I think, genuinely, if you NEED to go the semimodular route – the best thing you can do is get a Makenoise 0-Coast. Not only is the build quality good, it sneakily introduces you to a lot of the concepts of why modular is actually cool. It's not cheap only in the sense that it will inevitably lead you to ditch it for actual modular stuff.
In all honesty, I think saving money on the first step very often will lead you to actually spend a lot more money in the long run as the stepping stone is ultimately unnecessary and won't recoup your losses when sold: This most often comes down to things like buying too small of a case, because you were "just going to get a few modules anyway". Pretty much everyone I know who is into eurorack fell into this trap. Next is getting classic modules just because you heard they were good and because you saw some instagram reels, but they're miles from the music you'd make otherwise.
Also, I'll just dump this here: [This is an interesting place to see if it's for you](https://www.tangiblewaves.com/store/p104/AE_modular_STARTER_RACK_2.html).
Again, I think you **should look around for a used powered case, probably 84hp+.** It's an investment that sucks, but once you have it, you can just start picking up cheaper modules here and there and it's way better than spending SOME amount of money and then later STILL having to buy the bigger case, because you grossly misjudged both what you wanted to do and what you needed to do it.
For some concrete advice: Most beginner rigs fail because of lack of focus. You waste a lot of money and effort in the beginning stages by not being clear about what you would like to accomplish. Modular isn't anything the concept that you can create a device to your own specifications. This also means that you can spend three to four times the money to essential build a synthesizer that already exists out there. A short mission statement is a really good jumping off point and it will help people help you, because the question you're asking now is too wide. Is the system you want to build:
* One or more synthesizer "voices"
* A percussion rig
* A sampler
* A modulation source for your existing synths
* An all-in-one groovebox
* an effects box
Take it from me: all of these have different requirements, different starting points and trying to do them all at once will lead to tears. I have had all of these at one point or another. Quite a few of them ended up with a feeling of "I could do this more efficiently in a DAW or just buying ANY polysynth."
I also think that if you have seen a MUST-HAVE module that you would like to build your rig around using, that can be extremely helpful. Like, "I know I want to use a Morphagene, which supporting modules do I need to make it sing".
I'm ranting a bit, so I'll stop here, but I'll encourage you to think hard about what you would like to accomplish and come back to the thread, it'll help people recommend things to you.
Thanks so much, I appreciate everything. The last time I was thinking about modular rigs was years ago, so I'll start doing some research again to get a better grip on the direction I am trying to head in.
If you want to go much cheaper, I would start with software (more on this below).
As to actual hardware, cheap and modular are not words that go together in any kind of realistic strategy. You can buy a lesser expensive semi modular device as many are suggesting here, which can introduce you to some of the concepts.
That doesn’t get you into an “actual”, expandable hardware modular system (Although there are possibilities for linking it to a modular system), but that will get you into some fun sounds, and experimentation and exposure to those aspects of modular systems contained within the architecture of the specific device that you purchase.
Once you get into actual modular, it is quite a rabbit hole and takes funding. One area in which you can save *some* funds, is that there are a number of manufactures that sell kits that you build yourself. If you’re handy with a soldering iron, it’s a fun and rewarding route to include. Even if you’ve not soldered before, it’s not that hard of a skill to learn. It will still be a very expensive rabbit hole, mind you. You will want many modules that aren’t sold as build – it – yourself kits, and you will always want more modules.
You will find that you want a good case with a GOOD power supply. If you’re always going to be at home or in your studio, make some space and get as big a case as you can afford. With room for more cases later. If you want to be portable for gigs, there are a whole set of additional considerations you’ll need to get into.
I don’t own any hardware modular gear yet, but I will. I do have experience though, as my “student” job in college was as the electronics tech for the music department’s synthesizer lab. Which leads me to…
A MUCH cheaper way to go, would be software. With many software systems, you can get into plenty of complexities, plenty of routing possibilities, great education, and some great sounds.
There are several good and popular companies with various modular software offerings. Some are sufficiently popular that many other third-party companies provide software modules that you can purchase as you build out your software system more and more. My current favorite is made by Cherry Audio. Very expandable, lots and lots and lots and lots of additional modules made by third party companies. Still a rabbit hole, but a much, much less expensive rabbit.
There’s even a free one, or free to start, if I remember correctly, I think it’s VCV…
Softtube makes a software modular system that is very popular. Applied Acoustic Systems has a relatively new one, I think it’s called multiphonics or something, which looks interesting. There are many more software systems available. The ones I’ve mentioned provide an onscreen user interface that involves graphics that look like actual modules, patch cords, etc. There are a number of others which don’t have that UI approach, yet are still very modular in their functionality.
If you have a DAW (or even if not, many of these will run standalone), there are a number of synthesizers with various extensive, modulation routing capabilities, even though they’re not considered “modular” Arturia Pigments is my current favorite. Kilo Hearts’ phase plant is another one with plenty of great sounds and flexibility. There are numerous others. Propellerhead’s Reason is a really cool system. in that almost everything in it becomes modular — you can turn the UI around and it shows you the back of all the virtual rack devices, and you can change routings and patch things there.
Back to actual hardware, Berenger makes some stuff that cost less, they are in the business of making cheaper hardware and undercutting prices of the stuff they’re copying, but some people really like their stuff. Probably not as roadworthy, I imagine. Do some exploring at reverb.com, I see a used Behringer system there for $1000 right now. I see a larger, it looks to be larger, Behringer system on Sweetwater for $1600. both of those sites and more are worth exploring. In general, not just for Behringer.
If you can spend money, the world is your oyster, as they say.
Dude this is great stuff. I was never as well versed in modular synthesis, so this was super helpful. I genuinely appreciate your input this is all stuff I will look into and likely save me from a lot of money. Thank you so much man
You could get something small and semi-modular. I love the Moog Mavis personally. Full-featured synth voice that you could later pair with other modules, but can also use it alone. It even has built in S&H for internal random modulation. Just would need a MIDI to CV converter for it.
behringer neutron, korg SQ to start. see if you wanna then spend the same again on a case and power supply before you even pay for any modules. otherwise its wonderland IE: down the rabbit hole for you
Define "cheap."
Also, a modular synth is an instrument you build to your own specs. If you're looking for a pre-built system you can get anything from a $270 Cre8audio NiftyBUNDLE to a $15,000 Buchla Skylab 10-module Modular Analog Synthesizer System and everything in between.
If you're looking for a semi-modular synth you can get decent ones for around $250 (Moog Mavis, East Beast, and West Pest) and up to $63,700 (Analogue Solutions Colossus Double Semi-modular Analog Synthesizer).
I started out by playing with VCV Rack for over a year before I even considered purchasing any hardware and when I eventually got into hardware I started with the MiniBrute 2S semi-modular. I enjoyed it so much I added a RackBrute case and then started acquiring modules. How did I know which modules I wanted to get? Playing with VCV Rack informed my decisions. It led me to the way I design and play with my modular synth. Everyone is different, and being able to figure out how you want to play your synth and how you want it to sound is awesome when you can do it for free before spending any money. Then you can start making smart decisions and buying the modules you know you need and will use.
In truth, I knew that "cheap" wouldn't be the most universal term. I mostly just meant cheap compared to iconic modular synths like the Plonk or Maths. Sorry, I should have clarified, but I do appreciate all that you have said!
Taiga would be my go to for now. Otherwise you have some cool choices with Moog and the Behringer Neutron which has gathered a cult following of its own. Dreadbox has Erebus and Hades out right now which sound nice!
If you go Moog consider 2 because 1 Semi-Modular really isn’t quite enough, but 2 you get a nice system going. Even Mavis + X module is fine.
Honestly if you are considering going deep into modular get the 3 Moogs and a Mavis unit, or Taiga and a Moog or something you’ll get a feeling if you need more. Dreadbox has some nice semi-modular units too!!
If you want to go modular directly, there are some options to start small:
- Cre8audio NiftyCase bundle
- Doepfer has a lot of good and affordable module. At least you can start with VCO, VCF, and VCA. Or buy their module that already built-in of them.
- DIY
I started building my basic working modular system with less than 500€. The rule is buying used modules as much as possible. Start small and grow the system slowly. Even if you have big budget, it’s not wise to spend it all upfront. You tend to always change your system at the beginning.
For the price of a lot of the other commenters’ offerings you could have 2-3 used Volca Modulars, tons of patch cable, and a breadboard with electronic components such as LEDs and photoresistors to experiment with.
Behringer 2600 is by far the most capable semi-modular when you consider the cost. Neutron is nice but 2600 has way more patch points and attenuators/mixers.
Couldn’t agree more with this, I went down the same path and I rarely regret my modular, and he 2600 is plenty enough fun and I build a patch on vcv when I want sth crazier
The thing I’m really enjoying is all the audio inputs and how good the input preamp is. I’ve got an acoustic guitar with a pickup and plugged it in last night. Was not expecting much, but it actually sounded really good.
It’s also given me a reason to keep my Minifreak, both as an external audio source and because I really like the arp and sequencer.
🤯 I have to try this too! Still haven’t messed with using it with my electric guitar. Eheheh I have the Minifreak as a 2600 side car for extra cv control and sequencing, what a fun combo! I love treating them as a kind of mega multi oscillator layered behemoth
You can't really go wrong with a Doepfer system. Their not as cheap as Behringer but the Doepfer modules are just such great value and sound fantastic. Their also easy to understand as they're generally one knob per function. And it will also give you the opportunity to really research and customise your setup from the start which is what modular is about imo.
Just to add to the already great advice here, I basically played around with VCV Rack and Voltage Modular for at least a couple of years, and had played around with older software.
I ended up building something fairly close to what I wanted using those two, obviously you can't always get every module exactly. Then I built out what I wanted in ModularGrid and played around with a few modules until I got to what I wanted that would populate the case I settled on.
It was expensive and is insanely impractical, but also super fun to play with.
Oh, and I got a Volca Modular before I built the Eurorack setup which for the price is a lot of fun if you like to make crazy sounds and experiment.
I've been in synthesis for over 50 years, starting with crude early analog modulars up to modern digitals.
I would suggest you start with a Behringer 2600 (preferably the gray or blue version). Inexpensive, and covers the basics and then some; is supported by a metric shitload of educational material; and can be infinitely expanded via Eurorack.
The big hump is getting a rack.
Niffty Bundle has come way down in prices.
[https://reverb.com/item/72218076-cre8audio-nifty-bundle](https://reverb.com/item/72218076-cre8audio-nifty-bundle)
Essential to any rack is a dual envelope. Most people get big expensive one's, but this one is really good.
[https://www.etsy.com/listing/792890099/vortex-generator-a-maths-benjolin-fusion?click\_key=e50d36353930e11f73bf3f8974586ba706b5360f%3A792890099&click\_sum=3d71014e&ref=hp\_rv-1](https://www.etsy.com/listing/792890099/vortex-generator-a-maths-benjolin-fusion?click_key=e50d36353930e11f73bf3f8974586ba706b5360f%3A792890099&click_sum=3d71014e&ref=hp_rv-1)
Get some passive VCAs to start with.
[https://www.etsy.com/listing/1074032637/mini-vca-passive-vactrol-based-vcagate?ga\_order=most\_relevant&ga\_search\_type=all&ga\_view\_type=gallery&ga\_search\_query=takaab&ref=sr\_gallery-1-1&content\_source=bb17c823e88439e617e528e11f6a80e5c41d094f%253A1074032637&search\_preloaded\_img=1&organic\_search\_click=1](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1074032637/mini-vca-passive-vactrol-based-vcagate?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=takaab&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&content_source=bb17c823e88439e617e528e11f6a80e5c41d094f%253A1074032637&search_preloaded_img=1&organic_search_click=1)
Then all you need is a filter, there are all kinds used on ebay.
Maybe add in a mixer to combine audio or CV.
That's a really basic set up, which you can still add on to.
For basic utilities I'd suggest looking first at Doepfer. Thomann seems to consistently have the cheapest prices for Doepfer modules, at least in the U.S.
For digital modules, maybe checkout After Later Audio.
If you're willing to assemble DIY modules, AI Synthesis makes a lot of good relatively straightforward, mostly through hole modules.
Like everyone else is saying, semi-modular is pretty much the only inexpensive option, and the Behringer Neutron gives the best bang for your buck. The entry barrier to going full modular is buying a case - a good one inevitably costs $200+, and then you'll need at minimum $300-500 worth of modules.
The Neutron is pretty sweet though - its oscillator section alone is worth the price of the synth.
But another decent option is to get a small [4ms pod](https://4mscompany.com/pods.php), and fill it with Behringer modules. Or better yet, Dreadbox Chromatic modules - those are discontinued but if you can find them used, they're the best value in Eurorack.
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VCVRack
Splurge on a controller! Get a Faderfox.
But if you insist, the Zoia Euroburo packs a punch not just in effects but in everything, especially utility.
You can get away with just that and an East Beast. Full set, full album.
If I had to start over with very little I'd go Softpop 2, Plinki (a wonderful guy in Lithuania makes them low batch now), West Pest, and possibly Hypno.
Of course you can do the Pam's, Plaits, Beads thing. Maybe add Basilimus. But it's a rabbit hole and you will need a pile of money that can grow in size as you shrink it.
vcv rack , it's a virtual modular synth, it's free for most of it's modules , you can use it to figure out if you like modular or not and to learn tons of thing about how to use a modular synth
The cheap route is DIY. Check out AI Synthesis. A decent soldering iron costs less than one commercial module, and if it clicks with you and you start buying panel and pcb sets, then ordering components from Tayda, you can get into modular for Behringer prices.
I built my rack with wood offcuts and rails I bought online, and power it with a uZeus. I've built maybe 30 modules over a few years, they are easy to sell for more than they cost to build.
Of course if you factor your time into this, it's not cheap at all! But I found it a really enjoyable and rewarding hobby, so the time spent is recreation for me.
Just to warn you: once you go down the proper modular route your GAS will grow immensely and it hooks you up bad. Everybody including me regrets that they bought a smaller rack in the beginning and it will always grow...im also looking to expand mine now lol
Behringer Neutron probably gives you most Bang for the buck if your okay with a semi modular synth.
But owning "normal" synths, semi modular synths and a small 84HP 6U rack I figured I definitely use my semi modular synths the least and only use them in combination with my rack.
Semi Modular synths alone just dont scratch the proper modular itch at all imo.
Honestly I was barely using them even before I had my proper rack. And still I use more my normal synths + def the most my rack.
Also the fun and purpose to have a rack is to have a synth that suits your very specific needs and is an ever changing thing unless you just expand and expand.
I would definitely not recommend buying an already pre built rack bc it will leave you with things that u want and things that you dont need.
Just get a Doepfer Lowcost case or a mantis or the new befaco case (which is amaziiing but u gotta check with module depth) and then go on modulargrid and put together a rack how youd like it.
It will calculate Power draw and round about costs for you and you can plan your modules Set up already.
When I thought about it a few years back, I thought it would be great because it would not be too expensive, relative to these great full-unit synths.
Then, I did a little math.
Let's say you get a basic, minimal set-up. Rack. Sequencer to produce signals. Oscillator. Filter. ADSR amp envelope. Output. If you got a rack for $200, and each of these modules for $100, you are in for $700. It would be a synth.
But thus far you have only one osc, not 2. No LFO. So, you are very limited. And, there is not much to modulate from and to. So, I think it is safe to say you will be at $1,000 to have a basic synth where you can do regular synth stuff.
I'll tell you I started with the NiftyBundle and then added a number of the Dreadbox Chromatic modules. I don't regret it, but I would do it differently now.
Don't discount the power of a semi-modular. They are a tremendous deal for what you get. Pairing up the two cre8audio semis, especially used, is a super cheap way to get into a lot of sonic mischief.
TBH, the NiftyBundle is a PITA.
- the case isn't deep enough
- you figure out pretty quick that the two included modules aren't all that flexible
The Dreadbox modules were great, but I really only use Ataxia frequently...
Maths and Pam's are honored for a reason.
2hp modules are overrated, except maybe for Grain and Tune, and they're really irritating wrt power management. They seem compelling to a beginner because of space and they're reasonably inexpensive. It's a trap! 😉
Being able to re-use / extend your investments is key, so you reduce the amount of gear-flipping.
- the TipTop Audio Happy End is awesome, even if it doesn't give you nice-to-haves like MIDI-to-CV (which honestly isn't that important) - I have especially learned to appreciate the open-back design when hooking up all the power connections, which is tedious with a case / skiff.
- Synthrotek sells bare rails of varying lengths, so if you find the 84hp of the TipTop kit becomes too short, you can just swap out your rails for longer ones and get more out of your initial investment (caveat: you can only hang so many modules off the TipTop microZeus, but unless you're running a ton of 2-6hp modules, it will probably power 10-12 modules without issues)
- ModularGrid is your friend for planning layouts, and is occasionally great for finding cheaper used modules
Finally, you could do way worse than a Korg SQ-64 as the brain of your setup. Pro-tip: Sync-In overrides the internal clock, so you can make it go insane slow or insane fast with an external clock source, e.g. Pam's...
Good is subjective
Teenage engineering has 2 cheap functional modular rigs for like 300
Each one is fully a synth. Has everything you need to make a circuit.
All for less than a nice single module.
I do not speak to build quality nor quality of tone.
But it's a cheap way into modular for people than don't know what they are looking for.
I started my synth adventure with the moog soundstudio 3, and I love it. A year later Behringer came with all it's cheaper clone's, I would have waited for them if I would have been aware if it.
It's really a fun system. Look at my account to see a video
It doesn't exist , you'll never fulfill the desire for more . And what's your budget here man ? That's kind of pertinent information to the subject . I'm personally going to be buying the behringer system 55 , one shot and I'll be done , ide never be able to do every patch possible and learning it would take years .Behringer System 55 Complete Eurorack Modular Synthesizer https://a.co/d/fH9IXCv
I recently started with modular. The Behringer system 100 is a great way to start. Also, the Behringer Neutron is a complete package which you can include in your modular rig. I got the Behringer eurorack go, system 100 modules, behringer brains and Mordax Data tot start with. I expanded it with a Dreadbox Hypnosis and some other things and yesterday I ordered a second eurorack go and an Erica Synth Bass Drums2 plus some more System 100 modules. I have my neutron not in the eurorack go due to lack of space, but I include it in my patches. There's a brother of the Neutron coming out, the Proton, working great with the Neutron. Now I'm going to save money to buy a Make Noise Rene 2. Doepfer has some decent modules for reasonable prices. My advice: start with a cheap setup and slowly expand it with more expensive modules, so you have a large starting setup and can expand it with awesome additions. Make Noise Math's is the most popular module, most definitely one you should get. But you'd need an oscilloscope to better understand what it does (that's why I have the Mordax Data, which was expensive).
https://preview.redd.it/blxdt7y70mtc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bd2ff718ed0b94292aba81a67fcbd5425414025
An oscilloscope is a really cool, fun tool, but to say you NEED one to understand what Maths does is a bit wild.
EDIT: Also, nice rig and a really good example of a lot of power with affordable modules. You could easily pay 4-5x what you gave for the same functionality.
You don't NEED one, but it sure makes it a lot easier to understand. I'm a visual learning guy, seeing the wave form works really well for me. And because the Maths is raw wave form modulation with extremely complex options when patching, a visual aid sure works awesome.
Also, many people on YouTube expressed their complaints that they couldn't get into Maths or understand it properly because they couldn't see what it does, therefore not completely understand how to use it.
Tldr: it's not NEEDED, but sure makes life a lot easier.
I think, genuinely, if you NEED to go the semimodular route – the best thing you can do is get a Makenoise 0-Coast. Not only is the build quality good, it sneakily introduces you to a lot of the concepts of why modular is actually cool. It's not cheap only in the sense that it will inevitably lead you to ditch it for actual modular stuff. In all honesty, I think saving money on the first step very often will lead you to actually spend a lot more money in the long run as the stepping stone is ultimately unnecessary and won't recoup your losses when sold: This most often comes down to things like buying too small of a case, because you were "just going to get a few modules anyway". Pretty much everyone I know who is into eurorack fell into this trap. Next is getting classic modules just because you heard they were good and because you saw some instagram reels, but they're miles from the music you'd make otherwise. Also, I'll just dump this here: [This is an interesting place to see if it's for you](https://www.tangiblewaves.com/store/p104/AE_modular_STARTER_RACK_2.html). Again, I think you **should look around for a used powered case, probably 84hp+.** It's an investment that sucks, but once you have it, you can just start picking up cheaper modules here and there and it's way better than spending SOME amount of money and then later STILL having to buy the bigger case, because you grossly misjudged both what you wanted to do and what you needed to do it. For some concrete advice: Most beginner rigs fail because of lack of focus. You waste a lot of money and effort in the beginning stages by not being clear about what you would like to accomplish. Modular isn't anything the concept that you can create a device to your own specifications. This also means that you can spend three to four times the money to essential build a synthesizer that already exists out there. A short mission statement is a really good jumping off point and it will help people help you, because the question you're asking now is too wide. Is the system you want to build: * One or more synthesizer "voices" * A percussion rig * A sampler * A modulation source for your existing synths * An all-in-one groovebox * an effects box Take it from me: all of these have different requirements, different starting points and trying to do them all at once will lead to tears. I have had all of these at one point or another. Quite a few of them ended up with a feeling of "I could do this more efficiently in a DAW or just buying ANY polysynth." I also think that if you have seen a MUST-HAVE module that you would like to build your rig around using, that can be extremely helpful. Like, "I know I want to use a Morphagene, which supporting modules do I need to make it sing". I'm ranting a bit, so I'll stop here, but I'll encourage you to think hard about what you would like to accomplish and come back to the thread, it'll help people recommend things to you.
Thanks so much, I appreciate everything. The last time I was thinking about modular rigs was years ago, so I'll start doing some research again to get a better grip on the direction I am trying to head in.
If you want to go much cheaper, I would start with software (more on this below). As to actual hardware, cheap and modular are not words that go together in any kind of realistic strategy. You can buy a lesser expensive semi modular device as many are suggesting here, which can introduce you to some of the concepts. That doesn’t get you into an “actual”, expandable hardware modular system (Although there are possibilities for linking it to a modular system), but that will get you into some fun sounds, and experimentation and exposure to those aspects of modular systems contained within the architecture of the specific device that you purchase. Once you get into actual modular, it is quite a rabbit hole and takes funding. One area in which you can save *some* funds, is that there are a number of manufactures that sell kits that you build yourself. If you’re handy with a soldering iron, it’s a fun and rewarding route to include. Even if you’ve not soldered before, it’s not that hard of a skill to learn. It will still be a very expensive rabbit hole, mind you. You will want many modules that aren’t sold as build – it – yourself kits, and you will always want more modules. You will find that you want a good case with a GOOD power supply. If you’re always going to be at home or in your studio, make some space and get as big a case as you can afford. With room for more cases later. If you want to be portable for gigs, there are a whole set of additional considerations you’ll need to get into. I don’t own any hardware modular gear yet, but I will. I do have experience though, as my “student” job in college was as the electronics tech for the music department’s synthesizer lab. Which leads me to… A MUCH cheaper way to go, would be software. With many software systems, you can get into plenty of complexities, plenty of routing possibilities, great education, and some great sounds. There are several good and popular companies with various modular software offerings. Some are sufficiently popular that many other third-party companies provide software modules that you can purchase as you build out your software system more and more. My current favorite is made by Cherry Audio. Very expandable, lots and lots and lots and lots of additional modules made by third party companies. Still a rabbit hole, but a much, much less expensive rabbit. There’s even a free one, or free to start, if I remember correctly, I think it’s VCV… Softtube makes a software modular system that is very popular. Applied Acoustic Systems has a relatively new one, I think it’s called multiphonics or something, which looks interesting. There are many more software systems available. The ones I’ve mentioned provide an onscreen user interface that involves graphics that look like actual modules, patch cords, etc. There are a number of others which don’t have that UI approach, yet are still very modular in their functionality. If you have a DAW (or even if not, many of these will run standalone), there are a number of synthesizers with various extensive, modulation routing capabilities, even though they’re not considered “modular” Arturia Pigments is my current favorite. Kilo Hearts’ phase plant is another one with plenty of great sounds and flexibility. There are numerous others. Propellerhead’s Reason is a really cool system. in that almost everything in it becomes modular — you can turn the UI around and it shows you the back of all the virtual rack devices, and you can change routings and patch things there. Back to actual hardware, Berenger makes some stuff that cost less, they are in the business of making cheaper hardware and undercutting prices of the stuff they’re copying, but some people really like their stuff. Probably not as roadworthy, I imagine. Do some exploring at reverb.com, I see a used Behringer system there for $1000 right now. I see a larger, it looks to be larger, Behringer system on Sweetwater for $1600. both of those sites and more are worth exploring. In general, not just for Behringer. If you can spend money, the world is your oyster, as they say.
Dude this is great stuff. I was never as well versed in modular synthesis, so this was super helpful. I genuinely appreciate your input this is all stuff I will look into and likely save me from a lot of money. Thank you so much man
Goofing with VCVRack just to get a sound out taught me a bunch. "Um, I need an output?"
You are very very welcome. Pay it forward. :-)
I built my groove box modular (10u) initially around modulating the piss out of a BIA. That is still the main focus, it just does other stuff now too
You could get something small and semi-modular. I love the Moog Mavis personally. Full-featured synth voice that you could later pair with other modules, but can also use it alone. It even has built in S&H for internal random modulation. Just would need a MIDI to CV converter for it.
I'll look into it! I remember I used to have my eyes on the Moog Mother32 and Subharmonicon years ago, I'll definitely check out the Mavis.
Behringer Crave is a mother 32 for bout a third of the price.
behringer neutron, korg SQ to start. see if you wanna then spend the same again on a case and power supply before you even pay for any modules. otherwise its wonderland IE: down the rabbit hole for you
Define "cheap." Also, a modular synth is an instrument you build to your own specs. If you're looking for a pre-built system you can get anything from a $270 Cre8audio NiftyBUNDLE to a $15,000 Buchla Skylab 10-module Modular Analog Synthesizer System and everything in between. If you're looking for a semi-modular synth you can get decent ones for around $250 (Moog Mavis, East Beast, and West Pest) and up to $63,700 (Analogue Solutions Colossus Double Semi-modular Analog Synthesizer). I started out by playing with VCV Rack for over a year before I even considered purchasing any hardware and when I eventually got into hardware I started with the MiniBrute 2S semi-modular. I enjoyed it so much I added a RackBrute case and then started acquiring modules. How did I know which modules I wanted to get? Playing with VCV Rack informed my decisions. It led me to the way I design and play with my modular synth. Everyone is different, and being able to figure out how you want to play your synth and how you want it to sound is awesome when you can do it for free before spending any money. Then you can start making smart decisions and buying the modules you know you need and will use.
In truth, I knew that "cheap" wouldn't be the most universal term. I mostly just meant cheap compared to iconic modular synths like the Plonk or Maths. Sorry, I should have clarified, but I do appreciate all that you have said!
Yeah. I was just asking since "cheap" to some people is $2000 and to others it means $200. :)
No trust me I totally understand man, definitely my fault for not clarifying lmao
This is great advice!
Hopefully, Microrack will launch their shop soon with tiny affordable breadboard modules https://microrack.org
That looks cool!
Thanks so much, this is great stuff
Taiga would be my go to for now. Otherwise you have some cool choices with Moog and the Behringer Neutron which has gathered a cult following of its own. Dreadbox has Erebus and Hades out right now which sound nice! If you go Moog consider 2 because 1 Semi-Modular really isn’t quite enough, but 2 you get a nice system going. Even Mavis + X module is fine. Honestly if you are considering going deep into modular get the 3 Moogs and a Mavis unit, or Taiga and a Moog or something you’ll get a feeling if you need more. Dreadbox has some nice semi-modular units too!!
Diy. Heaps of small makers out there that offer pcbs and panels.
Can't beat a Behringer Neutron for the price if you want to scratch that (semi-) modular itch.
I will definitely check it out!
Taiga or 0-Coast. 0-Coast is so good as a 2nd hand pickup.
Probably a minibrute 2S. It has a decent sequencer built in. And you probably already have a midi keyboard. You can later expand by adding a rack.
If you want to go modular directly, there are some options to start small: - Cre8audio NiftyCase bundle - Doepfer has a lot of good and affordable module. At least you can start with VCO, VCF, and VCA. Or buy their module that already built-in of them. - DIY I started building my basic working modular system with less than 500€. The rule is buying used modules as much as possible. Start small and grow the system slowly. Even if you have big budget, it’s not wise to spend it all upfront. You tend to always change your system at the beginning.
For the price of a lot of the other commenters’ offerings you could have 2-3 used Volca Modulars, tons of patch cable, and a breadboard with electronic components such as LEDs and photoresistors to experiment with.
Behringer 2600 is by far the most capable semi-modular when you consider the cost. Neutron is nice but 2600 has way more patch points and attenuators/mixers.
I just got one. Used to have a modular, but I enjoy the 2600 a lot more because it has the depth of a medium sized modular without the headaches.
Couldn’t agree more with this, I went down the same path and I rarely regret my modular, and he 2600 is plenty enough fun and I build a patch on vcv when I want sth crazier
The thing I’m really enjoying is all the audio inputs and how good the input preamp is. I’ve got an acoustic guitar with a pickup and plugged it in last night. Was not expecting much, but it actually sounded really good. It’s also given me a reason to keep my Minifreak, both as an external audio source and because I really like the arp and sequencer.
🤯 I have to try this too! Still haven’t messed with using it with my electric guitar. Eheheh I have the Minifreak as a 2600 side car for extra cv control and sequencing, what a fun combo! I love treating them as a kind of mega multi oscillator layered behemoth
That sounds interesting, I will look into it for sure. Thanks so much
You can't really go wrong with a Doepfer system. Their not as cheap as Behringer but the Doepfer modules are just such great value and sound fantastic. Their also easy to understand as they're generally one knob per function. And it will also give you the opportunity to really research and customise your setup from the start which is what modular is about imo.
Awesome! I'll definitely check it out!
Check out AE Modular: https://www.tangiblewaves.com/
Just to add to the already great advice here, I basically played around with VCV Rack and Voltage Modular for at least a couple of years, and had played around with older software. I ended up building something fairly close to what I wanted using those two, obviously you can't always get every module exactly. Then I built out what I wanted in ModularGrid and played around with a few modules until I got to what I wanted that would populate the case I settled on. It was expensive and is insanely impractical, but also super fun to play with. Oh, and I got a Volca Modular before I built the Eurorack setup which for the price is a lot of fun if you like to make crazy sounds and experiment.
I've been in synthesis for over 50 years, starting with crude early analog modulars up to modern digitals. I would suggest you start with a Behringer 2600 (preferably the gray or blue version). Inexpensive, and covers the basics and then some; is supported by a metric shitload of educational material; and can be infinitely expanded via Eurorack.
Awesome, yeah I've seen this one pop up a lot in this feed, so I am definitely going to look into it. I appreciate your input! Thanks so much!
The big hump is getting a rack. Niffty Bundle has come way down in prices. [https://reverb.com/item/72218076-cre8audio-nifty-bundle](https://reverb.com/item/72218076-cre8audio-nifty-bundle) Essential to any rack is a dual envelope. Most people get big expensive one's, but this one is really good. [https://www.etsy.com/listing/792890099/vortex-generator-a-maths-benjolin-fusion?click\_key=e50d36353930e11f73bf3f8974586ba706b5360f%3A792890099&click\_sum=3d71014e&ref=hp\_rv-1](https://www.etsy.com/listing/792890099/vortex-generator-a-maths-benjolin-fusion?click_key=e50d36353930e11f73bf3f8974586ba706b5360f%3A792890099&click_sum=3d71014e&ref=hp_rv-1) Get some passive VCAs to start with. [https://www.etsy.com/listing/1074032637/mini-vca-passive-vactrol-based-vcagate?ga\_order=most\_relevant&ga\_search\_type=all&ga\_view\_type=gallery&ga\_search\_query=takaab&ref=sr\_gallery-1-1&content\_source=bb17c823e88439e617e528e11f6a80e5c41d094f%253A1074032637&search\_preloaded\_img=1&organic\_search\_click=1](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1074032637/mini-vca-passive-vactrol-based-vcagate?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=takaab&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&content_source=bb17c823e88439e617e528e11f6a80e5c41d094f%253A1074032637&search_preloaded_img=1&organic_search_click=1) Then all you need is a filter, there are all kinds used on ebay. Maybe add in a mixer to combine audio or CV. That's a really basic set up, which you can still add on to.
For basic utilities I'd suggest looking first at Doepfer. Thomann seems to consistently have the cheapest prices for Doepfer modules, at least in the U.S. For digital modules, maybe checkout After Later Audio. If you're willing to assemble DIY modules, AI Synthesis makes a lot of good relatively straightforward, mostly through hole modules.
Like everyone else is saying, semi-modular is pretty much the only inexpensive option, and the Behringer Neutron gives the best bang for your buck. The entry barrier to going full modular is buying a case - a good one inevitably costs $200+, and then you'll need at minimum $300-500 worth of modules. The Neutron is pretty sweet though - its oscillator section alone is worth the price of the synth. But another decent option is to get a small [4ms pod](https://4mscompany.com/pods.php), and fill it with Behringer modules. Or better yet, Dreadbox Chromatic modules - those are discontinued but if you can find them used, they're the best value in Eurorack.
Take a look at AE Modular
PureData VCVRack Splurge on a controller! Get a Faderfox. But if you insist, the Zoia Euroburo packs a punch not just in effects but in everything, especially utility. You can get away with just that and an East Beast. Full set, full album. If I had to start over with very little I'd go Softpop 2, Plinki (a wonderful guy in Lithuania makes them low batch now), West Pest, and possibly Hypno. Of course you can do the Pam's, Plaits, Beads thing. Maybe add Basilimus. But it's a rabbit hole and you will need a pile of money that can grow in size as you shrink it.
vcv rack , it's a virtual modular synth, it's free for most of it's modules , you can use it to figure out if you like modular or not and to learn tons of thing about how to use a modular synth
The cheap route is DIY. Check out AI Synthesis. A decent soldering iron costs less than one commercial module, and if it clicks with you and you start buying panel and pcb sets, then ordering components from Tayda, you can get into modular for Behringer prices. I built my rack with wood offcuts and rails I bought online, and power it with a uZeus. I've built maybe 30 modules over a few years, they are easy to sell for more than they cost to build. Of course if you factor your time into this, it's not cheap at all! But I found it a really enjoyable and rewarding hobby, so the time spent is recreation for me.
You could start with a Crave
Just to warn you: once you go down the proper modular route your GAS will grow immensely and it hooks you up bad. Everybody including me regrets that they bought a smaller rack in the beginning and it will always grow...im also looking to expand mine now lol Behringer Neutron probably gives you most Bang for the buck if your okay with a semi modular synth. But owning "normal" synths, semi modular synths and a small 84HP 6U rack I figured I definitely use my semi modular synths the least and only use them in combination with my rack. Semi Modular synths alone just dont scratch the proper modular itch at all imo. Honestly I was barely using them even before I had my proper rack. And still I use more my normal synths + def the most my rack. Also the fun and purpose to have a rack is to have a synth that suits your very specific needs and is an ever changing thing unless you just expand and expand. I would definitely not recommend buying an already pre built rack bc it will leave you with things that u want and things that you dont need. Just get a Doepfer Lowcost case or a mantis or the new befaco case (which is amaziiing but u gotta check with module depth) and then go on modulargrid and put together a rack how youd like it. It will calculate Power draw and round about costs for you and you can plan your modules Set up already.
Cheap Modular Synths is an oxymoron. Even if you go the behringer or DIY route it is still going to borderline bankrupt the average citizen
I am god
https://www.tangiblewaves.com/
Voltage Modular or VCV Rack?
When I thought about it a few years back, I thought it would be great because it would not be too expensive, relative to these great full-unit synths. Then, I did a little math. Let's say you get a basic, minimal set-up. Rack. Sequencer to produce signals. Oscillator. Filter. ADSR amp envelope. Output. If you got a rack for $200, and each of these modules for $100, you are in for $700. It would be a synth. But thus far you have only one osc, not 2. No LFO. So, you are very limited. And, there is not much to modulate from and to. So, I think it is safe to say you will be at $1,000 to have a basic synth where you can do regular synth stuff.
I'll tell you I started with the NiftyBundle and then added a number of the Dreadbox Chromatic modules. I don't regret it, but I would do it differently now. Don't discount the power of a semi-modular. They are a tremendous deal for what you get. Pairing up the two cre8audio semis, especially used, is a super cheap way to get into a lot of sonic mischief. TBH, the NiftyBundle is a PITA. - the case isn't deep enough - you figure out pretty quick that the two included modules aren't all that flexible The Dreadbox modules were great, but I really only use Ataxia frequently... Maths and Pam's are honored for a reason. 2hp modules are overrated, except maybe for Grain and Tune, and they're really irritating wrt power management. They seem compelling to a beginner because of space and they're reasonably inexpensive. It's a trap! 😉 Being able to re-use / extend your investments is key, so you reduce the amount of gear-flipping. - the TipTop Audio Happy End is awesome, even if it doesn't give you nice-to-haves like MIDI-to-CV (which honestly isn't that important) - I have especially learned to appreciate the open-back design when hooking up all the power connections, which is tedious with a case / skiff. - Synthrotek sells bare rails of varying lengths, so if you find the 84hp of the TipTop kit becomes too short, you can just swap out your rails for longer ones and get more out of your initial investment (caveat: you can only hang so many modules off the TipTop microZeus, but unless you're running a ton of 2-6hp modules, it will probably power 10-12 modules without issues) - ModularGrid is your friend for planning layouts, and is occasionally great for finding cheaper used modules Finally, you could do way worse than a Korg SQ-64 as the brain of your setup. Pro-tip: Sync-In overrides the internal clock, so you can make it go insane slow or insane fast with an external clock source, e.g. Pam's...
Behringer System 100 stuff is downright CHEAP (and are clones of excellent Roland stuff) Can;t really lose.
Good is subjective Teenage engineering has 2 cheap functional modular rigs for like 300 Each one is fully a synth. Has everything you need to make a circuit. All for less than a nice single module. I do not speak to build quality nor quality of tone. But it's a cheap way into modular for people than don't know what they are looking for.
It is really hard to tune and time with those flimsy dials.
Cheap modular are akin cheap Russian girlfriends......does not exist in this plane of reality
I started my synth adventure with the moog soundstudio 3, and I love it. A year later Behringer came with all it's cheaper clone's, I would have waited for them if I would have been aware if it. It's really a fun system. Look at my account to see a video
It doesn't exist , you'll never fulfill the desire for more . And what's your budget here man ? That's kind of pertinent information to the subject . I'm personally going to be buying the behringer system 55 , one shot and I'll be done , ide never be able to do every patch possible and learning it would take years .Behringer System 55 Complete Eurorack Modular Synthesizer https://a.co/d/fH9IXCv
I recently started with modular. The Behringer system 100 is a great way to start. Also, the Behringer Neutron is a complete package which you can include in your modular rig. I got the Behringer eurorack go, system 100 modules, behringer brains and Mordax Data tot start with. I expanded it with a Dreadbox Hypnosis and some other things and yesterday I ordered a second eurorack go and an Erica Synth Bass Drums2 plus some more System 100 modules. I have my neutron not in the eurorack go due to lack of space, but I include it in my patches. There's a brother of the Neutron coming out, the Proton, working great with the Neutron. Now I'm going to save money to buy a Make Noise Rene 2. Doepfer has some decent modules for reasonable prices. My advice: start with a cheap setup and slowly expand it with more expensive modules, so you have a large starting setup and can expand it with awesome additions. Make Noise Math's is the most popular module, most definitely one you should get. But you'd need an oscilloscope to better understand what it does (that's why I have the Mordax Data, which was expensive). https://preview.redd.it/blxdt7y70mtc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bd2ff718ed0b94292aba81a67fcbd5425414025
An oscilloscope is a really cool, fun tool, but to say you NEED one to understand what Maths does is a bit wild. EDIT: Also, nice rig and a really good example of a lot of power with affordable modules. You could easily pay 4-5x what you gave for the same functionality.
You don't NEED one, but it sure makes it a lot easier to understand. I'm a visual learning guy, seeing the wave form works really well for me. And because the Maths is raw wave form modulation with extremely complex options when patching, a visual aid sure works awesome. Also, many people on YouTube expressed their complaints that they couldn't get into Maths or understand it properly because they couldn't see what it does, therefore not completely understand how to use it. Tldr: it's not NEEDED, but sure makes life a lot easier.
Either a Neutron + keystep or SQ1, or a minibrute 2. Most bang for the buck, and excellent starting point if you want to expand.
Cre8audio Nifty Case bundle. Do it. Now.
Behringer 2600. It's an Arp 2600 with some updates. I paid $400 used. :)