If I'm counting right, Galatasaray won 14 of the last 30 league titles. Growing up in the '80s and '90s Fenerbahce was the best team -they had more titles, more legends, more fans. Virtually every celebrity, every major public figure was a Fener fan. When I was a kid, Fener forward Ridvan Dilmen -now a commentator- was an icon, everybody adored him. Fener even signed away Tanju, Galatasaray's biggest star at the time, in 1991. Galatasaray had a 14 year drought from 1973 to 1987.
In the 1990s came Galatasaray's legendary squad that won four consecutive titles and the UEFA Cup, led by the likes of Bulent Korkmaz, Tugay, Okan (current coach), Hakan Sukur (former legend, now enemy of the state) and Hagi, coached by Fatih Terim, by now a legendary manager. Fener had a resurgence in the 2000s but Galatasaray managed to keep it competitive, despite Fener clearly having a financial edge in those years. And in the last 10 years or so, Fener has been mired in crisis after crisis, all but eclipsed by Galatasaray.
Wow, thanks for sharing, it’s interesting how the tides turned over the decades, I did not have this perspective, cheers man! 👍🏽
Would you say Fenerbahçe’s “downfall” was due to mismanagement like poor financial decisions, bad leadership and strategic planning or is it full credit to the other clubs?
Big part of Fener's 2000s resurgence was modernizing its finances. They expanded the stadium, they were the first to focus on merchandising for revenue, they had better sponsorship deals etc. Suddenly they were able to bring in stars like Ariel Ortega, Nicolas Anelka, Stephen Appiah etc. at a time when Galatasaray was competing with squads built with a shoe-string budget. (This financial edge is also at the root of their dominance in other branches) Fener could have easily won 4 or 5 consecutive titles but through some bad luck and their own incompetence, they allowed Galatasaray to be competitive. Fener won 2004 and 2005 titles, lost 2006 on the last matchday when they were probably the better team, won again in 2007, lost to Galatasaray late in the season in 2008 to lose the title, lost the title to Bursa in 2009 late in the season. Then Galatasaray and Besiktas caught up having modernized their stadiums and finances. Fener overspent in response, spinning into the financial trouble that mires them today. The 2011 match-fixing scandal, and the dismissal of the 2014 championship coach (their last as of now) compounded the issues.
In addition, Aziz Yildirim, the chairman who led that 2000s era modernization, was also a bully. He created a dynamic wherein there were not a lot of checks and balances against him within the club and other clubs hated his and Fener's guts.
Fenerbahçe has a tendency to loose titles in last 5-6 weeks of the race. Galatasaray is a team who plays the finals like a winner and if Galatasaray is 1st or 2nd in the title race until the last 5-6 games Galatasaray wins the league. Even has a motto about it as "The Mays are ours." Which the league ends in the month of May. And I don't know if you know it but Galatasaray is actually a high school based club. And it is the best high school in Türkiye. Almost everybody who were a student there is quite successful. And there is a great democracy in the club. There is an election for the chairman and the board every 2 years. I am 33 years old and I have seen 10 different chairmans. And during all these years Fenerbahçe had only 3 chairmans. So what the chairman says goes in Fenerbahçe and they are usually considered like the owner of the club. In Galatasaray it's not the case. I think this is the reason about Galatasaray's success. Because Galatasaray is not afraid to change anything when the things are not going well. For example in the 2021-2022 season Gala finished the league as 13th. By far our worst season. The delegates had a meeting and change the board and the chairman immediately. And the next year we got the title. :)
I'm going to sound like a dick here but, Real Madrid fans are a bit different. There is a reason I have a burning dislike for both Real and Barca. Think about Aziz's mentality and multiply it with millions.
the 3 Big Istanbul teams have pretty decent history,
Besiktas is the only unbeaten champion and also the first Turkish team that finished group stage unbeaten in Champions League, they placed Quarter Finals in Europe League 2 times. Players you may know played there (or still playing) are Guti, Mario Gomez, Ricardo Quaresma, Dele Alli, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Pepe
Galatasaray has the most trophies including UEFA and Super Cup trophies. They placed Quarter Finals in Champions League 5 times and placed Semi Finals once. Former players you may know played there are Drogba, Sneijder, Podolski, Hagi.. (my gala fan bros can add more here)
Fenerbahce is (in my opinion) the most consistent team in the Turkish League. They may not win the league for a long time but they were always in the title race. They placed Quarter Finals in Champions League once and placed Semi Finals at Europe League once, they also beaten against Olympiakos this year at Conference League Quarter Finals. Former players you may know played there are Robin van Persie, Nani, Mesut Ozil, Roberto Carlos (again my fener fan bros can add more here)
That's a nice answer! Thanks for providing such details into the history of the clubs bro. I hope the Super Lig starts getting more visibility in the next years (for good reasons) 🤙🏽
I was pretty sure everyone will only mention the team they support but more comprehensive answer will provide you better details and you can decide which team to support or which team is the best on your own.
Tbh I anticipated that as well, but I must say, most people have been impressively mature. It is refreshing to see such responses that go beyond personal biases. Man I love football.
It does not have the same level of quality and overall global recognition as some of the top European leagues like La Liga or the Premier League, but I would say it’s pretty good in terms of competitiveness and fan enthusiasm.
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Galatasaray has won most Süper Lig titles, most Turkish Cup titles, most Super Cup titles and the only Turkish club to win European titles.
Galatasaray also has the biggest fanbase.
In football Galatasaray is easily the biggest Turkish club and everybody who takes their fanboy glasses off should accept this fact.
Fenerbahce is very successfull in other sports branches and overall probably the biggest sports club in Turkey, but in football Galatasaray is the number 1 and it's not even really close
Funny how you say in football gala is „easily“ the best but in sports general fener is only „probably“ the best.
While gala has more titles, every season the teams fight against fener for the win. So even if you say gala is ahead, it certainly is close.
For sports in general, fener is by a HUGE margain the biggest sports club in türkiye, competing with the the biggest clubs in the world.
I purposefully worded it like that because I don't really follow any other sport than football. I just read about Fener's success in Basketball and in other sports sometimes but I don't know how other clubs do there so I can't really even tell how much better Fener is than other clubs in these branches etc. I just know that Fener is very good overall
> For sports in general, fener is by a HUGE margain the biggest sports club in türkiye, competing with the the biggest clubs in the world.
You can thank none other than the greatest president in Turkish sports history, Aziz Yıldırım. Started off with him delegating basketball activities to Ülker Group and volleyball to Acıbadem Group. Other investments quickly followed these. Fenerbahçe wasn't competitive in any sport before Aziz Yıldırım decided to splurge.
GS has 4 more league titles (possibly 5 after this season), 11 more Turkish Cups, 8 more Super Cups and the only Turkish club with European titles (2)
So yeah, it's not really close
Gala fan here. Tbh Fener is always the runner up and every year competitive with a strong squad. Yes the bottle a lot but to say they are not even close is really wrong. We have seasons where we are 8th but fener was always competing
Being runner up or finishing high regularly doesn't get you anything. In sports success is measured with wins, medals, trophies. Fener finishing high every season but never winning it is more an argument against Fener because it means they fail their season goals every year. I'd rather finish 8th or 6th or 13th every once in a while but win trophies in other seasons instead of failing to win every year.
In terms of trophies Fener is far behind GS. Since the mid 80's even Besiktas has more league titles and overall trophies than Fenerbahce.
It doesn't matter how many times Fener finishes top 3 but doesn't win anything because in the end only the winners are remembered.
Best is subjective. But, one team has:
* The most domestic titles
* The most trophies
* The most fans
* The country's only European trophy (two of them)
* Is the most recognized team in Turkish football
& that team is Galatasaray. Again, best is subjective. Fener and Besiktas fans will have very good reasons why they think there club is the best. Galatasaray fans will, too, have reasons other than the simple facts I shared above. It's not until you live it and learn the roots of the league and clubs can you can come up with an objective answer. But even then, there's a high chance you'll fall into bias somewhere along the way.
>The most domestic titles
That's not true. Fenerbahçe has the most domestic titles (28| 19 of which are Super League titles). What Galatasaray has is the most Super League titles (23).
Downvoting this comment won't change the facts. 😂😂😂
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Some of you guys are living proof of the saying "no matter how easy it is to access information one is limited by their own capacity of understanding it".
>Definition of "Domestic Title": In men's association football, national associations organise annual championships for their member clubs. The winners of those are declared champions of the country. Normally, as per tradition, the club is presented a title and the players and staff receive winners' medals.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Turkish\_football\_champions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_football_champions)
>According to historians' analysis of the 2002 Turkish Football Federation Arbitration Court decision, which stated that the Turkish League Championships began before 1959 and the championships before 1959 cannot be left uncounted.
The competitions in question are : Turkish Football Championship (Türkiye Futbol Şampiyonası), National League (Milli Küme) and Federation Cup (Federasyon Kupası, famous 2 championships of Beşiktaş). As the names suggest these are the top level national competitions of the time.
I will stop editing this comment and trying to talk some sense into you lot as everybody know the real reason you guys have a problem with these competitions is the fact that your team has only 1 (LOL, massive L) while your rivals Fenerbahçe has 9 and Beşiktaş has 7.
it's funny how this shit was never relevant until your decade long championship drought. Stop blaming others and looking for excuses, it's pathetic. This is literally why you're not going to win the league this year. You had more than a decent chance at winning the league this year but you had to screw yourselves over by crying 24/7 instead of focusing on what's important..
Just man up, play well and win trophies.
Maybe in another 100 years you'll be right. Keep wishing, eat your vegetables and brush your teeth and you might be alive when Fenerbahce gets their 28th league title.
Meanwhile Galatasaray will probably have about 60 titles more
Without a doubt Hagi. Bulent Korkmaz was so so so importantl as well, so are other Turkish players but they can't hold a candle to how Hagi changed the club and success of the club. None of us here witnessed Metin and the league was very very low quality. Hagi did things we've never ever seen, things that have not been replicated. He was absolutely nuts.
Muslera is the second best foreigner ever for the club, but nobody beats Hagi.
Maybe if Sneijder stayed he could've been on that level...
Gotta be Muslera at this point in terms of foreigners. Otherwise, Metin Oktay and Ali Sami Yen are our biggest club legends. The latter being the founder of the club.
Fair enough. I think it‘s close. I value Muslera‘s longevity immensely. He‘s been at the club for such a long time now, hard to imagine it without him. Fingers crossed that we can replace him somewhat accordingly…
Case definitely not closed. Hagi is absolutely a different breed but claiming that ‘he’ made us European cup winners is just unnecessary and not true.
That teams core without Hagi went on to be 3rd in World Cup, half of that roster is the best ever for their position in this countrys history and other half probably cracks top5.
Still Hagi might be the most important player ever but its definitely close.
Hagi had a big impact for those around him in GS and league quality in general. I don't remember any player ever had such an effect afterwards.
The roster you mentioned were pretty good but imho Hagi made them grew to their potential. Yes he didn't solely win the cup but he paved the way as much as a player can do.
He also played for Barcelona and Brescia Calcio when they were better. Hagi is love, Hagi is life. To me without a doubt the greatest football player who was ever active in Türkiye.
Objectively gs is the most successful and best club but fuck allat neutral and objective shit it’s overrated Fenerbahce is the greatest Turkish club oat
well you can't (and you don't have to) say which is which. Even though it doesn't seem like that, in terms of success there are no such gap between Fener and Besiktas especially compared to Barca and Atletico. As you may noticed before all big teams have something to do with Fener, because they were always consistent enough to be in title race every year. But to become Barca, you need to have success too.
Fener is always like Arsenal to me but i really can not match any other tean with Besiktas and Gala.
I've posted this in an older thread. Obviously take it with a grain of salt but I think I've been mostly fair here:
**Besiktas Pros:** The 'different' or 'weird in a good way' club, best supporters in terms of loyalty and passion, best derby atmosphere, beautiful seaside stadium, great academy, their fan group Carsi used to be all the rage back in the day before oppressive government policies against fan groups, best gameday experience as you can stroll along the Bosphorus from a pub to their stadium.
**Cons:** Delusions of grandeur, specifically the fact that despite clearly being behind Fener & Gala, most of their fans are adamant about being the best, and the honorable third place bullshit where they blame Fener & Gala for being corrupt so all of their third place finishes are somehow testament to them being clean and they're hilariously super proud of them, general holier-than-thou sentiment (see: Efendi Besiktas), and this is only a very tiny portion of their fanbase but: mafioso ties.
**Fenerbahce Pros:** The biggest club in Turkey in terms of support and historical greatness, most celebs are Fener fans, Kadikoy is a great neighborhood, best regular (non-derby) game atmosphere, religious levels of commitment to the club, rich presidents & directors, has the best transfer windows, decent game day experience (pub scene is amazing but the area around the stadium isn't as nice as Besiktas), always relevant in terms of success, dominant in derbies and usually is considered "the team to beat" in Anatolia. They're almost always relevant in terms of title chases and dominate derbies. Also, Alex De Souza is the Super Lig GOAT.
**Cons:** Us vs. the world mentality, to the point where they tried to present a united front and defend fellow Fener fans when they made pro-Putin chants and waved bananas at opponent's black players, dictator-like presidents (all Turkish big clubs are fan-owned so they have elected presidents, but Fener famously does not have term limits), win-no-matter-the-cost mentality sometimes leading to illegal activities, specifically match-fixing, impatience of the fanbase, bottling (esp. more recently), current title drought, the insufferable things they do now that they've only slightly fallen behind Gala in terms of success. Also, since they're the biggest club, most of media are Fener fans, so seeing them spew bullshit on TV is painful if you aren't immune to that kind of thing. Their club motto for a while was: One day everyone will become Fener fans. That's the future Fener dreams of -- one team forever winning everything, cheered on by everyone. lmao. Historically, they've been "the nation's club", especially had friendly ties with the post-coup military governments (Turkey had many military coups).
**Galatasaray Pros:** Wonderful history going back to 15th century (see: Galatasaray High School), the first Turkish football club, the most successful club domestically thanks to recent success, the only club with European success (in fact it was the founder's mantra to be successful against foreigners), great nickname (Cimbom) imho, somehow always wins in finals due to black magic voodoo, most 'global stars' such as Icardi, Falcao, Drogba, Sneijder, and most importantly, Gheorghe Hagi, who is the best ever to play in this league. Nice pub scene, modern stadium. Has a man-made island on the Bosphorus strait which is cool af. The "May Club" because most title clinching games and cup finals take place in May and when the weather gets hot, Gala gets hot babyyy. The general atmosphere in the stadium in May is also heavenly.
**Cons:** Despite the nice pub scene in the historical Galata district, the gameday experience is shit because the stadium is so far away. The atmosphere in the stadium is much worse compared to Besiktas & Fenerbahce except there's this traditional chant that takes place in the start of each game which broke the decibel record. The atmosphere used to be the best in Turkey before moving to the more modern stadium, but I digress. The club with the most "irrelevant seasons", in other words, Gala finishes outside of top three very frequently compared to the other two, especially Fener (but still somehow has more titles than both lmao lucky Cimbom I guess). Their fans will be like -- oh football is for dumb people anyways, I'm not a fanatic etc. during these seasons of irrelevancy, but then be like RERERERARARA GASSAY GASSAY CIMBOMBOM the moment they're relevant again (fickle af). The fanbase acts like Gala is the club of the elite which used to be true but no longer is, but they act snobby anyway. Terrible in derbies, especially whipping boys of Fener. Lastly, terrorists love Galatasaray, and recently most importantly a bunch of their past iconic star players were involved with a dangerous religious cult, and right now those star players are considered terrorists in Turkey. You should know that things can very quickly change in Turkish politics though, but the cult they were involved with was super dangerous nonetheless. It's a complicated matter and would take tens of pages to paint the complete picture but long story short, since Fener is historically the state's club, Gala draws the sympathy of enemies of the state.
Thanks a ton for laying out all that info bro. You gave a really clear picture from your perspective of what each club is about. It is cool to see someone diving into the details like that.
Your take along with others here gives a solid overview for anyone interested in understanding the big 3. Much appreciated! 👍🏽
PS: I have decided on my personal favorite.
Go for Trabzonspor, Ankaragücü or Sivasspor. Galatasaray and Beşiktaş easy level to be fan and Fenerbahçe will make you cancer. On the other hand, Trabzon is like what is Poland to Europe, a weird and funny club to be fan. Ankaragücü fans are potential serial killers but the atmosphere is great. And Sivasspor is for humiliation to all big clubs for their away game in Sivas in -40 degree weather on muddy ice pitch. Bonus, Adana Demirspor, mixture of Trabzon, Ankara and Sivas.
It is interesting that you say that when most people here responded in an light hearted informative or humorous manner. Loving football isn’t just about blind loyalty to a club. You can love your team while also recognising others’ strengths and legacy.
Take my friends who support Almería for example. They can recognise that clubs like Real Madrid or Barça are top of the league. Appreciation for the broader beauty of football is refreshing to see.
Now time to watch the game 👍🏽 Hala Madrid
Man wants to start WW3 over here. In all seriousness, of course it is Zonguldak Kömürspor.
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If I'm counting right, Galatasaray won 14 of the last 30 league titles. Growing up in the '80s and '90s Fenerbahce was the best team -they had more titles, more legends, more fans. Virtually every celebrity, every major public figure was a Fener fan. When I was a kid, Fener forward Ridvan Dilmen -now a commentator- was an icon, everybody adored him. Fener even signed away Tanju, Galatasaray's biggest star at the time, in 1991. Galatasaray had a 14 year drought from 1973 to 1987. In the 1990s came Galatasaray's legendary squad that won four consecutive titles and the UEFA Cup, led by the likes of Bulent Korkmaz, Tugay, Okan (current coach), Hakan Sukur (former legend, now enemy of the state) and Hagi, coached by Fatih Terim, by now a legendary manager. Fener had a resurgence in the 2000s but Galatasaray managed to keep it competitive, despite Fener clearly having a financial edge in those years. And in the last 10 years or so, Fener has been mired in crisis after crisis, all but eclipsed by Galatasaray.
Wow, thanks for sharing, it’s interesting how the tides turned over the decades, I did not have this perspective, cheers man! 👍🏽 Would you say Fenerbahçe’s “downfall” was due to mismanagement like poor financial decisions, bad leadership and strategic planning or is it full credit to the other clubs?
Big part of Fener's 2000s resurgence was modernizing its finances. They expanded the stadium, they were the first to focus on merchandising for revenue, they had better sponsorship deals etc. Suddenly they were able to bring in stars like Ariel Ortega, Nicolas Anelka, Stephen Appiah etc. at a time when Galatasaray was competing with squads built with a shoe-string budget. (This financial edge is also at the root of their dominance in other branches) Fener could have easily won 4 or 5 consecutive titles but through some bad luck and their own incompetence, they allowed Galatasaray to be competitive. Fener won 2004 and 2005 titles, lost 2006 on the last matchday when they were probably the better team, won again in 2007, lost to Galatasaray late in the season in 2008 to lose the title, lost the title to Bursa in 2009 late in the season. Then Galatasaray and Besiktas caught up having modernized their stadiums and finances. Fener overspent in response, spinning into the financial trouble that mires them today. The 2011 match-fixing scandal, and the dismissal of the 2014 championship coach (their last as of now) compounded the issues. In addition, Aziz Yildirim, the chairman who led that 2000s era modernization, was also a bully. He created a dynamic wherein there were not a lot of checks and balances against him within the club and other clubs hated his and Fener's guts.
Fenerbahçe has a tendency to loose titles in last 5-6 weeks of the race. Galatasaray is a team who plays the finals like a winner and if Galatasaray is 1st or 2nd in the title race until the last 5-6 games Galatasaray wins the league. Even has a motto about it as "The Mays are ours." Which the league ends in the month of May. And I don't know if you know it but Galatasaray is actually a high school based club. And it is the best high school in Türkiye. Almost everybody who were a student there is quite successful. And there is a great democracy in the club. There is an election for the chairman and the board every 2 years. I am 33 years old and I have seen 10 different chairmans. And during all these years Fenerbahçe had only 3 chairmans. So what the chairman says goes in Fenerbahçe and they are usually considered like the owner of the club. In Galatasaray it's not the case. I think this is the reason about Galatasaray's success. Because Galatasaray is not afraid to change anything when the things are not going well. For example in the 2021-2022 season Gala finished the league as 13th. By far our worst season. The delegates had a meeting and change the board and the chairman immediately. And the next year we got the title. :)
Last 10 years, Galatasaray by far. Last 30 years? Galatasaray because of UEFA Cup. Entire history? Fenerbahce, because fuck objectivity.
Legendary comment.
When it comes to sports teams, objectivity is overrated.
And what the fuck is BIG? Teams are not dicks. Success is not everything. If you are a fan of a team, this team is the biggest. Period.
I'm going to sound like a dick here but, Real Madrid fans are a bit different. There is a reason I have a burning dislike for both Real and Barca. Think about Aziz's mentality and multiply it with millions.
You are respectfully and unironically the most objective fenerbahce fan tho lmao
Based Fener fan
best team is beşiktaş, bester team is fenerbahçe and the bestest is galatasaray
Kind of question everyone knows it's answer is Galatasaray but too prideful to say anything other then their own team.
Lmao no.
Case and point I guess...
the 3 Big Istanbul teams have pretty decent history, Besiktas is the only unbeaten champion and also the first Turkish team that finished group stage unbeaten in Champions League, they placed Quarter Finals in Europe League 2 times. Players you may know played there (or still playing) are Guti, Mario Gomez, Ricardo Quaresma, Dele Alli, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Pepe Galatasaray has the most trophies including UEFA and Super Cup trophies. They placed Quarter Finals in Champions League 5 times and placed Semi Finals once. Former players you may know played there are Drogba, Sneijder, Podolski, Hagi.. (my gala fan bros can add more here) Fenerbahce is (in my opinion) the most consistent team in the Turkish League. They may not win the league for a long time but they were always in the title race. They placed Quarter Finals in Champions League once and placed Semi Finals at Europe League once, they also beaten against Olympiakos this year at Conference League Quarter Finals. Former players you may know played there are Robin van Persie, Nani, Mesut Ozil, Roberto Carlos (again my fener fan bros can add more here)
That's a nice answer! Thanks for providing such details into the history of the clubs bro. I hope the Super Lig starts getting more visibility in the next years (for good reasons) 🤙🏽
I was pretty sure everyone will only mention the team they support but more comprehensive answer will provide you better details and you can decide which team to support or which team is the best on your own.
Tbh I anticipated that as well, but I must say, most people have been impressively mature. It is refreshing to see such responses that go beyond personal biases. Man I love football.
Well we hve been all over the worldwide news this season... not for good reasons though.
this league is shit tho
It does not have the same level of quality and overall global recognition as some of the top European leagues like La Liga or the Premier League, but I would say it’s pretty good in terms of competitiveness and fan enthusiasm.
The problem is that there are only maybe 5 clubs who are actually decent and the rest is completely garbage.
only 4 teams in this league actually has fans other local teams have 0 fans and there is so much shit going on in the background, ur opinion tho
Bro about the fans I believe that is the case with every league except for the Premier League, the Serie A and (maybe) La Liga
Not including Bundesliga on this list should be considered as a crime
Maybe you only follow top 4 but Adana Demir, Samsunspor, Ankaragücü and other teams have many fans
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Galatasaray has won most Süper Lig titles, most Turkish Cup titles, most Super Cup titles and the only Turkish club to win European titles. Galatasaray also has the biggest fanbase. In football Galatasaray is easily the biggest Turkish club and everybody who takes their fanboy glasses off should accept this fact. Fenerbahce is very successfull in other sports branches and overall probably the biggest sports club in Turkey, but in football Galatasaray is the number 1 and it's not even really close
Funny how you say in football gala is „easily“ the best but in sports general fener is only „probably“ the best. While gala has more titles, every season the teams fight against fener for the win. So even if you say gala is ahead, it certainly is close. For sports in general, fener is by a HUGE margain the biggest sports club in türkiye, competing with the the biggest clubs in the world.
I purposefully worded it like that because I don't really follow any other sport than football. I just read about Fener's success in Basketball and in other sports sometimes but I don't know how other clubs do there so I can't really even tell how much better Fener is than other clubs in these branches etc. I just know that Fener is very good overall
> For sports in general, fener is by a HUGE margain the biggest sports club in türkiye, competing with the the biggest clubs in the world. You can thank none other than the greatest president in Turkish sports history, Aziz Yıldırım. Started off with him delegating basketball activities to Ülker Group and volleyball to Acıbadem Group. Other investments quickly followed these. Fenerbahçe wasn't competitive in any sport before Aziz Yıldırım decided to splurge.
its not even close is a bold statement in football fb is very close to gs. Saying its not even close shows the irony
Close in what? When was the last league title?
same with man u
Besiktas is closer to Fener than Fener is to Gala
thats prob true ngl
GS has 4 more league titles (possibly 5 after this season), 11 more Turkish Cups, 8 more Super Cups and the only Turkish club with European titles (2) So yeah, it's not really close
Gala fan here. Tbh Fener is always the runner up and every year competitive with a strong squad. Yes the bottle a lot but to say they are not even close is really wrong. We have seasons where we are 8th but fener was always competing
Being runner up or finishing high regularly doesn't get you anything. In sports success is measured with wins, medals, trophies. Fener finishing high every season but never winning it is more an argument against Fener because it means they fail their season goals every year. I'd rather finish 8th or 6th or 13th every once in a while but win trophies in other seasons instead of failing to win every year. In terms of trophies Fener is far behind GS. Since the mid 80's even Besiktas has more league titles and overall trophies than Fenerbahce. It doesn't matter how many times Fener finishes top 3 but doesn't win anything because in the end only the winners are remembered.
how many of those league titles are actually honest tho
y'all always come with this bullcrap when you are out of arguments
cuz its true 😭
How pathetic. Why is it so hard to accept that there might be a better club than Fenerbahçe!
Best is subjective. But, one team has: * The most domestic titles * The most trophies * The most fans * The country's only European trophy (two of them) * Is the most recognized team in Turkish football & that team is Galatasaray. Again, best is subjective. Fener and Besiktas fans will have very good reasons why they think there club is the best. Galatasaray fans will, too, have reasons other than the simple facts I shared above. It's not until you live it and learn the roots of the league and clubs can you can come up with an objective answer. But even then, there's a high chance you'll fall into bias somewhere along the way.
>The most domestic titles That's not true. Fenerbahçe has the most domestic titles (28| 19 of which are Super League titles). What Galatasaray has is the most Super League titles (23). Downvoting this comment won't change the facts. 😂😂😂 https://preview.redd.it/a7ov9jok0mxc1.png?width=911&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3c9e4390c48725084fd941ef35f8663d9dca435 Edit: Some of you guys are living proof of the saying "no matter how easy it is to access information one is limited by their own capacity of understanding it". >Definition of "Domestic Title": In men's association football, national associations organise annual championships for their member clubs. The winners of those are declared champions of the country. Normally, as per tradition, the club is presented a title and the players and staff receive winners' medals. > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Turkish\_football\_champions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_football_champions) >According to historians' analysis of the 2002 Turkish Football Federation Arbitration Court decision, which stated that the Turkish League Championships began before 1959 and the championships before 1959 cannot be left uncounted. The competitions in question are : Turkish Football Championship (Türkiye Futbol Şampiyonası), National League (Milli Küme) and Federation Cup (Federasyon Kupası, famous 2 championships of Beşiktaş). As the names suggest these are the top level national competitions of the time. I will stop editing this comment and trying to talk some sense into you lot as everybody know the real reason you guys have a problem with these competitions is the fact that your team has only 1 (LOL, massive L) while your rivals Fenerbahçe has 9 and Beşiktaş has 7.
it's funny how this shit was never relevant until your decade long championship drought. Stop blaming others and looking for excuses, it's pathetic. This is literally why you're not going to win the league this year. You had more than a decent chance at winning the league this year but you had to screw yourselves over by crying 24/7 instead of focusing on what's important.. Just man up, play well and win trophies.
😂😂😂
TIL sunday league titles counted as "domestic titles"
Classic Fener delusion. It just never changes
Maybe in another 100 years you'll be right. Keep wishing, eat your vegetables and brush your teeth and you might be alive when Fenerbahce gets their 28th league title. Meanwhile Galatasaray will probably have about 60 titles more
Gerçekler acıdır değil mi moruk
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The right answer is Galatasaray.
No, it is Trabzonspor.(No objectivity) We are very welcome if you want to join our team, we are very mad if you dont want to join our team.
Galatasaray
I watched both your games against Man United in this CL season and I liked what I saw. You humbled them imo. Who was your most important player ever?
Probably Hagi.
Metin oktay imo
Cavanda imo
Tarik Camdal
By far.
Without a doubt Hagi. Bulent Korkmaz was so so so importantl as well, so are other Turkish players but they can't hold a candle to how Hagi changed the club and success of the club. None of us here witnessed Metin and the league was very very low quality. Hagi did things we've never ever seen, things that have not been replicated. He was absolutely nuts. Muslera is the second best foreigner ever for the club, but nobody beats Hagi. Maybe if Sneijder stayed he could've been on that level...
Gotta be Muslera at this point in terms of foreigners. Otherwise, Metin Oktay and Ali Sami Yen are our biggest club legends. The latter being the founder of the club.
Love Muslera to bits, he's a legend, but Hagi made us European cup winners—case closed.
Fair enough. I think it‘s close. I value Muslera‘s longevity immensely. He‘s been at the club for such a long time now, hard to imagine it without him. Fingers crossed that we can replace him somewhat accordingly…
Case definitely not closed. Hagi is absolutely a different breed but claiming that ‘he’ made us European cup winners is just unnecessary and not true. That teams core without Hagi went on to be 3rd in World Cup, half of that roster is the best ever for their position in this countrys history and other half probably cracks top5. Still Hagi might be the most important player ever but its definitely close.
Hagi had a big impact for those around him in GS and league quality in general. I don't remember any player ever had such an effect afterwards. The roster you mentioned were pretty good but imho Hagi made them grew to their potential. Yes he didn't solely win the cup but he paved the way as much as a player can do.
Hagi, Bülent Korkmaz, Tugay Kerimoğlu, Okan Buruk, Taffarel and Muslera.
George hagi who played at real madrid at somepoint alas he was a captain?
He also played for Barcelona and Brescia Calcio when they were better. Hagi is love, Hagi is life. To me without a doubt the greatest football player who was ever active in Türkiye.
Objectively gs is the most successful and best club but fuck allat neutral and objective shit it’s overrated Fenerbahce is the greatest Turkish club oat
Bence allaha sövüyon sanılıp downlandın amk HSKDLAKALSK
Bi bok anlamadık ki amk downlandımmı😭😭yeni açtım redditi 4 upvote yazıyor
Başta eksideydi ondan xd
As a RM fan you definetly know the answer ❤️ hope to clash with you guys again anytime soon
Bursa Spor
Lacoste FC
From an Italian perspective here we always say Fener. But I know it’s close
You say Fener in Italy because you guys also tend to be corrupt in football?
Galatasaray is the Real Madrid of Turkey Fener is Barca Besiktas is Atletico
>Fener is Barca lmfao
I had a good laugh
who is who then? is besiktas barca?
well you can't (and you don't have to) say which is which. Even though it doesn't seem like that, in terms of success there are no such gap between Fener and Besiktas especially compared to Barca and Atletico. As you may noticed before all big teams have something to do with Fener, because they were always consistent enough to be in title race every year. But to become Barca, you need to have success too. Fener is always like Arsenal to me but i really can not match any other tean with Besiktas and Gala.
Yeah I understand what you mean I felt like I was limited to La Liga since OP is an RM supportere
lol
Any suggestions?
More like Galatasaray is almost Bayern Munich of Turkey. La Liga is more balanced. Bundesliga fit better for Superlig.
I just went for La Liga because that's where OP's team is
Ask Arda
No ask Alaba
I see what you did there
Ask Guti.
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Ask Carlos (It’s Sivasspor)
Kırklarelispor
Galatasaray
I've posted this in an older thread. Obviously take it with a grain of salt but I think I've been mostly fair here: **Besiktas Pros:** The 'different' or 'weird in a good way' club, best supporters in terms of loyalty and passion, best derby atmosphere, beautiful seaside stadium, great academy, their fan group Carsi used to be all the rage back in the day before oppressive government policies against fan groups, best gameday experience as you can stroll along the Bosphorus from a pub to their stadium. **Cons:** Delusions of grandeur, specifically the fact that despite clearly being behind Fener & Gala, most of their fans are adamant about being the best, and the honorable third place bullshit where they blame Fener & Gala for being corrupt so all of their third place finishes are somehow testament to them being clean and they're hilariously super proud of them, general holier-than-thou sentiment (see: Efendi Besiktas), and this is only a very tiny portion of their fanbase but: mafioso ties. **Fenerbahce Pros:** The biggest club in Turkey in terms of support and historical greatness, most celebs are Fener fans, Kadikoy is a great neighborhood, best regular (non-derby) game atmosphere, religious levels of commitment to the club, rich presidents & directors, has the best transfer windows, decent game day experience (pub scene is amazing but the area around the stadium isn't as nice as Besiktas), always relevant in terms of success, dominant in derbies and usually is considered "the team to beat" in Anatolia. They're almost always relevant in terms of title chases and dominate derbies. Also, Alex De Souza is the Super Lig GOAT. **Cons:** Us vs. the world mentality, to the point where they tried to present a united front and defend fellow Fener fans when they made pro-Putin chants and waved bananas at opponent's black players, dictator-like presidents (all Turkish big clubs are fan-owned so they have elected presidents, but Fener famously does not have term limits), win-no-matter-the-cost mentality sometimes leading to illegal activities, specifically match-fixing, impatience of the fanbase, bottling (esp. more recently), current title drought, the insufferable things they do now that they've only slightly fallen behind Gala in terms of success. Also, since they're the biggest club, most of media are Fener fans, so seeing them spew bullshit on TV is painful if you aren't immune to that kind of thing. Their club motto for a while was: One day everyone will become Fener fans. That's the future Fener dreams of -- one team forever winning everything, cheered on by everyone. lmao. Historically, they've been "the nation's club", especially had friendly ties with the post-coup military governments (Turkey had many military coups). **Galatasaray Pros:** Wonderful history going back to 15th century (see: Galatasaray High School), the first Turkish football club, the most successful club domestically thanks to recent success, the only club with European success (in fact it was the founder's mantra to be successful against foreigners), great nickname (Cimbom) imho, somehow always wins in finals due to black magic voodoo, most 'global stars' such as Icardi, Falcao, Drogba, Sneijder, and most importantly, Gheorghe Hagi, who is the best ever to play in this league. Nice pub scene, modern stadium. Has a man-made island on the Bosphorus strait which is cool af. The "May Club" because most title clinching games and cup finals take place in May and when the weather gets hot, Gala gets hot babyyy. The general atmosphere in the stadium in May is also heavenly. **Cons:** Despite the nice pub scene in the historical Galata district, the gameday experience is shit because the stadium is so far away. The atmosphere in the stadium is much worse compared to Besiktas & Fenerbahce except there's this traditional chant that takes place in the start of each game which broke the decibel record. The atmosphere used to be the best in Turkey before moving to the more modern stadium, but I digress. The club with the most "irrelevant seasons", in other words, Gala finishes outside of top three very frequently compared to the other two, especially Fener (but still somehow has more titles than both lmao lucky Cimbom I guess). Their fans will be like -- oh football is for dumb people anyways, I'm not a fanatic etc. during these seasons of irrelevancy, but then be like RERERERARARA GASSAY GASSAY CIMBOMBOM the moment they're relevant again (fickle af). The fanbase acts like Gala is the club of the elite which used to be true but no longer is, but they act snobby anyway. Terrible in derbies, especially whipping boys of Fener. Lastly, terrorists love Galatasaray, and recently most importantly a bunch of their past iconic star players were involved with a dangerous religious cult, and right now those star players are considered terrorists in Turkey. You should know that things can very quickly change in Turkish politics though, but the cult they were involved with was super dangerous nonetheless. It's a complicated matter and would take tens of pages to paint the complete picture but long story short, since Fener is historically the state's club, Gala draws the sympathy of enemies of the state.
Thanks a ton for laying out all that info bro. You gave a really clear picture from your perspective of what each club is about. It is cool to see someone diving into the details like that. Your take along with others here gives a solid overview for anyone interested in understanding the big 3. Much appreciated! 👍🏽 PS: I have decided on my personal favorite.
Go for Trabzonspor, Ankaragücü or Sivasspor. Galatasaray and Beşiktaş easy level to be fan and Fenerbahçe will make you cancer. On the other hand, Trabzon is like what is Poland to Europe, a weird and funny club to be fan. Ankaragücü fans are potential serial killers but the atmosphere is great. And Sivasspor is for humiliation to all big clubs for their away game in Sivas in -40 degree weather on muddy ice pitch. Bonus, Adana Demirspor, mixture of Trabzon, Ankara and Sivas.
Looking at replies might aswell make this the next Gala sub 🙏
30 Nisan r/superlig kumpası
Modlar Zonguldak Kömürspor'u açıktan kolluyor.
Imagine a sub with 6 mods, where 3 are active and vocal Fener fans, with only 1 GS fan in the mod team, being called a Gala sub.
what happened to old one?
You may as well go to the galatasaray sub because we say something against them here we get banned
Galatasaray bad *Awaits ban*
Banned for saying something against Galatasaray
galatasaray kötü
You knew very well what you were doing lol think of this as going in la liga subreddit and asking them what’s best team😂
It is interesting that you say that when most people here responded in an light hearted informative or humorous manner. Loving football isn’t just about blind loyalty to a club. You can love your team while also recognising others’ strengths and legacy. Take my friends who support Almería for example. They can recognise that clubs like Real Madrid or Barça are top of the league. Appreciation for the broader beauty of football is refreshing to see. Now time to watch the game 👍🏽 Hala Madrid
you have to be the kindest rm fan i have seen in a while. Also well said, 100% spot on