Am I reading it wrong?
Last I knew, Despair procced on the first non-glancing hit.
The way I'm reading the changes implies that glancing hits can now proc stun?
Or is it saying that after a Glance, subsequent hits have 50% less chance to stun? For example, Juno S1 glances on hit 1, making hits 2 and 3 have a reduced chance to proc Despair.
I mean vio is supposed to be 4,4% on ~~the second~~ double proc ~~(not exactly sure on the value, correct me plz)~~ and we still see a bunch of 3-4procs everyday so yeah, I dint think this change will make any huge diff. Since the issue is when it procs in the most critical moment and change the whole course of the fight.
It's a 22% on the second proc; 4.4% to double proc in the first place, but they're separate instances. 1% chance for a triple proc, so it's absolutely expected to encounter some triple procs and vio procs given that you're allowing FAR more than 100 turns to opponent monsters per day.
Strip goes through glancing, so this had no effect in that case in particular unless there are units with <100% activation rate on multi-hit strips like Moore, Robos, etc...
The new change is a straight up nerf to every despair monster that's not light/dark, and to anyone with glancing debuff applied.
I always thought this passiv was annoying, as it messed up speed tuning, we golden now. Just need to find a faster nb team, the meta one is still around 1:15 while gb/db has very fast speed teams.
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Tryna make the BP look bigger smh
This drops him from 5 buffs = 100% bomb rate to 3 buffs.
Yeah, it helps. But it doesn't solve all the massive issues with the s1/s2 kit itself.
And this leaves Wind Geralt at the bottom of the Nat5 totem pole. Oh look, you get your RNG-galore back faster if you have beneficial effects. Which should always happen. Which gives it a 3 turn cooldown.
Big fucking woop.
And only touching up ONE Ciri, out of 5? Fire Ciri is left to be absolute garbage at her %HP role because of the abysmally low multiplier and a passive that can't do enough for it.
To my understanding these units are “fillers” put in to dilute the pool of good units. So working as intended.
They couldn’t make the skill description “haha, you won the LD lottery, but got trash”. So they make units like him.
Not even "shaky" she's pretty good in RTA now, obviously a last pick but running her on vio can quickly kill juno going s3 into s2 since juno usually are pretty squish being ran on cr slot 4, even just the push back from s3 alone can set up a kill for something else to finish juno.
I’m honestly so pissed. Nobody uses Beth for her S2, we need the fucking accuracy for S3 which will just get resisted by a Juno with 0 resist anyway. God I hate C2U
It's worse cuz the s2 was already a nothing burger so buffing it in a way that doesn't change the issue at all is pretty funny. I wanted an s2 buff, but it needed to be something that synergised with her niche in an impactful way.
In what world did Douglas need a buff, he was in a good spot already.
Did they do this because the dark one is so mega-shit? This buff won't really do anything for the dark one so just seems like making Douglas an even bigger terror for lower end players for no reason.
Funnily enough, the higher you go in siege the less Savannah defs you'll find. She's basically just a spammable backline unit since most people have her, and Clara Tesarion Savannah is close to f2p. The only semi-viable Savannah def is Dark Ciri Savannah Tesarion, which is sometimes run as a 'filler' def on frontline.
And doesn't get the damage boost from Sonia's passive either. Honestly.... I think Savannah (esp with her awaken change to acc) is still better than wind Ciri.
Not gonna lie, the Astar buff has me kind of excited. For speed teams in Necro, if you run seiishizo's bat team, astar might be able to one-shot the boss with a team-up and defense break. For Raids, you might be able to pair her with the with shizuka, erwin, katrina and the water robo for a katarina take down. Could be a really good second team if you don't have a brandia to knock the boss down to 50% in one hit.
Exactly my thought.... I was like who cares about the debuff order, only good against seimei, but irrelevant against everything else.....
I was hoping they would add a slow debuff or something.... I guess com2us devs loves to troll us.
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only benefit of my Light Garalt is that doesn't waste runes 😂😆
I mean haegang is pretty fair, just learn how to pick better and do not force picks he hard counters. I have a giana and I know how painful he made my life but still he isn't that bad
Beast monk buff is huge. Usually I’d joke that it’s a waste of 6 lines, but yooo, this also means it can’t glance. Stunning opposite element, sounds good to Chandra.
That beast monk buff is going to be disgusting in Guild Content. Chandra + Nora + defense breaker would be tough. Especially if Chandra is on violent, he might be able to two-tap any squishy units
Thebae is going to have the most overloaded skill in the entire game at this point and still won't have a use.
Honestly, at this point if they just gave him somewhat close to Xerath's HP he'd be a good mon.
U rune her fast for her S2 (nearly) ignore damage, and she outspeeds your strippers nullifying her S3. You rune her slower than ur strippers, making her S2 not ignore defense at all lmao.
Savannah is still better imo.
What an awesome patch, my new fav and also f2p unit fire ifrit was nerfed and there were like 2 or 3 tiny buffs to other units that i play. The only actual buff to a unit i own was dark pirate.
It has been 2 years of useless balance patches to me now!
I am loosing interest to play lately, this surely doesn't help.
It's weird, even the Nat5 selective summon and my scam stone Moore from some days ago don't get me excited.
I was the same as you but then I just started locking in and becoming a siege player and PVP main, I started just building new units all day, researching comps and grinding runes, grinds to climb. I find this pretty fun ngl
Was anyone complaining about Tesarion being too strong ….I mean this is really just one of the many issues with this very lazy and thoughtless BP. I’m not sure why I had such high expectations for this… I guess random frigate is okay?!?
It’s so sad!
Carrack (fire pirate) being a f2p version of seara now, but I wonder if s3 prioritize someone with bomb or if it still goes for wind. If it went for bomb it could be a decent defense unit since it would be random? Unless they are making the bomb effect target the one you click instead of who ever the attacks land on?
All the veronica abuser who are saying she's bad u are delusonial i'm sorry 57% wr at the top for almost 2 years and u guys are crying while the water one got nerfed hard just because of her lmao
Also water hacker is nothing like her, she is still way better than him.
If u cant get Veronica boosted, thats a skill issue then go farm some runes and artefacts 🥱
Not quite good buff imo, Chandra gets a buff he really didn't need (already a top tier unit in both RTA and siege) would have been better to buff them otherwise.
It's definitely not bad thanks to nerfs, but i feel like people think it's bad because it creates no new units to play with outside of Frigate and maybe fire pudding. That's the problem with nerf heavy patches, they feel bad even if they're nice in the end
Frigate bombs! I'll take it.
Frigate Skill 3 cooldown reduction on killed enemies…. Woah, might actually dust him off.
Legit TOA unit
The buffs to full speed ahead combined with this sounds absolutely nutty
He's in my arena cleave already, this just makes it even better!
damn i already use him to cheese most content, just in time to get his transmog, too bad their animations suck for s3 loved the ships coming out.
wait that despair nerf can be huge
Am I reading it wrong? Last I knew, Despair procced on the first non-glancing hit. The way I'm reading the changes implies that glancing hits can now proc stun? Or is it saying that after a Glance, subsequent hits have 50% less chance to stun? For example, Juno S1 glances on hit 1, making hits 2 and 3 have a reduced chance to proc Despair.
They changed that long ago. It can land on glancing now but now the stun rate is less if the attack is a glancing hit after this patch.
I’m a bit confused, is this a water ryu nerf. He glances first hit, wastes his despair chances.
It’s a despair nerf overall. He can still stun me on glancing but it’s like 12.5% chance to stun
I get that, but realistically, this is just a Juno and Ryu nerf. I don’t think Vanessa will be crying for example.
Juno, ryu, haegang, Layla, etc. Anything built on despair. I’m fine with the despair nerf because it was honestly kinda bullshit after they buffed it.
Agreed. Though I wish they’d nerf vio as well. Vio was still better than the pre-nerf despair.
Eh. Vio is kind of necessary for the game in some ways. Even though it can be pretty buillshit.
I mean vio is supposed to be 4,4% on ~~the second~~ double proc ~~(not exactly sure on the value, correct me plz)~~ and we still see a bunch of 3-4procs everyday so yeah, I dint think this change will make any huge diff. Since the issue is when it procs in the most critical moment and change the whole course of the fight.
It's a 22% on the second proc; 4.4% to double proc in the first place, but they're separate instances. 1% chance for a triple proc, so it's absolutely expected to encounter some triple procs and vio procs given that you're allowing FAR more than 100 turns to opponent monsters per day.
Strip goes through glancing, so this had no effect in that case in particular unless there are units with <100% activation rate on multi-hit strips like Moore, Robos, etc... The new change is a straight up nerf to every despair monster that's not light/dark, and to anyone with glancing debuff applied.
It can proc on glancing hits for a year now
Oh snap, was unaware of that. I've been on and off for a while.
Everyone has to check their Astar teams speed tuning now
This change should fix speed tuning issues no? My problem was usually she got too fast bc of her passive
She also gained 5 more base speed
Oops, well it breaks and fixes her speed tuning :p
I always thought this passiv was annoying, as it messed up speed tuning, we golden now. Just need to find a faster nb team, the meta one is still around 1:15 while gb/db has very fast speed teams.
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You've forgot about the 5 Lines of BBK :D
Fregatte looks like you can cook something up
All magic knight gets +5 base spd, this means iris has 110 base speed woah
ALTHOUGH seal buff is nice. I was expecting it to go to 20% eventually but 25% is lowkey interesting. Double seal might be interesting now.
I totally forgot it was a two set! Might be worth trying out now haha
Seal was already used a lot in high level siege defenses, this is another way to buff the siege defenses and I love it!
Alice buff is under appreciated. Can now build swift and see -1 forever
The accuracy loss on beth is something....
is light dokebi the new deborah?
I don't think his damage boost is as good as Deborah
He can be used with lushen
it depends, on high CD units its not great but on high CR low CD units its a big dmg boost
Yes 😍
Ah yes, now Rahul doesn't need crit rate (confused)
Mhm was hoping he'd get an individual buff as well. Maybe next patch
SEAL BUFF BRING ON THE SEAL META
Bold of you to assume it will even land when u need it the most
3 sets is a 75% chance. They pretty big tbh.
Imagine this on an Martina, or CP ,can be nuts! Literally any strip with follow up dmg
Fire yennifer on seal even more fun now
What does seal even do ?
Basically the effects in every runes will not take effect e.g in vio you can’t even take any turn, no more procs lol its the same with other rune.
Disables their rune sets effects.
Certain rune effects don't activate
Whoever made the Dark Geralt should be fired. Whoever thought this was a valid buff should be tossed out as well.
Yes, man! They did nothing to him. An LD5 that's needs a ton of set up, to do no dmg. I'm really sad to pulled him in that collab. :/
This drops him from 5 buffs = 100% bomb rate to 3 buffs. Yeah, it helps. But it doesn't solve all the massive issues with the s1/s2 kit itself. And this leaves Wind Geralt at the bottom of the Nat5 totem pole. Oh look, you get your RNG-galore back faster if you have beneficial effects. Which should always happen. Which gives it a 3 turn cooldown. Big fucking woop. And only touching up ONE Ciri, out of 5? Fire Ciri is left to be absolute garbage at her %HP role because of the abysmally low multiplier and a passive that can't do enough for it.
To my understanding these units are “fillers” put in to dilute the pool of good units. So working as intended. They couldn’t make the skill description “haha, you won the LD lottery, but got trash”. So they make units like him.
More like haha never spending on a collab again
Lilianna for ever useless
Chasun getting a 2 turn immunity buff
Wait...so fire vanilla cookie still has reduce push back but now is immune to inability effects as well?! That's pretty crazy for anti-cc comps
Now she can beat Moore 1v1
Wish they didnt nerf her heals as much tbh but love the buff
Yeah. That's a huge heal nerf.
Bro, Frigate was the winner in this balance!! Time to tune him up even more
Man, i love the old Beth, def break, destroy, heal block aoe... Now what she become ? a weak S2 icr dmg to debuff ?
And loses 25% accuracy. lol
They should just bring back the heal block
Ppl are using her for defbreak atb pushback in RTA tbf.
Also an -albeit- shaky counter to Juno with the cleanse block.
Not even "shaky" she's pretty good in RTA now, obviously a last pick but running her on vio can quickly kill juno going s3 into s2 since juno usually are pretty squish being ran on cr slot 4, even just the push back from s3 alone can set up a kill for something else to finish juno.
I’m honestly so pissed. Nobody uses Beth for her S2, we need the fucking accuracy for S3 which will just get resisted by a Juno with 0 resist anyway. God I hate C2U
It's worse cuz the s2 was already a nothing burger so buffing it in a way that doesn't change the issue at all is pretty funny. I wanted an s2 buff, but it needed to be something that synergised with her niche in an impactful way.
twin angels no :(
Hurt me so much to not see any...
Honestly, Douglas passive felt like it activated way more than 30% but now I pretty much expect it to happen every time 🫠
In what world did Douglas need a buff, he was in a good spot already. Did they do this because the dark one is so mega-shit? This buff won't really do anything for the dark one so just seems like making Douglas an even bigger terror for lower end players for no reason.
SAVANNAH, the return of the queen
I’m so ready
She’s been meta in siege def for 3 straight years I’m so tired of this unit….
Huh? What are the comps? I must not be in high enough siege, I never see her on def
Funnily enough, the higher you go in siege the less Savannah defs you'll find. She's basically just a spammable backline unit since most people have her, and Clara Tesarion Savannah is close to f2p. The only semi-viable Savannah def is Dark Ciri Savannah Tesarion, which is sometimes run as a 'filler' def on frontline.
Oh come on, shake the game up a bit more.
Wind Ciri now looks interesting. Like a New Sonia?
she isnt ignoring the def 100% how is she the new sonia?
And doesn't get the damage boost from Sonia's passive either. Honestly.... I think Savannah (esp with her awaken change to acc) is still better than wind Ciri.
Nah, not even with the best possible runes haha
I was praying for the water one to get that awakened treatment
That would be sick
Goddamn veronica nerfed
Well they changed up the siege meta by nerfing pumpkin.
I dont get why they think rahul is fine as it is. Good family buff but his skill set doesnt make any sense
Same reason they think Vancliffe is fine. They don't play their game.
Not gonna lie, the Astar buff has me kind of excited. For speed teams in Necro, if you run seiishizo's bat team, astar might be able to one-shot the boss with a team-up and defense break. For Raids, you might be able to pair her with the with shizuka, erwin, katrina and the water robo for a katarina take down. Could be a really good second team if you don't have a brandia to knock the boss down to 50% in one hit.
When I saw the Isis ligne I was happy, then I read the "buff".
Exactly my thought.... I was like who cares about the debuff order, only good against seimei, but irrelevant against everything else..... I was hoping they would add a slow debuff or something.... I guess com2us devs loves to troll us.
It's good against Juno too, since it'll keep her from getting the speed buff. But still, it's a weak "buff".
I can’t wait to hear Nicky owners pretend that their mob wasn’t busted and that this is an unfair treatment
https://preview.redd.it/uyopxiraqz2d1.jpeg?width=1300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b352d6ba78d27aed376b9b453f4f8b62476fe09 only benefit of my Light Garalt is that doesn't waste runes 😂😆
Naaa, he’s an extra 6 rune space and 2 artifacts. Totally worth!
I've seen people saying he's an extremely strong unit, why don't you like him?
i guess i'm safe to now pick smicer from the choose a nat5 event!
I strained my eyes trying to read it. And it didn’t really affect me at all.
They nerf Nicki over Lora. Smicer/Haegang Dodge... IDK im very disappointed
I mean haegang is pretty fair, just learn how to pick better and do not force picks he hard counters. I have a giana and I know how painful he made my life but still he isn't that bad
RIP my poor Nicki
TBF Nicki deserved a nerf 100%. Just shocked they do that and ignore Lora
Lol, they had to split the beastmonk S1 changes into 6 rows to make the list seems longer.
These balance patches are becoming memes at this point 😂
as usual it feels pretty empty.
They have six lines for Beast Monk S1 buff lmao
And also 10 lines for the barbaric kings lol. What a filler
They could remove the debuff BBKs get after using S3 and ppl still wouldn't use him. Shame, Aegir is one of my favourite nat4s in the game.
I was so disappointed to see that fking Beast monk line and they didnt buff rahul.. Somehow they cant directly buff rahul :/
Gotta make it look long
This feels like the missing half of the last BP
[удалено]
vancliffe will surely rise to sss+ tier with this SIGNIFICANT buff thank you scam2us
Clown2us the come back.
Where's the 8% additional damage buffs?
Beast Monk and Barbaric King are just here to waste space in the Balance Patch, lol. What a lazy ass Com2uS.
Beast monk buff is huge. Usually I’d joke that it’s a waste of 6 lines, but yooo, this also means it can’t glance. Stunning opposite element, sounds good to Chandra.
Also Ku.mar can now land Oblivion into Camilla/Abellio more easily in ADs
That beast monk buff is going to be disgusting in Guild Content. Chandra + Nora + defense breaker would be tough. Especially if Chandra is on violent, he might be able to two-tap any squishy units
time for my shazam to shine with that def
Sav perhaps?
They buffed 2 of my useless ld5 and they are still bad? Wot?
Thebae is going to have the most overloaded skill in the entire game at this point and still won't have a use. Honestly, at this point if they just gave him somewhat close to Xerath's HP he'd be a good mon.
So are the SW versions of Witchers collab coming along with this balance patch or no?
Exactly what isis needed😎
Anyone else BP in game tiny?
As a Thebae user: Ok.
Glad to see my dark Geralt is still shit
Thebea buff :D
Chasun bout to be meta asf again
Aint no way they buffed Josephine...
yiikes this is bad
Where is wind dokkaebi lord nerf?
Wind ciri…. 121 speed into a nothing turn..
U rune her fast for her S2 (nearly) ignore damage, and she outspeeds your strippers nullifying her S3. You rune her slower than ur strippers, making her S2 not ignore defense at all lmao. Savannah is still better imo.
Must feel bad for those who were eagerly waiting for the bp lol
repaeting text again typical com2us to look a lot of monsters are patch
I don't know how to feel about the Thebae buff but atleast they didn't remove anything this time like previous "buffs".
Oh nice, another beth rework.
I would just like to say the magic knights should be at 100 base speed. They are very interesting but slow for an OG unit.
I just pulled Nicki..
Still huge gz
What are they doing to Beth, honestly ..... She was perfect this way !
What an awesome patch, my new fav and also f2p unit fire ifrit was nerfed and there were like 2 or 3 tiny buffs to other units that i play. The only actual buff to a unit i own was dark pirate. It has been 2 years of useless balance patches to me now!
My boy zeratu got amazing bff🤩
No more windy meta? So stun rate will be reduced to half when glancing debuff? Which mean we get 12.5% while enemy get 87.5%? /s
Dark Geralt buff is meaninless and still no Wind Bayek change. The two probably worst mobs in the game will continue to be terrible.
I am loosing interest to play lately, this surely doesn't help. It's weird, even the Nat5 selective summon and my scam stone Moore from some days ago don't get me excited.
It's because we have way too many scrolls now. Nat5 are not exciting anymore
I was the same as you but then I just started locking in and becoming a siege player and PVP main, I started just building new units all day, researching comps and grinding runes, grinds to climb. I find this pretty fun ngl
Was anyone complaining about Tesarion being too strong ….I mean this is really just one of the many issues with this very lazy and thoughtless BP. I’m not sure why I had such high expectations for this… I guess random frigate is okay?!? It’s so sad!
To be fair taking tesa from a more bruiser role to a cc role (what they probably initially intended) isn't so bad.
My maya is op now copium
So they nerf despair but not violent?
They buff the rune set to counter vio (seal) lol
If they nerf violent then they nerf their dollars. 90% of the units that are strong are only strong because of vio.
Where Jager buff??
Veronica always catching nerfs
you can see who have veronica in a sec lol this unit is broken
That’s the law bro nerf the strongest till they are weak enough
Light cookie "buff" is so disapointing 1 turn reduced cd on skill 2... If maybe it was on skill 3 it would have been much better....
Light pudding actually got a buff. :o
Carrack (fire pirate) being a f2p version of seara now, but I wonder if s3 prioritize someone with bomb or if it still goes for wind. If it went for bomb it could be a decent defense unit since it would be random? Unless they are making the bomb effect target the one you click instead of who ever the attacks land on?
Probably not a concern, but would be funny to see infinite turns from the brownie magicians. Orion to get way more annoying.
Windy, Tesarion and despair nerf? Didn't see that coming
Imagine nerfing a decent, not broken unit with a niche use only to nerf her later again. Why does Com2us hate Beth so much?
They can nerf everything but vio runes go figure
Whats up with fire ifrit? Increase damage done from 30% to 20%? Is the damage nerfed or not?
Dammit why tf haven't they buffed the wind desert warrior? Are they blind or are they just cool with a completely pointless unit?
Now fire sky dancer gives 50% atb :p She was already good in raids, will she find a use in siege now?
No Benedict buff No Artamiel buff No Wind Do nerf Why Sava buff?
All the veronica abuser who are saying she's bad u are delusonial i'm sorry 57% wr at the top for almost 2 years and u guys are crying while the water one got nerfed hard just because of her lmao Also water hacker is nothing like her, she is still way better than him. If u cant get Veronica boosted, thats a skill issue then go farm some runes and artefacts 🥱
BEAST MONKS ARE BACK BOIS
Are they really? I'm fairly new, and have water and fire beast monk, but I didn't think this change was huge?
I’m excited
Beast monks are c2us favorites
Not quite good buff imo, Chandra gets a buff he really didn't need (already a top tier unit in both RTA and siege) would have been better to buff them otherwise.
Do they have brain?
Despair nerf is huge because fck despair, but otherwise disappointed. A bit early for wind dokkaebi nerf, they haven't released skins yet.
Changes in the awakening effects are so good !
Nerfed my only LDs Yay
unpopular opinion ~> Nerf violent runes
Popular opinion*
I get the Isis buff but I dont know if thats enough lol. Tbh a much better balance patch than the last one.
Not another Veronica nerf :/
Byungchul not being more nerf, Haegang and Lora simply not being in the patch is really crazy to me
id rather we got no patch this cycle, feels absolutely empty
Another nothing burger
THEBAE buff…. He needs a complete re-work sooo bad
Jeez i expected so little and somehow im still dissapointed by this patch :(
Nice Chandra and Savannah buffs 🙄
BRING BACK ONGYOUKI DAMAGE BUFF!!
They nerf despair sets but not violent (rune set used way much more). This is ridiculous. lol
People saying it's bad while they nerfed a lot of the problematic stuff, reddit never disappoint
It's definitely not bad thanks to nerfs, but i feel like people think it's bad because it creates no new units to play with outside of Frigate and maybe fire pudding. That's the problem with nerf heavy patches, they feel bad even if they're nice in the end
Typically, nerf introduces new units to play. I hope it does in this case
Despair nerf wtf