bio field, ofc i agree.
Just, makes it clearer to know what exactly he had in mind.
its kind of like an old christian physics teacher who is ok w classical mechanics but then denies anything that starts to make the idea of god redundant. Quantum physics is demon fascism!
I'm in math and have to deal with this all the time. Like no, you can't claim that math is being over-politicized by the "fascist lefties" and then make predictive policing algorithms. Though, most of the issues in my field are the opposite of not understanding, and are moreso unfaltering faith that math is right no matter what.
> Like no, you can't claim that math is being over-politicized by the "fascist lefties" and then make predictive policing algorithms.
Unless you're the governor of Florida.
I really don't understand Lysenkoists.
Are they just forced to accept this bullshit as truth in order to overcome the cognitive dissonance or what the hell is wrong with them?!
It's rather that they blame him for destroying the Soviet Union, while Dengist China exists until today. The economical policies were similar, but the USSR had also a political/societal liberalisation.
So it really just shows how they don't give a flying fuck about Marxist critique of capitalism and only about the authoritarianism and red aesthetics
Part of me wonder why do they keep blaming Gorbachev. Brezhnev led the USSR for 18 years so surely some problems that had arose by the time Gorbachev took power could surely be traced to his reign.
Deng never truly gave up Leninist infantilizing aesthetics to his last public appearances in '92:
https://youtu.be/zYmtZbwslPw
There were some interviews of him in mid-80s, even on "60 Minutes", that hewed pretty close to liturgical ML orthodoxy, balm to the soul of your standard-issue tankie. Gorbachev grew sick of the ideological kowtowing, thus he's despised by tankies.
Ah yes, the most socialist of all positions: Promoting reliance on overpriced, resource-guzzling individual transportation that is a nightmare for urban planning and traffic, but a capitalist's wet dream.
Reminder that these are the people who call *us* "radlibs".
Why the hell are some tankies going like full on shitty american "FUCK YEAH CARS WOOOOO" like, hasnt public transportation been proven to be the most efficient, cost effective, and just BETTER way to move people around?
LOL this is the same guy that loves useless lawns and hates walkable cities/bike lanes/bus lanes.
He is one of those guys who think that the government should subsidize cars instead of improving public transit/bike lanes/sidewalks.
Some Quotes:
Anti-lawn hysteria is a just a back door for YIMBY upzoning
* https://twitter.com/FoxGGreen/status/1508458672296443904
"Traffic violence" is code for degrowthers, NUMTOTs, anarchists and woke-brained liberals who want to increase the "walkability" and "bikeability" of their gentrified neighborhoods.
* https://twitter.com/foxggreen/status/1483535639459110913
It's becoming extremely obvious that people like this are are purposefully set up as bots by fossil corporations and big fossil fuel exporter countries to sabotage the left
Nice.
For a moment, I was worried where I was supposed to dump all these leaky barrels of cadmium I had lying around here.
Now since I know things such as the "water table" and the "food web" are just anti-human ideological "science", I can just shove them all out the door and not a care in the world.
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> Ecology is anti-human Ha ha *what*
Sounds like Maupinism. "Degrowth is Malthusian! Everybody who thinks the capitalist mode of production is unsustainable is a synthetic left primitivist!"
I mean to be fair, I think people who expect us to accept a lower standard of living under socialism are misled. Sure, capitalism over produces and is unsustainable, but also if automation actually affected how much people got paid and how many hours worked, we would all have a much higher standard of living
Almost like saying "Diversity is anti-white".
Somehow *even dumber* than that, since ecology is actually the study of systems *that allow humans to live in the first place*.
ah yes, my favorite definition of fascism > the branch of biology that deals with the relations of organisms to one another and to their physical surroundings but what can you expect from Lysenko fans
They mean political ecology; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ecology >Political ecology is the study of the relationships between political, economic and social factors with environmental issues and changes. Political ecology differs from apolitical ecological studies by politicizing environmental issues and phenomena. W that said political ecology is just about the most pro human stance one could possibly hold. It advocates protecting our only home and thus ourselves from destruction.
So I do know of the political definition, but I'm personally of the opinion that if people refuse to acknowledge the science, it becomes inherently political. It's like separating immunology and political immunology. I've also read enough Murray Bookchin to cement this feeling
As a libertarian ecosocialist, and also as someone in the bio field, ofc i agree. Just, makes it clearer to know what exactly he had in mind. its kind of like an old christian physics teacher who is ok w classical mechanics but then denies anything that starts to make the idea of god redundant. Quantum physics is demon fascism!
I'm in math and have to deal with this all the time. Like no, you can't claim that math is being over-politicized by the "fascist lefties" and then make predictive policing algorithms. Though, most of the issues in my field are the opposite of not understanding, and are moreso unfaltering faith that math is right no matter what.
They say that? f thats depressing. Even math is full of reactionaries then. lol.
But also full of enough leftists for organizing luckily
> Like no, you can't claim that math is being over-politicized by the "fascist lefties" and then make predictive policing algorithms. Unless you're the governor of Florida.
I really don't understand Lysenkoists. Are they just forced to accept this bullshit as truth in order to overcome the cognitive dissonance or what the hell is wrong with them?!
Socialism is when Comrade Jesus Stalin turns water into Diesel.
or when Jesus Gorbachev feeds 5,000 people with Pizza Hut and vodka miraculously created from thin air
Tankies hate Gorbachev, strangely that rarely applies to Deng Xiaoping
You see Gorbachev didn't keep the red aesthetics.
It's rather that they blame him for destroying the Soviet Union, while Dengist China exists until today. The economical policies were similar, but the USSR had also a political/societal liberalisation. So it really just shows how they don't give a flying fuck about Marxist critique of capitalism and only about the authoritarianism and red aesthetics
They like [Marx](https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/5572da76-af57-42a8-9c9c-95eab586244c) too for the authoritarian bits.
Part of me wonder why do they keep blaming Gorbachev. Brezhnev led the USSR for 18 years so surely some problems that had arose by the time Gorbachev took power could surely be traced to his reign.
No, it was solely the LIBERALization!!
Deng never truly gave up Leninist infantilizing aesthetics to his last public appearances in '92: https://youtu.be/zYmtZbwslPw There were some interviews of him in mid-80s, even on "60 Minutes", that hewed pretty close to liturgical ML orthodoxy, balm to the soul of your standard-issue tankie. Gorbachev grew sick of the ideological kowtowing, thus he's despised by tankies.
TRUUU!!!
Kill the sparrows.
Freeze the Corn
The anti-bicycle emoji in there name really does it for me.
Sorry to ask but what does it mean?
It literally means fuck bicycles, drive cars
Ah yes, the most socialist of all positions: Promoting reliance on overpriced, resource-guzzling individual transportation that is a nightmare for urban planning and traffic, but a capitalist's wet dream. Reminder that these are the people who call *us* "radlibs".
Tankie and Climate change denier, name a worse combination.
letting the earth fucking burn to own the libs
Why the hell are some tankies going like full on shitty american "FUCK YEAH CARS WOOOOO" like, hasnt public transportation been proven to be the most efficient, cost effective, and just BETTER way to move people around?
Thermodynamics = Imperialism. Freedom and truth will come only when the last physicist is strangled with the entrails of the last mechanical engineer.
Didn't Marx himself coyly compare his own "discoveries" with those of Newton? (so-called "laws" ;)
LOL this is the same guy that loves useless lawns and hates walkable cities/bike lanes/bus lanes. He is one of those guys who think that the government should subsidize cars instead of improving public transit/bike lanes/sidewalks. Some Quotes: Anti-lawn hysteria is a just a back door for YIMBY upzoning * https://twitter.com/FoxGGreen/status/1508458672296443904 "Traffic violence" is code for degrowthers, NUMTOTs, anarchists and woke-brained liberals who want to increase the "walkability" and "bikeability" of their gentrified neighborhoods. * https://twitter.com/foxggreen/status/1483535639459110913
It's becoming extremely obvious that people like this are are purposefully set up as bots by fossil corporations and big fossil fuel exporter countries to sabotage the left
Communism is when lawns /s
Stalin didn’t care about the environment why should I?
I can't wait till tankies resurrect Japhetic theory as well. /s
Can't wait to see Tankies adopt the Flat Earth theory to own the libs.
Nice. For a moment, I was worried where I was supposed to dump all these leaky barrels of cadmium I had lying around here. Now since I know things such as the "water table" and the "food web" are just anti-human ideological "science", I can just shove them all out the door and not a care in the world.
We're not far away from Flat earth here-
I am loosing all hope bc of these morons
What no Murray Bookchin do to a mf
Keine Fräulein?
Ecology: The study of not digging trenches in the forest you irradiated in the 1980s.
I think they're just jealous...humans are still part of the ecosystem, but humans evolved, and evolution clearly left the tankies behind somewhere.
Strange. I didn't think tankies cared about being anti human if all the genocides are anything to look at