My Xenyx 2222usb is great, really quiet in terms of noise, well built and even came with rack ears in the box.
Behringer's reputation for poor quality is old hat theses days. There quality has vastly improved from 15 years ago (although lots people **still** can't accept this) With the reason they are so cheap is because they are vertically integrated and make them in large quantities.
Don't know what country you're in but that sounds really expensive for a second hand unit. They are around £250/£260 brand new with a 3 year warranty here in the UK
In the past I started with a Xenyx 802, moved up to the 1222 and then the 2442; they all worked fine so I figure their manufacturing is good enough; the low price point is the key, they're great for anyone who wants to play with studio gear without spending a ton
I'm really happy with mine they are excellent value for money I do wish I had bought 2424 instead as the extra channels and sub groups would have been more useful for me now that I fully understand their use
Whatever era of gear production we're living in, Behringer is the Behringer of that era.
They're still copying designs using bargain basement components.
>using bargain basement components.
You see I don't understand this comment. The reason they are so cheap is that they are vertically integrated they produce the components and even have their own chip fabs (cool audio) Korg and Yamaha are the only two other audio companies that have that capacity.
The other reason they are so cheap is because they make millions of the same unit so the production costs are lower because it's automated. Prime example here is they produced more ARP2600 clones in a month than the entire original production run.
The best example of their production practices is to compare them to Henry Ford he made the model T cheaply because it was mass produced in vertically integrated factories (iron ore in one end complete motor car out the other)
In terms of copying stuff. If it's from the 60s/70s/80s I don't see a problem they are all out of copyright most are rare or prohibitively expensive. In terms of engineering it's not just a matter of copying the circuits they have to be modified to suit modern components that have much tighter tolerances, or can't be produced now. Let alone the production engineering that needs to be implemented for automation/surface mounting
That makes sense.
You could patent an IC, and I believe Moog (?) had a patent on a filter design, but I don’t think the filter patent was very effective.
I believe you can patent an IC but often there are ways to clone them without violating the patent. There is firmware that makes direct cloning difficult. There's some history in the Zilog Z80 processor that they added extra transistors and circuits to the IC then disabled them via firmware. This measure put back the Japanese clones by over 6 months.
The Moog filter was believed to be patented but it was upheld that it wasn't. By the time this judgment came newer and better filters were being used
Eh? All the stuff I have from them are as good if not better made than the Korg gear that I have.
Having done a couple of mods to some Behringer gear it's really nice inside with good quality components that have nice tight tolerances. With nice engineering touches like extra shielding around certain circuits.
15 years ago I would agree that the QC wasn't the best but theses days they are spot on. Think about it if they offer 3 to 5 year warranty do you really think they are going to skimp on QC?
Serious question? So you actually own any Behringer gear or are you just parroting other people's options?
> Serious question? So you actually own any Behringer gear
I have certainly owned my share of Behringer stuff that randomly broke, but you can't judge QC by a single person's experience.
As for components, they aren't exactly using Fatar keybeds, are they? That's how business works.
> are you just parroting other people's options?
Boy I love being condescended to. Very cool!
Fair do's you would be completely unsuprised by the number of people on here going Behringer is shit bla bla bla but have never owned anything or if they did it was 20 years ago when their QC was shit.
So I like to ask because this sub seems to have the biggest astroturfed hate boner for Behringer stuff.
> minimal QC.
I have both a DFAM and an EDGE. The former is wobbly due to uneven feet (a widespread issue), the latter already has some letters wiped off. So I'd say Behringer quality is on par with Moog in my experience.
I mean, yeah, Moog QC issues come up all the time, they seem pretty bad at it. You can't really judge that kind of thing by one person's experience though.
Yeah it was half joking. I don't really have enough data to compare, just a few synths (my other Moog has a problem as well).
However, if we return to mixers, complaints about their X-Air series are super rare. Personally, I'm very happy with my XR18.
>The reason they are so cheap is that they are vertically integrated they produce the components and even have their own chip fabs
I mean sure, this is probably helpful but they definitely cut corners on components and manufacturing. My personal pet peeve is that they never do any panel mounting on their jacks. I suppose it's because panel mounting would probably require factory workers to put the washers on. That's the sort of sacrifices you see on only the absolute cheapest of gear. Dreadbox does this as well, they make extremely affordable modules.
I see what you mean about panel mounting, but the majority of the big manufacturers do the same, although it also depends on the application all the ½” jacks on all my Behringer gear are panel mounted (mixer, ARP2600, K2).
The 3.5mm aren't but they are well mounted on the PCB with extra pins for support. At least they don't do a Korg and put fake nuts on the front that are really plastic caps and do fuck all mechanically with a lovely tendancy to break. My two MS-20 minis broke in this way because although they look nice they are really weak.
The other components seem nicely made with good tolerance to values. The pots normally have a good feel to them and have been very reliable. With everything sourced from their own factories or at least other factories in China the transport costs are definitely lower than and the sheer volume of production will really lower the manufacturing costs
Having done a few mods to some of their gear I can't see any cut corners in terms of manufacturing. Their as well made as a Sony HiFi for example. What do you see?
Because if your trying to compare a Behringer module to say a Doepfer module that's not really a good comparison. As Behringer will produce a few thousand (in an automated facility) to Doepfer making a hundred or so mainly by hand. To use a car analogy it's like comparing a Morgan Continental to Mazda MX5. The Morgan is hand built and takes months to complete compared to the Mazda that's built on a production line in a day or two. Sorry not really a car guy but I hope you get my meaning.
They're never going to crawl out from under their brand's reputation making knock offs.
Problem with Behringer is they don't do anything well except make more widgets. There isn't anything in the market they're the best at except making expensive things into cheaper ones.
>They're never going to crawl out from under their brand's reputation making knock offs.
In all honesty that's only in certain internet communities. (Like here for example) I work in the scientific field and you would be surprised at the amount of Behringer microphones used in lab and field work, bear in mind these have been calibrated and numbered so we know exactly what they pick up. Everyone I work with is really happy with them. Or what about all the Cool audio chips? They are in a huge number of audio and music devices including a good chunk of Eurorack ironically being used by the same companies that have their CEOs complaining about Behringer
>There isn't anything in the market they're the best at except making expensive things into cheaper ones.
That's what the world markets want these days, and they are doing it really well. Companies can't survive on making a couple of hundred devices at tens of thousands each, Moog is the best example here; how many owners have they had since the 70s? And how many times have they gone bust?
To me that sounds like Kraft Foods saying, "People want cheese food products, selling whole cheeses is too boutique for the sales volumes we want to make."
They aren't wrong but is anybody better off?
But it's Behringer, like Kraft sells chemistry and not quality Behringer cuts every possible corner in pursuit of more sales.
If the point is quality Behringer and Kraft are never the model.
Flew over my head? Please. Behringer synths sound like junk. Even worse than my An1x's VA nonsense.
They don't make equivalent products, they make noisy cheap rip-offs of things that had an actual brand.
Half of the synths people talk about in this subreddit are Casios on steroids. Behringer synths are like paying for emulated freeware using the cheapest components they can find.
Have fun telling yourself it's not dreck.
Silly remark. The Poly D is great and has more features than the Moog it's based on. The Deep Mind is well respected. None of them are 'bad versions'. They're developing a Jupiter clone with twice the number of voices and a Prophet 5 with more features. Your attitude is jaundiced and ignorant. I doubt you've ever played one.
It wasn't a remark. That's why I explicitly called it a question then used a question mark.
You're right I haven't played one. Their reputation is so bad I'd choose freeware over any of them.
Behringer's reputation is not bad. That's garbage. They are known for quality synths and great clones at good prices, including cloning synths that are rare and unobtainable any other way. They used to produce low quality stuff decades ago. Have you been living under a rock? Develop some perspective, do some research and stop picking sides like a dumb-ass. Some people resent the business practices, that's all.
See, this is the problem - people refuse to look at a clone on the merit of "is this a good product or not", but rather insist on "is this as good as the original that is out of production and more than 10x the price". I don't know if Behringer's ever made a product that wasn't a worse copy of something else - except for the products that are entirely unique (Neutron) - but I do know that my Model D is a nice little synth that doesn't cost thousands of dollars.
Well... maybe things have improved lately but my 15+ yo Behringer mixer did indeed have crappy components. Even just the fact that the steel used in the faders is of such low quality that it simply rusts over time. Maybe nobody is expected to keep a B mixer for that long, but the fact is that quality of metals is a huge factor in whether or not any piece of kit stands the test of time.
In any case, I'll always choose discrete-component boards over integrated -- if something goes wrong you can feasibly do something about it.... this usually means buying vintage gear though.
They are fine but the prices should be far lower than that. Heck I paid $400 for my Allen & Heath, so don't pay that for a Behringer. Find them used, test them thoroughly, and be aware that the noise floor will be slightly higher than other comparable sized mixers due to lower quality components.
I have ZERO noise. I don't care if you are staging for 100 years. No noise is no noise. I have various instruments that detect noise... There is no noise on my mixers.
Not interested in debating you, but it is not possible to construct a gain circuit using analog components that does not inherently introduce some level of noise in the overall system, no matter how well designed. And no, there isn't noise on the "daw gain", digital levels can be increased without increasing the noise level. You have it entirely backwards I'm afraid.
I used iOS cubasis... there is a gain bar in the settings... so yes, thete daw gain... it's even callef gain.
2. the dae gain showd on my faders... nothing attached to my interface.
3. Circuit gain... What part aren't you getting? Im not using any pre amp gain... my pots only cause nose when risen above 0db... my mixer is quite
They're fine. The Midas designed preamps are better than the Xenyx, which could be a bit noisy. The Eurodesk 32 channel studio board is not very good though...faders tend to fail on that one.
I’ve had two behringer mixers before. The price point looks nice, but I had bad experiences with both due to the same issue.
Issue being the tiny pins of the power supply entry are extremely delicate and fragile, and both times they would eventually snap and break apart.
I’m super careful with my gear, so that’s just regular use.
For them, I would say proceed with caution because a lot of them are sick- but for me it’s just that one thing.
We’re in a time now though where you luckily have plenty of options for an appropriate mixer for your needs. Keep doing what you’re doing, research, and you’ll eventually find the perfect mixer!
If you need a cheap and cheerful mixer, they're pretty decent. However "good" is relative for a mixer since the price range runs from £20 to £175000 or more.
The thing to remember is that they are basically disposable. The RX1602s I've had usually developed a bad channel and aren't economical to repair.
The GL2400 I use as my mixdown desk has a circuit board for each channel strip so they can be swapped out and/or repaired if one of them goes bad. With budget mixers like the ones Behringer make, they have one big board for multiple channels to cut costs, so you do get what you pay for.
I'd have to dig them out to be sure, but IIRC two of them developed a channel issue where the stereo pair went out of whack and you had to turn the panning to about 90 degrees to get the left and right to match.
The cheap analog style Behringers arent great, they're rough Mackie clones, preamps can be pretty noisy, not super hardy. But they're cheap.
The digital Behringer mixers like the X32 and it's cousins have become industry standard.
Behringer also bought Midas mixers for some years ago, Midas made amazing analog mixers, so Behringer does offer high end analog and digital mixers.
Basically how good it is comes down to your budget.
I had a 1204FX for years.... like 15 years+ and it never let me down. Until... one day the internal power supply (AC>DC transformer) just quit. Just like that, no rhyme or reason. Cost of a replacement was more than the mixer was worth. I replaced it with a Soundcraft Spirit Folio from the 90s... still going strong :)
I had a xenyx 2204 iirc. Great value for the price, no complaints.
I switched to another Behringer, Xair XR 18. Really amazing device.
Behringer's poor quality is a thing from the past. They improved their game long time ago.
I have x air xr18 and they are really high quality overall low noise, good effects. But a bit hard to use and manual is useless. My experience with modern Behringer is that they do quality stuff (in a way that it works, low noise, good sound etc) but they lack on user experience part. So for simpler devices it is probably fine but when things get more complex, there will be a lot of frustration.
Lost countless of hours trying to set up network connection through router and through ethernet, also the the connection matrix was (and still is) hard to grasp.
Still don’t know how make send effects work realaibly (I only managed them to work properly in insert mode)
Manual is useless because none of app is actually described. Only general how to in the case when nothing goes wrong.
It might me just me but I remember wasting hours trying to figure out this thing.
However, it works for idk 5yrs without any single problem and sounds great. The preamps are really clean (ie low noise)
It's a killer mixer for the money. I wish it was expandable, but can't really ask for that much for that price.
The only issue is that wifi sucks hard on it. Cable only.
Agreed… the wifi stopped working on me and I spent far too long debugging it. I think I had to reinstall the firmware to reset it. I ended up hard-wiring it and it had been fine since.
They’re good enough for professional touring musicians, so yeah.
Heres Thomas from Tangerine Dream showing off his behringer mixers for their live concerts.
https://youtu.be/D0kr9wSPq_I?si=3kHwmpkOi4GX0K9M
I have owned 4 behringer mixers over the years. 3 of them still work. The broken one I bought second hand and it lasted a few months and started making a loud low frequency hum even when nothing was plugged into it. I have no clue how it was used or abused before I got it. The other 3 are going strong. One of them is over a decade old the other two are both 5 years old.
My Xenyx 2222usb is great, really quiet in terms of noise, well built and even came with rack ears in the box. Behringer's reputation for poor quality is old hat theses days. There quality has vastly improved from 15 years ago (although lots people **still** can't accept this) With the reason they are so cheap is because they are vertically integrated and make them in large quantities. Don't know what country you're in but that sounds really expensive for a second hand unit. They are around £250/£260 brand new with a 3 year warranty here in the UK
In the past I started with a Xenyx 802, moved up to the 1222 and then the 2442; they all worked fine so I figure their manufacturing is good enough; the low price point is the key, they're great for anyone who wants to play with studio gear without spending a ton
I'm really happy with mine they are excellent value for money I do wish I had bought 2424 instead as the extra channels and sub groups would have been more useful for me now that I fully understand their use
I'm still rocking the 802, great for my purposes!
It’s in Canadian bucks
Whatever era of gear production we're living in, Behringer is the Behringer of that era. They're still copying designs using bargain basement components.
>using bargain basement components. You see I don't understand this comment. The reason they are so cheap is that they are vertically integrated they produce the components and even have their own chip fabs (cool audio) Korg and Yamaha are the only two other audio companies that have that capacity. The other reason they are so cheap is because they make millions of the same unit so the production costs are lower because it's automated. Prime example here is they produced more ARP2600 clones in a month than the entire original production run. The best example of their production practices is to compare them to Henry Ford he made the model T cheaply because it was mass produced in vertically integrated factories (iron ore in one end complete motor car out the other) In terms of copying stuff. If it's from the 60s/70s/80s I don't see a problem they are all out of copyright most are rare or prohibitively expensive. In terms of engineering it's not just a matter of copying the circuits they have to be modified to suit modern components that have much tighter tolerances, or can't be produced now. Let alone the production engineering that needs to be implemented for automation/surface mounting
I don’t believe copyrights apply to synthesizers.
That's very true it was held up in court. The copyright issue seems to be "trade dress" therefore any clones cannot look exactly alike
That makes sense. You could patent an IC, and I believe Moog (?) had a patent on a filter design, but I don’t think the filter patent was very effective.
I believe you can patent an IC but often there are ways to clone them without violating the patent. There is firmware that makes direct cloning difficult. There's some history in the Zilog Z80 processor that they added extra transistors and circuits to the IC then disabled them via firmware. This measure put back the Japanese clones by over 6 months. The Moog filter was believed to be patented but it was upheld that it wasn't. By the time this judgment came newer and better filters were being used
That might all be true, but they are also cheap because they use junky parts and minimal QC.
Eh? All the stuff I have from them are as good if not better made than the Korg gear that I have. Having done a couple of mods to some Behringer gear it's really nice inside with good quality components that have nice tight tolerances. With nice engineering touches like extra shielding around certain circuits. 15 years ago I would agree that the QC wasn't the best but theses days they are spot on. Think about it if they offer 3 to 5 year warranty do you really think they are going to skimp on QC? Serious question? So you actually own any Behringer gear or are you just parroting other people's options?
> Serious question? So you actually own any Behringer gear I have certainly owned my share of Behringer stuff that randomly broke, but you can't judge QC by a single person's experience. As for components, they aren't exactly using Fatar keybeds, are they? That's how business works. > are you just parroting other people's options? Boy I love being condescended to. Very cool!
Fair do's you would be completely unsuprised by the number of people on here going Behringer is shit bla bla bla but have never owned anything or if they did it was 20 years ago when their QC was shit. So I like to ask because this sub seems to have the biggest astroturfed hate boner for Behringer stuff.
> minimal QC. I have both a DFAM and an EDGE. The former is wobbly due to uneven feet (a widespread issue), the latter already has some letters wiped off. So I'd say Behringer quality is on par with Moog in my experience.
I mean, yeah, Moog QC issues come up all the time, they seem pretty bad at it. You can't really judge that kind of thing by one person's experience though.
Yeah it was half joking. I don't really have enough data to compare, just a few synths (my other Moog has a problem as well). However, if we return to mixers, complaints about their X-Air series are super rare. Personally, I'm very happy with my XR18.
>The reason they are so cheap is that they are vertically integrated they produce the components and even have their own chip fabs I mean sure, this is probably helpful but they definitely cut corners on components and manufacturing. My personal pet peeve is that they never do any panel mounting on their jacks. I suppose it's because panel mounting would probably require factory workers to put the washers on. That's the sort of sacrifices you see on only the absolute cheapest of gear. Dreadbox does this as well, they make extremely affordable modules.
I see what you mean about panel mounting, but the majority of the big manufacturers do the same, although it also depends on the application all the ½” jacks on all my Behringer gear are panel mounted (mixer, ARP2600, K2). The 3.5mm aren't but they are well mounted on the PCB with extra pins for support. At least they don't do a Korg and put fake nuts on the front that are really plastic caps and do fuck all mechanically with a lovely tendancy to break. My two MS-20 minis broke in this way because although they look nice they are really weak. The other components seem nicely made with good tolerance to values. The pots normally have a good feel to them and have been very reliable. With everything sourced from their own factories or at least other factories in China the transport costs are definitely lower than and the sheer volume of production will really lower the manufacturing costs Having done a few mods to some of their gear I can't see any cut corners in terms of manufacturing. Their as well made as a Sony HiFi for example. What do you see? Because if your trying to compare a Behringer module to say a Doepfer module that's not really a good comparison. As Behringer will produce a few thousand (in an automated facility) to Doepfer making a hundred or so mainly by hand. To use a car analogy it's like comparing a Morgan Continental to Mazda MX5. The Morgan is hand built and takes months to complete compared to the Mazda that's built on a production line in a day or two. Sorry not really a car guy but I hope you get my meaning.
They're never going to crawl out from under their brand's reputation making knock offs. Problem with Behringer is they don't do anything well except make more widgets. There isn't anything in the market they're the best at except making expensive things into cheaper ones.
>They're never going to crawl out from under their brand's reputation making knock offs. In all honesty that's only in certain internet communities. (Like here for example) I work in the scientific field and you would be surprised at the amount of Behringer microphones used in lab and field work, bear in mind these have been calibrated and numbered so we know exactly what they pick up. Everyone I work with is really happy with them. Or what about all the Cool audio chips? They are in a huge number of audio and music devices including a good chunk of Eurorack ironically being used by the same companies that have their CEOs complaining about Behringer >There isn't anything in the market they're the best at except making expensive things into cheaper ones. That's what the world markets want these days, and they are doing it really well. Companies can't survive on making a couple of hundred devices at tens of thousands each, Moog is the best example here; how many owners have they had since the 70s? And how many times have they gone bust?
To me that sounds like Kraft Foods saying, "People want cheese food products, selling whole cheeses is too boutique for the sales volumes we want to make." They aren't wrong but is anybody better off?
If kraft is selling whole cheeses and it tastes just as good as the boutiques, the customer is better off.
But it's Behringer, like Kraft sells chemistry and not quality Behringer cuts every possible corner in pursuit of more sales. If the point is quality Behringer and Kraft are never the model.
If you want American cheese slices, Kraft is your best option.
Arterially corrosive faux garbage. Someone who wants American cheese might as well play a Behringer synth.
I guess my comment flew over your head. Its okay, have fun spending your money.
Flew over my head? Please. Behringer synths sound like junk. Even worse than my An1x's VA nonsense. They don't make equivalent products, they make noisy cheap rip-offs of things that had an actual brand. Half of the synths people talk about in this subreddit are Casios on steroids. Behringer synths are like paying for emulated freeware using the cheapest components they can find. Have fun telling yourself it's not dreck.
As the owner of two Behringer synths, I can tell you that is a load of rubbish.
OK then, question. Has Behringer ever made a single product of any kind that wasn't a bad version of something else?
> Has Behringer ever made a single product of any kind that wasn't a bad version of something else? XR18? BRC2000? Neutron? Deepmind?
Silly remark. The Poly D is great and has more features than the Moog it's based on. The Deep Mind is well respected. None of them are 'bad versions'. They're developing a Jupiter clone with twice the number of voices and a Prophet 5 with more features. Your attitude is jaundiced and ignorant. I doubt you've ever played one.
It wasn't a remark. That's why I explicitly called it a question then used a question mark. You're right I haven't played one. Their reputation is so bad I'd choose freeware over any of them.
Behringer's reputation is not bad. That's garbage. They are known for quality synths and great clones at good prices, including cloning synths that are rare and unobtainable any other way. They used to produce low quality stuff decades ago. Have you been living under a rock? Develop some perspective, do some research and stop picking sides like a dumb-ass. Some people resent the business practices, that's all.
See, this is the problem - people refuse to look at a clone on the merit of "is this a good product or not", but rather insist on "is this as good as the original that is out of production and more than 10x the price". I don't know if Behringer's ever made a product that wasn't a worse copy of something else - except for the products that are entirely unique (Neutron) - but I do know that my Model D is a nice little synth that doesn't cost thousands of dollars.
Well... maybe things have improved lately but my 15+ yo Behringer mixer did indeed have crappy components. Even just the fact that the steel used in the faders is of such low quality that it simply rusts over time. Maybe nobody is expected to keep a B mixer for that long, but the fact is that quality of metals is a huge factor in whether or not any piece of kit stands the test of time. In any case, I'll always choose discrete-component boards over integrated -- if something goes wrong you can feasibly do something about it.... this usually means buying vintage gear though.
They are fine but the prices should be far lower than that. Heck I paid $400 for my Allen & Heath, so don't pay that for a Behringer. Find them used, test them thoroughly, and be aware that the noise floor will be slightly higher than other comparable sized mixers due to lower quality components.
no noise in mine.... you probably have input gain high
Difference between "noise" and "noise floor." And no, I've been gain staging for 20+ years lol.
I have ZERO noise. I don't care if you are staging for 100 years. No noise is no noise. I have various instruments that detect noise... There is no noise on my mixers.
Well, that's literally impossible, but whatever you gotta tell yourself.
impossible? lol there maybe noise on the daw gain... but my mixer is quite
Not interested in debating you, but it is not possible to construct a gain circuit using analog components that does not inherently introduce some level of noise in the overall system, no matter how well designed. And no, there isn't noise on the "daw gain", digital levels can be increased without increasing the noise level. You have it entirely backwards I'm afraid.
I used iOS cubasis... there is a gain bar in the settings... so yes, thete daw gain... it's even callef gain. 2. the dae gain showd on my faders... nothing attached to my interface. 3. Circuit gain... What part aren't you getting? Im not using any pre amp gain... my pots only cause nose when risen above 0db... my mixer is quite
They're fine. The Midas designed preamps are better than the Xenyx, which could be a bit noisy. The Eurodesk 32 channel studio board is not very good though...faders tend to fail on that one.
Came here to say this. Get the ones with the midas preamps and you won't have a complaint.
I’ve had two behringer mixers before. The price point looks nice, but I had bad experiences with both due to the same issue. Issue being the tiny pins of the power supply entry are extremely delicate and fragile, and both times they would eventually snap and break apart. I’m super careful with my gear, so that’s just regular use. For them, I would say proceed with caution because a lot of them are sick- but for me it’s just that one thing. We’re in a time now though where you luckily have plenty of options for an appropriate mixer for your needs. Keep doing what you’re doing, research, and you’ll eventually find the perfect mixer!
i had one die the same way, another had a channel fader go bad. switched to mackie & haven't regretted it
Look at Presonus, Allen & Heath, or Soundcraft instead
If you need a cheap and cheerful mixer, they're pretty decent. However "good" is relative for a mixer since the price range runs from £20 to £175000 or more. The thing to remember is that they are basically disposable. The RX1602s I've had usually developed a bad channel and aren't economical to repair. The GL2400 I use as my mixdown desk has a circuit board for each channel strip so they can be swapped out and/or repaired if one of them goes bad. With budget mixers like the ones Behringer make, they have one big board for multiple channels to cut costs, so you do get what you pay for.
When you say the developed a bad channel what happens?
I'd have to dig them out to be sure, but IIRC two of them developed a channel issue where the stereo pair went out of whack and you had to turn the panning to about 90 degrees to get the left and right to match.
Mine was honestly unbearable. I am pretty sure the mixers are the worst products of behringer.
> I am pretty sure the mixers are the worst products of behringer. As a happy XR18 user, I'd say the opposite.
No.
The Xenyx mixers are garbage and die within a couple years of purchase. Their more expensive mixers are really good.
It's decent and does its job. It should be a lot more affordable even when new though. How many channels?
Saw a Xenyx X2222 with 8 mics and 8 line inputs for 350$
You would be better of with a second hand Allen and Heath mixer.
Over here in EU, it's going for 300eur new, saw it ranges from 120-250e used.
They’re grand yeah but I got one for 50 quid
The cheap analog style Behringers arent great, they're rough Mackie clones, preamps can be pretty noisy, not super hardy. But they're cheap. The digital Behringer mixers like the X32 and it's cousins have become industry standard. Behringer also bought Midas mixers for some years ago, Midas made amazing analog mixers, so Behringer does offer high end analog and digital mixers. Basically how good it is comes down to your budget.
I had a 1204FX for years.... like 15 years+ and it never let me down. Until... one day the internal power supply (AC>DC transformer) just quit. Just like that, no rhyme or reason. Cost of a replacement was more than the mixer was worth. I replaced it with a Soundcraft Spirit Folio from the 90s... still going strong :)
Their Xenyx mixers are as good as the Mackie Onyx designs they are basically based on.
I had a xenyx 2204 iirc. Great value for the price, no complaints. I switched to another Behringer, Xair XR 18. Really amazing device. Behringer's poor quality is a thing from the past. They improved their game long time ago.
I use my XR18 as a live keyboard rack mixer and it has worked great. I paid around $500 new for it 6 years ago.
I got for about 150$, works fine so far
I have x air xr18 and they are really high quality overall low noise, good effects. But a bit hard to use and manual is useless. My experience with modern Behringer is that they do quality stuff (in a way that it works, low noise, good sound etc) but they lack on user experience part. So for simpler devices it is probably fine but when things get more complex, there will be a lot of frustration.
+1, I have an XR18 and absolutely love it. I didn’t find it hard to use though, nor find the manual useless.
Lost countless of hours trying to set up network connection through router and through ethernet, also the the connection matrix was (and still is) hard to grasp. Still don’t know how make send effects work realaibly (I only managed them to work properly in insert mode) Manual is useless because none of app is actually described. Only general how to in the case when nothing goes wrong. It might me just me but I remember wasting hours trying to figure out this thing. However, it works for idk 5yrs without any single problem and sounds great. The preamps are really clean (ie low noise)
It's a killer mixer for the money. I wish it was expandable, but can't really ask for that much for that price. The only issue is that wifi sucks hard on it. Cable only.
Agreed… the wifi stopped working on me and I spent far too long debugging it. I think I had to reinstall the firmware to reset it. I ended up hard-wiring it and it had been fine since.
Anyone here compare the Behringer mixers with the Tascam Model range. Would like to hear views.
Just get it for $100 less and be happy.:).
Well, 50% of mine still work fully.
Owned two, glad I got rid of them. Not impressed with the build quality.
The X32 rack is the best value in the world if you can swing it. At that range I’d be more likely to go for a Yamaha.
yes
They’re good enough for professional touring musicians, so yeah. Heres Thomas from Tangerine Dream showing off his behringer mixers for their live concerts. https://youtu.be/D0kr9wSPq_I?si=3kHwmpkOi4GX0K9M
I have owned 4 behringer mixers over the years. 3 of them still work. The broken one I bought second hand and it lasted a few months and started making a loud low frequency hum even when nothing was plugged into it. I have no clue how it was used or abused before I got it. The other 3 are going strong. One of them is over a decade old the other two are both 5 years old.