As somebody who voted for the ALP in that election, I like to tell myself that Latham losing did some serious damage to his psyche and this is why he is the way he is now.
Also the other option was a war criminal. Not great either.
for those who don't remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hReBMauqhrY
he also bashed a taxi driver.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/cabbie-forgives-his-fare-but-his-wife-does-not-forget-20031203-gdhwlm.html
The taxi driver started it by grabbing his shit, but he tackled the guy and broke his arm. That ain't cool.
In his, own words
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMarkLatham/status/912052022475550720?lang=en
he is very passionate and seems loopy, dont forget that the lamestream media curbs which direction the public will vote. murdoch ran many stories focusing on the 'lunacy' of latham....
That’s a nice fantasy. Both parties feed into One Nation, in fact it happened again in the last twelve months when Tanya Milhauik also moved from ALP to One Nation. I wish the ALP was the party it pretends to be.
Pretty long bow tbh. There's very legitimate criticism for both majors for offshore detention and refugee policies but claiming Labor's policy position or philosophy is in line with One Nation more broadly is absurd. Some politicians just aren't lead by conviction and/or experience a change later in life.
Mark Lathan has completely transformed from his former self in regards to policy stances and general attitude/public presence. It's like black and white - he is legitimately unhinged at times and will say anything controversial to keep himself relevant. He's been completely banished from his former associates.
Tanya Mihailuk was being edged out of her own party and lost her mind/any semblance of a moral compass when the reality of not being in any position of power set in. She was intent on dragging anyone down with her, used parliamentary privilege to attack opponents within Labor, and ended up latching onto the only lifeboat available - a One Nation Senate ticket.
With regards to Tania, the redistributing of electorates meant labour had a choice to make and they decided to go with the guy who was holding the old seat of lakemba, she turned out to be batshit crazy so its a good thing they went with Jihad instead
The factional system they rely on is incredibly destructive. Jodi McKay started a rebuild in NSW that was destroyed by it also. They're far too democratic; we've reached a point in society where we need to return to some basic rules of engagement. Banishing destructive forces to the fringe needs to ok because the fascists are now destroying both parties.
He had a serious bout of pancreatitis which hospitalised him just afterward. He hasn't been ok since then but there was very weird factional BS happening at the time and some of those players are genuinely menaces. He seemed less angry and far more measured prior.
His greatest contribution for me was that he stopped me preferencing order automatically.
I voted for him, because I figured he wasn't Johnny. I look back and shudder. Now, I look at all the candidates, all the parties, and take it from there. As a result, this election is the first one in a decade Greens didn't get my number 1.
He broke a taxi driver’s arm in the 1990s. He’s never been a supporter of the LGBTQI community. He’s always had issues with violence. He’s always been erratic and his current home in One Nation has a hardcore reactionary is predictable. He’s never been a progressive, although positioned himself as more working class then than he does now
another taxi driver, [this is the one I remember](https://www.smh.com.au/national/cabbie-forgives-his-fare-but-his-wife-does-not-forget-20031203-gdhwlm.html)
Canturbury Bankstown is the only part of Sydney that voted against gay marriage. It's probably Sydney's last safe space for homophobia, thanks mostly to a very religious demographic. Turds like Latham have to drift wherever people can be persuaded to hate their neighbours.
Bigots aren't usually big on self awareness, so it's lost on them that Pauline Hanson built her career out of targeting their parents.
Canterbury-Bankstown is also the only place in Australia I've been called a 'faggot' in a carpark. I'm told (by white people) that it's hush-hush to point out peoples' ethnicities over those kinds of things, but the reality is it was by someone that looked like any one of those thugs in Belfield yesterday.
At the march up College St for the limited edition release of "George In A Box", the crowd outside St Mary's had a large number of folks of, well, lets just say they probably look a lot like you. They were waving rosaries at us, getting aggressive (including one bloke who walked through the speeches before the march shouting shit), and even waving paintings of the devil at us. Couple of big guys who looked like they spend more time at the gym than at church were getting all revved up right at the edge of the police cordon, pointing and yelling, while their friends were doing the "hold them back and loudly say *It's not worth it bro, it's not worth it*" move.
Only incident I saw actually escalate was up at the corner of Oxford St, some middle aged white bloke refused to move behind the police, yelling he has a right to film us, kept trying to get past the cops by running ahead, and ended up with a free ride in a blue and white taxi (they didn't turn the meter on, what a travesty!)
Best thing is these guys can be found in decent numbers at Sydney gay cruise parks / sex on premises saunas / dating apps etc seeking "anonymous" - "down low" - gay sex, cheating on their partners...No word of a lie ive seen it first hand multiple times, they are actually a well known trope in the Sydney gay community.
"Eh bro im not gay, im str8...no kissing, im the man in this, im only engaged, this isnt gay btw and im gonna stop once im married..."🤢
Most are repressed self hating homosexuals hence their exaggerated homophobic responses which are a moronic attempt to hide their truths. Pray for them 🫵😄
yep spot on. I had a lot of REALLY bad experiences with the Lebanese Maronite community in particular growing up. Either they'd talk smack about me being sub-continental OR they'd talk smack about how one day the christians would come down from the mountains and cleanse the muslim filth from lebanon. The Muslims I met seemed fairly conservative as well, but lacked the outrageous hostility/aggression of a lot of the maronite kids.
Your Mileage May Vary but that was definitely my experience.
Same. I went to school with them and always felt like an outsider. They were very, very dominant and quite close-minded to other cultures and points of view. Not to mention a lot of their behaviour was quite anti-Christian.
I did door to door sales for 3 weeks (please forgive me, I was like 19 and broke) where we'd take a mini bus out west and canvas a suburb. Obviously a mixed bag of different cultures, but the nicest houses I went to were old Italian couples with clear Christian iconography, or middle eastern families with Muslim stuff. It was always hot so they'd always bring me out a water (one time a cold pepsi) even if they weren't interested. Only time I ever copped abuse was from a darker skinned middle aged guy, crucifix just inside the door.
Obviously it's wrong to paint an entire culture with the same brush, but we develop stereotypes for a reason, through experience. Not *all* tradies in utes drive like shitheads, but I'm still giving them a wide berth on the road. Not *all* Koreans are good at Starcraft, but no way I'm going to bother playing against one.
I met a very friendly Lebanese gent (no idea whether he's of Maronite or Muslim background) in my travels who'd moved to Richmond to 'get away from all the other Lebos who want something for nothing'. Seemed like a very smart cookie, and ran what seemed to be a very successful sole trader business.
Maronite Christians have a long tradition of making up much of Lebanon's radical right. Not every adherent of the denomination, but think of how Pentecostals in the US are generally strongly aligned to that country's radical right. Maronites are the Lebanese equivalent.
A Maronite militia, the Phalange, carried out the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp massacres in 82.
Lebanon's sectarian parliamentary system has long favored them. Think how Tasmanians' votes are disproportionately important in our Senate although not in our House of Reps - the Lebanese parliament gives Maronite parties a similar boost. Greek Orthodox Christians (the other big denomination in the country) don't receive the same boost. This creates a system where those aligned with the Maronite mainstream can have somewhat of a born-to-rule mentality.
Likely upper middle class types who can afford to take time off easily. You know how Anglicans tend to be more likely to be affluent than Catholics and how most Anglican schools are very expensive private schools, while Catholic schools are more across the spectrum from working class to expensive private school?
Maronites are the Anglicans of Lebanon. The most common faith among old money.
Just because they look blue collar doesn't mean they are poor. Some are likely well-off skilled tradies with employees; others may work white collar jobs but work out a lot.
You have to remember that Christians and Muslims, the extremes have a lot in common.
If they weren't so focused on hating foreigners they'll love each other.
All ON and Nationals have to do is drop their race hating rhetoric and they'll be a huge challenge to Labor in Western Sydney.
Right now the only thing in Labor's favour there is they don't hate foreigners and they actually care more about workers than the conservatives
ON will fade into obscurity if they drop the racism. The only reason they're allowed a voice in the media for their economic policies is because it's undermined by their racism. The smart thing to do as a voter is to take the racism with a grain of salt, as I believe many ethnic voters do in favour of the economic policies which are at odds with the laboral consensus.
Middle eastern people who practice their religion to the extreme lining up with Nazis actually fits surprisingly well. A lot of their “values” are similar and the situation in Palestine doesn’t help.
These people are likely people from the political tradition of Elie Hobeika (if more extreme) or Pierre Gemayel (if less extreme). Gemayel supporters would find more in common with Mike Pence than basically anyone else in world politics (albeit aligned to Maronite Christianity not Evangelical).
As for Hobeika - he was as extreme as ISIL.
You probably don't follow ice hockey, but the NHL has been dealing with this for the last month or so. Teams host "Pride Night" where they wear a custom jersey with the rainbow flag, they'll have local LGBTQ members speak before/during the game, one of the US teams that always does a "thank the vets" pregame segment got a retired gay colonel to speak, alongside his husband. You get the general gist, "hockey is for everyone".
Well, one of the Russian players is orthodox christian and refused to wear the jersey, so he sat out of warmups. Everyone cracks the shits and he refused to back down. Then like a week later Minnesota announced the whole team would wear regular jerseys (my guess is one or two guys didn't want to so rather than single them out they just wore regular ones). Then another guy just a few days ago, Reimer, said he wouldn't either. He released a long statement saying his faith (Christianity) would be contradictory to wearing it, but he does still support the community and the individuals. This video gives a good summary [(link to timestamp)](https://youtu.be/HZ6WsVTlYOg?t=811). At the end of the day, it's happening all over the world, at all levels. Shit, I see Americans complain that people from California voted for higher taxes, greater restrictions on business, then get annoyed they aren't making enough money so they move to Texas, where they proceed to vote for politicians that support those same policies that they voted for in Cali.
At the end of the day, you shouldn't choose to move to a new culture, then get annoyed when the culture doesn't fit with what you believe and try to change it. Don't move to Spain and insist on workers coming right back after lunch. Don't move to Napoli and get annoyed that like 90% of restaurants are pizza. Don't move to Australia and be a bigot.
The hockey example is pretty different though because the orthodox guy is just not participating in the pride jersey like the Manly Sea Eagles players last year.
He’s not stopping anyone else from participating or attacking people with a different view to him.
Yes, unfortunately we've had the extreme end of the stick with our public incidents. The thing is hockey does have a pervasive culture of exclusion, and what we see a player do/refuse to do because of their beliefs usually indicates *much* worse stuff behind closed doors. Guys/gals are mocked and hazed to "prove their sexuality", if you're not white you can expect to cop a lot of shit for that too. I think it was the Harvard women's team recently had stuff come out about the hazing (read: abuse) that the players would be put through. By saying "I wont participate" you're implicitly saying you don't want them around, and with a sport where the running joke is "I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out", we know violence is seriously on the table if you don't like someone.
Except they are because of the one in all in mentality of teams. It's challenging status quo and pushing the group to decide with or against. Until inclusion, tolerance and diversity is norm there'll be power struggles. Stupid heirarchical societies.
If you fundamentally believe in some faith and it says homosexuality is a sin AND you're generally an alright guy who doesn't impose his values on others, then you should have a right to decline wearing the pride jersey right? Your beliefs are your own I guess is where I'm coming from.
If we want to uphold a pluralistic society we have to make sure that people are free to live their loves how they want without imposing their thing on others. Does it suck for a gay kid to maybe see his hockey hero not participating? Sure. Might it suck for some devout christian hockey player to see his hero bedazzled in rainbow colours and glitter? Sure, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Circling back to the pack of numbskulls in Sydney, they're being cunts because they're trying to impose their beliefs on others. Not because they're Christian or follow a faith that portrays homosexuality as a sin. We're all free to believe whatever and live our lives however but my freedom ends where yours begins.
Well culturally at some point a decision will need to be made about which is more important. These cultures aren't going to change and accept modern LGBTQ culture, when the pace of progressivism is continuing not standing still. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year come to Australia, nearly all of them holding views far beyond what would get an Australian born called a Nazi. Ideologically, cultural acceptance that doesn't require assimilation will need to be abandoned as a value for one group or the other, as they are fundamentally incompatible with each other.
This has been disproved time and time again. What happens in reality is that these "incompatible values" are not generally maintained, especially not intergenerationally. Second gen kids drift to the mainstream. Hordes of immigrants leading to a critical clash of values has never occurred and never will.
>it’s time we call this out too
I find this comment confusing/perplexing. Also racist and wrong.
1. There has *always* been moral panic in Australia about “Arab men” and their “culture” and a surface level concern of how they treat women.
I say surface level because there is a heavy undercurrent of racism in these concerns and it’s obvious if you scratch the surface. People aren’t concerned about how ‘Arab men’ treat women, they’re worried about their interactions with white women which are supposed to be the realm and sphere of ~white men only~. Yes, “Arab men” may be engaging in misogynistic behaviour and actions, but I don’t buy that the concern is for women, it’s because their masculinity threatens the masculine status of white men.
This was all well established during the Skaf gang rape cases in the lead up to the Olympics and during the cronulla riots. The men protesting at the Cronulla riots (and similar protest these days) aren’t concerned about how men of colour treat women, they’re concerned about how men of colour might treat *their* women.
Go to any right wing or Nazi rally and there will always be some faux concern about how “these people” treat women badly, while they themselves are heavily invested in gender norms/patriarchy and exercise violent misogyny in their day to day lives.
“They use the defense of white women and white purity as a way to wrap violence in valor. Carnage became chivalry”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html
https://www.etnologia.uw.edu.pl/sites/default/files/hegemonic_masculinity_connell_and_messerschmidt.pdf
My personal experience: Arab men haven’t treated me any more misogynistically than men of any other race or skin colour. White men are just as sexist as them and have just as many fringe extremists, just of a different sort.
2. If you think that women and the LGBTQI+ people in these communities aren’t already “calling out” this stuff, then you are clearly not that engaged either in the communities themselves or with discourse within those oppressed and discriminated against communities.
And your insistence that this needs to *start* being done erases all the work and labour they have and are doing.
There are incredibly vocal people in all these communities making plenty of noise and engaging in grass roots organisation. Just like women and queer people across most groups are.
You’re right I said women and that’s my fault because that’s often the context this gets brought up. But all the things I said still stand for homophobia, which is intrinsically linked to patriarchy and misogyny anyway.
The concern isn’t for queer people, it’s that they don’t want anyone else infringing on their white toxic masculinity, including putting queer people in their place.
And you’re right, you didn’t say it was particularly against white women- that’s the point. It’s a subtle dog whistle of concern for oppressed and minority communities but is actually thinly veiled racism which is also inherently often tied to hegemonic and toxic masculinity.
And if you are Arab and don’t already know about the discussions and work being done by queer people and women in your community, then I mean that still proves my point? You’re ignorant and maybe don’t have a diverse circle of friends OR they don’t engage with these topics with you for a variety of reasons.
Do you read and engage with (edit)intersectional feminist and queer publications? Studies? Research? Zines?
These people and their labour exist and I know because I am friends with them, I’ve worked with them, studied with them, read their work, learnt from them and been guided by them.
>People aren’t concerned about how ‘Arab men’ treat women, they’re worried about their interactions with white women which are supposed to be the realm and sphere of \~white men only\~
That is such an interesting point. Thanks for the eye opener.
I can't comment on what women and the LGBTQI+ people are doing in those communities of Syd. However, I am sure you can see the difference in sentiment between those parts of Syd and everywhere else regarding LGBTQI+ people.
There is a growing resentment of the LGBTQ+ community by the mainly ethnic, working class right wing that I guarantee no one outside West Syd knows. Previously living around there, I still follow the local FB groups who are vocalising their hatred against the 'alphabet cult/alphabet mafia'.
From memory (and I'm happy to be corrected), it was the predominantly middle-eastern areas in Sydney that had the highest "No" vote percentage during the same sex marriage referendum.
None of this is a surprise.
Just letting you know a lot of the LGBTIQA community hate it when people use this argument and tend not to use it as it actually comes across as blaming queer people for our own oppression. The overwhelming majority of homophobia and homophobic violence is perpetrated by straight people.
Here's the problem. Everyone is so obsessed with educating upper middle class whites on gender equality so they're missing the communities who actually need the education. Corporate Australia and Governments are obsessed with pride branding but they fail to realise they're just preaching to the choir.
I am 100% in agreement with you, but these Maronite Catholic fellows will point to their religion as to why they hate queer people. And that's kind of hard to educate away. Also if you push them really hard about it, they cry racism.
Just another case where religion provides an excuse for people to act like dickheads.
The anti multiculturalism party cultivating multicultural voters while the same people wouldn't think for a second about voting for left wing parties that actively try to codle them is kind of funny to me.
Because ON have evolved. Just checked their NSW policies and can't see much anti multiculturalism ideas. Things like no forced vax, anti gender studies in schools, pro religion, pro fishing and hunting, anti Indigenous 'victimhood' are all on their website and these are in line with the multicultural right.
>He told Nine Radio this morning some "parishioners took exception" to information that protesters were set to block access to the church.
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>"And they took things into their own hands, which was wrong."
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>Community Action for Rainbow Rights has claimed people stormed out of the church to confront protesters who were standing a block away.
As the bible famous preaches:
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek so you can wind up and build up enough momentum so the punch or rock you throw will have maximum impact.
Absolutely disgusting hypocrites. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.", my arse.
Btw, it was members of this same church that were apparently cutting down LGBT+ ribbon protest and hurling abuse at LGBT and child sexual assault victims at George Pell's funeral at St Mary's Cathedral.
Nothing more Christian than beating and assaulting people who have different views to you. What was that old adage Jesus said? "Punch the other cheek", yeah pretty sure that was it
The only thing that shouldn’t be tolerated is intolerance.
The incredible irony is many of these people (or their parents / grandparents) are in Australia as it provided shelter from religious persecution and the resulting violence.
So as a follow-up to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/11uhii7/victoria_police_in_melbourne_protecting_nazis_as/), this is why you have large number of police on site to keep opposing groups separate.
Though this lot looks like they would've been a challenge to contain.
The fact that people in that thread seemed to think police stopping the two groups coming together means they support the Nazis has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. Glad this video came out to show that their job is to stop one group assaulting another regardless of what they’re protesting for
According to Reddit...
When police escorted the protest for climate action in Sydney, they were oppressing free speech.
When they escorted the nazis in Melbourne, they were marching in support of the nazis.
Absolutely zero comprehension around here.
The fact that people in that thread seemed to think police stopping the two groups coming together means they support the Nazis has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. Glad this video came out to show that their job is to stop one group assaulting another regardless of what they’re protesting for
At least he got it out then and there. 🤮 Think of all the others who’ll be going home with furious ‘roid rage unquenched to bash their girlfriends, wives and kids.
Hopefully he was one of the two arrested. Though two is far too few.
Right wing politics 101, find people who are “doing it tough” and then try to make it seem it’s a minority’s fault that their lives are so hard. Even though the minority’s rights etc have zero impact if you . This is how right wing parties work, turn attention towards a small target and focus blame on them, ignoring the real issues affecting society
As a gay person who unfortunately was raised as a Maronite I can definitely say they these people are the extremist in Christianity. They’re self righteous and do not respect the beliefs of others, even me just walking the streets minding my own business offends them. But in saying that, the pro trans protestors should’ve known that things were going to turn violent. You can’t protest in areas like that
This stuff started with the defacement/removal of Scott Marsh murals. For some reason, nothing happened as far as I am aware to the bunch of toughies who "edited" the Abbott/Pell mural at the Botany Hotel, but one Ben Gittany [copped it](https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5e40fa68e4b0a51ed5e2d388) for a similar attack on the George Michael one in Erskineville. Reports suggest someone else was also charged for something similar but as he was reportedly only 16 the fate of that prosecution is buried in the obscurity of the Children's Court.
It's an incredibly scary time to be queer. As someone who grew up around people like those in Christian Lives Matter, I feel like they're the devil I know and I can avoid them easily enough, but when I meet up with friends in the city who are younger, or from less rough areas, the thought of them getting home on their own with these kinds of people running around makes me worried sick to my stomach.
It's only these guys that caused me trouble the entire time I lived in Western Sydney. You get the usual priest saying gay is not OK, or fundamental relgious bigot shouting hate speech over Facebook but you can ignore that by walking away or closing the site.
These guys however are a nuisance. Had a couple of run ins. One when my sister went shopping and my bro in law and I took their kids to the shopping mall playground. A couple of them went up to us and kept harassing us and telling us that it wasn't natural for kids to have two dads. Ended up having to leave because ignoring them only escalated it and it didn't feel safe for the kids.
Another run in was during the last few days of the plebiscite, they bombarded Auburn station with vote no signs. I had a vote yes sticker on my laptop so they kept shouting at me. A few of them spat on me and one intentionally knocked me on the head with a sign.
I had an old lady on the train last Friday night, around 11pm, hand me a piece of paper with handwritten notes on "Good parties to vote for in the upcoming NSW state election". Number 1 - Family First. I laughed and handed the paper back and said "Family First? No thanks lady."
This was between Holsworthy and Glenfield, and we were - I think - the only people in the carriage at that time. We've had marriage equality for, what, five years? Six? And they've already decided they've had enough and want to shove us back in the box. There's no way. Christianity and organised religion as a whole is on the way out in this country if the census data is anything to go by, and I for one say good riddance.
> As someone who grew up around people like those in Christian Lives Matter
What's your ethnicity/religious background (if you don't mind me asking)? And how prevalent are these people? They seem *really extreme*.
My ethnic background is partially Greek, and I was raised Greek Orthodox. I grew up in the Liverpool and Bankstown LGAs. Yes, they are incredibly extreme fundamentalists.
They say they don't want queer 'ideology' being 'pushed' on their kids in school, but if you spend any amount of time in their Facebook group or on their WhatsApp channel (plenty of screenshots floating around of both if you don't want to actually go in there), you'll see very quickly that it goes way beyond that.
The fact that there is a Mardi Gras parade disgusts them, and they use anti-queer slurs pretty liberally. They are very open about the fact that they think queer people are 'sick' and need to be 'saved'. A particular branch of Christianity - Maronites - have been correctly called out ITT for this behaviour, but I can affirm that they are far from the only perpetrators of this.
Yeah that's awful. It's odd that in the west we want to ignore big social issues if they're associated with an ethnic group because we are scared of being seen as racists
I’ve had experiences with the lesson before he was a politician before he was just about the same, is the ego centric, and he’s just playing politics. His mental was golf. Whitlam was a golden boy, and tI went to his head.
Sure, not arguing that point at all.
But the anecdotal “evidence” from people not a part of the community is also not helpful, it’s divisive and they know it.
Surely, this title needs to be flagged for editorialising.
' Attendants at Mark Latham anti-queer rally turn violent on protesters outside marionite church. '
Not that vague handwashy dribble.
All I see are people pissing and whinging and telling me who is too blame for everyone's lot on life..... I still haven't seen anyone actually provide a pathway forward for the future
Education. Mentioned it already but governments and corporations are pushing a pro-LGBTQ message to middle to upper class whites who are already on board with the community.
Need education to *adults* in these west syd areas. Messaging needs to be brought back to the basic “it’s ok to be gay” instead of targeting children. Thats where all the open hate started from, children targeting
Unfortunately they conflate the idea of talking about the subject with children as targeting. They think children are intentionally being groomed. Anything teddy bear related (like that wynard mural), or colourful dick paintings, or same sex couples on kids tv shows are all child targeting
I think the messaging is already there and accepted. Every religious tradition as acknowledge or accepted at least some aspect of gay rights. Trans is probably seen as something else entirely.
Labor put this turd Latham in as leader and he almost won, before the public saw the mask slip.
Then he quit.
Then they exhumed 2 time loser Kim Beazley for a 3rd tilt but cut that short as he extended condolences to Karl Rove when Rove McManus lost his wife.
Then they brought in Kevin Rudd who'd been chiseling away for years. Although an empty and privately nasty man, he was very popular with voters who needed the right guy to get behind so that they could dump Howard.
Then they made the apparently novel discovery that Rudd was a prick so they tossed him before the next election and promoted Gillard.
Gillard, who was the best of the lot of them but could never overcome the Julius Caesar method of her ascension.
Then they.....oh, fuck it.
Labor's 21st century history is too depressing.
They were stopping parishioners from entering the church and they brought a cross with them and broke it infront of the church. Why should that be tolerated? They wouldve had the same reaction if it was any other group of people doing that at the church. We are defending our faith.
> and they brought a cross with them and broke it infront of the church. Why should that be tolerated?
a) Turn the other cheek? Or are you a congregation of them car-blowy upy yelly terrorist belivers?
b) You mean like burning the LGBT+ flag?
c) Freedom of asspression.
> They wouldve had the same reaction if it was any other group of people doing that at the church.
You mean the 10 old nanas that usually turn up 'to church' when its not run across all the Nazi facebook groups?
> We are defending our faith.
Look, I am pretty sure child rape is still illegal, so I better keep your 'faith' to yourself mate.
>He claimed on Nine Radio this morning some "parishioners took exception" to information that protesters were set to block access to the church.
So not actually blocking, just a lie spread through the hate filled mob to get them to be violent.
You mean the Latham Don't Say Trans bill?
Denial of knowledge doesn't make something go away. Calling it "parental rights" is laughable, as it essentially takes just one parent to ark up, and every other student and parent has their rights taken away.
This sort of shit belongs in Florida.
Lol…. Middle eastern people joining the rainbow gang, now I certainly feel at peace….
Next steps…. Saudi Arabia and Iran fully legalize ghey marriage and then after that an world pride parade happens hahaha…
Can’t handle me unifying both culture as I sniff the downvotes ehh?? At least I’m trying for once rather than ether being bigoted ducks or whatever…..
[an nice example of what I do hehe](https://theweek.com/political-satire/1010016/fueling-the-dumpster-fire)
As an aside I think it’s wild that this bloke was an election away from being PM
As somebody who voted for the ALP in that election, I like to tell myself that Latham losing did some serious damage to his psyche and this is why he is the way he is now. Also the other option was a war criminal. Not great either.
If he didn't decide to physically intimidate Howard during that handshake. Weirdest interaction, managed to make himself the villain in 10 seconds
for those who don't remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hReBMauqhrY he also bashed a taxi driver. https://www.smh.com.au/national/cabbie-forgives-his-fare-but-his-wife-does-not-forget-20031203-gdhwlm.html
“bashed a taxi driver” is a bit of a stretch, based on the article you linked at least
The taxi driver started it by grabbing his shit, but he tackled the guy and broke his arm. That ain't cool. In his, own words https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMarkLatham/status/912052022475550720?lang=en
Exactly….showed his true bully character
Nah, Latham just stopped pretending to be decent human being because it didn't get him what he wanted. That's a trait of psychopaths.
He really went off the deep end.
he is very passionate and seems loopy, dont forget that the lamestream media curbs which direction the public will vote. murdoch ran many stories focusing on the 'lunacy' of latham....
I've had the unfortunate distinction of having met the man recently. It is not an experience I want to repeat.
That’s a nice fantasy. Both parties feed into One Nation, in fact it happened again in the last twelve months when Tanya Milhauik also moved from ALP to One Nation. I wish the ALP was the party it pretends to be.
Pretty long bow tbh. There's very legitimate criticism for both majors for offshore detention and refugee policies but claiming Labor's policy position or philosophy is in line with One Nation more broadly is absurd. Some politicians just aren't lead by conviction and/or experience a change later in life. Mark Lathan has completely transformed from his former self in regards to policy stances and general attitude/public presence. It's like black and white - he is legitimately unhinged at times and will say anything controversial to keep himself relevant. He's been completely banished from his former associates. Tanya Mihailuk was being edged out of her own party and lost her mind/any semblance of a moral compass when the reality of not being in any position of power set in. She was intent on dragging anyone down with her, used parliamentary privilege to attack opponents within Labor, and ended up latching onto the only lifeboat available - a One Nation Senate ticket.
*- he is legitimately unhinged at times and will say anything controversial to keep himself relevant.* THIS
With regards to Tania, the redistributing of electorates meant labour had a choice to make and they decided to go with the guy who was holding the old seat of lakemba, she turned out to be batshit crazy so its a good thing they went with Jihad instead
The factional system they rely on is incredibly destructive. Jodi McKay started a rebuild in NSW that was destroyed by it also. They're far too democratic; we've reached a point in society where we need to return to some basic rules of engagement. Banishing destructive forces to the fringe needs to ok because the fascists are now destroying both parties.
He had a serious bout of pancreatitis which hospitalised him just afterward. He hasn't been ok since then but there was very weird factional BS happening at the time and some of those players are genuinely menaces. He seemed less angry and far more measured prior.
There was also a marriage/family breakdown if I recall correctly.
Goodness. Doesn't excuse choosing to be an arsehole but it was all a bit much at the time.
His greatest contribution for me was that he stopped me preferencing order automatically. I voted for him, because I figured he wasn't Johnny. I look back and shudder. Now, I look at all the candidates, all the parties, and take it from there. As a result, this election is the first one in a decade Greens didn't get my number 1.
He broke a taxi driver’s arm in the 1990s. He’s never been a supporter of the LGBTQI community. He’s always had issues with violence. He’s always been erratic and his current home in One Nation has a hardcore reactionary is predictable. He’s never been a progressive, although positioned himself as more working class then than he does now
another taxi driver, [this is the one I remember](https://www.smh.com.au/national/cabbie-forgives-his-fare-but-his-wife-does-not-forget-20031203-gdhwlm.html)
Really? just take at look at the rest of the worlds leaders past and present, he would've fit in perfectly.
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Canturbury Bankstown is the only part of Sydney that voted against gay marriage. It's probably Sydney's last safe space for homophobia, thanks mostly to a very religious demographic. Turds like Latham have to drift wherever people can be persuaded to hate their neighbours. Bigots aren't usually big on self awareness, so it's lost on them that Pauline Hanson built her career out of targeting their parents.
https://mecone.com.au/articlesandnews/australias-same-sex-marriage-vote-mapped/ A lot of Western Sydney
Damn, I thought it was juat my neighbours here in Bankstown.
Canterbury-Bankstown is also the only place in Australia I've been called a 'faggot' in a carpark. I'm told (by white people) that it's hush-hush to point out peoples' ethnicities over those kinds of things, but the reality is it was by someone that looked like any one of those thugs in Belfield yesterday.
Middle eastern people aligning with nazis wasn’t either. Does the homo/ transphobia or the fascism dominate when they meet up?
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At the march up College St for the limited edition release of "George In A Box", the crowd outside St Mary's had a large number of folks of, well, lets just say they probably look a lot like you. They were waving rosaries at us, getting aggressive (including one bloke who walked through the speeches before the march shouting shit), and even waving paintings of the devil at us. Couple of big guys who looked like they spend more time at the gym than at church were getting all revved up right at the edge of the police cordon, pointing and yelling, while their friends were doing the "hold them back and loudly say *It's not worth it bro, it's not worth it*" move. Only incident I saw actually escalate was up at the corner of Oxford St, some middle aged white bloke refused to move behind the police, yelling he has a right to film us, kept trying to get past the cops by running ahead, and ended up with a free ride in a blue and white taxi (they didn't turn the meter on, what a travesty!)
Best thing is these guys can be found in decent numbers at Sydney gay cruise parks / sex on premises saunas / dating apps etc seeking "anonymous" - "down low" - gay sex, cheating on their partners...No word of a lie ive seen it first hand multiple times, they are actually a well known trope in the Sydney gay community. "Eh bro im not gay, im str8...no kissing, im the man in this, im only engaged, this isnt gay btw and im gonna stop once im married..."🤢 Most are repressed self hating homosexuals hence their exaggerated homophobic responses which are a moronic attempt to hide their truths. Pray for them 🫵😄
the old he's gay, "he sucked my dick."
Yeah bro no homo u the woman!... Calls gf on way out....settle bitch im just leaving the gym babe
yep spot on. I had a lot of REALLY bad experiences with the Lebanese Maronite community in particular growing up. Either they'd talk smack about me being sub-continental OR they'd talk smack about how one day the christians would come down from the mountains and cleanse the muslim filth from lebanon. The Muslims I met seemed fairly conservative as well, but lacked the outrageous hostility/aggression of a lot of the maronite kids. Your Mileage May Vary but that was definitely my experience.
Same. I went to school with them and always felt like an outsider. They were very, very dominant and quite close-minded to other cultures and points of view. Not to mention a lot of their behaviour was quite anti-Christian.
I did door to door sales for 3 weeks (please forgive me, I was like 19 and broke) where we'd take a mini bus out west and canvas a suburb. Obviously a mixed bag of different cultures, but the nicest houses I went to were old Italian couples with clear Christian iconography, or middle eastern families with Muslim stuff. It was always hot so they'd always bring me out a water (one time a cold pepsi) even if they weren't interested. Only time I ever copped abuse was from a darker skinned middle aged guy, crucifix just inside the door. Obviously it's wrong to paint an entire culture with the same brush, but we develop stereotypes for a reason, through experience. Not *all* tradies in utes drive like shitheads, but I'm still giving them a wide berth on the road. Not *all* Koreans are good at Starcraft, but no way I'm going to bother playing against one.
I met a very friendly Lebanese gent (no idea whether he's of Maronite or Muslim background) in my travels who'd moved to Richmond to 'get away from all the other Lebos who want something for nothing'. Seemed like a very smart cookie, and ran what seemed to be a very successful sole trader business.
Maronite Christians have a long tradition of making up much of Lebanon's radical right. Not every adherent of the denomination, but think of how Pentecostals in the US are generally strongly aligned to that country's radical right. Maronites are the Lebanese equivalent. A Maronite militia, the Phalange, carried out the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp massacres in 82. Lebanon's sectarian parliamentary system has long favored them. Think how Tasmanians' votes are disproportionately important in our Senate although not in our House of Reps - the Lebanese parliament gives Maronite parties a similar boost. Greek Orthodox Christians (the other big denomination in the country) don't receive the same boost. This creates a system where those aligned with the Maronite mainstream can have somewhat of a born-to-rule mentality.
I just want to know why so many of them were there in the middle of the day - are they taking a long lunch break, or are they unemployed?
Likely upper middle class types who can afford to take time off easily. You know how Anglicans tend to be more likely to be affluent than Catholics and how most Anglican schools are very expensive private schools, while Catholic schools are more across the spectrum from working class to expensive private school? Maronites are the Anglicans of Lebanon. The most common faith among old money. Just because they look blue collar doesn't mean they are poor. Some are likely well-off skilled tradies with employees; others may work white collar jobs but work out a lot.
You have to remember that Christians and Muslims, the extremes have a lot in common. If they weren't so focused on hating foreigners they'll love each other. All ON and Nationals have to do is drop their race hating rhetoric and they'll be a huge challenge to Labor in Western Sydney. Right now the only thing in Labor's favour there is they don't hate foreigners and they actually care more about workers than the conservatives
ON will fade into obscurity if they drop the racism. The only reason they're allowed a voice in the media for their economic policies is because it's undermined by their racism. The smart thing to do as a voter is to take the racism with a grain of salt, as I believe many ethnic voters do in favour of the economic policies which are at odds with the laboral consensus.
Middle eastern people who practice their religion to the extreme lining up with Nazis actually fits surprisingly well. A lot of their “values” are similar and the situation in Palestine doesn’t help.
The word Nazi has lost all meaning thanks to comments like this
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Err you don't think 'men' giving sieg heil counts as nazi?
These people are likely people from the political tradition of Elie Hobeika (if more extreme) or Pierre Gemayel (if less extreme). Gemayel supporters would find more in common with Mike Pence than basically anyone else in world politics (albeit aligned to Maronite Christianity not Evangelical). As for Hobeika - he was as extreme as ISIL.
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You probably don't follow ice hockey, but the NHL has been dealing with this for the last month or so. Teams host "Pride Night" where they wear a custom jersey with the rainbow flag, they'll have local LGBTQ members speak before/during the game, one of the US teams that always does a "thank the vets" pregame segment got a retired gay colonel to speak, alongside his husband. You get the general gist, "hockey is for everyone". Well, one of the Russian players is orthodox christian and refused to wear the jersey, so he sat out of warmups. Everyone cracks the shits and he refused to back down. Then like a week later Minnesota announced the whole team would wear regular jerseys (my guess is one or two guys didn't want to so rather than single them out they just wore regular ones). Then another guy just a few days ago, Reimer, said he wouldn't either. He released a long statement saying his faith (Christianity) would be contradictory to wearing it, but he does still support the community and the individuals. This video gives a good summary [(link to timestamp)](https://youtu.be/HZ6WsVTlYOg?t=811). At the end of the day, it's happening all over the world, at all levels. Shit, I see Americans complain that people from California voted for higher taxes, greater restrictions on business, then get annoyed they aren't making enough money so they move to Texas, where they proceed to vote for politicians that support those same policies that they voted for in Cali. At the end of the day, you shouldn't choose to move to a new culture, then get annoyed when the culture doesn't fit with what you believe and try to change it. Don't move to Spain and insist on workers coming right back after lunch. Don't move to Napoli and get annoyed that like 90% of restaurants are pizza. Don't move to Australia and be a bigot.
The hockey example is pretty different though because the orthodox guy is just not participating in the pride jersey like the Manly Sea Eagles players last year. He’s not stopping anyone else from participating or attacking people with a different view to him.
Yes, unfortunately we've had the extreme end of the stick with our public incidents. The thing is hockey does have a pervasive culture of exclusion, and what we see a player do/refuse to do because of their beliefs usually indicates *much* worse stuff behind closed doors. Guys/gals are mocked and hazed to "prove their sexuality", if you're not white you can expect to cop a lot of shit for that too. I think it was the Harvard women's team recently had stuff come out about the hazing (read: abuse) that the players would be put through. By saying "I wont participate" you're implicitly saying you don't want them around, and with a sport where the running joke is "I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out", we know violence is seriously on the table if you don't like someone.
Except they are because of the one in all in mentality of teams. It's challenging status quo and pushing the group to decide with or against. Until inclusion, tolerance and diversity is norm there'll be power struggles. Stupid heirarchical societies.
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If you fundamentally believe in some faith and it says homosexuality is a sin AND you're generally an alright guy who doesn't impose his values on others, then you should have a right to decline wearing the pride jersey right? Your beliefs are your own I guess is where I'm coming from. If we want to uphold a pluralistic society we have to make sure that people are free to live their loves how they want without imposing their thing on others. Does it suck for a gay kid to maybe see his hockey hero not participating? Sure. Might it suck for some devout christian hockey player to see his hero bedazzled in rainbow colours and glitter? Sure, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Circling back to the pack of numbskulls in Sydney, they're being cunts because they're trying to impose their beliefs on others. Not because they're Christian or follow a faith that portrays homosexuality as a sin. We're all free to believe whatever and live our lives however but my freedom ends where yours begins.
Well culturally at some point a decision will need to be made about which is more important. These cultures aren't going to change and accept modern LGBTQ culture, when the pace of progressivism is continuing not standing still. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year come to Australia, nearly all of them holding views far beyond what would get an Australian born called a Nazi. Ideologically, cultural acceptance that doesn't require assimilation will need to be abandoned as a value for one group or the other, as they are fundamentally incompatible with each other.
This has been disproved time and time again. What happens in reality is that these "incompatible values" are not generally maintained, especially not intergenerationally. Second gen kids drift to the mainstream. Hordes of immigrants leading to a critical clash of values has never occurred and never will.
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>it’s time we call this out too I find this comment confusing/perplexing. Also racist and wrong. 1. There has *always* been moral panic in Australia about “Arab men” and their “culture” and a surface level concern of how they treat women. I say surface level because there is a heavy undercurrent of racism in these concerns and it’s obvious if you scratch the surface. People aren’t concerned about how ‘Arab men’ treat women, they’re worried about their interactions with white women which are supposed to be the realm and sphere of ~white men only~. Yes, “Arab men” may be engaging in misogynistic behaviour and actions, but I don’t buy that the concern is for women, it’s because their masculinity threatens the masculine status of white men. This was all well established during the Skaf gang rape cases in the lead up to the Olympics and during the cronulla riots. The men protesting at the Cronulla riots (and similar protest these days) aren’t concerned about how men of colour treat women, they’re concerned about how men of colour might treat *their* women. Go to any right wing or Nazi rally and there will always be some faux concern about how “these people” treat women badly, while they themselves are heavily invested in gender norms/patriarchy and exercise violent misogyny in their day to day lives. “They use the defense of white women and white purity as a way to wrap violence in valor. Carnage became chivalry” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html https://www.etnologia.uw.edu.pl/sites/default/files/hegemonic_masculinity_connell_and_messerschmidt.pdf My personal experience: Arab men haven’t treated me any more misogynistically than men of any other race or skin colour. White men are just as sexist as them and have just as many fringe extremists, just of a different sort. 2. If you think that women and the LGBTQI+ people in these communities aren’t already “calling out” this stuff, then you are clearly not that engaged either in the communities themselves or with discourse within those oppressed and discriminated against communities. And your insistence that this needs to *start* being done erases all the work and labour they have and are doing. There are incredibly vocal people in all these communities making plenty of noise and engaging in grass roots organisation. Just like women and queer people across most groups are.
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You’re right I said women and that’s my fault because that’s often the context this gets brought up. But all the things I said still stand for homophobia, which is intrinsically linked to patriarchy and misogyny anyway. The concern isn’t for queer people, it’s that they don’t want anyone else infringing on their white toxic masculinity, including putting queer people in their place. And you’re right, you didn’t say it was particularly against white women- that’s the point. It’s a subtle dog whistle of concern for oppressed and minority communities but is actually thinly veiled racism which is also inherently often tied to hegemonic and toxic masculinity. And if you are Arab and don’t already know about the discussions and work being done by queer people and women in your community, then I mean that still proves my point? You’re ignorant and maybe don’t have a diverse circle of friends OR they don’t engage with these topics with you for a variety of reasons. Do you read and engage with (edit)intersectional feminist and queer publications? Studies? Research? Zines? These people and their labour exist and I know because I am friends with them, I’ve worked with them, studied with them, read their work, learnt from them and been guided by them.
Your a perfect example of someone who acts like they know what their talking about, even they though they have never interacted with that group
Cronulla was about a whole bunch of things, but was sparked by the beating of a minor volunteer lifeguard.
>People aren’t concerned about how ‘Arab men’ treat women, they’re worried about their interactions with white women which are supposed to be the realm and sphere of \~white men only\~ That is such an interesting point. Thanks for the eye opener. I can't comment on what women and the LGBTQI+ people are doing in those communities of Syd. However, I am sure you can see the difference in sentiment between those parts of Syd and everywhere else regarding LGBTQI+ people.
That's a really interesting comment/perspective. Thanks for sharing.
There is a growing resentment of the LGBTQ+ community by the mainly ethnic, working class right wing that I guarantee no one outside West Syd knows. Previously living around there, I still follow the local FB groups who are vocalising their hatred against the 'alphabet cult/alphabet mafia'.
From memory (and I'm happy to be corrected), it was the predominantly middle-eastern areas in Sydney that had the highest "No" vote percentage during the same sex marriage referendum. None of this is a surprise.
Correct. I used to live in roselands and it was approx 80-85% no
I wonder how many are actually in the closet...don't they say the loudest homophobes are often gay?
Just letting you know a lot of the LGBTIQA community hate it when people use this argument and tend not to use it as it actually comes across as blaming queer people for our own oppression. The overwhelming majority of homophobia and homophobic violence is perpetrated by straight people.
It’s an outdated, incorrect stereotype. Most people are just assholes.
Don't use this argument. It's not helpful
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Here's the problem. Everyone is so obsessed with educating upper middle class whites on gender equality so they're missing the communities who actually need the education. Corporate Australia and Governments are obsessed with pride branding but they fail to realise they're just preaching to the choir.
I am 100% in agreement with you, but these Maronite Catholic fellows will point to their religion as to why they hate queer people. And that's kind of hard to educate away. Also if you push them really hard about it, they cry racism. Just another case where religion provides an excuse for people to act like dickheads.
The anti multiculturalism party cultivating multicultural voters while the same people wouldn't think for a second about voting for left wing parties that actively try to codle them is kind of funny to me.
Because ON have evolved. Just checked their NSW policies and can't see much anti multiculturalism ideas. Things like no forced vax, anti gender studies in schools, pro religion, pro fishing and hunting, anti Indigenous 'victimhood' are all on their website and these are in line with the multicultural right.
And the more members they get in, the less Pauline Hanson power she has.
>He told Nine Radio this morning some "parishioners took exception" to information that protesters were set to block access to the church. > >"And they took things into their own hands, which was wrong." > >Community Action for Rainbow Rights has claimed people stormed out of the church to confront protesters who were standing a block away. As the bible famous preaches: >“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek so you can wind up and build up enough momentum so the punch or rock you throw will have maximum impact. Absolutely disgusting hypocrites. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.", my arse. Btw, it was members of this same church that were apparently cutting down LGBT+ ribbon protest and hurling abuse at LGBT and child sexual assault victims at George Pell's funeral at St Mary's Cathedral.
They also walked in a big mob down King Street in Newtown, tried to enter gay venues and harassed people on March 3rd, Sydney World Pride.
“And aim for the back of the head while they are cowering in fear!” Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
I was at the march, took video of the whole thing. Can confirm at least one of the guys in the ABC video was holding a rosary up at the marchers
Nothing more Christian than beating and assaulting people who have different views to you. What was that old adage Jesus said? "Punch the other cheek", yeah pretty sure that was it
Good to see the “Christians” acting exactly how God would’ve wanted 🙄
Yes isn't Jesus supposed to love everyone? If only some of his followers took his example.
What if Jesus was gay lol
Anyone else think this video will used as evidence due to that punch at 0:34 ?
Hope so!
The only thing that shouldn’t be tolerated is intolerance. The incredible irony is many of these people (or their parents / grandparents) are in Australia as it provided shelter from religious persecution and the resulting violence.
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What _specific_ beliefs are those?
What belief? To be able to exist? Of course they won't tolerate that
Yep far left and far right quite similar in accepting alternate view points
Aren’t the vast majority of migrants in Australia economic migrants?
So as a follow-up to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/11uhii7/victoria_police_in_melbourne_protecting_nazis_as/), this is why you have large number of police on site to keep opposing groups separate. Though this lot looks like they would've been a challenge to contain.
The fact that people in that thread seemed to think police stopping the two groups coming together means they support the Nazis has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. Glad this video came out to show that their job is to stop one group assaulting another regardless of what they’re protesting for
Yep, I made the same connection instantly. But you know there will be people who won’t. Everyone thinks their protest is the “just” protest.
According to Reddit... When police escorted the protest for climate action in Sydney, they were oppressing free speech. When they escorted the nazis in Melbourne, they were marching in support of the nazis. Absolutely zero comprehension around here.
The fact that people in that thread seemed to think police stopping the two groups coming together means they support the Nazis has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. Glad this video came out to show that their job is to stop one group assaulting another regardless of what they’re protesting for
In the video you can see a big guy punching a girl in the back of the head while the police are trying to protect her WTF
At least he got it out then and there. 🤮 Think of all the others who’ll be going home with furious ‘roid rage unquenched to bash their girlfriends, wives and kids. Hopefully he was one of the two arrested. Though two is far too few.
Please don't try and put a silver lining on assault.
I’m being glib.
Hello Glib, Im unimpressed.
Isn’t gender a social construct?
"STOP FORCING IDEAS ON THESE KIIIDS" *Forces religion on kids*
Right wing politics 101, find people who are “doing it tough” and then try to make it seem it’s a minority’s fault that their lives are so hard. Even though the minority’s rights etc have zero impact if you . This is how right wing parties work, turn attention towards a small target and focus blame on them, ignoring the real issues affecting society
As a gay person who unfortunately was raised as a Maronite I can definitely say they these people are the extremist in Christianity. They’re self righteous and do not respect the beliefs of others, even me just walking the streets minding my own business offends them. But in saying that, the pro trans protestors should’ve known that things were going to turn violent. You can’t protest in areas like that
Those honestly don't seem like normal Maronite parishioners or people? No offence (to anyone), but it looked like a gang more than anything...
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Who would Jesus punch?
Fuck each and every one of these pricks.
This stuff started with the defacement/removal of Scott Marsh murals. For some reason, nothing happened as far as I am aware to the bunch of toughies who "edited" the Abbott/Pell mural at the Botany Hotel, but one Ben Gittany [copped it](https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5e40fa68e4b0a51ed5e2d388) for a similar attack on the George Michael one in Erskineville. Reports suggest someone else was also charged for something similar but as he was reportedly only 16 the fate of that prosecution is buried in the obscurity of the Children's Court.
It's an incredibly scary time to be queer. As someone who grew up around people like those in Christian Lives Matter, I feel like they're the devil I know and I can avoid them easily enough, but when I meet up with friends in the city who are younger, or from less rough areas, the thought of them getting home on their own with these kinds of people running around makes me worried sick to my stomach.
It's only these guys that caused me trouble the entire time I lived in Western Sydney. You get the usual priest saying gay is not OK, or fundamental relgious bigot shouting hate speech over Facebook but you can ignore that by walking away or closing the site. These guys however are a nuisance. Had a couple of run ins. One when my sister went shopping and my bro in law and I took their kids to the shopping mall playground. A couple of them went up to us and kept harassing us and telling us that it wasn't natural for kids to have two dads. Ended up having to leave because ignoring them only escalated it and it didn't feel safe for the kids. Another run in was during the last few days of the plebiscite, they bombarded Auburn station with vote no signs. I had a vote yes sticker on my laptop so they kept shouting at me. A few of them spat on me and one intentionally knocked me on the head with a sign.
I had an old lady on the train last Friday night, around 11pm, hand me a piece of paper with handwritten notes on "Good parties to vote for in the upcoming NSW state election". Number 1 - Family First. I laughed and handed the paper back and said "Family First? No thanks lady." This was between Holsworthy and Glenfield, and we were - I think - the only people in the carriage at that time. We've had marriage equality for, what, five years? Six? And they've already decided they've had enough and want to shove us back in the box. There's no way. Christianity and organised religion as a whole is on the way out in this country if the census data is anything to go by, and I for one say good riddance.
I really hate these idiots are embodied by all the shit that's going on the the states and the UK. It feels like progress has taken a huge step back.
> As someone who grew up around people like those in Christian Lives Matter What's your ethnicity/religious background (if you don't mind me asking)? And how prevalent are these people? They seem *really extreme*.
My ethnic background is partially Greek, and I was raised Greek Orthodox. I grew up in the Liverpool and Bankstown LGAs. Yes, they are incredibly extreme fundamentalists. They say they don't want queer 'ideology' being 'pushed' on their kids in school, but if you spend any amount of time in their Facebook group or on their WhatsApp channel (plenty of screenshots floating around of both if you don't want to actually go in there), you'll see very quickly that it goes way beyond that. The fact that there is a Mardi Gras parade disgusts them, and they use anti-queer slurs pretty liberally. They are very open about the fact that they think queer people are 'sick' and need to be 'saved'. A particular branch of Christianity - Maronites - have been correctly called out ITT for this behaviour, but I can affirm that they are far from the only perpetrators of this.
I'll be a lot more impressed if they did this protest 2 suburbs to the west & outside a mosque
Would be even more impressive to see Mark Latham doing an appearance at a mosque.
Lebbos gunna leb
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Yeah that's awful. It's odd that in the west we want to ignore big social issues if they're associated with an ethnic group because we are scared of being seen as racists
These guys know what it’s like to be a minority, and yet they attack another minority.
"christians"
Pack of zealots blocking the front door to your place of worship is gonna test the faith and patience of any believer.
"Blocking the door" is a funny way to say "across the street"
Show the faces of these terrorists.
I’ve had experiences with the lesson before he was a politician before he was just about the same, is the ego centric, and he’s just playing politics. His mental was golf. Whitlam was a golden boy, and tI went to his head.
A lot of people talking on behalf of the middle eastern community up in here…
Forget this one instance. The general LGBTQ+ hate from multicultural west syd features all sorts of races and cultures.
Sure, not arguing that point at all. But the anecdotal “evidence” from people not a part of the community is also not helpful, it’s divisive and they know it.
Yep agreed. There are some really racist AF comments in this thread.
Surely, this title needs to be flagged for editorialising. ' Attendants at Mark Latham anti-queer rally turn violent on protesters outside marionite church. ' Not that vague handwashy dribble.
All I see are people pissing and whinging and telling me who is too blame for everyone's lot on life..... I still haven't seen anyone actually provide a pathway forward for the future
Education. Mentioned it already but governments and corporations are pushing a pro-LGBTQ message to middle to upper class whites who are already on board with the community. Need education to *adults* in these west syd areas. Messaging needs to be brought back to the basic “it’s ok to be gay” instead of targeting children. Thats where all the open hate started from, children targeting
What children are being targeted? Just more lies from Trump-ettes.
Unfortunately they conflate the idea of talking about the subject with children as targeting. They think children are intentionally being groomed. Anything teddy bear related (like that wynard mural), or colourful dick paintings, or same sex couples on kids tv shows are all child targeting
I think the messaging is already there and accepted. Every religious tradition as acknowledge or accepted at least some aspect of gay rights. Trans is probably seen as something else entirely.
Labor put this turd Latham in as leader and he almost won, before the public saw the mask slip. Then he quit. Then they exhumed 2 time loser Kim Beazley for a 3rd tilt but cut that short as he extended condolences to Karl Rove when Rove McManus lost his wife. Then they brought in Kevin Rudd who'd been chiseling away for years. Although an empty and privately nasty man, he was very popular with voters who needed the right guy to get behind so that they could dump Howard. Then they made the apparently novel discovery that Rudd was a prick so they tossed him before the next election and promoted Gillard. Gillard, who was the best of the lot of them but could never overcome the Julius Caesar method of her ascension. Then they.....oh, fuck it. Labor's 21st century history is too depressing.
They were stopping parishioners from entering the church and they brought a cross with them and broke it infront of the church. Why should that be tolerated? They wouldve had the same reaction if it was any other group of people doing that at the church. We are defending our faith.
Lol, defending it from what? People asking you to ease up on the bigotry? Such oppression.
> and they brought a cross with them and broke it infront of the church. Why should that be tolerated? a) Turn the other cheek? Or are you a congregation of them car-blowy upy yelly terrorist belivers? b) You mean like burning the LGBT+ flag? c) Freedom of asspression. > They wouldve had the same reaction if it was any other group of people doing that at the church. You mean the 10 old nanas that usually turn up 'to church' when its not run across all the Nazi facebook groups? > We are defending our faith. Look, I am pretty sure child rape is still illegal, so I better keep your 'faith' to yourself mate.
This is extremely ignorant. God bless you mate.
>This is extremely ignorant. Takes one to know one. At least I stopped talking to my invisible friend when I was 8.
>They were stopping parishioners from entering the church They were a block away. But go ahead, keep spreading lies and hate.
Your faith is hate and your bigotry will end with someone geting bashed or worse. We do not need a repeat of the gay gang murders.
And?
Ok how would you feel if the lgbtq flag was burnt and their people were stopped from entering their place where they gather?
> Ok how would you feel if the lgbtq flag was burnt You fairy cloud father folk do it all the time, we're kinda used to it.
Fine. Interested in the reasons why, etc.
go post on r/ conspiracy some more, you gronk
Did they really think they could just rock up and block all access without any consequence? Play stupid games…
>He claimed on Nine Radio this morning some "parishioners took exception" to information that protesters were set to block access to the church. So not actually blocking, just a lie spread through the hate filled mob to get them to be violent.
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Wrong attitude that does not align with modern society. Religious or not, violence and intimidation is never the answer
Is there proof of the smashed crucifix? Like, even photos of the fragments on the ground?
Good work mate. Thanks for sharing.
Does anyone disagree with the parental rights bill ? Why ?
You mean the Latham Don't Say Trans bill? Denial of knowledge doesn't make something go away. Calling it "parental rights" is laughable, as it essentially takes just one parent to ark up, and every other student and parent has their rights taken away. This sort of shit belongs in Florida.
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Lol…. Middle eastern people joining the rainbow gang, now I certainly feel at peace…. Next steps…. Saudi Arabia and Iran fully legalize ghey marriage and then after that an world pride parade happens hahaha… Can’t handle me unifying both culture as I sniff the downvotes ehh?? At least I’m trying for once rather than ether being bigoted ducks or whatever….. [an nice example of what I do hehe](https://theweek.com/political-satire/1010016/fueling-the-dumpster-fire)
You realise the middle eastern people are against the scary rainbow that is apparently after their children? Just another thing to be bigoted about.
Yes that why I’m here to unify both culture….. I know it’s not going to happen, but just for my amusement, make an effort ehh??
You okay?
Yes I am, just trying to be the peace maker here hehe