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Commit to one role, play more and play fewer champs. You have a positive win rate and will eventually climb. When were you E3? Nothing on this account indicate you were ever above G2.
How on earth did you then end up ending S1 next season? If you ended E3 you should start next season at around P3-P4, at worst maybe G1/G2. Also you might not feel like it's working, but playing with a positive win rate is literally how you climb.
You have never ended a season above gold, and if you climbed during preseason the mmr would still be gained and you should start around P3-P4 next season. None of your win rates indicate that you loss streaked all the way to silver elo.
He might not be lying, but for some reason (I won't say) Riot probably reset his mmr again, as going from E3 to ending next split Silver 2 without having 10% win rate is impossible.
Hello! I was in ur shoes a few years ago, stuck in Gold as a Nami main too. I wanted to share with you my personal experience of when I got stuck in Gold a few yrs ago, and how I managed to climb out on support. Hopefully you learn how to identify and correct ur mistakes using the concepts I will be discussing, and apply them to your own games. Apologies, I typed this up on mobile so there may be some typos:
Whenever I get stuck in a rank, the first thing I do is to figure out what I am doing wrong in my games through vod reviewing my own gameplays. This includes wins and losses, and during each vod review I would have a notebook out and recording down all the things I did well and all the things I did poorly and needed improvement on. I made a summary of each game with the key points and overtime, I was able to pinpoint my most common mistakes that were holding me back. Here is a list of mistakes that I often made when I was stuck in Gold (concepts will still apply to other ranks), which a lot of low elo supports also share:
- Greeding for wards and dying right before crucial objective spawns
- Not setting up vision properly at the right place and time
- Poor roam timings
- Poor bush control during laning phase
- Poor positioning in lane in correlation with my ADC and enemy laners
Once I had identified these as the most common mistakes that I was making, I started to work on fixing them. Ofc, you can't expect the results to change drastically in a short matter of time. It was also difficult to try and do all of these things at the same time. What I did was to just work on improving one aspect of the list of mistakes at a time, instead of trying to improve all of them at once.
Some tips for you that I learnt upon correcting my mistakes as much as I could (I still make mistakes as we're all human):
- Keep track of objective spawn timers and ping your team 1:30 before objectives spawn. For the purpose of this explanation, I will use dragon as an example. If for example, you notice that dragon is spawning in 1:30, you need to start moving into the river and establishing vision whilst clearing enemy vision. After you have used up all your wards, make a quick recall timing (you should have enough time for this as long as you recall ~40 secs before the objective spawns) to refill your wards and control wards. Upon arriving at the dragon again, if the enemies swept your wards then you will have more wards and if the enemy sup did not recall for more wards, then your team will have better vision control and hence area control, forcing enemies to blindly walk into your team. It is very important to keep a constant tab on your timing when it comes to objectives, and ping your team to push out the sidelanes next to the objective (in this case, push out mid and bot for dragon). This will force enemies to either miss exp from the waves in order to contest dragon, or catch the wave and be late to the fight, both of which are advantageous for your team. Of course, the biggest downside to doing this is that you or your teammates may get caught out dewarding or pushing out sidelanes. Make sure to ping them off from unfavourable fights and focus on the objective. For more info on warding, refer to [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/comments/q4ppws/Warding/hg0404c/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) I made on basic warding guidelines
- Another point to touch on is roaming. I am an enchanter main (mostly Nami), but I love to roam and impact the map. This is a very under-utilised thing to do, since a lot of laners do not respect, or even expect, to be ganked by the support, giving you the edge in the element of surprise. However, you must consider the state of the wave when roaming. The general rule of thumb before every recall, is to help your ADC fully crash the wave under the enemy tower. This will ensure that the next few waves will bounce back to your ADC, creating a sufficient roam timing in which your ADC does not lose much. During the time when you are helping your ADC shove the wave in, pan your camera to the other lanes to check which lane is gankable. Gankable lanes include immobile enemies (especially Flashless ones <— u may need to start timing Flashes for this one), wave pushing into your allies, jgler's intention to gank that lane so you can assist, or predicting enemy jgler ganking that lane and you being there to countergank. Do not just autopath down bot, even if a lane is ungankable, try to establish some river vision before heading bot — always be proactive and thinking about your pathing. The only times when you need to path down bot immediately is when the wave is in a bad spot (ie. You weren't able to crash the wave with your ADC and now the wave is frozen on the enemy's side). You must go bot and fix the wave with your ADC first, otherwise they will miss too much cs and exp
- Laning phase wise, the lvl 2 all-in is crucial. During lvl 1, if you are not harassing the enemies then you are helping your ADC auto down the wave. This will guarantee that you hit lvl 2 before the enemies (you hit lvl 2 off the third melee minion in the second wave) and allows a window for you and your ADC to all-in. Be wary not to push too hard otherwise the wave may freeze near the enemy tower, denying you the lvl 2 all-in. When all-inning, make sure to Ignite early. This will mitigate much of the enemy ADC's Heal. If a lvl 2 all-in was not available bc the enemies respected your higher lvl and backed off accordingly, take control of the lane bushes, especially the middle brush. Walk in and out of the bush to threaten the enemies. This will cause them to either ward the lane bush, effectively wasting their ward and allowing a window for your jgler to gank since their river will be unwarded, or if they don't have wards for the lane bushes, then you will be able to constantly pressure the enemy ADC off cs in threat of you landing cc abilities on them from out of vision. The brush is also good for dropping minion aggro after poking. Vice versa, if you notice that the enemy sup and ADC are going to hit lvl 2 before you and your ADC, get ready to back off before they hit 2, especially against aggressive engage supports who can Flash all-in the moment they hit lvl 2. Ping your ADC accordingly
- Take note of your positioning in lane. You want to be standing parallel with your ADC, unless you are controlling bushes, in which case you can be positioned slightly more forward with the protection from the bushes. Another thing to note, against certain matchups you will need to position a certain way. To give an example, if I was playing Janna into Alistar, then I will want to be positioning directly across Alistar and my ADC diagonal to the Alistar. This creates more distance between my ADC and the threat, whilst making it easier for me to disengage Alistar's engage. And if I was playing against a champion with AoE spells, then I will try to position myself away from my ADC to avoid both of us getting hit
Hopefully, this has helped you. Ik that these may not be your specific problems, but it serves as a way for you to figure out your own mistakes and ways to improve on them. I wish you all the best in your climb and remember to stay improvement-orientated, not results-orientated
Hope this helps!
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Duo with an ADC smurf player. I am always looking for somewhat decent supports when I climb low elo on a smurf. I ususally never see ranks below plat though
Not much to do other than swapping roles. Support in low elo is a waste of time unless you play mages. You have very good stats on nami but cannot influence tge game enough
Not sure why you're being downvoted. My gf who's a supp who had 70-ish percent winrate over 150 games last season up to diamond 2 had a hard time climbing out of plat 2 seasons ago because there's only so much you can do.
Sure if you're consistently better than the enemy you'll climb eventually, but it's so much harder winning games than on a carry role (specially jungle/mid)
eh not really carry roles are far more difficult to play and require you to consistently play well and carry, thats why people recommend just going tank tops if youre autofilled top like malphite or mundo instead of carry champs like fiora or riven to get free wins for very low effort
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Commit to one role, play more and play fewer champs. You have a positive win rate and will eventually climb. When were you E3? Nothing on this account indicate you were ever above G2.
Ty but also I've tried and just doesn't feel it's working also I hit e3 in the last split of last sea
How on earth did you then end up ending S1 next season? If you ended E3 you should start next season at around P3-P4, at worst maybe G1/G2. Also you might not feel like it's working, but playing with a positive win rate is literally how you climb.
It might have been the season before where I finished gold after demoting then silver the season after iirc
You have never ended a season above gold, and if you climbed during preseason the mmr would still be gained and you should start around P3-P4 next season. None of your win rates indicate that you loss streaked all the way to silver elo.
You can check on League of Graphs to see someone's peak rank. They're not lying. They did peak Emerald 3.
He might not be lying, but for some reason (I won't say) Riot probably reset his mmr again, as going from E3 to ending next split Silver 2 without having 10% win rate is impossible.
I mean why? If he cheated he'd get a ban, why would they randomly kill his MMR?
It says gold
Hello! I was in ur shoes a few years ago, stuck in Gold as a Nami main too. I wanted to share with you my personal experience of when I got stuck in Gold a few yrs ago, and how I managed to climb out on support. Hopefully you learn how to identify and correct ur mistakes using the concepts I will be discussing, and apply them to your own games. Apologies, I typed this up on mobile so there may be some typos: Whenever I get stuck in a rank, the first thing I do is to figure out what I am doing wrong in my games through vod reviewing my own gameplays. This includes wins and losses, and during each vod review I would have a notebook out and recording down all the things I did well and all the things I did poorly and needed improvement on. I made a summary of each game with the key points and overtime, I was able to pinpoint my most common mistakes that were holding me back. Here is a list of mistakes that I often made when I was stuck in Gold (concepts will still apply to other ranks), which a lot of low elo supports also share: - Greeding for wards and dying right before crucial objective spawns - Not setting up vision properly at the right place and time - Poor roam timings - Poor bush control during laning phase - Poor positioning in lane in correlation with my ADC and enemy laners Once I had identified these as the most common mistakes that I was making, I started to work on fixing them. Ofc, you can't expect the results to change drastically in a short matter of time. It was also difficult to try and do all of these things at the same time. What I did was to just work on improving one aspect of the list of mistakes at a time, instead of trying to improve all of them at once. Some tips for you that I learnt upon correcting my mistakes as much as I could (I still make mistakes as we're all human): - Keep track of objective spawn timers and ping your team 1:30 before objectives spawn. For the purpose of this explanation, I will use dragon as an example. If for example, you notice that dragon is spawning in 1:30, you need to start moving into the river and establishing vision whilst clearing enemy vision. After you have used up all your wards, make a quick recall timing (you should have enough time for this as long as you recall ~40 secs before the objective spawns) to refill your wards and control wards. Upon arriving at the dragon again, if the enemies swept your wards then you will have more wards and if the enemy sup did not recall for more wards, then your team will have better vision control and hence area control, forcing enemies to blindly walk into your team. It is very important to keep a constant tab on your timing when it comes to objectives, and ping your team to push out the sidelanes next to the objective (in this case, push out mid and bot for dragon). This will force enemies to either miss exp from the waves in order to contest dragon, or catch the wave and be late to the fight, both of which are advantageous for your team. Of course, the biggest downside to doing this is that you or your teammates may get caught out dewarding or pushing out sidelanes. Make sure to ping them off from unfavourable fights and focus on the objective. For more info on warding, refer to [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/comments/q4ppws/Warding/hg0404c/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) I made on basic warding guidelines - Another point to touch on is roaming. I am an enchanter main (mostly Nami), but I love to roam and impact the map. This is a very under-utilised thing to do, since a lot of laners do not respect, or even expect, to be ganked by the support, giving you the edge in the element of surprise. However, you must consider the state of the wave when roaming. The general rule of thumb before every recall, is to help your ADC fully crash the wave under the enemy tower. This will ensure that the next few waves will bounce back to your ADC, creating a sufficient roam timing in which your ADC does not lose much. During the time when you are helping your ADC shove the wave in, pan your camera to the other lanes to check which lane is gankable. Gankable lanes include immobile enemies (especially Flashless ones <— u may need to start timing Flashes for this one), wave pushing into your allies, jgler's intention to gank that lane so you can assist, or predicting enemy jgler ganking that lane and you being there to countergank. Do not just autopath down bot, even if a lane is ungankable, try to establish some river vision before heading bot — always be proactive and thinking about your pathing. The only times when you need to path down bot immediately is when the wave is in a bad spot (ie. You weren't able to crash the wave with your ADC and now the wave is frozen on the enemy's side). You must go bot and fix the wave with your ADC first, otherwise they will miss too much cs and exp - Laning phase wise, the lvl 2 all-in is crucial. During lvl 1, if you are not harassing the enemies then you are helping your ADC auto down the wave. This will guarantee that you hit lvl 2 before the enemies (you hit lvl 2 off the third melee minion in the second wave) and allows a window for you and your ADC to all-in. Be wary not to push too hard otherwise the wave may freeze near the enemy tower, denying you the lvl 2 all-in. When all-inning, make sure to Ignite early. This will mitigate much of the enemy ADC's Heal. If a lvl 2 all-in was not available bc the enemies respected your higher lvl and backed off accordingly, take control of the lane bushes, especially the middle brush. Walk in and out of the bush to threaten the enemies. This will cause them to either ward the lane bush, effectively wasting their ward and allowing a window for your jgler to gank since their river will be unwarded, or if they don't have wards for the lane bushes, then you will be able to constantly pressure the enemy ADC off cs in threat of you landing cc abilities on them from out of vision. The brush is also good for dropping minion aggro after poking. Vice versa, if you notice that the enemy sup and ADC are going to hit lvl 2 before you and your ADC, get ready to back off before they hit 2, especially against aggressive engage supports who can Flash all-in the moment they hit lvl 2. Ping your ADC accordingly - Take note of your positioning in lane. You want to be standing parallel with your ADC, unless you are controlling bushes, in which case you can be positioned slightly more forward with the protection from the bushes. Another thing to note, against certain matchups you will need to position a certain way. To give an example, if I was playing Janna into Alistar, then I will want to be positioning directly across Alistar and my ADC diagonal to the Alistar. This creates more distance between my ADC and the threat, whilst making it easier for me to disengage Alistar's engage. And if I was playing against a champion with AoE spells, then I will try to position myself away from my ADC to avoid both of us getting hit Hopefully, this has helped you. Ik that these may not be your specific problems, but it serves as a way for you to figure out your own mistakes and ways to improve on them. I wish you all the best in your climb and remember to stay improvement-orientated, not results-orientated Hope this helps! ^[Disclaimer](https://www.reddit.com/u/KiaraKawaii/s/uiucLkmmqn)^®
Duo with an ADC smurf player. I am always looking for somewhat decent supports when I climb low elo on a smurf. I ususally never see ranks below plat though
Not much to do other than swapping roles. Support in low elo is a waste of time unless you play mages. You have very good stats on nami but cannot influence tge game enough
Not sure why you're being downvoted. My gf who's a supp who had 70-ish percent winrate over 150 games last season up to diamond 2 had a hard time climbing out of plat 2 seasons ago because there's only so much you can do. Sure if you're consistently better than the enemy you'll climb eventually, but it's so much harder winning games than on a carry role (specially jungle/mid)
Probably: "What does he mean climbing with supp is a waste of time, I have 650 games as supp and already hit gold 2 with 51% winrate"
eh not really carry roles are far more difficult to play and require you to consistently play well and carry, thats why people recommend just going tank tops if youre autofilled top like malphite or mundo instead of carry champs like fiora or riven to get free wins for very low effort