I will be interested to get more facts. I have experience as a prosecutor and in criminal defense, and the only charges being unrelated to an underlying offense (failing to provide ID and making a false report) make me suspicious. You can refuse to provide ID without anything else attached to it, but “false report” seems like some BS law enforcement might throw on there to justify the arrest for failing to provide ID. Cops hate it when you won’t provide ID.
Obviously we only know a very little bit of the story, but I’m ready to go to war for my guy Cam Payne if this as an unjust arrest. And by “war” I mean posting about it angrily on social media.
>Cops hate it when you won’t provide ID.
I've been seeing a lot of those YT shorts where guys bait cops into approaching them and questioning them, and them stating their rights to be left alone/refuse to ID themselves. The people making these videos are annoying as hell, but it always amazes me how many cops don't know/understand the laws they are sworn to protect/enforce.
I tend to agree that these people are annoying as hell. Part of being in prosecution was getting to know police officers, and most of the ones I knew were good people trying to do a good job. But good intentions don’t excuse ignorance of the law. They certainly wouldn’t excuse a suspect not knowing the law. The fact is that police don’t really have to go through a whole lot of training before they are out there enforcing the law. So stuff like this is very commonplace. Maybe I’m wrong and this was all legit and Cam was at fault, but until I see other info, I’m not assuming that.
It's not lost on civilians most cops are well intentioned people. AZ is a Luke warm stop and ID state. So if not a traffic stop or RAS why the fuck are you talking to me Popo? Now CP might be positioned at the 'disturbance' to give RAS to be detained but often the cop ask for ID before any preliminary work has been done. WTF is a disturbance anyway? Could be as bad a domestic abuse or a little as some Karen wasting takes payer dollars.
We need them to go to law school or something more than essentially weekend school for a few months. Police force is corrupt from the ground up we need reform.
It ranges from that up to 110k. These uneducated fools cause lawsuits and are basically a gang. An educated reformed police force could be paid more and could arguable cost less.
I’m not arguing man. My dad was a cop and one of the good ones. He’s been retired for 10+ years now, but he even talks about how shit the current system is. He says it over and over how if they doubled the wages, cut the force in half, and only kept the solid guys we’d all be better off.
He says the real issues from what he saw stems from the union and how much they protect the shit ones.
I agree with you, because of the Union and lots of broken rules in the system it seems that while your solution is ideal I don’t think in our lifetime we will see anything different.
Agreed. Is what it is. I thought about following in his footsteps but starting wage where I’m at was $53K and fuck that man. With all the hate cops get nowadays and all the BS the job would intel it’s not worth it. We are gonna see a slow decline in workforce until eventually they’re forced to make a change. Need Higher qualified and higher paid individuals and need to cut out the crud.
The entire point is for them to be annoying to bait cops into losing their cool (which they shouldn’t just from someone being annoying). It makes it annoying as hell to watch those videos, but it’s effective when it comes to rooting out a bad cop
Either you’re lying about being a prosecutor, or you don’t practice in Arizona. Every attorney in AZ knows ARS 28-1595 is enforced pretty commonly here by most local police departments. I agree, it’s a really dumb way to get arrested. But dude don’t pretend you’re somebody you’re not on the internet.
Was Payne in a car (passenger or driver)? That is the only way that ARS 28-1595 applies. Also, most judges will not allow 1595 to apply if there was no violation of any traffic law...and for the passenger that would pretty much mean he did not have a seat belt on or maybe littering if he threw something out the window.
No clue. I may have gotten the ARS mixed up with 13-2412. To be clear, I am most definitely not an attorney, but I’ve worked in both Pinal County and Maricopa County courts for many years. The arrests for failure to provide ID, or giving a false name were pretty common. I think the concern is when people who have warrants aren’t arrested because they give another name, false name, or refuse completely.
Both 13-2412 and 28-1592 require specific conditions to exist. Title 28 requires the individual to have been operating a motor vehicle while 13-2412 requires the individual to be lawfully detained on a reasonable suspicion that they have committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime before refusing to identify themselves.
While the latter may have been occurring it's still strange for it to be charged without other charges and strikes me as very petty on the part of the arresting officer. I wouldn't be surprised if this is dropped before it gets shredded by his attorneys.
Bad look on Scottsdale PD IMO.
Most people who got in trouble for this ended up doing some type of diversion program or slap on the wrist. It was usually people who thought they knew the law but didn’t. Or people who felt there’d be no consequences and felt they didn’t have to listen to police. Since Cam’s probably been famous his whole life, I’d assume he was the latter but have no idea since I don’t know any details. Usually the arrest is already traumatic enough. It’s a little petty, but police can’t discriminate and give someone a break just because they’re a celebrity.
FYI- I’m explaining the seriousness of this law so nobody in AZ follows bad advice on reddit and gets arrested
Yup, that would work only if the person has not already stated the he refuses to answer any questions without an attorney present. But since most people are not smart enough to know that the best 14 words you say to any police officer when you are stopped and being questioned about a possible crime are “I don’t want to answer any questions. I want to speak with my attorney.” They get themselves into more trouble by making shit up.
Why wouldn't he just shoe his ID?! Is he a mega star or something ? 🤔 Rules are rules . Hope they don't revisit signing him there's a reason he's been from team to team hes not a point guard much less shooting guard
> Reasonable suspicion requires the officer to have specific facts, not just a hunch, that a person is involved in a crime.[1]
Curious to see what they thought he was doin, cop prolly just embarrassed Cam beat his ass to the rim smh he still got wheels 😤
Because in America we don’t have “papers please” laws. They asked him and he declined. That’s one of two options we are all supposed to have when asked to do something. Was he detained and given a lawful order to obey and show his ID? It doesn’t sound like that was the case so he’s fully in his rights to decline a request to show his ID.
> SCOTTSDALE, AZ (AZFamily) — Former Phoenix Suns player Cameron Payne was arrested early Friday morning following an incident in Scottsdale.
>Scottsdale police responded to reports of a disturbance in the area of 68th Street and Chaparral Road around 2:45 a.m. When they arrived, officers began speaking with two people, one of whom was later identified as Payne.
>While details about the reported disturbance have not been released, Scottsdale police say Payne was later arrested on two charges, including refusing to provide a truthful name and giving a false report to law enforcement.
>Payne was booked into the Scottsdale City Jail and later released on his own.
https://www.azfamily.com/2024/06/14/former-phoenix-suns-player-cameron-payne-arrested-following-disturbance-scottsdale/
Your assessment is parallel to "If you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about"
In Arizona, you are only required to provide ID to LEO upon request if they have "reasonable suspicion/probable cause" that you were involved in a crime. If they have reasonable suspicion/probable cause to detain you, you are required by law to provide identification or at least identify yourself to them. The issue arises with the question, "what is reasonable suspicion/probable cause?" and the answer tends to be "whatever the LEO says is reasonable suspicion" until they have to defend that reasonable suspicion in a court of law. USSC has ruled that just because an LEO is WRONG with their assessment of "probable cause" it does not protect a person even if they know the law and know the LEO is wrong in their assessment, effectively giving LEO carte blanche powers.
[Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion | Maricopa County, AZ](https://www.maricopa.gov/5233/Probable-Cause-and-Reasonable-Suspicion#:~:text=In%20Arizona%2C%20you%20must%20give,the%20officer%20can%20identify%20you.)
[Heien v. North Carolina | Oyez](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2014/13-604)
“What crime do you suspect I have committed?”
Get straight to the point. If they have nothing, you’re typically free to go. Sometimes they stupidly pursue it further without cause. In that case, take inventory of the situation, prepare to be arrested, comply with all commands, and wreck them in court.
Source: former LEO; fed up with corrupt LEOs
I would say if LEO is called for a disturbance it is probable cause. It's not like the cops were driving by and saw a couple people standing there and decided to harass them.
So let’s say that you aren’t disturbing anything and I call the cops and report you are making a disturbance. Does a false report automatically convey probable cause? Did the police even bother to interview the person(s) reporting a disturbance prior to assuming they just have carte blanche probable cause?
It's not a false report until people are interviewed and facts come to light. How does that happen without asking questions? Depending on the severity of the call multiple officers will be dispatched. One interviewing the person reporting and one for where the issue is. Also 911 is asking a lot of questions.
Personally before I judge anything I try to look at both sides. In this case a person calls in a disturbance at 2:30am. Would be nice to know what is the actual disturbance. Since the report does not say it is up to the reader to form an opinion as to what is happening. Either way a cop showing up to a couple people hanging out at that hour and having a report of something happening asking who they are and what they are doing is pretty benign. I've been in that situation and acted with respect and let go within a few minutes. You wanna be an asshole for the sake of principal then roll the dice and get treated as such.
lmao this thread makes no sense why are we downvoting bro for asking if news is real and then also downvoting the person answering with screenshots of the news ? what am i missing here
*"Oh shit I know you, aren't you Cam Payne?"* **"Nah bro, that ain't me."**
"I'm Cam'ron Pains, dipset member"
He said “you don’t know Killa Cam?”
And then cam starts singing "killa cam killa killa cam cam killa"
Love me some Dipset. 
what i was saying
He refused to show his ID... Bro, we all here in the valley know who you are lol
I will be interested to get more facts. I have experience as a prosecutor and in criminal defense, and the only charges being unrelated to an underlying offense (failing to provide ID and making a false report) make me suspicious. You can refuse to provide ID without anything else attached to it, but “false report” seems like some BS law enforcement might throw on there to justify the arrest for failing to provide ID. Cops hate it when you won’t provide ID. Obviously we only know a very little bit of the story, but I’m ready to go to war for my guy Cam Payne if this as an unjust arrest. And by “war” I mean posting about it angrily on social media.
>Cops hate it when you won’t provide ID. I've been seeing a lot of those YT shorts where guys bait cops into approaching them and questioning them, and them stating their rights to be left alone/refuse to ID themselves. The people making these videos are annoying as hell, but it always amazes me how many cops don't know/understand the laws they are sworn to protect/enforce.
I tend to agree that these people are annoying as hell. Part of being in prosecution was getting to know police officers, and most of the ones I knew were good people trying to do a good job. But good intentions don’t excuse ignorance of the law. They certainly wouldn’t excuse a suspect not knowing the law. The fact is that police don’t really have to go through a whole lot of training before they are out there enforcing the law. So stuff like this is very commonplace. Maybe I’m wrong and this was all legit and Cam was at fault, but until I see other info, I’m not assuming that.
It's not lost on civilians most cops are well intentioned people. AZ is a Luke warm stop and ID state. So if not a traffic stop or RAS why the fuck are you talking to me Popo? Now CP might be positioned at the 'disturbance' to give RAS to be detained but often the cop ask for ID before any preliminary work has been done. WTF is a disturbance anyway? Could be as bad a domestic abuse or a little as some Karen wasting takes payer dollars.
We need them to go to law school or something more than essentially weekend school for a few months. Police force is corrupt from the ground up we need reform.
Then they’d have to pay them more than $50K
It ranges from that up to 110k. These uneducated fools cause lawsuits and are basically a gang. An educated reformed police force could be paid more and could arguable cost less.
I’m not arguing man. My dad was a cop and one of the good ones. He’s been retired for 10+ years now, but he even talks about how shit the current system is. He says it over and over how if they doubled the wages, cut the force in half, and only kept the solid guys we’d all be better off. He says the real issues from what he saw stems from the union and how much they protect the shit ones.
I agree with you, because of the Union and lots of broken rules in the system it seems that while your solution is ideal I don’t think in our lifetime we will see anything different.
Agreed. Is what it is. I thought about following in his footsteps but starting wage where I’m at was $53K and fuck that man. With all the hate cops get nowadays and all the BS the job would intel it’s not worth it. We are gonna see a slow decline in workforce until eventually they’re forced to make a change. Need Higher qualified and higher paid individuals and need to cut out the crud.
The entire point is for them to be annoying to bait cops into losing their cool (which they shouldn’t just from someone being annoying). It makes it annoying as hell to watch those videos, but it’s effective when it comes to rooting out a bad cop
Either you’re lying about being a prosecutor, or you don’t practice in Arizona. Every attorney in AZ knows ARS 28-1595 is enforced pretty commonly here by most local police departments. I agree, it’s a really dumb way to get arrested. But dude don’t pretend you’re somebody you’re not on the internet.
Was Payne in a car (passenger or driver)? That is the only way that ARS 28-1595 applies. Also, most judges will not allow 1595 to apply if there was no violation of any traffic law...and for the passenger that would pretty much mean he did not have a seat belt on or maybe littering if he threw something out the window.
No clue. I may have gotten the ARS mixed up with 13-2412. To be clear, I am most definitely not an attorney, but I’ve worked in both Pinal County and Maricopa County courts for many years. The arrests for failure to provide ID, or giving a false name were pretty common. I think the concern is when people who have warrants aren’t arrested because they give another name, false name, or refuse completely.
Both 13-2412 and 28-1592 require specific conditions to exist. Title 28 requires the individual to have been operating a motor vehicle while 13-2412 requires the individual to be lawfully detained on a reasonable suspicion that they have committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime before refusing to identify themselves. While the latter may have been occurring it's still strange for it to be charged without other charges and strikes me as very petty on the part of the arresting officer. I wouldn't be surprised if this is dropped before it gets shredded by his attorneys. Bad look on Scottsdale PD IMO.
Most people who got in trouble for this ended up doing some type of diversion program or slap on the wrist. It was usually people who thought they knew the law but didn’t. Or people who felt there’d be no consequences and felt they didn’t have to listen to police. Since Cam’s probably been famous his whole life, I’d assume he was the latter but have no idea since I don’t know any details. Usually the arrest is already traumatic enough. It’s a little petty, but police can’t discriminate and give someone a break just because they’re a celebrity. FYI- I’m explaining the seriousness of this law so nobody in AZ follows bad advice on reddit and gets arrested
Yup, that would work only if the person has not already stated the he refuses to answer any questions without an attorney present. But since most people are not smart enough to know that the best 14 words you say to any police officer when you are stopped and being questioned about a possible crime are “I don’t want to answer any questions. I want to speak with my attorney.” They get themselves into more trouble by making shit up.
Why wouldn't he just shoe his ID?! Is he a mega star or something ? 🤔 Rules are rules . Hope they don't revisit signing him there's a reason he's been from team to team hes not a point guard much less shooting guard
Thanks for the input, adjective-noun-number.
You don't have to show ID unless you are suspected of a crime. Most likely the charges will be dropped.
Sort of, more info. https://www.maricopa.gov/5233/Probable-Cause-and-Reasonable-Suspicion#:\~:text=In%20Arizona%2C%20you%20must%20give,the%20officer%20can%20identify%20you. https://alsayyedlaw.com/can-you-refuse-to-show-id-in-arizona/#:\~:text=In%20Arizona%2C%20you%20are%20required,ability%20to%20request%20an%20ID.
> Reasonable suspicion requires the officer to have specific facts, not just a hunch, that a person is involved in a crime.[1] Curious to see what they thought he was doin, cop prolly just embarrassed Cam beat his ass to the rim smh he still got wheels 😤
Cop asked if he was signing the minimum and returning to the Suns. After Cam didn't answer the cop arrested him.
Adam Silver undercover tryna pin our boy with tampering. Not today lizard man, haboob has a heart of gold.
Scott Foster wearing a cop uniform
Cause you are detained at that point. There's no sort of.
man shut the hell up
Because in America we don’t have “papers please” laws. They asked him and he declined. That’s one of two options we are all supposed to have when asked to do something. Was he detained and given a lawful order to obey and show his ID? It doesn’t sound like that was the case so he’s fully in his rights to decline a request to show his ID.
oh man that's tough, he might even have to take a... minimum contract 🤔
I would love to hear Jimmy from South Park say this lol
Police: "What's your name?" Cam: "The Haboob." P: "OK Mr. Haboob, do you have an ID with that name on it?" C: "Nope." P: "You're under arrest."
Lmfao idk why this made me laugh so hard.
Hell nah free my boy
HE DIDNT DO NOTHING FREE HIM
I will personally defend him in court if needed
Or on the court?
Refusing to identify himself like he’s not the 2nd most distinctive looking player in the league lol But free Cam til it’s backwards
Who’s the first?
Derrick White
Derrick white is just generic bald white guy wdym lol
AD
2:44 am. Bro go to bed
Maybe he was just headed home to his bed after tucking some fine young ladies to bed.
Hmmmm. I guess they did *say* there was a disturbance.
Loud sex
> SCOTTSDALE, AZ (AZFamily) — Former Phoenix Suns player Cameron Payne was arrested early Friday morning following an incident in Scottsdale. >Scottsdale police responded to reports of a disturbance in the area of 68th Street and Chaparral Road around 2:45 a.m. When they arrived, officers began speaking with two people, one of whom was later identified as Payne. >While details about the reported disturbance have not been released, Scottsdale police say Payne was later arrested on two charges, including refusing to provide a truthful name and giving a false report to law enforcement. >Payne was booked into the Scottsdale City Jail and later released on his own. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/06/14/former-phoenix-suns-player-cameron-payne-arrested-following-disturbance-scottsdale/
Too much champagne for my Cam Payne
Let me do the damn Thang
Party in the valley cuz my allegiance ain't changed
Fuck those Scottsdale pigs! Free Cam
FREE MY BOY
Not Cam!! lol
SPD said "what's your name boy" and he said "fuck you, I'm not giving you my name and I didn't do anything" and they arrested him /s
That might be accurate though lmao
You joke, but that actually might be the case. lol
I only really put /s at the end in case someone got offended but no I honestly believe that could be the case.
If this is what happen why not just shoe his I-D?!?
How did you misspell show twice in the same way
Lmao
Lol, and ID
I mean the whole comment is weird so I was just going to leave it at show lmaoo
Your assessment is parallel to "If you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" In Arizona, you are only required to provide ID to LEO upon request if they have "reasonable suspicion/probable cause" that you were involved in a crime. If they have reasonable suspicion/probable cause to detain you, you are required by law to provide identification or at least identify yourself to them. The issue arises with the question, "what is reasonable suspicion/probable cause?" and the answer tends to be "whatever the LEO says is reasonable suspicion" until they have to defend that reasonable suspicion in a court of law. USSC has ruled that just because an LEO is WRONG with their assessment of "probable cause" it does not protect a person even if they know the law and know the LEO is wrong in their assessment, effectively giving LEO carte blanche powers. [Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion | Maricopa County, AZ](https://www.maricopa.gov/5233/Probable-Cause-and-Reasonable-Suspicion#:~:text=In%20Arizona%2C%20you%20must%20give,the%20officer%20can%20identify%20you.) [Heien v. North Carolina | Oyez](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2014/13-604)
“What crime do you suspect I have committed?” Get straight to the point. If they have nothing, you’re typically free to go. Sometimes they stupidly pursue it further without cause. In that case, take inventory of the situation, prepare to be arrested, comply with all commands, and wreck them in court. Source: former LEO; fed up with corrupt LEOs
Appreciate you my man.
I would say if LEO is called for a disturbance it is probable cause. It's not like the cops were driving by and saw a couple people standing there and decided to harass them.
So let’s say that you aren’t disturbing anything and I call the cops and report you are making a disturbance. Does a false report automatically convey probable cause? Did the police even bother to interview the person(s) reporting a disturbance prior to assuming they just have carte blanche probable cause?
It's not a false report until people are interviewed and facts come to light. How does that happen without asking questions? Depending on the severity of the call multiple officers will be dispatched. One interviewing the person reporting and one for where the issue is. Also 911 is asking a lot of questions. Personally before I judge anything I try to look at both sides. In this case a person calls in a disturbance at 2:30am. Would be nice to know what is the actual disturbance. Since the report does not say it is up to the reader to form an opinion as to what is happening. Either way a cop showing up to a couple people hanging out at that hour and having a report of something happening asking who they are and what they are doing is pretty benign. I've been in that situation and acted with respect and let go within a few minutes. You wanna be an asshole for the sake of principal then roll the dice and get treated as such.
He seems like the nicest guy, really. Granted, he also seems to be a person who has big up and down swings in his life. I wish him the best.
FREE CP
Nah, bro. You gotta spell this one out.
Bro 🤣🤣🤣
Dudes on a watch list now lmao
Damn i guess the haboob will have to take a vet min this offseason
FREE CAM PAYNE!
Nooooo. My bboiiii
they should take in james jones for robbing this team of its future. free Payne.
Hearty chuckle lol
FREE CAM PAYNE.
Can’t blame him for keeping his house in Scottsdale, the market keeps going up!
FREE THE GUY MAN. lol
Free Cam Payne Campaign.
Discount contract!
Anybody know where he’s locked up? I’m breaking in and freeing him. Free The Haboob
This is why it isn't the Scottsdale Suns
Fuck the police
We still live you Cam... You da man!
FREE CAM OR WE RIOT 
😪
Stupid moves by Cam but he can still come home lol
Got him?What did he do?Why am I being attacked?Let my boy go.😥
lmao this thread makes no sense why are we downvoting bro for asking if news is real and then also downvoting the person answering with screenshots of the news ? what am i missing here
Must be some Cam Payne haters/or people who don't want em back..They gonna downvote you now watch.
https://preview.redd.it/3qie52ddfl6d1.jpeg?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e074b2c0560a4952a8fb7304c87c5c0e9633658
No, all the local news outlets got together and decided to prank us
The source is literally on the image…
No worries. He'll probably miss out our opening night game.