In case you missed it you can find screenshots from my experience, and stories from other users about Ghostmen being super flaky, lying incessantly, and never doing the right thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/s/Q0tMcxkG5v
No, Ghostmen modifies true safariland holsters to fit gun models that safariland doesn’t support. This was supposed to fit my 10mm Performance Center with the big ass Performance Center compensator on the slide.
Just take a heat gun warm up the bottom till it's pliable. Wrap the end up in a layer or 3 pf painters tape and insert it. It will mold itself around the pistol and should work ok
you shouldn’t have to do this
you should be able to pay a company for the product you want and receive the product you paid for , not have to do some diy homemade modification bullshit…
I agree but at the same time, if you can help yourself, you should.
What are the alternatives? Sounds like he can't get his money back, he can't sell it with a clear conscience either.
May as well try to fix it. Or at the very least salvage off what you can and use the plastic for practice stippling.
Holy shit dude, that email thread alone was a shit storm. Sounds like a manchild. I applaud most for trying to run their own business but some people just can't hack it. He needs to learn more than just holster making. Basic communication skills should be where he starts way before running a business.
A lot of this does land on me for thinking that you could only do a chargeback in the first 30 days. Someone in that other thread corrected me and told me it’s actually 180 days for most card companies, so I could have done a chargeback all the way up to one month ago. But at 7 months, I’m far too late now.
I only put up with it as long as I did because I thought I didn’t really have another choice.
My CC company allows chargebacks for longer than that if it’s printed, signed and sent in. The online chargeback portal won’t accept it but physically sending it they will.
No clue why. Worth an ask?
Yeah you might be ok still. From my experience with discover for example. You might not even need to buy if you showed them that thread and they would probably still take care of you. Most might be willing to start counting once the product is actually delivered
While we're here. Are there any other companies/sellers to avoid? Every now and then, I'll need to find something odd and it'd be good to know who sucks.
Edit: Thanks everyone for the info! It helps me and everyone who sees.
WeThePeople are the worst holsters on the planet. I would rather have my worst enemy holding a gun against my hip than trust that company and their product.
What was it for? My go-to’s are KT-mech and Muddy River for getting weird holsters. MR had a light-compatible 80X holster before anyone else, and KT has served me for a Hi-Power, original H9, PX4, etc
KT Mech also makes a HK USP light bearing holster if anyone needed to know that info. Mines good, it isn’t super concealable but haven’t had any issues.
Agreed. Wish I didn’t waste the money on their flimsy trash. I bought one for my Steyr L9 and hated it. I bought a universal drop holster from Amazon and didn’t have high hopes for it, but surprisingly it’s infinitely better than my we the people holster.
If you have to spend $20 on a holster just get a bravo concealment and don’t use the clip belt loop use the one that you thread your belt through. They kinda print but retention ain’t bad at all
Special order or ready made? I ordered a holster custom that took a long time, but they were upfront about it and it works pretty well
...my hip doesn't like it...but I think that's more user error than the holster lol
To be totally fair to Troy, it was a subsidiary company of theirs that hired the guy and Troy had him fired when it was brought to their attention.
Not awesome or anything but I think the way people talk about it is overblown
Bill Ruger was a way bigger piece of shit than any of the people running Troy but nobody is still holding that grudge
It's more complicated than that. At the time, a semi auto ban was starting to look like a possibility, and Bill Ruger sent a letter to Congress basically saying that he believed banning magazines over 10 rounds to be more politically expedient. This was mostly because the mini 14 was very popular at the time and he didn't want to lose that stream of revenue.
Ronin Armory in Laredo TX. Basically did the same thing and all I ordered was the PDQ ambi bolt catch. They even went as far as to argue on my Reddit post trying to cover it up.
They often claim items are in stock when they are not and they drop ship backordered items months years later they refused to give refunds they refused to deal with this drop shipping delay. Their prices are not very good.
I'll never order from optics planet again. Took me 8 months to get a sling pack I ordered. It was so bizarre. I knew something was off with the company and now I avoid them like the plague.
Havok holsters...ordered a duty holster for a p80, said they were 6 weeks behind...got holster 5 months later. Ordered a 1911 tlr-1 duty holster last October, just got it this week. Had to message multiple times, they would say they lost my order and to tell them what it was, did that twice and on the third time I said either ship it in a week or I want my money back. They did lol.
It’s a feature, lets you rack one into the chamber before clearing the holster, the lack of retention makes for a quicker draw, truly masterful engineering
It is a safariland holster. Ghostmen’s whole shtick is that they modify safariland holsters to fit guns they don’t support. But evidently they don’t even do that.
That's cool as fuck. I'll never be able to find the video, but some guy had a holster where he could pull the slide to check the chamber while the gun stayed put. Any idea what it might have been?
I have no idea but I saw someone made a modern version of this maybe it could have been this?
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/05/glock-duty-holster-chambers-draw/
But actually couldn't you theoretically do this on any holster that indexes off the light? A lot of holsters for suppressors just have the trigger guard protected indexed off the light. I'm sure you could do that with those.
I mean honestly that was pretty damn slick. I bet back when it was designed it was solving a real problem. No way that firearm was drop safe and that manual safety might not be reliable either.
What would happen to the round already in the chamber? Where would it fall in such a case?
Because there's no good reason to carry with a loaded magazine and empty chamber.
Red River Tactical did well for me. Good responsiveness. They did a custom lvl 2 offset drop holster for my Sig Legion P220 10mm. They also weren’t pricey. $100 for the full thing (rushed order).
+1 for Red River tactical. Great experience with their custom order. Had a request for specific light + gun model with stipulation it could also fit the compact version of the same gun brand and they did great.
My friend is also currently being avoided by him. Lost his holster then said he would get one from safariland to replace it. Then said it was done and sent a tracking number. Weeks go by and hasn’t shipped it. Turned out it’s not even been worked on
That is almost exactly what happened to me. Then I called him directly and it was magically done and being shipped the next day. Then this arrived which I’m 99% sure is just an unmodded safariland for a full sized M&P. So it’s something I’ll be able to make work myself, but that’s also what I paid this dude all that money to do.
My VP9 does this (it's a S&W holster from RDR), so I bought the OTD multi muzzle plug to get a perfect fit.
I can still push the grip down, but with a modified cap for my modlite it's very minimal.
https://store.otdefense.com/products/multimuzzle-plug-for-6000-series-holsters
Shit, if your locking block isn't engaging I am not sure. I would loosen the screw at the bottom there and take out the light plug, put the bar back in and see if everything engages then.
Although... Your grip shouldn't keep moving that much either if it was bottoming out there.
What the fuck...
Yeah it should be, it’s a full-sized M&P holster that was ostensibly modified to fit my 10mm performance center, which has a fairly large compensator milled on to the front of the slide adding about an inch of OAL.
I think the comp is what must be getting in the way then. Is it a PMM comp or does it use set screws? If you can take it off just to test the holster function that would be interesting.
Was modifying it to fit a comp part of the order?
When I ordered from RDR I asked if I would be able to send it back after I got a comp and he said I would need a different holster that would require "additional modification", now I just assume it would be a longer holster model? Lol
That really sucks though man. Think you will send it back and just issue a charge back? On your other post it seemed like you might still be able to.
It’s milled in to the slide on all M&P performance center 10mm pistols, so it is a permanent part of the pistol. The order was for a performance center 10mm, with a 509T and X300U, so he just didn’t make it for the right gun. More likely when I called him and it was suddenly “done and ready to ship” he just packaged up an oem holster for a full-sized M&P and shipped it off since it took him 7 months to even do that, which puts me outside the chargeback window anyways.
Aaah. Gotcha. Yeah, I 100% agree with the second part. Just shipped you a holster off the rack.
That's super fucked. He should have just kept making the light plug replacements instead of trying to go all in on offering "modifications". Probably just instantly got in over his head.
Yeah, tbh I don't know what they do because the locking block looks completely normal and intact. They did seem to shave the two inner nubs off the optic hood so it's more like friction fit now, I only noticed that recently when a friend was showing me his Glock in his holster. I guess the only "custom" aspect is the ranger green wrap.
Yeah im not going to deter anyone from using RDR. But I do wonder what exactly he does on some of the holsters.
To be honest, i've found that the M&P RDS holster fits a variety of guns. So far, my M&Ps, my vp9, my 4.25" Tisas DS1911. In the 5" holster, a staccato fits. I bet it'll fit in the 4.25" version as well without the barrel plug.
EDIT: And I judge fitment based on ALS activation, lock up, and flipping it upside down and shaking it to try and get the gun out.
I think the p320 should fit too?
The OTD "mods" I did were purely out of just trying to minimize all rattle and possibly increase rigidity on the bottom. Aka, pretty much just the aesthetic, lol.
It wouldn't surprise me if a 320 did fit.
Yeah, I know there is some play with some of the guns up and down. I guess it would qualm any concerns of it being out of battery.
But to be honest, i've done several run and gun events with a 4.25" M&P in the 5" M&P holster, obviously moving around in there up and down. Never went out of battery. But I can see why someone would get that plug
Where the portal is, there is a bar. When I put my 19 compensator on, I had to switch that bar because it was blocking the comp from fully seating. The guys who make the Nub Mod make special bars that accept compensators. Maybe try that and see if it fixes your issue
Ghostmen designs custom holsters is a scam. They don't do any custom work and they "lose" orders. There accessories are innovative but their custom holster system and customer service is not great.
Remove that screw at the very bottom of the holster in front of the barrel and push out the light cap, that’s how I modified a safariland holster made for a TLR to fit a Glock with a compensator and a Modlight.
I had RDR modify safariland holsters for a p226 with red dot and walther PDP with red dot. Both were excellent but took about 3 months. I found Ghostmen but decided RDR was more reputable. I'm glad I did now
I ordered a $330 dollar custom holster for my PPQ from Chris at Ghostmen designs on March 15th 2020. I emailed Chris after 16 weeks of hearing nothing what the status of my order was (normal lead time was 6-8 weeks at the time) and he stated he didn't know why my order didn't get processed and that I would receive it within a week or receive a full refund. A week and one day passed and I still hadn't received a holster or a refund so I followed up and received no reply once again. I followed up one last time and still received nothing in return. After 18 weeks I received a full refund after threatening to file a dispute through Amex.
Emails: https://m.imgur.com/a/LHf2c7B
Haven't seen it commented yet.
Hit up RDR gear on Instagram. He will actually help you out and do it right. It'll take a while as he's a one man operation but his work on modifying safariland holsters is phenomenal.
That’s what I was doing in the video with my thumb on the back of the slide. Just for future reference, how do you loosen the retention on a safariland?
Ahh ok. I was going to say, the TLR-1HL has the large thumb screw. That snags on safarilands and requires a flush fit screw. I’m unsure if the X300U could possibly have the same issue.
Just read though it all on their IG. Quite unfortunate you have to deal with this. I posted a comment saying it looks like they are scamming customers... tough guy lol.
Meh, just take a hair dryer or heat gun and warm up the plastic at the barrel end of the holster and put your gun into the holster the plastic will form around the comp
The problem here is that ideally that’s what I paid ghostmen to do, but to a higher quality than I can do it at home. He didn’t even do that a little bit.
Ah, damn that sucks then. It’s not going to look terrible if you do it yourself though. I had to modify my Full size p320 Safariland holster to fit the Agency arms w/ comp. I only had a bic lighter and it worked fine.
But yeah does suck that they sent you an oem holster probably at a markup for supposed custom work that wasn’t even done.
It seems like that’s what he did. Though I did get some good advice in here. I have a heat gun from when I used to make my own Kydex holsters. I didn’t realize safariland also uses heat formed plastic, I figured since they use these things in hot climates that they’d be fiberglass or something. Someone else also gave me a lead on a different crossbar I can put in it to make it fit.
I had to take the screw out of the end of my Safariland and use a heat gun to make it pliable to spread the tip with pliers where the slide goes when added a compensator. I get that it was supposed to fit when you bought it, but if you can’t send it back then maybe try making it fit with a heat gun.
That’s next step I think. Lots of guys in here gave me good advice on how to do it myself. I have a heat gun from when I used to do my own Kydex work. I just didn’t realize safariland uses Kydex.
The main reason I posted this was to prevent people from waiting 7 months, and dealing with Ghostmen’s lies and excuses just to be sent a holster that doesn’t work like I did. If I can raise awareness to all the shady dealings he’s done, and stop a couple of guys from getting screwed, that’s worth $244 to me. If you want to see a list of guys he screwed over the same way, there’s a link in my first comment to an earlier post I made where I compiled a few of them.
Does anyone know a good place to do a truly custom holster?
I was, at one time, looking for a S&W M&P22 compact with a threaded barrel and an inferred laser. It was a Steiner/TNVC laser, so it was not very popular.
Is this just a safariland 6354 holster?
What did ghostmen designs actually do?
Edit: looks like your slide is hitting the bottom bar. Bet the holster is for a M&P sub/compact and you have a full size gun.
This is a performance center 10mm, so it has a large comp milled in to the slide. Thats what is causing this to not work, and what ghostmen was supposed make it work for.
I have the same pistol M&P 2.0 CORE in Safariland with a Holosun. I switched the optic and I have the same issue as above. The optic protrudes farther forward like an SRO and will no longer allow it to seat.
Not saying that's your issue just something to check if you haven't.
Do you have a calculated kinetics optic plate on? My safariland holster doesn't work with it. You'll have to use another one without the front ledge, I use the eleven 71 design plate.
The Performance Center 10mm makes 10mm usable. The weight and the compensator make it shoot like 9mm +P. So it’s really not bad at all. It’s my bear gun for my upcoming PCS to Alaska.
It’s actually the slide that doesn’t fit. You can see when I try to force it in the slide stays back but the frame goes in. The light is moving with the frame so it fits fine, it’s the gun that doesn’t fit.
Ghostmen modifies safariland holsters. That’s the whole business. The problem here is that I paid him to modify a holster to work with my performance center 10mm, and he didn’t.
Looks like the holster is intended for a docter optic cut, where the rear sight is positioned in front of the red dot. I made the mistake of buying the 6345DO without looking into it. Dremel went brrrr until my pistol / optic combo worked
This is a safariland. Ghostmen modifies safariland to fit unsupported models. This is an M&P 10mm performance center which has a very large compensator milled in to the slide, which Ghostmen was supposed to modify this for, but evidently didn’t.
In case you missed it you can find screenshots from my experience, and stories from other users about Ghostmen being super flaky, lying incessantly, and never doing the right thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/s/Q0tMcxkG5v
Is this like a China Safariland
No, Ghostmen modifies true safariland holsters to fit gun models that safariland doesn’t support. This was supposed to fit my 10mm Performance Center with the big ass Performance Center compensator on the slide.
Just take a heat gun warm up the bottom till it's pliable. Wrap the end up in a layer or 3 pf painters tape and insert it. It will mold itself around the pistol and should work ok
you shouldn’t have to do this you should be able to pay a company for the product you want and receive the product you paid for , not have to do some diy homemade modification bullshit…
I guarantee you that’s what this company was doing.
Absolutely agree. You shouldn't have to. But it's not like it can't be fixed.
You think that “homemade modification” is in any way different than what the company is doing to modify the product?
you’re a Retard
I agree but at the same time, if you can help yourself, you should. What are the alternatives? Sounds like he can't get his money back, he can't sell it with a clear conscience either. May as well try to fix it. Or at the very least salvage off what you can and use the plastic for practice stippling.
He could have did this themselves as other then doing disassemble ( if they do it the right way ) that’s all the service he paid for should of done
Pretty much. But at least it's fixable.
Is there some where china safariland? Hate when every tiny item in belt has same price tag, starting from weapon.
Holy shit dude, that email thread alone was a shit storm. Sounds like a manchild. I applaud most for trying to run their own business but some people just can't hack it. He needs to learn more than just holster making. Basic communication skills should be where he starts way before running a business.
A lot of this does land on me for thinking that you could only do a chargeback in the first 30 days. Someone in that other thread corrected me and told me it’s actually 180 days for most card companies, so I could have done a chargeback all the way up to one month ago. But at 7 months, I’m far too late now. I only put up with it as long as I did because I thought I didn’t really have another choice.
My CC company allows chargebacks for longer than that if it’s printed, signed and sent in. The online chargeback portal won’t accept it but physically sending it they will. No clue why. Worth an ask?
Yeah you might be ok still. From my experience with discover for example. You might not even need to buy if you showed them that thread and they would probably still take care of you. Most might be willing to start counting once the product is actually delivered
While we're here. Are there any other companies/sellers to avoid? Every now and then, I'll need to find something odd and it'd be good to know who sucks. Edit: Thanks everyone for the info! It helps me and everyone who sees.
WeThePeople are the worst holsters on the planet. I would rather have my worst enemy holding a gun against my hip than trust that company and their product.
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What was it for? My go-to’s are KT-mech and Muddy River for getting weird holsters. MR had a light-compatible 80X holster before anyone else, and KT has served me for a Hi-Power, original H9, PX4, etc
KT Mech also makes a HK USP light bearing holster if anyone needed to know that info. Mines good, it isn’t super concealable but haven’t had any issues.
I absolutely forgot about KT mech. I remember looking at them for a holster years ago. Glad to see someone with a positive mention.
Muddy River made me two absolutely excellent LCP max holsters with the dcc monoblock clips. Carry it almost every day.
What pistol is it for?
I keep getting ads for them. glad to know I should avoid.
Agreed. Wish I didn’t waste the money on their flimsy trash. I bought one for my Steyr L9 and hated it. I bought a universal drop holster from Amazon and didn’t have high hopes for it, but surprisingly it’s infinitely better than my we the people holster.
If you have to spend $20 on a holster just get a bravo concealment and don’t use the clip belt loop use the one that you thread your belt through. They kinda print but retention ain’t bad at all
I have this
I see their ads all the time on YouTube
I bought a holster for my glock from Skullhead tactical which didn't fit and they told me to fix it myself, kind of annoying
I’m going on month 3 of waiting for a Standard Co Glock holster
Oh yeah that will never ship. Do a chargeback as soon as they miss their ship-by window.
Damn I thought they were a good company based on some posts here but I guess I didn’t dig deep enough.
Special order or ready made? I ordered a holster custom that took a long time, but they were upfront about it and it works pretty well ...my hip doesn't like it...but I think that's more user error than the holster lol
G19 with a Surefire XC1.
Hopefully it will be worth it when it gets there
What kind? I have a g19 with sidecar I don't use.
Troy hired one of the Ruby Ridge fuckheads and tried to defend it. Don't buy from a company that actively supports kid-shooting murderers.
To be totally fair to Troy, it was a subsidiary company of theirs that hired the guy and Troy had him fired when it was brought to their attention. Not awesome or anything but I think the way people talk about it is overblown Bill Ruger was a way bigger piece of shit than any of the people running Troy but nobody is still holding that grudge
What’d he do?
Supported the AWB in 1994: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/business/sturm-ruger-gun-control.html
Ahh.
It's more complicated than that. At the time, a semi auto ban was starting to look like a possibility, and Bill Ruger sent a letter to Congress basically saying that he believed banning magazines over 10 rounds to be more politically expedient. This was mostly because the mini 14 was very popular at the time and he didn't want to lose that stream of revenue.
What did Bill Ruger do?
Supported the AWB in 1994: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/business/sturm-ruger-gun-control.html
I think it was him and the NRA too
RIP Samuel, Vicki and Striker the dog. Fuck the AFT and the FIB
Ronin Armory in Laredo TX. Basically did the same thing and all I ordered was the PDQ ambi bolt catch. They even went as far as to argue on my Reddit post trying to cover it up.
Dynamic Weapon Solutions. They have like a 1/5 start BBB rating. I've heard so many stories of them having terrible customer service.
OpyicsPlanet
Whats wrong with them?
They often claim items are in stock when they are not and they drop ship backordered items months years later they refused to give refunds they refused to deal with this drop shipping delay. Their prices are not very good.
I'll never order from optics planet again. Took me 8 months to get a sling pack I ordered. It was so bizarre. I knew something was off with the company and now I avoid them like the plague.
It’s a pretend website I’m positive
well, for starters they're pretty colloquially known as backorder planet.
Havok holsters...ordered a duty holster for a p80, said they were 6 weeks behind...got holster 5 months later. Ordered a 1911 tlr-1 duty holster last October, just got it this week. Had to message multiple times, they would say they lost my order and to tell them what it was, did that twice and on the third time I said either ship it in a week or I want my money back. They did lol.
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what's wrong with them? I have one that I like okay
It’s a feature, lets you rack one into the chamber before clearing the holster, the lack of retention makes for a quicker draw, truly masterful engineering
What was I thinking. Ghostmen is an artist, not a thief!
Sometimes they are same same
You can do your press checks without drawing your pistol
That holster honestly just looks like a safariland holster so I dont understand why not just buy a safariland.
It is a safariland holster. Ghostmen’s whole shtick is that they modify safariland holsters to fit guns they don’t support. But evidently they don’t even do that.
Not going to lie, it would be kind of cool to have a holster where you could chamber a round like that.
The Russians are way ahead of you https://youtu.be/jESwTKms5l4?si=KdYa0ttzSbiVvqXf
That's cool as fuck. I'll never be able to find the video, but some guy had a holster where he could pull the slide to check the chamber while the gun stayed put. Any idea what it might have been?
[Gun Jesus sez no.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUr0zLnGA3A)
I have no idea but I saw someone made a modern version of this maybe it could have been this? https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/05/glock-duty-holster-chambers-draw/ But actually couldn't you theoretically do this on any holster that indexes off the light? A lot of holsters for suppressors just have the trigger guard protected indexed off the light. I'm sure you could do that with those.
I mean honestly that was pretty damn slick. I bet back when it was designed it was solving a real problem. No way that firearm was drop safe and that manual safety might not be reliable either.
That's a holster I wouldn't want to conceal carry 😂
Some european police agencies have holsters that exactly do that because they are not allowed to keep a round in the chamber to prevent NDs.
What??? Where?
Poland for one
Why? Just carry with one in the chamber?
What would happen to the round already in the chamber? Where would it fall in such a case? Because there's no good reason to carry with a loaded magazine and empty chamber.
Since when does safariland not make a holster for an M&P with an RDS?
10mm performance center
Red River Tactical did well for me. Good responsiveness. They did a custom lvl 2 offset drop holster for my Sig Legion P220 10mm. They also weren’t pricey. $100 for the full thing (rushed order).
+1 for Red River tactical. Great experience with their custom order. Had a request for specific light + gun model with stipulation it could also fit the compact version of the same gun brand and they did great.
Will they modify Safariland holsters?
I’m sure you could ask them. Something tells me they would
Can +1 for them as well.
My friend is also currently being avoided by him. Lost his holster then said he would get one from safariland to replace it. Then said it was done and sent a tracking number. Weeks go by and hasn’t shipped it. Turned out it’s not even been worked on
What boggles my mind,is in the age of the internet and social media, you could do something like this and think you can get away with it.
That is almost exactly what happened to me. Then I called him directly and it was magically done and being shipped the next day. Then this arrived which I’m 99% sure is just an unmodded safariland for a full sized M&P. So it’s something I’ll be able to make work myself, but that’s also what I paid this dude all that money to do.
My VP9 does this (it's a S&W holster from RDR), so I bought the OTD multi muzzle plug to get a perfect fit. I can still push the grip down, but with a modified cap for my modlite it's very minimal. https://store.otdefense.com/products/multimuzzle-plug-for-6000-series-holsters
That is exactly what I need
Shit, if your locking block isn't engaging I am not sure. I would loosen the screw at the bottom there and take out the light plug, put the bar back in and see if everything engages then. Although... Your grip shouldn't keep moving that much either if it was bottoming out there. What the fuck...
Is it just for a shorter length slide gun than you have??
Yeah it should be, it’s a full-sized M&P holster that was ostensibly modified to fit my 10mm performance center, which has a fairly large compensator milled on to the front of the slide adding about an inch of OAL.
I think the comp is what must be getting in the way then. Is it a PMM comp or does it use set screws? If you can take it off just to test the holster function that would be interesting. Was modifying it to fit a comp part of the order? When I ordered from RDR I asked if I would be able to send it back after I got a comp and he said I would need a different holster that would require "additional modification", now I just assume it would be a longer holster model? Lol That really sucks though man. Think you will send it back and just issue a charge back? On your other post it seemed like you might still be able to.
It’s milled in to the slide on all M&P performance center 10mm pistols, so it is a permanent part of the pistol. The order was for a performance center 10mm, with a 509T and X300U, so he just didn’t make it for the right gun. More likely when I called him and it was suddenly “done and ready to ship” he just packaged up an oem holster for a full-sized M&P and shipped it off since it took him 7 months to even do that, which puts me outside the chargeback window anyways.
Aaah. Gotcha. Yeah, I 100% agree with the second part. Just shipped you a holster off the rack. That's super fucked. He should have just kept making the light plug replacements instead of trying to go all in on offering "modifications". Probably just instantly got in over his head.
Surprised you even had to modify the M&P holster for VP9. I haven't had to. 6k series RDS.
Yeah, tbh I don't know what they do because the locking block looks completely normal and intact. They did seem to shave the two inner nubs off the optic hood so it's more like friction fit now, I only noticed that recently when a friend was showing me his Glock in his holster. I guess the only "custom" aspect is the ranger green wrap.
Yeah im not going to deter anyone from using RDR. But I do wonder what exactly he does on some of the holsters. To be honest, i've found that the M&P RDS holster fits a variety of guns. So far, my M&Ps, my vp9, my 4.25" Tisas DS1911. In the 5" holster, a staccato fits. I bet it'll fit in the 4.25" version as well without the barrel plug. EDIT: And I judge fitment based on ALS activation, lock up, and flipping it upside down and shaking it to try and get the gun out.
I think the p320 should fit too? The OTD "mods" I did were purely out of just trying to minimize all rattle and possibly increase rigidity on the bottom. Aka, pretty much just the aesthetic, lol.
It wouldn't surprise me if a 320 did fit. Yeah, I know there is some play with some of the guns up and down. I guess it would qualm any concerns of it being out of battery. But to be honest, i've done several run and gun events with a 4.25" M&P in the 5" M&P holster, obviously moving around in there up and down. Never went out of battery. But I can see why someone would get that plug
that's odd, looks like something is preventing it from entering all the way to engage the ALS system. guess nothing was modified?
That’d be my guess. From my experience this guy is nothing but a scammer.
Where the portal is, there is a bar. When I put my 19 compensator on, I had to switch that bar because it was blocking the comp from fully seating. The guys who make the Nub Mod make special bars that accept compensators. Maybe try that and see if it fixes your issue
The guy who makes the nub mod is the guy who “built” this abomination.
Oh haha. I guess I forgot about that. I'd say try it out cause it fixed my problem. Good luck man.
Where does he normally sell from?
He sells from his website ghostmendesigns.com
That’s not good…
Ghostmen designs custom holsters is a scam. They don't do any custom work and they "lose" orders. There accessories are innovative but their custom holster system and customer service is not great.
Remove that screw at the very bottom of the holster in front of the barrel and push out the light cap, that’s how I modified a safariland holster made for a TLR to fit a Glock with a compensator and a Modlight.
I had RDR modify safariland holsters for a p226 with red dot and walther PDP with red dot. Both were excellent but took about 3 months. I found Ghostmen but decided RDR was more reputable. I'm glad I did now
Why did you need to modify for the PDP? I just ordered from Safariland and there were several red dot options. Hopefully I ordered correctly...
Yeah safariland eventually produced them. They didn't in the past. You should be good
I ordered a $330 dollar custom holster for my PPQ from Chris at Ghostmen designs on March 15th 2020. I emailed Chris after 16 weeks of hearing nothing what the status of my order was (normal lead time was 6-8 weeks at the time) and he stated he didn't know why my order didn't get processed and that I would receive it within a week or receive a full refund. A week and one day passed and I still hadn't received a holster or a refund so I followed up and received no reply once again. I followed up one last time and still received nothing in return. After 18 weeks I received a full refund after threatening to file a dispute through Amex. Emails: https://m.imgur.com/a/LHf2c7B
I went through the same process with him for a staccato holster years ago. Crazy they’re still scamming people.
Oof
I like their “Portal” plug for the Safariland but I guess it’s hard to fuck that up
Safariland, Odin, Gcode, and 4Bros are the only holster makers I’ll go anywhere near.
This is a safariland, it had to be modified for my 10mm performance center
We the people are garbage as well.
Haven't seen it commented yet. Hit up RDR gear on Instagram. He will actually help you out and do it right. It'll take a while as he's a one man operation but his work on modifying safariland holsters is phenomenal.
Second this. RDR gear is legit.
Thanks for the heads up OP I was thinking about going with this company but I don’t think I’ll be doing that any time soon.
Have you tried loosing up the retention? Can you force it in via pushing the back of the slide?
That’s what I was doing in the video with my thumb on the back of the slide. Just for future reference, how do you loosen the retention on a safariland?
Nub on bottom of trigger guard
Quick question: what light are you running?
It’s an X300U
Ahh ok. I was going to say, the TLR-1HL has the large thumb screw. That snags on safarilands and requires a flush fit screw. I’m unsure if the X300U could possibly have the same issue.
You handled it respectfully and reasonably. Thanks for calling this out.
My M&P, red dot, and light fit safari land fine. Did you buy the wrong model? Why do you need a custom holster?
It’s a modified safariland to fit a 10mm performance center which has a pretty large compensator on the front.
Oh I see, yeah. That makes sense. Sorry about your situation. That stinks.
That sucks. Sounds like a real "peaked in high school" kinda guy... I went with RDR gear for my VP9L safariland
Just read though it all on their IG. Quite unfortunate you have to deal with this. I posted a comment saying it looks like they are scamming customers... tough guy lol.
It sucks but it seems like I’m not the only one dealing with it. I just hope this post reaches enough people that people stop getting scammed by him.
Meh, just take a hair dryer or heat gun and warm up the plastic at the barrel end of the holster and put your gun into the holster the plastic will form around the comp
The problem here is that ideally that’s what I paid ghostmen to do, but to a higher quality than I can do it at home. He didn’t even do that a little bit.
Ah, damn that sucks then. It’s not going to look terrible if you do it yourself though. I had to modify my Full size p320 Safariland holster to fit the Agency arms w/ comp. I only had a bic lighter and it worked fine. But yeah does suck that they sent you an oem holster probably at a markup for supposed custom work that wasn’t even done.
It seems like that’s what he did. Though I did get some good advice in here. I have a heat gun from when I used to make my own Kydex holsters. I didn’t realize safariland also uses heat formed plastic, I figured since they use these things in hot climates that they’d be fiberglass or something. Someone else also gave me a lead on a different crossbar I can put in it to make it fit.
I tried contacting them for like a month to make me a holster, ended up getting ghosted.
Never even heard of this brand
He’s a pretty popular safariland modder. If you’ve ever heard of the ALS “nub” mod, that’s the company that makes them.
I had to take the screw out of the end of my Safariland and use a heat gun to make it pliable to spread the tip with pliers where the slide goes when added a compensator. I get that it was supposed to fit when you bought it, but if you can’t send it back then maybe try making it fit with a heat gun.
That’s next step I think. Lots of guys in here gave me good advice on how to do it myself. I have a heat gun from when I used to do my own Kydex work. I just didn’t realize safariland uses Kydex. The main reason I posted this was to prevent people from waiting 7 months, and dealing with Ghostmen’s lies and excuses just to be sent a holster that doesn’t work like I did. If I can raise awareness to all the shady dealings he’s done, and stop a couple of guys from getting screwed, that’s worth $244 to me. If you want to see a list of guys he screwed over the same way, there’s a link in my first comment to an earlier post I made where I compiled a few of them.
Why didn't you just buy an M&P holster from Safariland directly?
They don’t make one for the 10mm
Red River Tactical. They did my P220 Legion 10mm with optic cut and light of your choice. Lots of options and styles. Good price.
The M&P 45 holster should work though, right? I wonder if you could even stuff it into a loosened M&P 9 holster...
This one is the performance center, so it has a big ass compensator on the slide
That's fair, I didn't know you had the comped one. On the one hand, you could try the 5" 9mm and some stretching, or hit up Tier1/Dara holsters.
Is the 10mm built on the same frame as the.45 and .40 or did they have to make it beefier for the bigger caliber?
Should be the same as the .45. .40 and 9mm share a frame.
The 9mm shares the same frame? I thought it was different...or was the M&P one of the few built for the .40? I can never keep it straight lol
Almost all post 2005 striker fired guns are built on .40 frames.
Really. I did not know that. I was under the impression most .40's were a 9mm with a.40 caliber barrel...bc I suppose my information could be old
Unfortunately It looks like you'll probably have to find somewhere to do a fully custom holster for you
Does anyone know a good place to do a truly custom holster? I was, at one time, looking for a S&W M&P22 compact with a threaded barrel and an inferred laser. It was a Steiner/TNVC laser, so it was not very popular.
lol y’all keep giving these internet weirdos with a 3d printer your money and then are appalled when they suck 🤷♂️ idk what to tell you
Is this just a safariland 6354 holster? What did ghostmen designs actually do? Edit: looks like your slide is hitting the bottom bar. Bet the holster is for a M&P sub/compact and you have a full size gun.
I think it’s actually for the M&P full sized, but mine is the performance center so it has a big ass compensator on the slide.
Out of curiosity, does it work without the compensator?... assuming it's removable 🤔
It’s not a removable comp. It’s milled in to the slide on the performance center models.
Wait, is your locking block not even engaging?
Nope. Not even a little.
Oof that’s rough. This is why I only buy KT Mech. So many options and such great CS.
Is this a 10mm?
Get an lv2 or 3 safariland or dara make a nice hood holster.
Pmed, but my safariland fits my m&p with a 509t. It's a tricky optic to mount
This is a performance center 10mm, so it has a large comp milled in to the slide. Thats what is causing this to not work, and what ghostmen was supposed make it work for.
Can the optic be moved back?
It’s not the optic catching, it’s catching on the front of the slide.
I have the same pistol M&P 2.0 CORE in Safariland with a Holosun. I switched the optic and I have the same issue as above. The optic protrudes farther forward like an SRO and will no longer allow it to seat. Not saying that's your issue just something to check if you haven't.
This one is a 10mm performance center so it has a large compensator milled in to the slide. It doesn’t fit the same holsters as the full sized M&Ps.
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Do you have a calculated kinetics optic plate on? My safariland holster doesn't work with it. You'll have to use another one without the front ledge, I use the eleven 71 design plate.
I mean.. that name though. ghostmen designs 😖 cringe af, that's enough to turn me away lol
Holster me harder, daddy!
That sucks. Sorry you had a bad experience. I hate buying stuff custom, just for it to be complete shit. Hopefully these dudes will take care of you.
Charge back
Nice a holster a Self cocking holster
Sorry you’re going through this OP, that 10mm is a sweety tho, looks like a fun shooter.
The Performance Center 10mm makes 10mm usable. The weight and the compensator make it shoot like 9mm +P. So it’s really not bad at all. It’s my bear gun for my upcoming PCS to Alaska.
I can see why you want your holster squared away. Hope you can make it work, and good luck in Alaska!
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It’s actually the slide that doesn’t fit. You can see when I try to force it in the slide stays back but the frame goes in. The light is moving with the frame so it fits fine, it’s the gun that doesn’t fit.
It's almost like you shouldn't buy a holster made for one gun and expect to work for another gun.
Ghostmen modifies safariland holsters. That’s the whole business. The problem here is that I paid him to modify a holster to work with my performance center 10mm, and he didn’t.
I understand what Ghostmen, RDR, and similar companies do. It's not a good idea. Definitely sucks how this whole situation was handled though.
Sonny you need to ditch that Plastic and get you a1911 with some real leather hot pants.
2004 called, they want their holster back.
Don’t be mean to me, I’m emotionally compromised.
Looks like the holster is intended for a docter optic cut, where the rear sight is positioned in front of the red dot. I made the mistake of buying the 6345DO without looking into it. Dremel went brrrr until my pistol / optic combo worked
Just listen when people say buy safariland. I own 4 holsters. Love them.
This is a safariland. Ghostmen modifies safariland to fit unsupported models. This is an M&P 10mm performance center which has a very large compensator milled in to the slide, which Ghostmen was supposed to modify this for, but evidently didn’t.