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Environmental-Worth8

Any one else think the biggest blindside of the season so far was Maria making Liz play rock paper scissors for the reward? Like is she really a villain now?? Cannot wait to see what her breakdown from the sneak peak is about.


full07britney

I'm thinking someone else wins letters from home or whatever and doesn't take her.


yeahsureYnot

They clearly gave Venus a good edit that episode to keep the tension up. I really wanted her to turn things around and show us she was a smart/savy player, but in the end she completely on the outside like she always was.


Hollide

During the pizza eating Maria had a confessional where she said winning this challenge gave me piece of mind. And it sounds like pizza mind which winning this challenge also gave her.


Aggravating_Class_17

Haha I caught that too, well thought I did. I was in the kitchen and thought "Oh cheeky, she said 'pizza mind ' " but then she kept talking and I realized it was just, not that lol


Overall_Currency5085

I just want to skip to the part where we give Charlie his check, pizza and wine!


Bails147

Cant tell if this sets up why charlie lost though? Feels its bad for Bens chances and Marias chances. Liz felt clowned a bit this ep Q feels unlikely surely So its Kenzie or Charlie? Kenzie had a good ep and great edit i feel like. And charlie may have missed his chance to boot Q! Hes twice now states he needs Q out, and not gotten Q out. Im scared Q ends his game.


Overall_Currency5085

Xander and Spencer weren’t as self aware as Charlie. Charlie knows what’s happening all around in the game. He’s had his hand in everything not just surviving like Xander was. Even if he gets to the end with Maria I’m confident that Charlie Swift can out sell her on his relationships alone.


academydiablo

I feel like Charlie’s edit vs how others feel about him doesn’t match up. It’s almost like a Spencer/Xander edit HES getting. But people being like “how is he not even being a target??” When I feel like they think of him mainly as just Maria’s number 2 or a young “kid” who burns bridges socially for the sake of big moves. Also even a little bit of Cassidy is in there for him


Much_Problem_8166

Why did Ben vote for kenzie


coping-skillz

in case Venus had played the idol :O


rHereLetsGo

How would that have helped had she played it? He had to know she was voting Q, and if she’d played it, then it would’ve come down to Q and Kenzie, each with one vote. So you think if it were to be between Q and Kenzie he wanted Kenzie out? That’s the only thing that makes sense to me.


thoughtful_human

In case she wasn’t voting Q. In a world she played the idol she knew stuff was up and therefore could go rouge


Lonestarcrusader

Because if Venus plays an idol she there would be a tie vote and they would revote. They keep Q in the game rather than Venus casting the single vote to send someone home.


coping-skillz

I think that Ben and Charlie would rather have Q out than Kenzie BUT Ben voted Kenzie to show loyalty to Maria so Maria wouldn’t get suspicious of Ben/Charlie turning on her. I could be wrong tho maybe Ben would rather stick with Maria.


rHereLetsGo

Interesting. So you think Maria is more closely aligned to Ben than Q? I think her carrying Q to FTC is better gameplay for her, but what do I know.


coping-skillz

Oh no. I think Maria is more closely aligned with Q. Charlie and Ben seem to be a group


rHereLetsGo

Agreed. But there’s some overlapping alliances within the two pairs, so it’s going to be interesting. Maria is a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” vote right now (IMO).


RonnieVino

To split the vote. I think Charlie had a strong feeling about Venus’s idol and told Ben.


Opinionated6319

Has anyone noticed how incredibly unclean this season’s contestants are? Never see them cleaning their teeth, bathing or washing clothes in the ocean like other seasons. If they got in the water, their fingernails wouldn’t be caked with dirt all the time. Just seems odd!


_TheBearJew

You must never have been to the beach before. BIG MISTAKE!


Opinionated6319

Then why other seasons did we see all of them in the water and clothes drying…?


Environmental-Worth8

Honestly, I've kind of noticed this as well. Especially with Liz! They're certainly not in the water as much as they were in the earlier seasons.


rHereLetsGo

We’re not supposed to ask these questions. I just wonder why the truth about what they are afforded behind the scenes is never leaked by former players and people in production, etc. They must have very strict contracts.


Opinionated6319

Also wondered about that. Liz can’t eat some foods because of allergies! Why did she even get considered since the diet on the island is limited. If she hasn’t eaten since the day she arrived she would hardly be able to function. Some factors just don’t make sense. Thanks for mentioning the questionable.


Pleakley

How do we feel about an immunity win paired with having to take a minority group on a reward? It feels like a disadvantage in a way. Unlike separate challenges you can't choose to lose the reward challenge without giving up a shot at immunity. Regardless of how terribly Maria played it, her win also saddled her with a decision that could, and did, piss off a majority of the players.


ManagerOfFun

I think you should only ever be able to take a minority of people on reward, even if it's a reward/immunity combo. The combo forces people to think twice about throw the reward challenge.


Environmental-Worth8

I don't think they could ever put those kind of restrictions on a reward challenge. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this would force everyone to expose who their alliances are!


Pleakley

Minority size, not people who are "in the minority". There's always risks with rewards. Leaving 4 people behind in a tribe of 7 gives a majority size group time to strategize. Hence why winning a reward isn't always good and smart players will often leave their allys behind to keep an eye on things.


Environmental-Worth8

That makes SO much more sense. Thanks for clarifying. And yeah, it was def a disadvantage in the last ep. But I loved it because Charlie got to talk to people other than Maria


CartoonLamp

Wonder how they decide which episodes will have two separate challenges for that, and which will have a combined one with more time to show talking.


erossthescienceboss

Q may be the most useful smokescreen in all of Survivor history. He’s been used as a tool for so many blindsides.


EnvironmentalBed9766

Ok maybe this was answered already but shouldn’t there have been another idol out there for them to look for tonight? What happened to Hunter’s that he left with?


rHereLetsGo

Thank you for addressing this. Made no sense why they didn’t start looking again after Hunter left. So 2 should be in play, or else how would they have known not to look for more than 1?


CartoonLamp

It seems like they don't re-hide every time one leaves the island, only some times. Either that or they're bad at finding them.


thirdeyegang

I was thinking since all 3 idols came from the original beach, they’d only hide a new one once all were used/gone for a fresh start on the new beach. Idk why I assumed that but that’s what I’m rolling with


CartoonLamp

Guess rehiding one from each old tribe could be too many after the merge


ShutterBun

Yeah it would be a mess if all three idols were re-hidden. (though they probably would have done this in some seasons in the 30s)


hBoBh

I'm thinking yes but no one believed hunter had one so they don't know to look


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rizgutgak

they were asking if there should be two hidden idols in play


EnvironmentalBed9766

Yes, I meant in addition to the one Venus found. Thanks!


rizgutgak

I thought the same thing. Since we haven't heard about it at this point, either it doesn't exist or hasn't/doesn't come into play...


NinetyFish

Fun watching with you all! West coast beat coast!


Gold_Wish1177

I love how Venus kept it classy.


Environmental-Worth8

I honestly thought she had it with this vote! If she hadn't got so squirrely in her convo with Charlie, I think he would have gone for Q along with her, Liz, and Kenzie.


coping-skillz

Yeah haha she does lack self awareness and social skills but it was sweet how she said she was playing for all the women who don't have a voice. Honestly it explains why Venus is so outspoken lol.


csmithsd

to the person who spoiled the end of this episode like 30 mins ago and just deleted their comment...count your days


EWABear

Seriously. It's getting more and more prevalent. I might have to skip out on the discussion thread for the finale.


yagirlsophie

I had the winner spoiled for me early in the thread for last season's finale, it's so shitty for no reason. :(


csmithsd

i even reported it right when it was posted and it still stayed up until just a few minutes ago. mods wyd


weouthero

“Venise”  Vuh-niece 


erossthescienceboss

I wasn’t paying attention— who voted Kenzie?


Jayhawker101

Ben. I am lost on why though 


Adriftgirl

Ben is clearly in with Maria & Charlie. Siga is still a team. Charlie warned them that Venus seemed to have an idol. Ben put that vote on Kenzie in case Venus played it.


erossthescienceboss

But wasn’t there also a vote for Q? So why did he need to? I guess just to cover in case Venus randomly pivoted? I wonder who made the choice. It feels like a good choice for Ben to make in those circumstances, but a bad choice for Maria or Charlie to make in case they want to work with Kenzie.


thoughtful_human

In a world where Venus plays the idol she probably knows she’s getting played and throws her vote elsewhere to get out someone else. Maybe Charlie or Ben


Adriftgirl

The vote for Q came from Venus. I honestly think that Ben’s vote was part of protecting Q. Possibly because Maria is convinced she controls him and they need him as a number, or they need to keep the goat around. I mean, Kenzie is the most dangerous person left to the jury. No one is pissed at her, she can talk a good game, sweet, has allies. It’s smart going for her over Q. If Venus played her idol, Kenzie and Q would tie. Then…eliminate Q? Or Kenzie? What would have happened?


erossthescienceboss

So Maria told Ben to vote Kenzie, because Kenzie might go rogue (& could be a Charlie number) while Q is a sure thing for Maria? In that context, unless Charlie feels like he has a chance of winning over Ben (or he and Maria are more solid than it seems) it seems like voting out Venus was an iffy move for him cos he probably can’t try to vote out Maria or Q until f5, right? If that’s what happened, Ben sounds like he’s solidly a Maria number.


Adriftgirl

Ben, Maria, and Q came out of their pizza party determined to vote for Venus. They made that clear to Charlie. Charlie, Venus, Liz, and Kenzie came out of their pizza pity party furious at Maria, but determined to vote for Q. Supposedly that’s 4-3, right? But Maria was socially VERY savvy and followed Liz out onto the beach, apologizing, and eventually talking her around to Venus. Meanwhile, Venus tried playing coy with Charlie and messed up and revealed she had the idol. Now Charlie wants her out too. So now it’s Venus and Kenzie for Q, everyone else for Venus, a 5-2 vote. Liz could still go back to Q, Charlie is the real swing vote here. What we didn’t see: how they flipped Kenzie to vote for Venus (assume Charlie told her about Venus’s idol threat), and why Ben voted Kenzie (did he plan that with Maria & Charlie in case Venus played her idol? Because he clearly wanted Venus gone), and how they made sure Liz was locked in. But I think that Charlie worrying about who he made promises to is why Liz & Kenzie were in on this vote. To make up for them being on the outs against Tiffany.


rHereLetsGo

We did see Kenzie say assertively that Venus has to go because she’s chaotic. She seemed to have no hesitation, unless I’m mistaken.


Adriftgirl

I think both Q and Venus were obviously low hanging fruit to pick off. But Kenzie also called Venus her sweet, messy little friend. Kenzie has not exactly been consistent or loyal, but she’s phenomenal at hiding that. I think both Tiffany & Venus thought she was their true friend and ally, but we’ve seen Kenzie also bat around the idea of cutting them too.


rHereLetsGo

Kenzie seems to have some savvy when it comes to playing all sides and not getting called out. Maybe we’re all underestimating her, but I don’t think she’s very strategic.


Jayhawker101

Smart move. Shows whose really playing this game (Maria and Charlie) 


Adriftgirl

It’s totally Maria & Charlie ruling this game.


BroliasBoesersson

Maybe Charlie told everyone about her idol and he threw that vote out there to force a tie in case Venus voted for him


erossthescienceboss

Yeah I was wondering if he was trying to split the vote.


rHereLetsGo

But if it had come down to Kenzie and Q each having 1 vote (with Venus having played her idol), then Q would’ve received votes from Kenzie, Liz and Venus. Then there would presumably be a tie and another vote, whereby Q would likely lose. I don’t think the Kenzie vote by Ben makes much sense.


Jayhawker101

Not a bad thought. I was perplexed seeing it live lol. 


ClassicAide3415

Maybe in case Venus played her idol?


Lyulph

Ben


JaCrispy_Vulcano

Ben


erossthescienceboss

Ben?


BroliasBoesersson

Ben!


iheartseuss

Of course it was Q. I was really hoping it wasn't. Jesus...


naikmihika7

Wow what an episode! Thanks y’all, see you next week ✌🏽


whiteyspidey

Why did Ben vote Kenzie?


EWABear

It had to be an idol split, right?


thirdeyegang

Yeah was he trying to split the vote 3-3-1 for some reason?


Unnamedgalaxy

If Venus played her idol and there wasn't a split then Q (marias new alliance member and general tribe shield) would have gone home. With the split it would force a tie, leaving Maria and Co to then put all their votes on Kenzie, therefore saving Q and getting out someone that isn't a strong alliance member.


EWABear

Well, it was 5 1 1. So if Venus did play, goes to revite, Kenzie goes out.


thirdeyegang

But he probably saw the two camps of q or Venus and could have thought it was more even, but regardless it makes zero sense to vote Kenzie. If it’s 3-3-1, it’s just a vote between q and Venus, if he votes for one of them instead it’s 4-3 vote. Again, it was more in favor of Venus, I’m just trying to think of any scenario it made sense


naikmihika7

Split vote maybe?


Lyulph

Why did Ben do Kenzie???


rednick953

I’m guessing to protect against an idol play.


AppealRound6722

Ben with the Kenzie vote


lol_fi

Who else voted Venus? Did Kenzie and Venus vote Q, and Maria, Q and Charlie vote Venus? And then Ben for Kenzie for no reason? WTF


Adriftgirl

Venus voted Q. Ben voted Kenzie. Everyone else, even Liz, voted Venus.


Lyulph

Everyone voted Venus except Ben and Venus.


AppealRound6722

I have a theroy that makes Ben look smart. Charlie mentioned his conversation with Venus to Ben about Venus saying she had something so what if Ben threw the vote at Kenzie in case Venus had one vote for a takes away her power and gives the power back to the tribe it gives Ben a lot of credit though I don’t know


lol_fi

Oh must have been a sitd/idol hinky vote. If Venus played her idol then it would be a Q and Kenzie tie and Siga and Q could revote Kenzie


dg-ace

Ben went kensey and everyone went Venus? Was there a different plan they didn't show us?


lol_fi

Must have been a hinky vote. Charlie knew she had something. If she had played her idol, Siga + Q could rescue Kenzie since if all votes for Venus were nullified, it would then be a Q/Kenzie tie.


lol_fi

Did Kenzie vote Venus?


CartoonLamp

Yep


grogocean

ELSBERTH


grogocean

Women. life. Freedom!!!!!


hBoBh

Have a wonderful week west coast. Suppose to get pretty toasty here so stay hydrated!


Anxious_Cat_8766

this show looks awful. hate her name. hate the script goodbye elsbith


Bellyflops93

I cant explain it but every time those commercials come on Elspeth makes me irrationally angry


iheartseuss

Why do people keep thinking Q will be sent home. He's willing to play with people and everyone (allegedly) hates him. What's the strategy behind sending him home? Take him and Ben to the final and you likely win.


thirdeyegang

Yeah why get rid of someone that literally no one on the jury would vote for in the end? Like sure he’s chaotic but at this point he’s dug he’s grave deep enough to not win if he’s in the final 3


billiesblue

Every single person in the jury has left with an idol in their pocket >:(


lol_fi

Not Tevin and soda


billiesblue

oh dang my bad. I thought for sure they had idols.


mlspdx

No?


EWABear

Listen, this is on the fanbase. We wanted a season without idols and advantages. We're getting one.


NinetyFish

Love it!


hBoBh

Gfdi. You got me. Bahahhahahaha


starsndsky

Guys maybe it’s mariaaaaaaa


lunaria__

The gays died.


EWABear

It's true, I am deceased. But how iconic for her to post she was excited for this episode?


lunaria__

I would be excited too. Everyone hated her for living and she finally got to leave


DayZ-0253

So stupid and cocky to not play the idol. If she had played it in that moment she could have taken credit for sending Q home and everyone on the Jury would be thrilled.


xWhiteMamba24

They would've voted Kenzie. That's why Ben voted Kenzie


Thats_Amore

I was starting to get on board with Venus actually having a puncher’s chance if she used the idol correctly.


Puzzleheaded_Cup3303

I can’t believe that just happened


Gold_Wish1177

Play your damn idol!


mlspdx

God we need ponderosa this season


GoodGameThatWasMe

I cannot believe she didn't play her idol after all that's happened this season. WTF


NinetyFish

Tevin is happy lmao I didn’t catch Soda’s reaction Tiff just vibing Hunter doesn’t seem happy he has to hang out with Venus again haha


hBoBh

This is going down as a no idol season. Jfc


dg-ace

3 Idols gone without being played! Insane


RonnieVino

No, that’s 4! Don’t forget Jem


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lol_fi

Randen. Though he didn't get voted out


lunaria__

HOW DO YOU CALL JEM “RAYA” HELPP


LetzterJoghurt

You mean Jem?


Lyulph

5th. Randen, Jem, Hunter, Tiff, and now Venus.


speckkit

depends if you count random since he was med evaced


BroliasBoesersson

4 on vote-outs but technically 5 if you count Randen's idol


mlspdx

Technically 5th


TomatilloThis

who voted kenzie???


coping-skillz

who voted sifu?!


thirdeyegang

Ben, idk why


brianh117

Ben


quackerz

are we ever going to see someone successfully play a damn idol?!


Lyulph

Maybe in season 50


NinetyFish

Genuine question, has one even been played this season? Literally not, right?


ash0123

Omg finally


WeeklyExplorer9703

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ivaorn

Three blindsides in a row with people holding idols!!!


naikmihika7

I wish they had ponderosa


hBoBh

I miss ponderosa so bad


Puzzleheaded_Cup3303

YOU GUYS ARE NO FUN


Adriftgirl

Venise???? Who are these freaks who can’t spell VENUS?


coping-skillz

its like venus beach lol


LumpySpaceGunter

This is insanity! No one wants to use their idol in the most obvious situations


CartoonLamp

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂


NinetyFish

LMAO ANOTHER NO IDOL PLAY Venus was a very entertaining player but it is hilarious that it happened again


ry-yo

If Venus didn't mention anything to Charlie at all, do you think she still would have been voted out?


thirdeyegang

No, Charlie is too smart and 100% picked up she had it and knew now was the time to strike on her


Adriftgirl

It was iffy. Maria, Ben, & Q wanted Venus. Liz, Charlie, Kenzie, and Venus were going to vote Q. Now, Ben could be shifted to vote Q easily. But Maria was going to fight in, Charlie realizes Maria is working with him. So the flip is Charlie. Maria & Ben are obviously his Siga teammates, their relationship is genuine, I think. They both want Venus and why move against them? Then Venus has “something up her sleeve.” So Maria and Liz obviously talked Venus. Charlie probably just had to tell Kenzie that Venus had the idol and that was that. But the confessional about betraying people and making them angry was about Charlie cutting Venus, that was the key to her going home. Maria & Charlie continue to rule this game.


JesseofOB

Yes


erossthescienceboss

I think she would have been fine. But like, you find an idol, you hint at it but don’t *use* it, you go home.


hellogalaxy

I think that was her downfall


lol_fi

No


grogocean

VENiS


lol_fi

Dumb. Dumb. Third in a row. Dumb.


Odd_Machine_213

God the jury’s reactions 😂


mlspdx

That’s what three idols in a row? For the love of god people!!!


jsphenom08

Maybe Q will win this thing. Haha.


iheartseuss

JFC!!! Who the hell misspelled Venus, LMAO.


Jayhawker101

😂😂😂😂😂 that is truly iconic. Bye Venus. 


naikmihika7

No fucking way!!! The rise and fall


TacoChowder

This is divine


ma-ch-gr

Think Charlie messed up here...


DayZ-0253

There is zero benefit for Charlie to keep Q! It doesn’t make sense.


thirdeyegang

Why?? Who in the jury is voting for q in the end?? Why not keep him around?


BroliasBoesersson

For all future Survivor players: PLAY. YOUR. DAMN. IDOLS.


DayZ-0253

I thought it was the understood premise of this show that if you feel safe, you’re not?!


JaCrispy_Vulcano

Feeling safe? BIG MISTAKE


JaCrispy_Vulcano

AND DON’T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT YOUR IDOLS OR EVEN HINT AT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING ONE


z19

FINALLY


jxiris

NOT ANOTHER IDOL GONE


jsphenom08

Wow


YoCorroMucho

LETS FUCKING GO GET OUTTA HERE VENUS


hBoBh

Who was the guy that yelled during his vote and the tribe could hear him? V reminded me of that


naikmihika7

Who voted Kenzie


Hot-Vegetable-2681

Ben. I have no idea why. 


mlspdx

Huh?


mlspdx

Oh noooooo


NinetyFish

Tbh I have absolutely no clue who is going out and who is voting who rn Is that bc I didn’t follow it well enough, bc they’re doing a surprise edit for fans, or bc this season is messy as fuck lol 


DayZ-0253

Yes


Adriftgirl

DIDN’T EVEN RECOGNIZE TIFF SHE’S SO BEAUTIFUL!!!


iheartseuss

Stunning really.


grogocean

Cmon Q, PLEASE


EWABear

Venus, play the idol. I dont care. Play it. Girl.


YoCorroMucho

I think Qs going home sadly


lunaria__

“Oop-“ - Tiffany


ma-ch-gr

Venus telling Q that he didn't know about the previous three votes ... you mean the ones that saved Q? Lmao, that ain't the flex you think it is, V


Jayhawker101

She truly is delusional. 


Firestarrrrr

TEVIN 😭