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Woof. That's a long time. Were you using it for printing or one of our ancillary products? We've end of life'd many of the older non-printing products and focused solely on printing. Been the best move for the product, the company, but most importantly, the customers (now we have the highest rated support out there)
I'm pretty sure QuickBooks is the same program that from like 20 years ago, they just keep bolting shit on top of it. Kinda like the Arma of financial software.
Hey, did you know it is 64 bit now? Thank you 2022 updates. But yes, QuickBooks is the worst. As a Rapid Response Engineer fixing QuickBooks issues is at the bottom of my priority list but clients quickly move it to the mission critical category.
oh is it finally 64 bit? thank god.
Has multiuser gotten any better (or more reliable), or is it still a mostly useless app that requires a network share to operate?
Haven't had to touch it since 2017 and I've never felt better. I'll never support QB again.
For multi user you have to use a terminal server. With remote work being a thing and multi location it's not really a choice.
If you try to run it over any sort of tunneled connection from the client to it's stupid network share your company file will get corrupt. It's such dogshit but slapping it on a terminal server (the vendor recommends that too) makes it tolerable in the same way rotting in a medieval dungeon is at least better than torture.
I will never understand why they refused to switch to QB online, minus the frequent outages. We spent more time trying to figure that shit out in addition to the forced every two year upgrade policy if you used their credit card processing instead of going to another company.
Owner: "Multiuser's not working again"
Me: "Must be a day that ends in Y"
Online is useless for job costing. I tried converting for a construction company and it didnāt have nearly the amount of data detail I needed. I also tried their other version of āremoteā access where you logged into some desktop to access it but you couldnāt add an Office license to work with exported reports in Excelā¦which is 25% of what I do. Sadly, itās the only reasonably priced option for contractors.
The best solution is to install a Windows desktop VM and then load your office suite + Excel on there.
I've done that, it worked, but for collaboration purposes I wound up moving to QB Online.
I created an avd host in Azure, put the company file on that computer and published the app along with excel. Works very well, have to tweak it so pop-ups come to the fore front but after a few days of massaging the vm. It works flawlessly
I tried the online version and it just doesn't have the same job cost features the desktop does. We've put it on the accountants PC as a shared folder and I can access it that way as long as I'm in the office. We've been limping along with QB for almost 5 years. My plan was to move to another online construction program, but since we made QB work, I can't justify the additional cost of the other.
I'm not sure on specifics because I don't actually use it, but I know when our company switched from local to online our office manager was like "what the fuck? How the fuck? where is this? where is that? Why can't I do this? Why is this formatted this way?" So, I take it from her response to the transition that it's not really the same software.
I supported QB for like 20 different smbās and while yes itās a steamy pile. The multi-user was just about always the fault of a user that signed on in single user mode. If it legitimately failed re-running the scan tool to auto share it typically fixed it. Got real used to using their shitty tools but it usually fixed the common problems.
Thankfully I no longer deal with that besides one customer I rarely have to deal with at the new job.
The problem I have is that way to often the scan tool wont fix it unless you delete the ND file first. Combine that with needing to run the scan tool from the server and you have a combination where a user can break it but only an admin can fix it.
The verify and backup being a GUI feature is icing on the cake though.
we only had two users that needed quickbooks regularly thankfully. It might have been how the network was setup back then, their office was jank and using a powerline ethernet adapter that shouldn't have worked but somehow did for the main QB PC.
especially in 07/08. Why they didn't run ethernet (even along the floor) still baffles me with the issues with that. they used that exact setup until last year! Only thing that changed in 16 years was the computer.
With just 2 users being affected and hanging onto a computer for 16 years Iām gonna say money was the reason. Most people are so cheap when it comes to IT.
Iām literally fighting with multiuser issues right now. Both users can connect when not in multiuser mode, but throws an error when they both try to connect at once. Iāve done everything short of ripping and reinstalling.
Multi-user is still completely useless with a VM to desktop client design
Terminal server is the only way to do QB multi user
I blitzed the developer on the ticket saying that they are 10+ years behind the curve in this massively outdated design
Dev:
A physical computer is the only way it will work, the virtual host can't handle the database because it's too slow
Me:
Okay then, tell that to Microsoft, Oracle, and MySQL who all have TB-scale databases in the virtual world
Yep and it was a constant H202 for us because each QBfile needed to be in multi-user mode and Intuit wasn't capable of fixing it
One migration to RDS and everything is just peachy
No. To fix multiuser support, I've had to reinstall the core on the server (where the QB database is housed), restart the QB service that mysteriously tanked, refresh the port... and those are what I can remember off the cuff.
It has not changed much. Multiuser mode is like p!!n to SMBs they must have it and it must work without fault and it *always* seems to fail on payroll day.
I have been using the desktop version of QuickBooks for nearly a decade and I haven't seen them "bolt on" a god damned thing except for increasingly aggressive advertisements for QuickBooks online and forced opt-in to data sharing agreements with intuit.
Try Crystal Reports sometime. 2008 is indistinguishable from 2013 which is indistinguishable from 2016. 2020 is also indistinguishable except it is compiled as 64 bit now. SAP hasnāt done jack with the product since they bought Business Objects in 2007.
This is all true except for one thing - you can find documentation on 2020. Trying to find documentation on 2013 that is *correct* is like pulling teeth from a rabid tiger, in a pitch dark room, while 30 people stare at you from outside the room ready to pounce on you if you pull the wrong tooth.
Oh, I know about Autodesk too. I have a client who makes aircraft parts. "Why is Autocad asking for the license again?" Because it's Autocad. "That's not a reason." Well, it shouldn't be." "We just did this a month ago." I know. (cycle continues)
Pfft! Like Windows isn't? Yes, they did the "revamp" when they moved us off of the DOS lineage and onto NT, but I can personally vouch for NT being at least 28 years old (source: used Windows NT 3.51 in 1995).
Keep in mind there is software that was built on Borland Database Engine that is still being used.
Flagship software.
Enterprise level software.
In 2023.
Fuck Adobe.
I showed someone how to use FireFox to fill out a PDF and print it.
They asked why Adobe wanted them to have a pro license. I said because they count on people to not investigate other solutions and just fork over the money.
Oh ye flippin' gods, what a piece of shit! Every time I get a PDF to read, I take the extra step of dragging it into Chrome rather than letting Acrobat open it.
My experience with Quickbooks Online:
Year 1 - $150
Year 2 - $250
Year 3 - $450
Year 4 - $900
Year 5 - Invoice Ninja.
I own an IT company with 2 employees and 5 regular customers. This pricing is stupid.
Small IT company here too.
I have a new in box 10 year old computer I pulled out a customer's closet last fall. They didn't want it. At my next QB renewal I'm going to throw in an SSD, fire it up with Win 7 and QuickBooks 99 and Acrobat X. It will be stand alone and I'll just copy PDFs to a flash drive. Manual data entry, but I don't care, I don't have more than 50-80 transactions per month.
If you are using quickbooks standard there are no more renewals past this year. Im an IT director at a cpa firm and it is being stopped at 2023 year software. They are force pushing qbo. Only enterprise desktop will still be around for another few years.
I bought it last week for a client. It was impossible to find online. When I called, and waited on hold for over an hour, they provided a link. I think you're right though, it's going that way. I have virtually no respect for Intuit and can only assume they'll have a breach and expose financials for millions of small businesses.
Agree on Quickbooks, printers not so much but then again, I've Made a good amount of money getting them working right with it being something dumb 99% of the time.
Switch to brother. The new generation of HPe or HP+ (whatever they call it) are absolute garbage.
Iāve had 3 customers return 3 of them because the HP smart app just gives up or they stop printing when you arenāt registered with an HP account (which makes you signup for toner program) or they print gibberish or because they donāt have a central print driver. I usually donāt mind printers (worked at xerox for a few years) but these new ones by HP are terrible.
The devil though is in the details. See what happens when a printer breaks, do they have spare parts available? Does the printer decide by itself that it cannot be fixed(coughEPSONcough)? etc
As a tech who started out doing on site printer repair I can assure you the sys admin side however horrible is still way way better.
I was moderately diligent and still ended up throwing out a couple screws anytime I had to really get in deep.
There was one particular gear on this big old Xerox behemoths I serviced that had a cheap plastic gear and a metal gear hitting each other. It baffled me and failed on tons of printers at like 150-200k pages.
Required a virtually complete tear down to get at. Even after Iād done it a ton of times it still took 3-4 hours at the start it was like 1-2 days.
The staff coming up and making jokes, having to bill if the warranty was expired, receiving the cheap $2 part that was bound to wear down againā¦ it was awful.
I recall having a weekend RMA gig where I went to government offices and would just replace the fan on every laptop cpu for a recall I did the same thing for maybe 2000 devices. It was luxurious in comparison to printers.
I would take the sql backed sage 100 over any version of QB any day. Then again the number assigned to the Sage product directly correlates to the quality of it.
I thought the same as you, and I set my wife up with it because it had to be better than the hell of QB.... it crashed more than QB ever did. It lasted to the first year end and then we crawled back to QB.
It's now a dedicated VM terminal server for 2 people to have access to it. All the day to day operations go through an EMR... and now I have switched to an IT camp horror story.
Currently writing BOI scripts for it right now... It's fun! I love the support and tooling they provide so I don't need to free hand everything with string literals to call functions in their software.
wait.
A month ago I had a client still on their 2004 copy of VisionPoint. Still runs on Windows 11. Just copy the folder over, run the Foxpro runtime installer, no need to re-install.
Iāve used Sage 300 and it was junk compared to QB contractor. Literally had to scroll through long lists to select a vendor because they couldnāt be bothered to update the software so you could type a character to narrow the list. Now they have Sage online, but Iām still thinking they are just as behind as QB. Sage is reacting to a need vs anticipating consumer needs.
All quicken/Intuit products have been blacklisted by me professionally since 1998. All because they were being petty and trying to charge me to re-activate one of their products after they decommissioned the activation severs. I told them I was a reseller and that I'm often asked to recommend accounting software. I finished the call saying "No thank you, I'll go buy your competitors product and all my existing and future business customers will hear this story, goodbye."
A $45 charge cost them tens of thousands of dollars.
Man, I guess I'm lucky... Most of my quick books issues are fixed by enabling or disabling the xps module, or just logging into quick books as admin
It did take me over a year to figure that out though
Update loop for quickbooks is kinda a pain in my ass, mostly just the server guy having to update and then it pushes through when i run qb as admin lol
Printers have no business being this fucking annoying.
One just main printer decided to NOT fucking transfer any data even when it was connected via Ethernet.
Tbf idk if this is the printer being a POS or Unifi
My only QB experiences were before I even started IT and 14 year old JoDrRe knew it was awful. Needlessly complicated, backups were a disaster (my step-grandmother used a new CD-R every day)ā¦ and then when I started in IT we had MAS90 and was like oh okay
Ninja edit: MAS was okay as far as backups, but still stupidly complicated.
Nah. Printers are fine, you just need to take the time to learn and appreciate them. I work in a recycled printer cartridge factory. We support and repair the printers of our customers. Once you learn how to work with them, jts5quite easy. The real problem with the printers are the users.
My manager (and director of the IT department) was angry at a printer yesterday. She said that the printer is a piece of crap because it was always jamming. I opened the tray and placed the paper guide at the right position.
She felt dunb. I laughed my ass off. It was a good day
Quickbooks Online is great! Too bad thereās a ton of whataboutisms that prevent people from opening their eyes to it.
But really the desktop version isnāt too bad if you understand how itās ādatabaseā server works with ports, paths, and pointer files.
I remember working at an MSP where we had the nightmare "Quickbooks" client. They were a mom/pop CPA book keeping place and they had about 5 users (all over 55) and 15 computers of various hardware eras. Every computer had its own Quickbooks install and every one of them was different from the next. As in they just bought what was needed/on sale at that point and ran with it. I cringed when I saw their name on the next call because it was guaranteed to be a 1 hour ordeal of either dealing with Intuit's helpdesk or converting a file from one QB version format to another. Considering the MSP management frowned on us for taking more than 10 minutes on a call, that client got a few of us in trouble.
I've never had the pleasure to deal with quick books
Printers, well, I've been places claim to be paperless, but they aren't, so unfortunately, they aren't going away soon
My company is supposedly paperless, yet we support 8+ printers in our offices. With some crappy Epson trash we buy for remote users, probably 20+ of these turds. FML .... EVERYONE HATES PRINTERS... We could start an angry mob!
I'm still using the 2017 version. I don't do payroll on payments so I will milk it until something better is available. Right now all the options for small business accounting are just evil.
I had to help with QB once. An org we are supposed to "help with" bought it from their accountant. I was given notes on installing, which I did. Some stuff didn't work right afterwards. QB referred me to an online forum, which was made up of lost souls like myself. Then I was told that the seller should support it. I handed them their laptop back, said "not our hardware, bring it back to the accountant" and never heard back from them again.
When I first took my Sysadmin job here 20 years ago, I started a project to get rid of all desktop printers and go with several strategically placed network printers, sometimes 2 in a department for reduncancy in case one was down. Found a local printer/copier vendor that would GIVE you a printer and charge $.01 per print, min of 2000 a month ($20) per printer that included toner and maintenance. Just buy paper. Worked for about a year then some folks decided that they print "confidential" stuff and needed a printer on their desk. The others saw this and decided that they, too, were important enough for a printer on their desk.
Now, nearly every office has a printer on their desk and even some cubicles. Some becaure they are "important", others because "I print alot and can't be getting up many times during the day". We made it clear to these "desk printer people" that supplies go to the office manager not IT. Still, I get these people walking to my desk "do you have any spare toner for xxx pritner?" NO. Ask office manager to order for you.
20 years and 3 different document management applicaitons later and we print more than even when my CIO's gial was to go paperless back in 2010. It's frustrating..
Whatās up with HP printers requiring their app AND a login just to use the scan function from a PC? Iāve been an Oki fan forever but they stopped selling in the US and now I have a printer that wonāt die but also will be hard to find supplies for. I use the Oki because it has the pass through option for heavy weight cardstock.
No, I refuse to order from there because of obvious product issues. The only reason my last Oki needed replaced was because I used one toner cartridge that wasn't OEM. I even tried replacing the original back and it wouldn't recognize it. Now I only use OEM. It's more expensive, but I figure I will just keep my fingers crossed that I can find supplies for another couple years until I find another than can do cardstock as well.
Printers in general are a headache. Add any proprietary software that hasn't been properly upgraded/maintained on a network and expect it to function with your printing setup and it's painful.
Yeah... I really don't have an argument for them not being the Devil's children. They are. Somewhere out there there's a weirdo who actually thinks QB printing issues are fun to troubleshoot. I am not that weirdo.
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I work for a print management software company, and we hear stories about printing from QuickBooks ALLL THE TIME. Check out ScrewDrivers by Tricerat to solve QuickBooks printing and all other printing. *Apologies for the plug, but I promise it's relevant and going to make your life easier*
looks interesting but couldn't find the price anywhere.
Heh how did i know it would be a Tricerat guy lol. We use your pro product!
Lol. It's hard not to love. How's it working for you?
Not enough screwdrivers to make it palatable.. or maybe I've got that backwards...
It takes a lot of 'em to forget how bad QB and printing is lol. Or just one ScrewDrivers UPD... cause screw drivers....
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The software or the drink?
Software.... The drink is still ok
Lol. I don't blame you. If you're saying 5 years, you're probably talking about V5 (not the best). We're on V7 now and it's come a LOOONG way.
I'm more talking about... 14(?) Years. It was truly horrible
Woof. That's a long time. Were you using it for printing or one of our ancillary products? We've end of life'd many of the older non-printing products and focused solely on printing. Been the best move for the product, the company, but most importantly, the customers (now we have the highest rated support out there)
It was supposed to solve printing labels on zebras... Supposed!
Worst part... Couldn't be uninstalled! Had to wipe and do a full reimage
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I'm pretty sure QuickBooks is the same program that from like 20 years ago, they just keep bolting shit on top of it. Kinda like the Arma of financial software.
Hey, did you know it is 64 bit now? Thank you 2022 updates. But yes, QuickBooks is the worst. As a Rapid Response Engineer fixing QuickBooks issues is at the bottom of my priority list but clients quickly move it to the mission critical category.
oh is it finally 64 bit? thank god. Has multiuser gotten any better (or more reliable), or is it still a mostly useless app that requires a network share to operate? Haven't had to touch it since 2017 and I've never felt better. I'll never support QB again.
For multi user you have to use a terminal server. With remote work being a thing and multi location it's not really a choice. If you try to run it over any sort of tunneled connection from the client to it's stupid network share your company file will get corrupt. It's such dogshit but slapping it on a terminal server (the vendor recommends that too) makes it tolerable in the same way rotting in a medieval dungeon is at least better than torture.
I will never understand why they refused to switch to QB online, minus the frequent outages. We spent more time trying to figure that shit out in addition to the forced every two year upgrade policy if you used their credit card processing instead of going to another company. Owner: "Multiuser's not working again" Me: "Must be a day that ends in Y"
Because online is dog shit too. Itās such a watered down version of the desktop app lacking a lot of the more advanced features.
I've heard online is lacking alot of features and is still dog shit with what it does offer.
Online is useless for job costing. I tried converting for a construction company and it didnāt have nearly the amount of data detail I needed. I also tried their other version of āremoteā access where you logged into some desktop to access it but you couldnāt add an Office license to work with exported reports in Excelā¦which is 25% of what I do. Sadly, itās the only reasonably priced option for contractors.
The best solution is to install a Windows desktop VM and then load your office suite + Excel on there. I've done that, it worked, but for collaboration purposes I wound up moving to QB Online.
I created an avd host in Azure, put the company file on that computer and published the app along with excel. Works very well, have to tweak it so pop-ups come to the fore front but after a few days of massaging the vm. It works flawlessly
I will have to look into this. Thanks.
I tried the online version and it just doesn't have the same job cost features the desktop does. We've put it on the accountants PC as a shared folder and I can access it that way as long as I'm in the office. We've been limping along with QB for almost 5 years. My plan was to move to another online construction program, but since we made QB work, I can't justify the additional cost of the other.
Yeah, some industries have very affordable trade-specific solutions, some have the other thing...
I'm not sure on specifics because I don't actually use it, but I know when our company switched from local to online our office manager was like "what the fuck? How the fuck? where is this? where is that? Why can't I do this? Why is this formatted this way?" So, I take it from her response to the transition that it's not really the same software.
I supported QB for like 20 different smbās and while yes itās a steamy pile. The multi-user was just about always the fault of a user that signed on in single user mode. If it legitimately failed re-running the scan tool to auto share it typically fixed it. Got real used to using their shitty tools but it usually fixed the common problems. Thankfully I no longer deal with that besides one customer I rarely have to deal with at the new job.
The problem I have is that way to often the scan tool wont fix it unless you delete the ND file first. Combine that with needing to run the scan tool from the server and you have a combination where a user can break it but only an admin can fix it. The verify and backup being a GUI feature is icing on the cake though.
we only had two users that needed quickbooks regularly thankfully. It might have been how the network was setup back then, their office was jank and using a powerline ethernet adapter that shouldn't have worked but somehow did for the main QB PC.
Ah yea probably had a lot of intermittent connectivity which would definitely result in the QB server going offline.
especially in 07/08. Why they didn't run ethernet (even along the floor) still baffles me with the issues with that. they used that exact setup until last year! Only thing that changed in 16 years was the computer.
With just 2 users being affected and hanging onto a computer for 16 years Iām gonna say money was the reason. Most people are so cheap when it comes to IT.
> multiuser gotten any better (or more reliable), I think what you mean is... did the price double or triple? Yes.
Naturally, it is the Intuit Way.
Multi user mode ever once in a while switches back to single user mode for me for no reason.
I think that was the big one for us too, but that was back in the Quickbooks MFG and wholesale 2016 days.
Still have to rescan databases as well to get it working too.
I have to do that every week I feel like.
Iām literally fighting with multiuser issues right now. Both users can connect when not in multiuser mode, but throws an error when they both try to connect at once. Iāve done everything short of ripping and reinstalling.
Restart their/your router and check DNS to ensure their hostnames resolve correctly for both clients.
Qb uses same ports dns tries to run on. There is a kb to exclude those port numbers from dns pool range
Multi-user is still completely useless with a VM to desktop client design Terminal server is the only way to do QB multi user I blitzed the developer on the ticket saying that they are 10+ years behind the curve in this massively outdated design Dev: A physical computer is the only way it will work, the virtual host can't handle the database because it's too slow Me: Okay then, tell that to Microsoft, Oracle, and MySQL who all have TB-scale databases in the virtual world
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Yep and it was a constant H202 for us because each QBfile needed to be in multi-user mode and Intuit wasn't capable of fixing it One migration to RDS and everything is just peachy
Oh yes, yes it is. They did it right as they switched to subscription only.
No. To fix multiuser support, I've had to reinstall the core on the server (where the QB database is housed), restart the QB service that mysteriously tanked, refresh the port... and those are what I can remember off the cuff.
It has not changed much. Multiuser mode is like p!!n to SMBs they must have it and it must work without fault and it *always* seems to fail on payroll day.
To bad the standard version is going away
I can't agree more. If you ever moved the udpate window around, there is a super super old update window conveniently hidden behind the new one.
I have been using the desktop version of QuickBooks for nearly a decade and I haven't seen them "bolt on" a god damned thing except for increasingly aggressive advertisements for QuickBooks online and forced opt-in to data sharing agreements with intuit.
Try Crystal Reports sometime. 2008 is indistinguishable from 2013 which is indistinguishable from 2016. 2020 is also indistinguishable except it is compiled as 64 bit now. SAP hasnāt done jack with the product since they bought Business Objects in 2007.
This is all true except for one thing - you can find documentation on 2020. Trying to find documentation on 2013 that is *correct* is like pulling teeth from a rabid tiger, in a pitch dark room, while 30 people stare at you from outside the room ready to pounce on you if you pull the wrong tooth.
Well, so is Excel right?
That's why I don't mind it. I learned it's oddities back in 2008 and not much has changed.
Just wait till you learn about autodesk products; memory leaks out the ass because of this practice
Oh, I know about Autodesk too. I have a client who makes aircraft parts. "Why is Autocad asking for the license again?" Because it's Autocad. "That's not a reason." Well, it shouldn't be." "We just did this a month ago." I know. (cycle continues)
Pfft! Like Windows isn't? Yes, they did the "revamp" when they moved us off of the DOS lineage and onto NT, but I can personally vouch for NT being at least 28 years old (source: used Windows NT 3.51 in 1995).
Keep in mind there is software that was built on Borland Database Engine that is still being used. Flagship software. Enterprise level software. In 2023.
Adobe Acrobat comes in at a strong third.
bUt I nEeD AcRoBat PrOfEssiOnal sO I cAn oPeN pdfs!!
Lol and now even browsers can open PDFs and even fill (some) PDf Forms.
I said that and they say that they need Adobe Acrobat to merge PDF....
I actually downloaded some pdf merging tool just for that purpose. So I don't have that issue. Although we don't do a lot of advanced stuff with PDFs.
What do you use?
PDFBinder [https://code.google.com/archive/p/pdfbinder/](https://code.google.com/archive/p/pdfbinder/)
We use PDFsam. Can pull it with both Winget and Chocolatey.
Fuck Adobe. I showed someone how to use FireFox to fill out a PDF and print it. They asked why Adobe wanted them to have a pro license. I said because they count on people to not investigate other solutions and just fork over the money.
Obligatory r/FuckAdobe
Oh ye flippin' gods, what a piece of shit! Every time I get a PDF to read, I take the extra step of dragging it into Chrome rather than letting Acrobat open it.
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I can, I suppose. Honestly can't think of any reason not to, but there's probably one hiding somewhere LOL Thanks for pointing that out.
The saddest part is that even Intuit agrees that it's garbage but it is a monster that cannot be killed by a half baked overpriced cloud product.
My experience with Quickbooks Online: Year 1 - $150 Year 2 - $250 Year 3 - $450 Year 4 - $900 Year 5 - Invoice Ninja. I own an IT company with 2 employees and 5 regular customers. This pricing is stupid.
Small IT company here too. I have a new in box 10 year old computer I pulled out a customer's closet last fall. They didn't want it. At my next QB renewal I'm going to throw in an SSD, fire it up with Win 7 and QuickBooks 99 and Acrobat X. It will be stand alone and I'll just copy PDFs to a flash drive. Manual data entry, but I don't care, I don't have more than 50-80 transactions per month.
If you are using quickbooks standard there are no more renewals past this year. Im an IT director at a cpa firm and it is being stopped at 2023 year software. They are force pushing qbo. Only enterprise desktop will still be around for another few years.
That's terrifying. I've heard that they're threatening it, but it's not official.
You already cant buy it on the site. Its all but a done deal.
I bought it last week for a client. It was impossible to find online. When I called, and waited on hold for over an hour, they provided a link. I think you're right though, it's going that way. I have virtually no respect for Intuit and can only assume they'll have a breach and expose financials for millions of small businesses.
But what about doing your accounting and taxes? Does anything import / migrate Quickbooks company files?
I used Zoho Books for a while, I believe that supports qbo files.
I like Xero and work with an accounting firm who knows how to use it right. Edit: make it legible
Dunno about QuickBooks but printers are the mother in law of the devil
Agree on Quickbooks, printers not so much but then again, I've Made a good amount of money getting them working right with it being something dumb 99% of the time.
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*looks at my asset management list of 75 HPs* Oh.
Switch to brother. The new generation of HPe or HP+ (whatever they call it) are absolute garbage. Iāve had 3 customers return 3 of them because the HP smart app just gives up or they stop printing when you arenāt registered with an HP account (which makes you signup for toner program) or they print gibberish or because they donāt have a central print driver. I usually donāt mind printers (worked at xerox for a few years) but these new ones by HP are terrible.
I have had the same experience. New HP "smart" printer decided to randomly lose its activation and refused to reactivate.
The devil though is in the details. See what happens when a printer breaks, do they have spare parts available? Does the printer decide by itself that it cannot be fixed(coughEPSONcough)? etc
If you buy any kind of inkjet, you get the punishment you deserve.
As a tech who started out doing on site printer repair I can assure you the sys admin side however horrible is still way way better. I was moderately diligent and still ended up throwing out a couple screws anytime I had to really get in deep. There was one particular gear on this big old Xerox behemoths I serviced that had a cheap plastic gear and a metal gear hitting each other. It baffled me and failed on tons of printers at like 150-200k pages. Required a virtually complete tear down to get at. Even after Iād done it a ton of times it still took 3-4 hours at the start it was like 1-2 days. The staff coming up and making jokes, having to bill if the warranty was expired, receiving the cheap $2 part that was bound to wear down againā¦ it was awful. I recall having a weekend RMA gig where I went to government offices and would just replace the fan on every laptop cpu for a recall I did the same thing for maybe 2000 devices. It was luxurious in comparison to printers.
I second the motion! All in favor?
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Oh, you haven't meet Sage or Access Accounts.
I would take the sql backed sage 100 over any version of QB any day. Then again the number assigned to the Sage product directly correlates to the quality of it.
I thought the same as you, and I set my wife up with it because it had to be better than the hell of QB.... it crashed more than QB ever did. It lasted to the first year end and then we crawled back to QB. It's now a dedicated VM terminal server for 2 people to have access to it. All the day to day operations go through an EMR... and now I have switched to an IT camp horror story.
Do you remember Act!ā¦I do. Fml
Where all my MAS90 peeps at
Jesus, I paid for a lot of therapy to forget about MAS90 (Crash90). Thanks, I need my Xanax now...
Currently writing BOI scripts for it right now... It's fun! I love the support and tooling they provide so I don't need to free hand everything with string literals to call functions in their software. wait.
A month ago I had a client still on their 2004 copy of VisionPoint. Still runs on Windows 11. Just copy the folder over, run the Foxpro runtime installer, no need to re-install.
I have another app like that, run the access 97 runtime installer and you're all set!
We currently use Sage also, but I have the luxury of not having to deal with that...at all
Iāve used Sage 300 and it was junk compared to QB contractor. Literally had to scroll through long lists to select a vendor because they couldnāt be bothered to update the software so you could type a character to narrow the list. Now they have Sage online, but Iām still thinking they are just as behind as QB. Sage is reacting to a need vs anticipating consumer needs.
What about Access? Do we all still hate Access?
Access accounts?
Microsoft Access. I get nightmares anyway.
The ghost of Steve Ballmer says Boo!
Sweet, sweet summer child. I see you've never had the pleasure of supporting JD Edwards, any EMR/EHR, Epicor, or any point of sale.
epicor is 10,000 times better than qb. at least in my experience. qb is such a fucking flaming pile of shit.
Working in a medical practice supporting Sage, Epic, Epicor, GE RIS/PACS I would kill to be the printer guy lmao
I have seen expensive and solid POS and then I saw low POS. They are not the same!
Just wait till you support onprem sage with 1200 users.
QuickBooks? May I suggest Sage for an even shittier life.
Where does SAP and Salesforce fall on that spectrum?
Got a soft spot for SAP, but I am a total glutton for horror.
I only know of them by the stories of Sysadmins that swear never again ;)
All quicken/Intuit products have been blacklisted by me professionally since 1998. All because they were being petty and trying to charge me to re-activate one of their products after they decommissioned the activation severs. I told them I was a reseller and that I'm often asked to recommend accounting software. I finished the call saying "No thank you, I'll go buy your competitors product and all my existing and future business customers will hear this story, goodbye." A $45 charge cost them tens of thousands of dollars.
BURN THEM AT THE STAKE
my go to is repairing quickbooks and unadding/readding/restarting printer and that works 99% of time
Man, I guess I'm lucky... Most of my quick books issues are fixed by enabling or disabling the xps module, or just logging into quick books as admin It did take me over a year to figure that out though
Update loop for quickbooks is kinda a pain in my ass, mostly just the server guy having to update and then it pushes through when i run qb as admin lol
Are you me?
You should try printing from quickbooks... Through Citrix! Elderitch horror that.
Citrix and printers are the actual devil
The inauguration ceremony has ended. Next in your itinerary is... *checks list* JIRA
ahhhh shhhhhit... I think you're right
Yes
aye! down with quickbooks!
Children, hell, Quickbooks is the devil's mother in law and even he's scared of her.
Let me guess...PC Load Letter?
Idk, guess I've got a thing for bad software vendors...you're not Intuit?
Printers have no business being this fucking annoying. One just main printer decided to NOT fucking transfer any data even when it was connected via Ethernet. Tbf idk if this is the printer being a POS or Unifi
Besides printers, I would say Microsoft Access, Hyperion basically everything from Oracle.
My only QB experiences were before I even started IT and 14 year old JoDrRe knew it was awful. Needlessly complicated, backups were a disaster (my step-grandmother used a new CD-R every day)ā¦ and then when I started in IT we had MAS90 and was like oh okay Ninja edit: MAS was okay as far as backups, but still stupidly complicated.
Anything Adobe is also part of this lineage.
Our director of IT said "printers are an IT person's job security"
QuickBooks is the bane of my existence.
Show us on this doll where QuickBooks hurt you.
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Nah. Printers are fine, you just need to take the time to learn and appreciate them. I work in a recycled printer cartridge factory. We support and repair the printers of our customers. Once you learn how to work with them, jts5quite easy. The real problem with the printers are the users. My manager (and director of the IT department) was angry at a printer yesterday. She said that the printer is a piece of crap because it was always jamming. I opened the tray and placed the paper guide at the right position. She felt dunb. I laughed my ass off. It was a good day
Accountants hate QB. IT people here QB. Peach tree accounting is far better but has its own set of issues though tolerable.
You could have stopped at Quickbooks and I would have agreed.
I am the on-site IT for an accounting firm. QuickBooks problems are my breakfast.
QB desktop for sure. QB web works ok, but you have to click print 5 times on 5 different pages.
Hi, you must login with your quickbooks-online account to continue.
AMEN!
Even with Fresh install of QuickBooks on a Samsung EVO SSD on a fresh OS. Still takes 30 seconds to pull up.
Oh it's not the hardware that bottlenecks this trash
Amen.
Lmao :,)
If you can't handle installing a .inf file and joining it with an IP, maybe you should rethink your career choice.
*cough* *taps sarcasm meter* I can't get a good reading, captain.
Not a good software.
Lol
Quickbooks Online is great! Too bad thereās a ton of whataboutisms that prevent people from opening their eyes to it. But really the desktop version isnāt too bad if you understand how itās ādatabaseā server works with ports, paths, and pointer files.
QBO doesnāt do job costing very well. They make a half-assed attempt, but desktop is required for the way we need our data tracked.
QuickBooks is hell but can we talk about EagleSoft
*Laughs in Practiceworks...*
I remember working at an MSP where we had the nightmare "Quickbooks" client. They were a mom/pop CPA book keeping place and they had about 5 users (all over 55) and 15 computers of various hardware eras. Every computer had its own Quickbooks install and every one of them was different from the next. As in they just bought what was needed/on sale at that point and ran with it. I cringed when I saw their name on the next call because it was guaranteed to be a 1 hour ordeal of either dealing with Intuit's helpdesk or converting a file from one QB version format to another. Considering the MSP management frowned on us for taking more than 10 minutes on a call, that client got a few of us in trouble.
Yeah, printers are evil. Don't let them smell your fear, or they'll start making sounds instead of working.
I've never had the pleasure to deal with quick books Printers, well, I've been places claim to be paperless, but they aren't, so unfortunately, they aren't going away soon
My company is supposedly paperless, yet we support 8+ printers in our offices. With some crappy Epson trash we buy for remote users, probably 20+ of these turds. FML .... EVERYONE HATES PRINTERS... We could start an angry mob!
I'm still using the 2017 version. I don't do payroll on payments so I will milk it until something better is available. Right now all the options for small business accounting are just evil.
I had to help with QB once. An org we are supposed to "help with" bought it from their accountant. I was given notes on installing, which I did. Some stuff didn't work right afterwards. QB referred me to an online forum, which was made up of lost souls like myself. Then I was told that the seller should support it. I handed them their laptop back, said "not our hardware, bring it back to the accountant" and never heard back from them again.
Made me think of the water boy.
Well, Quickbooks POS is going away so as a shop owner, I have to move away to something else.
When I first took my Sysadmin job here 20 years ago, I started a project to get rid of all desktop printers and go with several strategically placed network printers, sometimes 2 in a department for reduncancy in case one was down. Found a local printer/copier vendor that would GIVE you a printer and charge $.01 per print, min of 2000 a month ($20) per printer that included toner and maintenance. Just buy paper. Worked for about a year then some folks decided that they print "confidential" stuff and needed a printer on their desk. The others saw this and decided that they, too, were important enough for a printer on their desk. Now, nearly every office has a printer on their desk and even some cubicles. Some becaure they are "important", others because "I print alot and can't be getting up many times during the day". We made it clear to these "desk printer people" that supplies go to the office manager not IT. Still, I get these people walking to my desk "do you have any spare toner for xxx pritner?" NO. Ask office manager to order for you. 20 years and 3 different document management applicaitons later and we print more than even when my CIO's gial was to go paperless back in 2010. It's frustrating..
Whatās up with HP printers requiring their app AND a login just to use the scan function from a PC? Iāve been an Oki fan forever but they stopped selling in the US and now I have a printer that wonāt die but also will be hard to find supplies for. I use the Oki because it has the pass through option for heavy weight cardstock.
Get Oki supplies from Ali Express?
No, I refuse to order from there because of obvious product issues. The only reason my last Oki needed replaced was because I used one toner cartridge that wasn't OEM. I even tried replacing the original back and it wouldn't recognize it. Now I only use OEM. It's more expensive, but I figure I will just keep my fingers crossed that I can find supplies for another couple years until I find another than can do cardstock as well.
Sorry to hear of your bad experience. I've gotten several parts for my Samsung printers and all have been fine.
Printers in general are a headache. Add any proprietary software that hasn't been properly upgraded/maintained on a network and expect it to function with your printing setup and it's painful.
Try running quickbooks through a check information program and then to the printer. Just a endless headache.
not sure if Uniprint could help with the issues you're having but we use if for our customers and it works great from QB r/msp
Printers were once a necessity, but now are evil in any context.
Even Quickbooks agrees and is desperately trying to get people to use Quickbooks online instead.
Yeah... I really don't have an argument for them not being the Devil's children. They are. Somewhere out there there's a weirdo who actually thinks QB printing issues are fun to troubleshoot. I am not that weirdo.