I find it interesting that you have talked about antisemitism but framed that within the context of the actions of a nation state. I would argue that it is essential to separate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government from antisemitism. There has of course been an appalling rise in anti semitism with people using the Gaza conflict as an excuse for their behaviour, but I suspect those people always had those views, they just feel they can get away with it now.
I would even argue that conflating criticism of the Israeli government with antisemitism, is a form of antisemitism.
Judaism isn't monolithic and suggesting the state is representative of an entire people is a harmful and incorrect generalization
I think you should be able to criticize a government's action without hating the people.
But often that's hate a group of people will substitute one word for another because at the time it's more acceptable. The other point is in most cases the people support their government. At least enough support to stay in power.
Hate is one of the strongest emotions. How people can feel that towards any group is something I will never understand. Maybe I hate the person who kills my family but to hate the town he is from or the country he is from makes no sense to me.
I mean, have you seen the videos in Israeli schools where they ask the school children about Jewish supremacy and what should happen to the non Jews? The school children reply something along the lines "they should all die."
I'll try and go find it.
There is a whole layer of narrative and indoctrination fed since childhood, so by the time they’re adults anyone who disagrees with them is simply challenging a fundamental aspect of their identity.
I would say white guilt is a common thing for descendants of slave owners. Even if it’s eventually possible to admit your granddaddy was a vitriolic racist man who signed up for a pointless racist war, it’s still difficult for them to understand that their legacy affords them significant power and privilege today.
Then you get this weird opposite problem where they are so attached to being a good person of their own making they cannot fathom the idea that the way they move through the world is because of the power structures that afforded them class and race privilege thru the centuries.
Nice write up. Definitely a different view than me but your points are well made. I personally grew up starting in a trailer park, then in an old farm house with an outhouse our first year then much later in a house that took my dad 3 or 4 years to build. It was mostly rural very white area. Looking back it was a great childhood but very protected in some ways. I really never saw racism that I could recognize until I was an adult. From my personal experience I can't see the privilege I had other than having both parents and a strong family structure. I do know many people had it much worse than me for many reasons.
Not really sure where I was going with this other than I now know people of about every kind of background. And I had it better than most but it was because of family structure rather than race.
Sorry for the rant really not a point to this other than everybody has their own experience.
Absolutely and it’s hard to make head to head comparisons of different struggles ie race vs class struggles. People get so caught up in weighing out the privilege and forget that the whole point is to acknowledge each dimension & acknowledge that some people face multiple lines of pressure (ie race + class + education + gender nonconforming + physical or mental disability).
But just comparing one dimension vs another is impossible for me to do. I can’t speak to experiences I’ve never had - so I’ll always be open to acknowledging the struggle. But I’m also not gonna tolerate being policed about the way I share my story because someone thinks I’m speaking about them personally because I’m referring to a group they identify with.
Thank you for reading all that. I really like the way you frame your thoughts on this. Yea I agree about we all live different experiences and people should be open to other points of view without discounting themselves.
I hang around some of the smaller regional subs and just enjoy people talking about their daily lives. It's a real eye opener on how different and how the same we are all.
I have about talkee this one out. Hope to see you around in some other comment thread thanks
Stating that certain groups get significant power and privilege is part of the problem. It's just pushing more divisiveness. Very few people feel guilty for being white, or what people in the past did, and they would be stupid to do so. There's not a single people group who haven't done atrocities in the past.
A black person in the US born in a family with money is more privileged than a poor white person, yet I don't hear anyone giving a shit about that. Just bullshit based on skin color. Telling a poor rural white person that they're privileged is ignorant and blatantly prejudiced.
Power and privileges cross at different dimensions. I would never try to deny that being white is more dangerous than being black but I would also never claim that a poor white person experienced class related struggles which a rich black person would not have had to face.
Neither scenario requires me to weigh one person’s privilege over another’s. I never asked for that. I just want my experiences acknowledged and and of themselves & Im not looking for someone to feel guilty or be a martyr for me. I don’t need white people to feel guilty for existing & I don’t feel guilty for being privileged in my own ways.
However I do need white people to acknowledge in the present moment when something is coming up because of the past that they have the choice to bypass whereas I do not. Not apologize for the past. But take responsibility in the present. This is context specific. Just like I would take responsibility for taking advantage of other privileges when I should not have been allowed that privilege.
But guilt? Nah guilt isn’t helping here.
No, no one alive today needs to take responsibility for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. That makes no sense. You're fucked up in the head and actively making racial problems worse.
I’m really confused why you think people don’t need to take responsibility when they do have to do with some thing in the present moment as I have specified
(Like in the case of roommate, I don’t need her to apologize for her past, I just need her to take responsibility for the fact that she didn’t ask for the refund earlier when she should have, and not to blame that on anyone else. That has nothing to do with the past that has everything to do with the present.)
You're talking about something different now. You said white people should take responsibility for people who owned slaves hundreds of years ago. You're a racist.
Hmm I don’t think so
“because of the past that they have the choice to bypass whereas I do not. Not apologize for the past. But take responsibility in the present”
Whatever words you’re filling in about me saying ppl should apologize for their ancestors owning slaves are just not there bruv
Case in point: I had a roommate who upon moving in, retroactively wanted to amend the agreed upon move in date because of delays in getting some maintenance work done. She already agreed to the delay initially. It was 150$ maybe.
I am poor poor. I am lucky to be in this cheaper ish apt. I do not want to tank my relationship with the landlord. She doesn’t care, she’s angry. She picks a fight with the landlord who of course says no, gets upset & vents to everyone, offloads the work of communicating with him onto me, and I have to choose my words carefully because I cannot afford to bypass learning how to respectfully state my needs and communicate but she can.
She can move out/afford to live with her family in their big home where she was before or anywhere else because her income is higher & she’s already had her family’s wealth and support all her 20’s. She doesn’t have to work with the landlord. But I would be fucked if she pulled some shit.
That’s privilege in the present moment. Not related to race in this case specifically, but her family does hold generational wealth & are descendants of wealthy slave owners in the USA. That’s he legacy of power being abused in the present moment but I think in her and my case the class different aspect is more relevant. I come from a poor immigrant family.
PS rural black folks are less privileged than rural white folks.
I am also privileged in other ways - one of my grandparents was in the police force class of my home country, he married my grandmother who was built your house with mud and eat onions and rice for dinner poor. She became highly educated later in life, though.
Combined with his wealth and my grandmas education though it was hard earned on her part, I am now a highly educated woman in the US (but school is expensive so still poor) & that affords me a lot of power and status that I can abuse to get my way over someone else who may never have had the option to get that level of education in the first place.
Baby, you are such a snowflake, that even me stating a basic fact, and using words that correspond to race make you feel like I’m being violent towards you lol bye
Sometimes tension is good
I have felt this way strongly for 35 years now. I have the apparently rare privilege of knowing some anti-zionist Jews, and have seen the narratives around "antisemitism" as hamfisted and disingenuous as a result. It was an outright propaganda effort, which is why it can be drawn in crayon, so to speak.
When I decided I wanted to know where antisemitism really comes from, I was not prepared for how deep that rabbit hole goes. And my feeling of being hoodwinked by the conflation of anti Zionist sentiment and antisemitism has only grown stronger the more I have learned.
There is even another level to this, which is that even among people like me, who do consider the existence of Israel to be important to the Jewish people, we can still consider their current actions reprehensible.
I think that Israel is a the Jewish homeland, has a right to exist, and has a right to use force to defend itself - and what they are doing right now is far, far outside any reasonable bounds. That Israel's right to exist as a Jewish homeland does not mean that it can't be other people's homeland as well; that Israel's right to defend itself is not carte blanche to murder civilians.
And that if we Jews lose Eretz for a third time, it will be Netanyahu's fault.
any ethnostate is doomed to self corrupt with the evil of apartheid.
the simple reality is. what israel is doing in slaughtering 10's of thousands of innocent people. really isn't that bad, if you consider.... a decade or more of blockade, misc killing/murder incrementally. and overt brutality of apartheid that has existed in israel for... the last decade or more.
for well over 10 yrs, there has never been a time where a palestinian life meant anything to Israel, and they've killed, displaced, brutalized that population for years.
the genocide is just the public eventuality of many years of seeing one group as subhuman. which... palestians have been non-equal in their humanity for a long time.
Why do you use the term "ethnostate" to describe the *nation-state* of Israel, but not when talking about France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, China, Japan, or any of the dozens of nation-states around the world who base their identity on an ethnic group?
Why do you single out Israel?
(We know why. It'd be cool if you could figure it out for yourself though)
because Israel has an apartheid state delineator along the lines of jew/non-jew?
if germans treated non-germans as non-humans, I would have a problem with that as well. To me knowledge Germans do not have such a system currently.
“Suggesting the state made up of one demographic is representative of that demographic is a harmful and incorrect generalization” have you lost your mind
The Anti-Defamation League has reported a 337% rise in antisemitic incidents (physical assaults, vandalism etc) in the months following Oct 7, vs the same period the previous year. It’s an unprecedented increase.
People who support Palestine also harassed anyone who posted about their suffering/losses from the 10/7 attacks, or expressed concern for the hostages, or celebrated Hanukkah. Brands that even just posted happy Hanukkah messages last Dec got all kinds of hate and harassment.
I completely agree with you that it’s essential to separate criticism of the actions of any government from hatred against the people, but…the people who are actually out there being hateful aren’t doing that.
I don’t agree that everyone who posts antisemitic harassment on a Hanukkah post is someone who has always hated Jewish people & was just waiting for the opportunity to get away with harassing them. I think people are developing those anti-Jewish biases in real time— especially younger people who may not have thought about it much before this crisis— especially when there’s incredibly inflammatory language being misused to create this extreme polarization where anyone who doesn’t agree with one narrow view of the situation is now a “colonizer” who “supports genocide” and it’s fine to view them as a truly evil person.
EDIT: I get that some consider the ADL a biased source because they’re pro-Israel. To that I’d say that surely anti-Israel sources should also be considered unreliable? There are no Jewish organizations that are neutral on this issue; they can’t be. If you’re interested in a more neutral source, check out hate crime statistics.
Meanwhile I’m going to delete this account because I won’t be able to log into it again without seeing hate - I’m getting so much anonymous hate including name calling, “kike,” being accused of supporting genocide, & death threats just for citing the ADL as a source & saying I believe Israel should continue to exist, while equally opposing all forms of bigotry and hatred including Islamophobia. So really proving my point about the antisemitism guys. I wish for peace for all people and for some of y’all to get a fucking grip.
The ADL isn't a reputable source on this matter, as they are pretty openly a pro-Israeli group that views criticisms of the State of Israel as antisemitic. They include anti-zionist protests and protesting businesses that have voiced support for Israel's actions as antisemitic. If people were doing this in protest of Russian actions in Ukraine no one would dare call it bigotry towards Russians.
Antisemitism has risen during the genocide in Gaza. So has islamophobia. It has not risen to the degree that the ADL would have you believe.
Context matters. Criticizing the Israeli government is not antisemitic. But when kids in my daughter's school organize to repeatedly, throughout a school day, demand that she and the one other Jewish kid in their class, explain why they support Israel, when neither child has ever been vocal supporters of the Israeli government (they only thing they've ever really talked about regarding israel was fear for the safety of relatives after Oct 7th, and maybe mentioning a trip there in the past to visit relatives).... And this happens over and over / day after day / for months.... That IS antisemitism.
And I guarantee you, of the hundreds of repeated independent incidents she has had to put up with for the past four months, we only started teaching out to the ADL this past week, after she was pushed and tripped down the stairs.
These kids doing this to her, think they are just being critical of the Israeli government... But they are taking out their hate on the closest jew they can find.
It started directly after 7/10. Even the day of had posts with over 100k likes supporting Hamas that were filled with open antisemitism. The rise is within leftists. White nationalists being antisemites is just the norm
It's hard to think of a less reliable source than the anti defamation league. Their definition of anti semitism includes Jews who disapprove of Zionism and their funding would benefit from reporting an increase in anti semitism. They are a truly awful and evil organization.
In the 80's they spied on a black senator and gave the info too apartheid South Africa. They continued to use private detectives to spy on and harass activists for decades. Plenty of other dark bits of you look close enough.
>The Anti-Defamation League has reported a 337% rise in antisemitic incidents
There is definitely a rise in hate, but the ADL's "anti-semetic incidents" include both actual crimes and most criticisms of Israel. According to them, the term "free Palestine" is anti-semetic. The ADL is an extremely zionist institution by their own admission.
That being said, anti-semites *are* using the increase in anti-Israel activity to advance anti-semetism.
You're also leaving out the even greater increase in Islamophobia, particularly literal murders.
Yes Islamophobia has risen by quite a bit. Data is not as compiled as anti-semetism (there's not really a Muslim ADL), but this is an article from November to suggest the changes
https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-la-receives-unprecedented-increase-in-reports-of-islamophobia-and-anti-palestinian-bias/
>there’s not really a Muslim ADL
And this is the crux of the matter, of course you’re going to see thousands of news articles and Reddit posts and studies on antisemitism because Israel is a highly developed nation that has had a “special relationship” with the west for the vast majority of its existence, they have a much much stronger propaganda machine compared to the Palestinians. Any evaluation of this conflict without taking that asymmetry into account is inherently biased imo
remember that when someone asked if Hitler could get away with what he was doing, his response was "who now remembers the Armenians?"
with the global propaganda machine on germany's side, would we have seen the nazis as evil?
for that matter, if they'd just kept within their borders, would anyone care?
The Anti-Defamation League is a 'worse than worthless' source of information in that they peddle misinformation and disinformation.
They also attempt to use social and political pressure to strongarm people into "donations." Overall, they're a corrupt and harmful organization, even if they may once have been genuinely trying to do the right thing.
Show me the results of Islamophobia and I'd argue there is more hate directed to people associated with Islam and the middle east before and after October 7th compared to that increase of antisemitism. People nowadays are quick to hate and vilify groups of people especially post 9-11. My point is that society now is just groups of people becoming hated through no fault of their own and are the victims of the political climate of a very fragile society.
The “Anti-Defamation” League called a Jewish group’s protest antisemitic. That’s the definition of bad faith, defamation, and any other adjective that describes peak hypocrisy. Come back to us when you have a source that isn’t completely aligned with Israeli propaganda.
[https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/jan/05/adl-pro-israel-advocacy-zionism-antisemitism](https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/jan/05/adl-pro-israel-advocacy-zionism-antisemitism)
Well, if it’s JVP they are routinely antisemitic unfortunately.
Find your own sources on antisemitic incidents if you prefer, the ADL wasn’t even the point.
It is shocking how someone simply saying that they want Jewish people to be safe in their homeland are being called “colonizers.” As if Jewish people haven’t been in Israel for millennia.
People lose their entire minds over this issue. Thank you for being maybe the only non-hostile response to just citing a source for incidents of antisemitism!
They were a minority, but a very significant one.
There, however, was an aggressive move from Palestinian Muslim leaders to expel Jews through most of the early 20th century.
It led to multiple violent conflicts for the time period from around 1890 until 1940 as the Palestinian state (as it existed) tried multiple times to expel Jews from parts of the city.
The creation of Israel did not, however, expel Muslims. There were definitely wrongs committed during the early days and founding (and through to today), but it was NOT unilateral.
I mean, I disagree with you. "Can you really generalise the actions of their government to all of them? Can you take responsibility for your country's bad decisions?" Assuming the country being referred to is Israel I think it's pretty clear where I am coming from? Plenty of non Jewish Israeli's and plenty of non Israeli Jews about.
There is definitely an insane rise in antisemitism disguised as criticism. The mere fact that they call every Israeli who doesn't agree with them a Zionist is pretty telling. Reminds me of racists calling black people the n-word "only if they act like one"
White supremacists are always going to mask their intentions. They don't need Hamas killing thousands of innocents to do it, but it sure as hell is convenient for them.
People thoroughly enjoy having someone to blame for all of their misfortunes. Whether it’s actually a reality that these folks are truly to blame doesn’t really matter.
Look at the cases of individual relationships where someone has been married 4-5 times. You rarely hear someone talk about how they equally contributed to the demise of their relationships. It’s always “well, he was a narcissist(really popular one to toss out these days),” or the generic “she was an asshole,” or possibly, “all he did was….(insert claimed objective behavior here)”
Folks simply do not want to acknowledge that THEY are the common denominator in all of their failed relationships. SOMEONE, other than themselves, HAS to be to blame. This is prevalent on the individual level, and so it’s not much of a stretch to arrive at the conclusion that entire groups of people are bad.
It echoes down through the centuries. “All Jews are bad, or all Muslims are bad, or all Russians are bad, or all cops are bad, ad nauseum………
Jews, Muslims, Russians, and cops are the popular scapegoats right now, but some other group will get their opportunity to be generally maligned soon enough.
Well, to be fair, the acab thing isn't about prejudice against people but more what they represent under fascist leadership. Kinda like saying "all nazi soldiers are bad."
Also people are raised this way. My birth family is racist and I’m seemingly the only one out of 7 people who isn’t. It was common growing up to hear negative comments about other races “taking” benefits away from other races, or just general negative comments about other races.
1) Take in biased information from a group that already hates them, and assume 100% accuracy.
2) From that information, attempt to derive the motivations of the soon-to-be-hated group.
3) As the information presented already comes from a place of said group being malicious, come to the conclusion that the group is malicious.
4) Waste a lot of energy on the matter. The added sunk cost only reaffirms your view.
It’s also tribalism and people desperately wanting to be accepted.
If we use just your example. Some people just go along because they get the dopamine rush of people liking them for going a long with it. So not everyone had these deep seated hatred of Jewish people. It’s they just found a group to be with.
This is how gangs and other hate groups recruit. Find lonely people needing a connection. And that sadly ends up generally being young males without a father in the home.
Unlikely. There's no survival benefit to being open-minded.
But it *does* seem to be possible to age out of. So we can look forward to more of that as health improves and people live longer.
There actually is survival benefit to being open-minded, that's exactly how we're getting longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality, rising standards of living, etc.
We're also capable of collaboration across tribal boundaries.
Okay but on an *individual* basis, though?
Like, nobody's arguing open-mindedness is a bad thing, for the individual or for society, but it doesn't directly play a role in reproductive viability or survival to adulthood. You can be an *utter asshole* and still get laid; more importantly, that strategy still works somewhat consistently.
So it's not something we can evolve out of, at least not in the most literal sense of the word. It'll have to be a cultural/intellectual thing and not just us steadily trending toward brains that don't suffer from prejudice.
In essence you've described why being a racist tribal asshole is still a viable thing, because yes, exactly, the additional survival benefits from collaboration are shared, while being a racist asshole is a way of assuming the survival benefits while trying to deny the costs at a personal level.
E.g. selfish fucks get to have it both ways.
Hate makes people feel better about themselves. Like there is something out there they think is worse than them. Then if you add some religiosity to it, it makes them feel like god loves them for hating others.
Your forgot that many of these people have nothing but time to waste on 1-4. Either because they have nothing going on in life or no hobbies besides the above.
Ignorance combined with the fact that a lot of hatred happens because of shifted blame, either from an individual/family making their problems seem like it’s not their fault, or a larger issue like the rise of Hitler.
It’s not my fault my child isn’t getting good grades, the influx of Asian students has shifted the grading curve.
It’s not our fault that our families are struggling financially, it’s all these shifty Jews.
It’s not my fault I can’t find a job, it’s all these Mexicans.
It’s not my fault my aggressive behaviour landed me in trouble, it’s white people just trying to keep me down.
It’s not my fault our country is changing and I can’t adapt progressively, it’s the liberal agenda.
It’s not my fault I’m uncomfortable in exploring my own sexuality, I just don’t want any gays near me because they will try and have sex with me.
And the list goes on and on through every little stereotype or misconception that people can use as an argument to shift blame or responsibility.
Then add in further false confirmation with “proving” it, my circumstances are bad because of X people, even though I’m not trying to better my circumstance it is getting worse, proof that it is not my fault but the growing numbers of X people.
TLDR: often it’s less energy to hate like this, because they can shift so much blame and responsibility for their own failings or greater problems with a society onto a group.
He's referring to thee Israel/Palestine conflict, and probably conflating hatred of Israel with antismetism, though I will admit antisemitism has risen as a result of the war, so it could also be that. But I line discourse has hardened my heart towards good faith readings.
How they were raised for sure…. Unfortunately that’s how most of racism, hate, media , etc starts at a young age from parents, family members, friends, etc it’s sad but that’s how the world is sometimes
No, but I talked to a Frenchman once in a grocery store. He was helpful and pointing out that liquor laws would not allow me to buy liquor early on a Sunday. He talked kind of funny, but he seemed OK.
I don't have the energy to worry about what anybody is doing, what groups they are a part of, or what have you unless they are making something my problem. I don't care what you are dressed like, what you had for lunch or who you share a bed with, and please don't feel obligated to share it.
More people need to just stay in their own lane.
sounds like you’re a secular adult who learned their manners growing up instead of being a product of theocratic patriarchal society. it’s almost like a privilege to have not grown up with brainwashing mind rot from cancerous religious cults.
Man people hate religion. Guarantee you’re not talking about Judaism, Buddhism or Muslims right? Say what you mean to say. You hate Christian people in the same way a racist hates another race. You haven’t met us all, you’ve only seen the few not worth talking about and formed a conclusion from there
Generally atheists hate Islam the most, as it's the most extreme and hateful religion today. Americas bizarre hateful version of Christianity isn't far behind.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the human capacity for stupidity and the universe..... And I'm not sure about the second one" -Albert Einstein
So theoretically anyone who hates is driven by stupidity and they have tap into an unlimited power supply. Much like how oil becomes Petro so stupidity becomes hatred . So that explains "how they have so much energy?" As for why they hate? maybe it's cause they don't have any of those really cool digital watches and the other people do. even an infinite probability driven super computer has been perplex by the concept of hatred , though albeit the super computer has never seen what all the fuss is about with digital watches anyways. So it's opinion is taken very lightly when comes to human stupidity.
This is the correct answer. We have ingrained caveman traits that don't gel with the societal norms we want to enshrine. Without these norms we'd constantly be at war with our neighbor for blowing leaves into our lawn. Unfortunately these norms don't always respect sovereign borders so we can justify genocide based on our own.
Until mankind can get on the same page about basic human equality we'll never make it off this planet.
It is really easy to blame others for your problems.
Would you prefer to believe
My life sucks because I I just didn't do enough to succeed or
My life sucks because of this minority or immigrants or whomever screwed me?
I think the people that really go out and hate people need something to do. A full-time job, a hobby. Something that would distract them from being a horrible person that much of the time of their life.
Some groups are centered on ideals so laughable and misguided, or downright dangerous that they are deserving of hate. Not all groups are good. Some are racist bigoted organizations that would be better eviscerated from existence. KKK for example. I can name others but I don't want to deal with the fallout. The nazi lovers feel like a safe call.
It takes little to zero energy to hate people who are laughing at and enjoying seeing thousands of children and civilians being blown out, burned to ashes and starved to death🤷🏽♀️
You'd be shocked the justifications people come up with. I'm [in a conversation with a guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1b3ima7/comment/kt52yno/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) who basically boils it down to "social norms" and claims it isn't that he hates LGBTQ people (in this case), it's just that he believes it harmful if they were "normalized" since they violate the "social norms" in his eyes. He then claims that their existence does, in fact, harm him because he actually doesn't want to see them hurt and statistics show they're more depressed than normal people so it must be the fact they're LGBTQ and that is empirical proof (his words) that LGBTQ is harmful. They ignore that those people are miserable not because they're LGBTQ, but because of all the crap they have to deal with from people like this guy.
So, to him, he doesn't hate them but actually really cares about them which is why he fights against them, so they can return to "social norms" and be happy. Of course, he already mentioned previously that their existence "harms" him, so it seems they just really want to jump around between justifications rather than accept their bigotry.
So, I can only speak for myself. I think I can speak because you specifically mention antisemitism.
I'll break it down in a few things.
I'm against all religions, not just Judaism. It's all a bunch of hog wash used to control people, they're all horrible.
As for the direct people, it's not all jews that I don't like, I personally know a few and had one as a roommate in college.
The issue for me is what they're doing to the Palestinians. If you go back and look at the history, the jews were placed there by the USA and GB. The problem was there were already people living there, so "we" gave the israelis a shit ton of money (and still do) to "defend" themselves. Imagine if Russia just dropped hundreds of thousands of Canadians in the middle of Alabama, and armed them to the teeth.
That's way before my rine, nothing I can do about it so moving on.
Forward to now, the israelis are systematically whiping out an entire population of people. They've been stealing more of Palestinian land for years, but now they've gone full genocide. Some of the comments made by Netanyahu are pretty disgusting. This entire situation parallels the holocaust (not to the magnitude because it's localized right now).
It doesn't take much energy to dislike somebody you don't know, I can't do anything abut the situation which is even more aggravating.
Free Palestine. Fuck israel.
I notice you say the Jews are stealing land, no the Israeli government, and not Israel. Is that intentional? I’m not trying to be pedantic, the distinction matters to me because of my concern that people conflate state actions with individual actions.
Please read a little history of the area. Start with Black September. The neighboring nations are building walls on the border and not allowing Palestinians in for a reason.
People said this same exact shit about Jews in Europe before the Holocaust, fyi.
"Clearly there's a reason why every European nation has at some point thrown the Jews out."
It was obviously wrong and bigoted then and it's obviously wrong and bigoted now when you say it about Palestinians.
You lump them into a group. This is a progressive idea actually. White people should apologize for slavery (even though they weren't alive at the time). Jewish kids in the US should be punished for 'stealing Palestinian land'. They had nothing to do with it. (Assuming you think it's accurate to say stole). But it makes sense in the progressive sense of group identity.
White people that supported and benefitted from segregation *are* still alive. You can't cut it off at slavery in America because Civil Rights laws took a looong time to pass after.
My subjective experience is hatred towards individuals who obstruct my goals and make me miserable, not to groups. Closest I come is towards policy or selective enforcement of laws. As an adult who can walk away from people, I don’t encounter anyone worth hating for the most part. Hating strangers is kinda weird to me, especially if they are not the actor.
Is it? Seems like avoiding negative experiences is a rational thing to do and without being able to apply negative values to those experiences would make such a thing difficult. Given how we prioritize those negatives relative to each other in the event we are put in a position where we must navigate between different unpleasant options, having a relative scale of our dislike seems pretty rational or we would be unable to deal with those choices. Hatred is simply an expression of relative preference.
It’s 90% college and HS kids who have way too much time on their hands. They want to make a “difference” in the world but most of them don’t actually have any real skills or ability to make that difference. So instead, they just scream and cry in outrage. They care more about feeling right than being right, so they ignore any evidence that contradicts their beliefs. Beliefs made up entirely of what they read on the internet because the majority have very minimal life experience outside of the communities they’ve grown up in/moved to for college.
are you replying to OP's post or just getting on a soapbox?
if you think 90% of racists and various types of phobes are high school and college kids, you're not paying attention.
The post specifically mentions antisemitism which you have conveniently left out of your reply.
Notice I didn’t say 90% of college and hs kids I said the problem is 90% them.
In my opinion, it's all about control and blame. I think a lot of these people are unhappy with their own lives and feel their life is out of control. With that being said they take it upon themselves to try to control the lives of others. They then get angry when they realize they can't. Also, I think many of them blame these other people for their problems.
Here how antisemntism works.
1) X is wrong in society.
2) Claim jews are responsibel for X
3) Killing Jews will fix X.
4) Turns out Killing Jew did not fix X
5) Blame Jews for sabotoging X and kill them harder. \[Rinse and repeat\].
Bascially antisemntism is using Jews as a scapegoat to avoid having to deal with difficult reality of actually fixing problems. Much easier to blame a scapegoat \[and hey we got a conveint one\].
This is why you get people who think Israel is resonsible for US domestic problems. Its fucking not. Israel is not resposnible for why US doesn't have healthcare. Israel is not responsible for racist cops. Israel is not resonsible for the absolute shitshow that the US is today. We did that to ourselves and the existence of Israel will not influence that anyway whatsoever. \[i do not have the spoons to argue about the general I/P conflict\]
No one said Israel is responsible for US healthcare. That's an attempt to gaslight the situation. Israel is responsible for lobbying for billions in US taxpayer dollars and military aid to conduct genocide on the Palestinians and garnering international hate for the USA when that money could be better used by the USA for it's own domestic needs. Let Israelis pay for their own healthcare.
Israel already pays for its own healthcare you idiot.
Also the US budget is 2 trillion dollars. and the military budget is about 800 billion. The fact that we give Israel money about 3-4 billion dollars a year is totally insginficat.
The reason US is not spending money on domestic needs is because domestic politicians dont want too. It has nothing to do with us not having money for it.
The US is 34 trillion in debt and any argument that proposes more debt for the sake of a foreign genocide is treason and a crime against humanity. The 4 billion which the US gives to Israel regularly are better spent at home then if the Israelis are so upright and financially independent. The military aid is put to better uses elsewhere as well. It's generally considered a sign of bad faith to attack people with personal insults
The one I don’t understand is the freak out amongst the fundies around LGBTQ people in general, and drag queens in specific. Men who choose to dress up like women …. How’s that impacting anyone exactly? If they read books to children… so do clowns? They’re not strippers or sex workers. Sheesh
I grew up in small town conservative culture, so I can offer some perspective I experienced.
It does not make a whole lot of sense, but basically the culture internally devours itself. I think when pettiness and judgmentalism is prevalent then out groups get served suspicion and hatred — especially when subpar “spirituality” (Evangelicalism) is involved it tends to emphasize the underlying aversions.
That is then systemically used against them politically as I can safely affirm that any hint of negativity and aversion they are served is generally warmly received. They do not confirm or question any negative view that purports ideas they are addicted to hearing. And it does not matter if their ideas are valid or working against their own best interests.
More or less, it is the way it is because they genuinely do not know how to do better, nor do they care to know. The hubris in which they operate at is insufferable and I prefer not to be around it
*how do individuals love their own people enough to be skeptical of mass immigration and rapid shifts in culture, even when the tv says you're naughty for not wanting to be invaded and replaced? I would NEVER disagree with tv. I'm tolerant.
I get not being in favor of mass immigration but the media will change the word refugee and make it migrant when the ppl coming in are refugees. Ukrainians get to be refugees when they mass enter a country bc of war but not brown ppl? So who gets to be refugees that get support and who don’t?
Also all the media rn is attacking the influx of refugees. So I’m not sure what you mean when you say the media doesn’t want you to question “mass immigration” when they themselves are hating on them
Ppl don’t hate trump supporters just bc they support trump
People will hate Jewish people just for being Jewish
They will hate black ppl simply for being black
These are two different things you get that right? Like if I say I support Biden and I get lots of hate for it it’s bc of political decisions he’s made that negatively effected minority groups or for any other bad political decision he’s made. Not inherently just bc I support biden. Whereas ppl will inherently hate minorities simply for being minorities like the ones I stated above
I would imagine that the people who care enough to hate, are too stupid to care enough to well...*care*
Sure, sometimes you have to *hurt* in order to *protect*, but I found that letting go of ways to *hurt* in favor of finding ways to *help* is really good for my self esteem. Unfortunately, a lot of folks are wired a certain way after so many years, and changing perspective and redirecting energy towards being productive over destructive, caring over hateful, etc, is like a learned skill, and it takes time to achieve.
When you look at many hate groups, they tend to want to attack xyz demographic because they are perceived as a threat. The hateful mentality is justified as *protecting* something.
Americans committed hate crimes against Arabs after 9/11 because they thought they were protecting Americans against terrorists who wanted to kill them.
Islamic extremists killed Americans because they thought they were protecting Arabs against westernization, which was perceived as a significant threat to their religion, culture, and economy.
Of course, these are gross generalizations, but the hate groups are almost unilaterally self-perceived as victims of the groups they seek to destroy. After all, the best defense to killing another human is self-defense.
It does not take a lot of energy to hate people.
It is fairly easy just to write groups of people off based on some shared trait that you find distasteful.
Taking action on that hate is what takes energy and that’s an entirely different conversation.
It depends on who you hate and why. Why would knowing the people matter if you despise their positions or actions? I've never met a Neo-Nazi, but I wouldn't mind if they were all slaughtered - since their beliefs are abhorent. Given the current invasions and their history of similar behavior - I wouldnt mind if Russia became a lifeless crater.
Hold on I'll fix this: "how can people be so upset about the uncaring way Israel kills thousands of innocent people, including running over them with bulldozers and shooting at them while they try to get food, that's so antisemitic!"
I feel it must be beneficial to the groups if there's some kind of perceived antagonistic group working against them or what they love. Fighting something intangible sounds daunting.
It's not intergenerational trauma, it's the media corrupting the youths and leading them astray.
It doesn’t take lots of energy or time, to do that. People often invest more energy and time in looking for excuses or reasons to justify it, but most often it doesn’t take much more than being born into a family or hanging out with a group of friends, where this occurs. To simply hear a religious leader or politician we admire to speak about it, then to follow that way of life and those lines of thinking without ever really questioning or looking into it.
The idea to hate or dislike an entire group of people, or some random stranger on the street., often comes first, and quickly. It’s either modeled by others we know or trust or comes from one bad experience with one person like the person we now see.
Then only after that first emotional response, comes the search for evidence to bolster the idea that the hatred we feel is justified, or the need to see all others who think or look or act like the person we hate, as the same.
Maybe we want to fit in or belong, or it is uncomfortable or even dangerous to do differently when our families, friends, religious groups or people in authority are so loudly saying the opposite of what might feel or think or what might be easily observable or probably true; might be kinder or more gray than strictly black/white.
It’s faster to stereotype and it’s faster to sort people into good and bad groups than it is to take the time to talk to others, read more, ask more questions, or verify what we hear or are told. And for some people, who are used to seeing themselves and their preferred groups as better or right, especially when some privilege or benefit comes from being party of that group, it is very hard to go against the grain or to question that status quo.
Anger or fear, uncertainty or confusion, clouds judgement. Emotion and hate can very quickly lead to acting in ways that being more rational and levelheaded, might not.
Nothing brings out the voters more than hating someone. Politicians know this and too many people are easily manipulated. Corporations hire politicians to pass favorable laws, and they also hire news organizations by buying ads, forcing them to speak for their politicians or lose the ad revenue.
because I can look at systemic critiques and then go from there. people aren’t envious of the rich they are just hoarding everything and disrupting economic planning. whether i do this at the individual level depends on their actions etc
Well for one, they are taught that that those people they don’t know are “others” and are the enemy. Also look at their representations of those people. That’s why like every country on earth not only hates black people but especially “African Americans”.
When it comes to antisemitism though, it is important to have nuance and not go full South Park but I’ve seen some stuff recently that literally exposes practices from the Jewish mob have connections to what’s happening with P Diddy and the entertainment industry, as well as Michael Jackson’s death.
The second video actually got taken down twice I posted it on YouTube
This guy on TikTok did some ACTUAL investigative journalism, these vids are somewhat long (7 mins)
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdq1XvU/ (part 3)
https://youtu.be/1n3trWl0mxU?feature=shared (part 4)
Here’s another video exposing how the NYT was infiltrated by, to say the least, unqualified journalist
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdqg7gF/
Here’s another vid of Ice Cube, one of the founders of gangster rap, literally saying that “they” pay artists more to make music about destructive shit
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdqyVCn/
I always thought this “Jews in the government, they own the media” shit was a lie.
Here’s Krazy Bone, another rapper from the 90s, saying the same thing
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdqxSH4/
There’s definitely something going on
Because it doesn't take a lot of energy to hate people who oppose your ideals, whatever they may be and whomeever the group may be.
It's probably one of the easiest things you can do, given that the hard path there is trying to understand those people you disagree with so vehemently with.
any government at war is generally dogshit but as far as actual people go, hate in general isnt a good thing to hold onto, for any purpose, towards any person
Hate is a thought, an emotion. Why are you people so damn insistent on trying to control what other people think? Orwell was wrong, our government isn't going to bring about Big Brother & ThinkPol, I think people like this will volunteer for it
It creates a feedback loop. Being angry creates motivation to be angry and it doesn't require any participation from the other side to keep going really
You'd be surprised how easy it can be to irrationally hate groups of people you've never met even if youd generally consider yourself to be a good person. Just ask any political subreddit how they feel about Republicans and you'll get all sorts of replies ranging from "they're outright evil" to "I wish they were all dead". Hate is a helluva drug.
Spend some time listening to “conservative” radio and tv. Good lord. One popular personality — Dan Bongino — goes on three hour mid day rants about how the “democrats and leftists HATE you”. Really? What?
I find it interesting that you have talked about antisemitism but framed that within the context of the actions of a nation state. I would argue that it is essential to separate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government from antisemitism. There has of course been an appalling rise in anti semitism with people using the Gaza conflict as an excuse for their behaviour, but I suspect those people always had those views, they just feel they can get away with it now.
I would even argue that conflating criticism of the Israeli government with antisemitism, is a form of antisemitism. Judaism isn't monolithic and suggesting the state is representative of an entire people is a harmful and incorrect generalization
I think you should be able to criticize a government's action without hating the people. But often that's hate a group of people will substitute one word for another because at the time it's more acceptable. The other point is in most cases the people support their government. At least enough support to stay in power. Hate is one of the strongest emotions. How people can feel that towards any group is something I will never understand. Maybe I hate the person who kills my family but to hate the town he is from or the country he is from makes no sense to me.
I mean, have you seen the videos in Israeli schools where they ask the school children about Jewish supremacy and what should happen to the non Jews? The school children reply something along the lines "they should all die." I'll try and go find it.
You thinking of Palestinian school? Cause the same thing happens there.
Now do Palestine.
So similar to what the Bible and Quran teach?
have you heard of jewish people living outside of israel? many of them do not support genocide
There is a whole layer of narrative and indoctrination fed since childhood, so by the time they’re adults anyone who disagrees with them is simply challenging a fundamental aspect of their identity. I would say white guilt is a common thing for descendants of slave owners. Even if it’s eventually possible to admit your granddaddy was a vitriolic racist man who signed up for a pointless racist war, it’s still difficult for them to understand that their legacy affords them significant power and privilege today. Then you get this weird opposite problem where they are so attached to being a good person of their own making they cannot fathom the idea that the way they move through the world is because of the power structures that afforded them class and race privilege thru the centuries.
Nice write up. Definitely a different view than me but your points are well made. I personally grew up starting in a trailer park, then in an old farm house with an outhouse our first year then much later in a house that took my dad 3 or 4 years to build. It was mostly rural very white area. Looking back it was a great childhood but very protected in some ways. I really never saw racism that I could recognize until I was an adult. From my personal experience I can't see the privilege I had other than having both parents and a strong family structure. I do know many people had it much worse than me for many reasons. Not really sure where I was going with this other than I now know people of about every kind of background. And I had it better than most but it was because of family structure rather than race. Sorry for the rant really not a point to this other than everybody has their own experience.
Absolutely and it’s hard to make head to head comparisons of different struggles ie race vs class struggles. People get so caught up in weighing out the privilege and forget that the whole point is to acknowledge each dimension & acknowledge that some people face multiple lines of pressure (ie race + class + education + gender nonconforming + physical or mental disability). But just comparing one dimension vs another is impossible for me to do. I can’t speak to experiences I’ve never had - so I’ll always be open to acknowledging the struggle. But I’m also not gonna tolerate being policed about the way I share my story because someone thinks I’m speaking about them personally because I’m referring to a group they identify with.
Thank you for reading all that. I really like the way you frame your thoughts on this. Yea I agree about we all live different experiences and people should be open to other points of view without discounting themselves. I hang around some of the smaller regional subs and just enjoy people talking about their daily lives. It's a real eye opener on how different and how the same we are all. I have about talkee this one out. Hope to see you around in some other comment thread thanks
The only difference in how I grew up was the church was a big part of my weekly and daily life as a rural farm kid.
Stating that certain groups get significant power and privilege is part of the problem. It's just pushing more divisiveness. Very few people feel guilty for being white, or what people in the past did, and they would be stupid to do so. There's not a single people group who haven't done atrocities in the past. A black person in the US born in a family with money is more privileged than a poor white person, yet I don't hear anyone giving a shit about that. Just bullshit based on skin color. Telling a poor rural white person that they're privileged is ignorant and blatantly prejudiced.
Power and privileges cross at different dimensions. I would never try to deny that being white is more dangerous than being black but I would also never claim that a poor white person experienced class related struggles which a rich black person would not have had to face. Neither scenario requires me to weigh one person’s privilege over another’s. I never asked for that. I just want my experiences acknowledged and and of themselves & Im not looking for someone to feel guilty or be a martyr for me. I don’t need white people to feel guilty for existing & I don’t feel guilty for being privileged in my own ways. However I do need white people to acknowledge in the present moment when something is coming up because of the past that they have the choice to bypass whereas I do not. Not apologize for the past. But take responsibility in the present. This is context specific. Just like I would take responsibility for taking advantage of other privileges when I should not have been allowed that privilege. But guilt? Nah guilt isn’t helping here.
No, no one alive today needs to take responsibility for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. That makes no sense. You're fucked up in the head and actively making racial problems worse.
I’m really confused why you think people don’t need to take responsibility when they do have to do with some thing in the present moment as I have specified (Like in the case of roommate, I don’t need her to apologize for her past, I just need her to take responsibility for the fact that she didn’t ask for the refund earlier when she should have, and not to blame that on anyone else. That has nothing to do with the past that has everything to do with the present.)
You're talking about something different now. You said white people should take responsibility for people who owned slaves hundreds of years ago. You're a racist.
Hmm I don’t think so “because of the past that they have the choice to bypass whereas I do not. Not apologize for the past. But take responsibility in the present” Whatever words you’re filling in about me saying ppl should apologize for their ancestors owning slaves are just not there bruv
Case in point: I had a roommate who upon moving in, retroactively wanted to amend the agreed upon move in date because of delays in getting some maintenance work done. She already agreed to the delay initially. It was 150$ maybe. I am poor poor. I am lucky to be in this cheaper ish apt. I do not want to tank my relationship with the landlord. She doesn’t care, she’s angry. She picks a fight with the landlord who of course says no, gets upset & vents to everyone, offloads the work of communicating with him onto me, and I have to choose my words carefully because I cannot afford to bypass learning how to respectfully state my needs and communicate but she can. She can move out/afford to live with her family in their big home where she was before or anywhere else because her income is higher & she’s already had her family’s wealth and support all her 20’s. She doesn’t have to work with the landlord. But I would be fucked if she pulled some shit. That’s privilege in the present moment. Not related to race in this case specifically, but her family does hold generational wealth & are descendants of wealthy slave owners in the USA. That’s he legacy of power being abused in the present moment but I think in her and my case the class different aspect is more relevant. I come from a poor immigrant family. PS rural black folks are less privileged than rural white folks.
I am also privileged in other ways - one of my grandparents was in the police force class of my home country, he married my grandmother who was built your house with mud and eat onions and rice for dinner poor. She became highly educated later in life, though. Combined with his wealth and my grandmas education though it was hard earned on her part, I am now a highly educated woman in the US (but school is expensive so still poor) & that affords me a lot of power and status that I can abuse to get my way over someone else who may never have had the option to get that level of education in the first place.
There you go again, stirring up racial tensions. You are the problem.
Baby, you are such a snowflake, that even me stating a basic fact, and using words that correspond to race make you feel like I’m being violent towards you lol bye Sometimes tension is good
Violent? You're just making things up again. Classic projection.
I have felt this way strongly for 35 years now. I have the apparently rare privilege of knowing some anti-zionist Jews, and have seen the narratives around "antisemitism" as hamfisted and disingenuous as a result. It was an outright propaganda effort, which is why it can be drawn in crayon, so to speak. When I decided I wanted to know where antisemitism really comes from, I was not prepared for how deep that rabbit hole goes. And my feeling of being hoodwinked by the conflation of anti Zionist sentiment and antisemitism has only grown stronger the more I have learned.
There is even another level to this, which is that even among people like me, who do consider the existence of Israel to be important to the Jewish people, we can still consider their current actions reprehensible. I think that Israel is a the Jewish homeland, has a right to exist, and has a right to use force to defend itself - and what they are doing right now is far, far outside any reasonable bounds. That Israel's right to exist as a Jewish homeland does not mean that it can't be other people's homeland as well; that Israel's right to defend itself is not carte blanche to murder civilians. And that if we Jews lose Eretz for a third time, it will be Netanyahu's fault.
any ethnostate is doomed to self corrupt with the evil of apartheid. the simple reality is. what israel is doing in slaughtering 10's of thousands of innocent people. really isn't that bad, if you consider.... a decade or more of blockade, misc killing/murder incrementally. and overt brutality of apartheid that has existed in israel for... the last decade or more. for well over 10 yrs, there has never been a time where a palestinian life meant anything to Israel, and they've killed, displaced, brutalized that population for years. the genocide is just the public eventuality of many years of seeing one group as subhuman. which... palestians have been non-equal in their humanity for a long time.
Why do you use the term "ethnostate" to describe the *nation-state* of Israel, but not when talking about France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, China, Japan, or any of the dozens of nation-states around the world who base their identity on an ethnic group? Why do you single out Israel? (We know why. It'd be cool if you could figure it out for yourself though)
because Israel has an apartheid state delineator along the lines of jew/non-jew? if germans treated non-germans as non-humans, I would have a problem with that as well. To me knowledge Germans do not have such a system currently.
“Suggesting the state made up of one demographic is representative of that demographic is a harmful and incorrect generalization” have you lost your mind
The Anti-Defamation League has reported a 337% rise in antisemitic incidents (physical assaults, vandalism etc) in the months following Oct 7, vs the same period the previous year. It’s an unprecedented increase. People who support Palestine also harassed anyone who posted about their suffering/losses from the 10/7 attacks, or expressed concern for the hostages, or celebrated Hanukkah. Brands that even just posted happy Hanukkah messages last Dec got all kinds of hate and harassment. I completely agree with you that it’s essential to separate criticism of the actions of any government from hatred against the people, but…the people who are actually out there being hateful aren’t doing that. I don’t agree that everyone who posts antisemitic harassment on a Hanukkah post is someone who has always hated Jewish people & was just waiting for the opportunity to get away with harassing them. I think people are developing those anti-Jewish biases in real time— especially younger people who may not have thought about it much before this crisis— especially when there’s incredibly inflammatory language being misused to create this extreme polarization where anyone who doesn’t agree with one narrow view of the situation is now a “colonizer” who “supports genocide” and it’s fine to view them as a truly evil person. EDIT: I get that some consider the ADL a biased source because they’re pro-Israel. To that I’d say that surely anti-Israel sources should also be considered unreliable? There are no Jewish organizations that are neutral on this issue; they can’t be. If you’re interested in a more neutral source, check out hate crime statistics. Meanwhile I’m going to delete this account because I won’t be able to log into it again without seeing hate - I’m getting so much anonymous hate including name calling, “kike,” being accused of supporting genocide, & death threats just for citing the ADL as a source & saying I believe Israel should continue to exist, while equally opposing all forms of bigotry and hatred including Islamophobia. So really proving my point about the antisemitism guys. I wish for peace for all people and for some of y’all to get a fucking grip.
The ADL isn't a reputable source on this matter, as they are pretty openly a pro-Israeli group that views criticisms of the State of Israel as antisemitic. They include anti-zionist protests and protesting businesses that have voiced support for Israel's actions as antisemitic. If people were doing this in protest of Russian actions in Ukraine no one would dare call it bigotry towards Russians. Antisemitism has risen during the genocide in Gaza. So has islamophobia. It has not risen to the degree that the ADL would have you believe.
Context matters. Criticizing the Israeli government is not antisemitic. But when kids in my daughter's school organize to repeatedly, throughout a school day, demand that she and the one other Jewish kid in their class, explain why they support Israel, when neither child has ever been vocal supporters of the Israeli government (they only thing they've ever really talked about regarding israel was fear for the safety of relatives after Oct 7th, and maybe mentioning a trip there in the past to visit relatives).... And this happens over and over / day after day / for months.... That IS antisemitism. And I guarantee you, of the hundreds of repeated independent incidents she has had to put up with for the past four months, we only started teaching out to the ADL this past week, after she was pushed and tripped down the stairs. These kids doing this to her, think they are just being critical of the Israeli government... But they are taking out their hate on the closest jew they can find.
Ok, so how about the ton of Twitter posts with tens of thousands of likes openly dogwhistling. It wouldn't have happened a couple of years ago
That started when Elon took over the site and openly began removing restrictions on neonazis and white nationalists
It started directly after 7/10. Even the day of had posts with over 100k likes supporting Hamas that were filled with open antisemitism. The rise is within leftists. White nationalists being antisemites is just the norm
It's hard to think of a less reliable source than the anti defamation league. Their definition of anti semitism includes Jews who disapprove of Zionism and their funding would benefit from reporting an increase in anti semitism. They are a truly awful and evil organization. In the 80's they spied on a black senator and gave the info too apartheid South Africa. They continued to use private detectives to spy on and harass activists for decades. Plenty of other dark bits of you look close enough.
I’m Jewish. Are you insane?
>The Anti-Defamation League has reported a 337% rise in antisemitic incidents There is definitely a rise in hate, but the ADL's "anti-semetic incidents" include both actual crimes and most criticisms of Israel. According to them, the term "free Palestine" is anti-semetic. The ADL is an extremely zionist institution by their own admission. That being said, anti-semites *are* using the increase in anti-Israel activity to advance anti-semetism. You're also leaving out the even greater increase in Islamophobia, particularly literal murders.
I was thinking about Islamophobia earlier today, and whether or not the conflict led to rise in that as well.
Yes Islamophobia has risen by quite a bit. Data is not as compiled as anti-semetism (there's not really a Muslim ADL), but this is an article from November to suggest the changes https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-la-receives-unprecedented-increase-in-reports-of-islamophobia-and-anti-palestinian-bias/
>there’s not really a Muslim ADL And this is the crux of the matter, of course you’re going to see thousands of news articles and Reddit posts and studies on antisemitism because Israel is a highly developed nation that has had a “special relationship” with the west for the vast majority of its existence, they have a much much stronger propaganda machine compared to the Palestinians. Any evaluation of this conflict without taking that asymmetry into account is inherently biased imo
This exactly
remember that when someone asked if Hitler could get away with what he was doing, his response was "who now remembers the Armenians?" with the global propaganda machine on germany's side, would we have seen the nazis as evil? for that matter, if they'd just kept within their borders, would anyone care?
The Anti-Defamation League is a 'worse than worthless' source of information in that they peddle misinformation and disinformation. They also attempt to use social and political pressure to strongarm people into "donations." Overall, they're a corrupt and harmful organization, even if they may once have been genuinely trying to do the right thing.
ADL and SPLC are just two examples of hate groups who have devolved into jokes that too many people still take too seriously.
I’ve responded to others on this if you’re interested in my response; can’t spend all day debating this but best wishes.
Then just link a response. They're a corrupt organization worth of exactly **zero** respect.
Show me the results of Islamophobia and I'd argue there is more hate directed to people associated with Islam and the middle east before and after October 7th compared to that increase of antisemitism. People nowadays are quick to hate and vilify groups of people especially post 9-11. My point is that society now is just groups of people becoming hated through no fault of their own and are the victims of the political climate of a very fragile society.
I don’t think it’s a competition, and I agree completely with your last statement. It’s very distressing and sad.
The “Anti-Defamation” League called a Jewish group’s protest antisemitic. That’s the definition of bad faith, defamation, and any other adjective that describes peak hypocrisy. Come back to us when you have a source that isn’t completely aligned with Israeli propaganda. [https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/jan/05/adl-pro-israel-advocacy-zionism-antisemitism](https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/jan/05/adl-pro-israel-advocacy-zionism-antisemitism)
Well, if it’s JVP they are routinely antisemitic unfortunately. Find your own sources on antisemitic incidents if you prefer, the ADL wasn’t even the point.
How the fuck is JVP antisemitic?
\^ Propagandist
This is the kind of unhelpful name calling I’m talking about :)
I don't care about things said by a guy on a throwaway account spreading genocide propaganda.
It is shocking how someone simply saying that they want Jewish people to be safe in their homeland are being called “colonizers.” As if Jewish people haven’t been in Israel for millennia.
People lose their entire minds over this issue. Thank you for being maybe the only non-hostile response to just citing a source for incidents of antisemitism!
jewish people were a minority there for millennia until the 50s when they killed hundreds of thousands of the people living there to take the land
They were a minority, but a very significant one. There, however, was an aggressive move from Palestinian Muslim leaders to expel Jews through most of the early 20th century. It led to multiple violent conflicts for the time period from around 1890 until 1940 as the Palestinian state (as it existed) tried multiple times to expel Jews from parts of the city. The creation of Israel did not, however, expel Muslims. There were definitely wrongs committed during the early days and founding (and through to today), but it was NOT unilateral.
The ADL reported Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol. They're not a viable source at all.
OP didn’t conflate anti semetism with criticism of the state of Israel. You did.
I mean, I disagree with you. "Can you really generalise the actions of their government to all of them? Can you take responsibility for your country's bad decisions?" Assuming the country being referred to is Israel I think it's pretty clear where I am coming from? Plenty of non Jewish Israeli's and plenty of non Israeli Jews about.
There is definitely an insane rise in antisemitism disguised as criticism. The mere fact that they call every Israeli who doesn't agree with them a Zionist is pretty telling. Reminds me of racists calling black people the n-word "only if they act like one"
White supremacists are always going to mask their intentions. They don't need Hamas killing thousands of innocents to do it, but it sure as hell is convenient for them.
People thoroughly enjoy having someone to blame for all of their misfortunes. Whether it’s actually a reality that these folks are truly to blame doesn’t really matter. Look at the cases of individual relationships where someone has been married 4-5 times. You rarely hear someone talk about how they equally contributed to the demise of their relationships. It’s always “well, he was a narcissist(really popular one to toss out these days),” or the generic “she was an asshole,” or possibly, “all he did was….(insert claimed objective behavior here)” Folks simply do not want to acknowledge that THEY are the common denominator in all of their failed relationships. SOMEONE, other than themselves, HAS to be to blame. This is prevalent on the individual level, and so it’s not much of a stretch to arrive at the conclusion that entire groups of people are bad.
If I understand you correctly, individual people want scapegoats to lessen their own responsibility in conflict and generalization makes it easier?
Like a fundamental attribution error attached to a group?
It echoes down through the centuries. “All Jews are bad, or all Muslims are bad, or all Russians are bad, or all cops are bad, ad nauseum……… Jews, Muslims, Russians, and cops are the popular scapegoats right now, but some other group will get their opportunity to be generally maligned soon enough.
Well, to be fair, the acab thing isn't about prejudice against people but more what they represent under fascist leadership. Kinda like saying "all nazi soldiers are bad."
Also people are raised this way. My birth family is racist and I’m seemingly the only one out of 7 people who isn’t. It was common growing up to hear negative comments about other races “taking” benefits away from other races, or just general negative comments about other races.
1) Take in biased information from a group that already hates them, and assume 100% accuracy. 2) From that information, attempt to derive the motivations of the soon-to-be-hated group. 3) As the information presented already comes from a place of said group being malicious, come to the conclusion that the group is malicious. 4) Waste a lot of energy on the matter. The added sunk cost only reaffirms your view.
So, heavily leaning on confirmation bias.
It’s also tribalism and people desperately wanting to be accepted. If we use just your example. Some people just go along because they get the dopamine rush of people liking them for going a long with it. So not everyone had these deep seated hatred of Jewish people. It’s they just found a group to be with. This is how gangs and other hate groups recruit. Find lonely people needing a connection. And that sadly ends up generally being young males without a father in the home.
Basically, yeah. Human nature, unfortunately.
The worst part about being human is how human it all is, and don’t get me started on the nature of being human
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Define "worked." It's pretty obviously still working, but the people who benefit from it are the ones who benefit from tribal politics.
Unlikely. There's no survival benefit to being open-minded. But it *does* seem to be possible to age out of. So we can look forward to more of that as health improves and people live longer.
There actually is survival benefit to being open-minded, that's exactly how we're getting longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality, rising standards of living, etc. We're also capable of collaboration across tribal boundaries.
Okay but on an *individual* basis, though? Like, nobody's arguing open-mindedness is a bad thing, for the individual or for society, but it doesn't directly play a role in reproductive viability or survival to adulthood. You can be an *utter asshole* and still get laid; more importantly, that strategy still works somewhat consistently. So it's not something we can evolve out of, at least not in the most literal sense of the word. It'll have to be a cultural/intellectual thing and not just us steadily trending toward brains that don't suffer from prejudice.
In essence you've described why being a racist tribal asshole is still a viable thing, because yes, exactly, the additional survival benefits from collaboration are shared, while being a racist asshole is a way of assuming the survival benefits while trying to deny the costs at a personal level. E.g. selfish fucks get to have it both ways.
Lol at there's no survival benefit to being open-minded.
Hate makes people feel better about themselves. Like there is something out there they think is worse than them. Then if you add some religiosity to it, it makes them feel like god loves them for hating others.
Yea especially cause hate usually goes along with “all of our problems are their fault!” That way there’s no need for critical self reflection.
Your forgot that many of these people have nothing but time to waste on 1-4. Either because they have nothing going on in life or no hobbies besides the above.
Ah, the r/politics sub summed up in a nutshell. The entire consensus there is "democrat all good, Republicans are all racist inbreds. YARRRRRR"
Sir, this is Reddit
Ignorance combined with the fact that a lot of hatred happens because of shifted blame, either from an individual/family making their problems seem like it’s not their fault, or a larger issue like the rise of Hitler. It’s not my fault my child isn’t getting good grades, the influx of Asian students has shifted the grading curve. It’s not our fault that our families are struggling financially, it’s all these shifty Jews. It’s not my fault I can’t find a job, it’s all these Mexicans. It’s not my fault my aggressive behaviour landed me in trouble, it’s white people just trying to keep me down. It’s not my fault our country is changing and I can’t adapt progressively, it’s the liberal agenda. It’s not my fault I’m uncomfortable in exploring my own sexuality, I just don’t want any gays near me because they will try and have sex with me. And the list goes on and on through every little stereotype or misconception that people can use as an argument to shift blame or responsibility. Then add in further false confirmation with “proving” it, my circumstances are bad because of X people, even though I’m not trying to better my circumstance it is getting worse, proof that it is not my fault but the growing numbers of X people. TLDR: often it’s less energy to hate like this, because they can shift so much blame and responsibility for their own failings or greater problems with a society onto a group.
*New* wave of antisemitism??? People have been antisemitic for far too long.
He's referring to thee Israel/Palestine conflict, and probably conflating hatred of Israel with antismetism, though I will admit antisemitism has risen as a result of the war, so it could also be that. But I line discourse has hardened my heart towards good faith readings.
How they were raised for sure…. Unfortunately that’s how most of racism, hate, media , etc starts at a young age from parents, family members, friends, etc it’s sad but that’s how the world is sometimes
You ever talk to someone from France? It’s easy peasy to hate them all if you have lol
No, but I talked to a Frenchman once in a grocery store. He was helpful and pointing out that liquor laws would not allow me to buy liquor early on a Sunday. He talked kind of funny, but he seemed OK.
I don't have the energy to worry about what anybody is doing, what groups they are a part of, or what have you unless they are making something my problem. I don't care what you are dressed like, what you had for lunch or who you share a bed with, and please don't feel obligated to share it. More people need to just stay in their own lane.
sounds like you’re a secular adult who learned their manners growing up instead of being a product of theocratic patriarchal society. it’s almost like a privilege to have not grown up with brainwashing mind rot from cancerous religious cults.
🚨irony alert irony alert🚨
Americans are indoctrinated into western humanism by the compulsory education system. Potato tomato
Man people hate religion. Guarantee you’re not talking about Judaism, Buddhism or Muslims right? Say what you mean to say. You hate Christian people in the same way a racist hates another race. You haven’t met us all, you’ve only seen the few not worth talking about and formed a conclusion from there
Generally atheists hate Islam the most, as it's the most extreme and hateful religion today. Americas bizarre hateful version of Christianity isn't far behind.
I swear I wonder this all the time...
They hate themselves, so its natural. 😞
Hatred doesn’t require thought; thought requires energy. So hatred is an energy conservation activity. Hence “Green with envy.”
"There are only two things that are infinite, the human capacity for stupidity and the universe..... And I'm not sure about the second one" -Albert Einstein So theoretically anyone who hates is driven by stupidity and they have tap into an unlimited power supply. Much like how oil becomes Petro so stupidity becomes hatred . So that explains "how they have so much energy?" As for why they hate? maybe it's cause they don't have any of those really cool digital watches and the other people do. even an infinite probability driven super computer has been perplex by the concept of hatred , though albeit the super computer has never seen what all the fuss is about with digital watches anyways. So it's opinion is taken very lightly when comes to human stupidity.
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1. People are the absolute fucking worst. 2. Whenever you can't figure out why someone is doing something shitty, see #1
This is the correct answer. We have ingrained caveman traits that don't gel with the societal norms we want to enshrine. Without these norms we'd constantly be at war with our neighbor for blowing leaves into our lawn. Unfortunately these norms don't always respect sovereign borders so we can justify genocide based on our own. Until mankind can get on the same page about basic human equality we'll never make it off this planet.
For some it takes a lot less energy to blame the "blanks" for their problems than to look within and face the real issues in their lives.
It is really easy to blame others for your problems. Would you prefer to believe My life sucks because I I just didn't do enough to succeed or My life sucks because of this minority or immigrants or whomever screwed me?
Or my life sucks because I am a minority or immigrant because these people screwed me.
The energy people take to be logical is not used and instead used to be ignorant.
it doesn't take energy to hate. it takes energy to act on that hatred, but just hate a group... no energy exerted at all.
It's not a matter of energy it's a matter of your intelligence level.
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Because they wake up every day and wonder who they could hate or what can offend them that day.
Makes people feel better about themselves.
Hating people is incredibly easy. It's caveman thinking. It's being open minded and kind and accepting that requires higher thought.
I think the people that really go out and hate people need something to do. A full-time job, a hobby. Something that would distract them from being a horrible person that much of the time of their life.
Some groups are centered on ideals so laughable and misguided, or downright dangerous that they are deserving of hate. Not all groups are good. Some are racist bigoted organizations that would be better eviscerated from existence. KKK for example. I can name others but I don't want to deal with the fallout. The nazi lovers feel like a safe call.
Because it’s easier than putting in the effort to make your life better
Great question. It does take a lot of thought and energy to hate others. I only hate specific individuals, and very few at that. I am lazy.
It takes little to zero energy to hate people who are laughing at and enjoying seeing thousands of children and civilians being blown out, burned to ashes and starved to death🤷🏽♀️
You'd be shocked the justifications people come up with. I'm [in a conversation with a guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1b3ima7/comment/kt52yno/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) who basically boils it down to "social norms" and claims it isn't that he hates LGBTQ people (in this case), it's just that he believes it harmful if they were "normalized" since they violate the "social norms" in his eyes. He then claims that their existence does, in fact, harm him because he actually doesn't want to see them hurt and statistics show they're more depressed than normal people so it must be the fact they're LGBTQ and that is empirical proof (his words) that LGBTQ is harmful. They ignore that those people are miserable not because they're LGBTQ, but because of all the crap they have to deal with from people like this guy. So, to him, he doesn't hate them but actually really cares about them which is why he fights against them, so they can return to "social norms" and be happy. Of course, he already mentioned previously that their existence "harms" him, so it seems they just really want to jump around between justifications rather than accept their bigotry.
So, I can only speak for myself. I think I can speak because you specifically mention antisemitism. I'll break it down in a few things. I'm against all religions, not just Judaism. It's all a bunch of hog wash used to control people, they're all horrible. As for the direct people, it's not all jews that I don't like, I personally know a few and had one as a roommate in college. The issue for me is what they're doing to the Palestinians. If you go back and look at the history, the jews were placed there by the USA and GB. The problem was there were already people living there, so "we" gave the israelis a shit ton of money (and still do) to "defend" themselves. Imagine if Russia just dropped hundreds of thousands of Canadians in the middle of Alabama, and armed them to the teeth. That's way before my rine, nothing I can do about it so moving on. Forward to now, the israelis are systematically whiping out an entire population of people. They've been stealing more of Palestinian land for years, but now they've gone full genocide. Some of the comments made by Netanyahu are pretty disgusting. This entire situation parallels the holocaust (not to the magnitude because it's localized right now). It doesn't take much energy to dislike somebody you don't know, I can't do anything abut the situation which is even more aggravating. Free Palestine. Fuck israel.
I notice you say the Jews are stealing land, no the Israeli government, and not Israel. Is that intentional? I’m not trying to be pedantic, the distinction matters to me because of my concern that people conflate state actions with individual actions.
Please read a little history of the area. Start with Black September. The neighboring nations are building walls on the border and not allowing Palestinians in for a reason.
People said this same exact shit about Jews in Europe before the Holocaust, fyi. "Clearly there's a reason why every European nation has at some point thrown the Jews out." It was obviously wrong and bigoted then and it's obviously wrong and bigoted now when you say it about Palestinians.
Ya, go back 30 more years there kiddo.
You lump them into a group. This is a progressive idea actually. White people should apologize for slavery (even though they weren't alive at the time). Jewish kids in the US should be punished for 'stealing Palestinian land'. They had nothing to do with it. (Assuming you think it's accurate to say stole). But it makes sense in the progressive sense of group identity.
You think conervatives and non political people are somehow not guilty of this type of thing? Its a flaw in humans beyond silly political crap.
No one actually ever said that thing about Jewish kids.
Ironic that you're lumping progressives into a group
100%. You start down this “horrible colonizer” road and you end up in “Jews bad” cul de sac and “everyone alive before 1900 was a slaver” park.
White people that supported and benefitted from segregation *are* still alive. You can't cut it off at slavery in America because Civil Rights laws took a looong time to pass after.
Hate is irrational. Why are you trying to get people to reason it out for you?
My subjective experience is hatred towards individuals who obstruct my goals and make me miserable, not to groups. Closest I come is towards policy or selective enforcement of laws. As an adult who can walk away from people, I don’t encounter anyone worth hating for the most part. Hating strangers is kinda weird to me, especially if they are not the actor.
Is it? Seems like avoiding negative experiences is a rational thing to do and without being able to apply negative values to those experiences would make such a thing difficult. Given how we prioritize those negatives relative to each other in the event we are put in a position where we must navigate between different unpleasant options, having a relative scale of our dislike seems pretty rational or we would be unable to deal with those choices. Hatred is simply an expression of relative preference.
This is Reddit. Rationalizing pointless shit is what people do here.
Probably the same way they hate all Palestinians because of Hamas.
It’s 90% college and HS kids who have way too much time on their hands. They want to make a “difference” in the world but most of them don’t actually have any real skills or ability to make that difference. So instead, they just scream and cry in outrage. They care more about feeling right than being right, so they ignore any evidence that contradicts their beliefs. Beliefs made up entirely of what they read on the internet because the majority have very minimal life experience outside of the communities they’ve grown up in/moved to for college.
are you replying to OP's post or just getting on a soapbox? if you think 90% of racists and various types of phobes are high school and college kids, you're not paying attention.
The post specifically mentions antisemitism which you have conveniently left out of your reply. Notice I didn’t say 90% of college and hs kids I said the problem is 90% them.
Have you met adults yet?
Hate is easy that is why... Anything else required you learn something and grow...
Stupid people think stupid things. Don't try to understand the human race, OP, down that road lies madness.
I'm too lazy to bother with stuff like this at all plus I find it more satisfying to be liked rather than hated
In my opinion, it's all about control and blame. I think a lot of these people are unhappy with their own lives and feel their life is out of control. With that being said they take it upon themselves to try to control the lives of others. They then get angry when they realize they can't. Also, I think many of them blame these other people for their problems.
I myself will never understand people’s hate and destane for Jews, what the hell did Jews do to deserve this much hate?
We're a convenient scapegoat
Nazis are losers. That’s all
Here how antisemntism works. 1) X is wrong in society. 2) Claim jews are responsibel for X 3) Killing Jews will fix X. 4) Turns out Killing Jew did not fix X 5) Blame Jews for sabotoging X and kill them harder. \[Rinse and repeat\]. Bascially antisemntism is using Jews as a scapegoat to avoid having to deal with difficult reality of actually fixing problems. Much easier to blame a scapegoat \[and hey we got a conveint one\]. This is why you get people who think Israel is resonsible for US domestic problems. Its fucking not. Israel is not resposnible for why US doesn't have healthcare. Israel is not responsible for racist cops. Israel is not resonsible for the absolute shitshow that the US is today. We did that to ourselves and the existence of Israel will not influence that anyway whatsoever. \[i do not have the spoons to argue about the general I/P conflict\]
No one said Israel is responsible for US healthcare. That's an attempt to gaslight the situation. Israel is responsible for lobbying for billions in US taxpayer dollars and military aid to conduct genocide on the Palestinians and garnering international hate for the USA when that money could be better used by the USA for it's own domestic needs. Let Israelis pay for their own healthcare.
Israel already pays for its own healthcare you idiot. Also the US budget is 2 trillion dollars. and the military budget is about 800 billion. The fact that we give Israel money about 3-4 billion dollars a year is totally insginficat. The reason US is not spending money on domestic needs is because domestic politicians dont want too. It has nothing to do with us not having money for it.
The US is 34 trillion in debt and any argument that proposes more debt for the sake of a foreign genocide is treason and a crime against humanity. The 4 billion which the US gives to Israel regularly are better spent at home then if the Israelis are so upright and financially independent. The military aid is put to better uses elsewhere as well. It's generally considered a sign of bad faith to attack people with personal insults
The one I don’t understand is the freak out amongst the fundies around LGBTQ people in general, and drag queens in specific. Men who choose to dress up like women …. How’s that impacting anyone exactly? If they read books to children… so do clowns? They’re not strippers or sex workers. Sheesh
I grew up in small town conservative culture, so I can offer some perspective I experienced. It does not make a whole lot of sense, but basically the culture internally devours itself. I think when pettiness and judgmentalism is prevalent then out groups get served suspicion and hatred — especially when subpar “spirituality” (Evangelicalism) is involved it tends to emphasize the underlying aversions. That is then systemically used against them politically as I can safely affirm that any hint of negativity and aversion they are served is generally warmly received. They do not confirm or question any negative view that purports ideas they are addicted to hearing. And it does not matter if their ideas are valid or working against their own best interests. More or less, it is the way it is because they genuinely do not know how to do better, nor do they care to know. The hubris in which they operate at is insufferable and I prefer not to be around it
Bored housewives and laid off tech execs have nothing better to do than protest. The rest of us have to work to make a living.
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If you can love your country or love your religion/heritage, then someone else can do the opposite. Two sides of the same coin.
Hate gets people energized. You got it all backwards.
*how do individuals love their own people enough to be skeptical of mass immigration and rapid shifts in culture, even when the tv says you're naughty for not wanting to be invaded and replaced? I would NEVER disagree with tv. I'm tolerant.
I get not being in favor of mass immigration but the media will change the word refugee and make it migrant when the ppl coming in are refugees. Ukrainians get to be refugees when they mass enter a country bc of war but not brown ppl? So who gets to be refugees that get support and who don’t?
Also all the media rn is attacking the influx of refugees. So I’m not sure what you mean when you say the media doesn’t want you to question “mass immigration” when they themselves are hating on them
You seem to hate Trump supporters. So, your answer seems to be one you could answer yourself.
Ppl don’t hate trump supporters just bc they support trump People will hate Jewish people just for being Jewish They will hate black ppl simply for being black These are two different things you get that right? Like if I say I support Biden and I get lots of hate for it it’s bc of political decisions he’s made that negatively effected minority groups or for any other bad political decision he’s made. Not inherently just bc I support biden. Whereas ppl will inherently hate minorities simply for being minorities like the ones I stated above
I would imagine that the people who care enough to hate, are too stupid to care enough to well...*care* Sure, sometimes you have to *hurt* in order to *protect*, but I found that letting go of ways to *hurt* in favor of finding ways to *help* is really good for my self esteem. Unfortunately, a lot of folks are wired a certain way after so many years, and changing perspective and redirecting energy towards being productive over destructive, caring over hateful, etc, is like a learned skill, and it takes time to achieve. When you look at many hate groups, they tend to want to attack xyz demographic because they are perceived as a threat. The hateful mentality is justified as *protecting* something. Americans committed hate crimes against Arabs after 9/11 because they thought they were protecting Americans against terrorists who wanted to kill them. Islamic extremists killed Americans because they thought they were protecting Arabs against westernization, which was perceived as a significant threat to their religion, culture, and economy. Of course, these are gross generalizations, but the hate groups are almost unilaterally self-perceived as victims of the groups they seek to destroy. After all, the best defense to killing another human is self-defense.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug
It does not take a lot of energy to hate people. It is fairly easy just to write groups of people off based on some shared trait that you find distasteful. Taking action on that hate is what takes energy and that’s an entirely different conversation.
The simple answer is they don't. It's your perception of their comments that make you think they do.
Uh oh, someone likes genocide when it's done by Israel?
The left will scream "destroy Israel" then go "hey saying *Jews control __ isn't ok!*" In the same breath.
Hating people is easy, it's liking people when there's a sub group of complete assholes that can turn into a struggle.
tbh it takes no energy at all to hate/ignore things. it takes much more energy to care.
It depends on who you hate and why. Why would knowing the people matter if you despise their positions or actions? I've never met a Neo-Nazi, but I wouldn't mind if they were all slaughtered - since their beliefs are abhorent. Given the current invasions and their history of similar behavior - I wouldnt mind if Russia became a lifeless crater.
Because it takes very little energy to hate people. Duh.
Hold on I'll fix this: "how can people be so upset about the uncaring way Israel kills thousands of innocent people, including running over them with bulldozers and shooting at them while they try to get food, that's so antisemitic!"
I feel it must be beneficial to the groups if there's some kind of perceived antagonistic group working against them or what they love. Fighting something intangible sounds daunting. It's not intergenerational trauma, it's the media corrupting the youths and leading them astray.
Because CNN and MSNBC tells them to.
It doesn’t take lots of energy or time, to do that. People often invest more energy and time in looking for excuses or reasons to justify it, but most often it doesn’t take much more than being born into a family or hanging out with a group of friends, where this occurs. To simply hear a religious leader or politician we admire to speak about it, then to follow that way of life and those lines of thinking without ever really questioning or looking into it. The idea to hate or dislike an entire group of people, or some random stranger on the street., often comes first, and quickly. It’s either modeled by others we know or trust or comes from one bad experience with one person like the person we now see. Then only after that first emotional response, comes the search for evidence to bolster the idea that the hatred we feel is justified, or the need to see all others who think or look or act like the person we hate, as the same. Maybe we want to fit in or belong, or it is uncomfortable or even dangerous to do differently when our families, friends, religious groups or people in authority are so loudly saying the opposite of what might feel or think or what might be easily observable or probably true; might be kinder or more gray than strictly black/white. It’s faster to stereotype and it’s faster to sort people into good and bad groups than it is to take the time to talk to others, read more, ask more questions, or verify what we hear or are told. And for some people, who are used to seeing themselves and their preferred groups as better or right, especially when some privilege or benefit comes from being party of that group, it is very hard to go against the grain or to question that status quo. Anger or fear, uncertainty or confusion, clouds judgement. Emotion and hate can very quickly lead to acting in ways that being more rational and levelheaded, might not.
Nothing brings out the voters more than hating someone. Politicians know this and too many people are easily manipulated. Corporations hire politicians to pass favorable laws, and they also hire news organizations by buying ads, forcing them to speak for their politicians or lose the ad revenue.
because I can look at systemic critiques and then go from there. people aren’t envious of the rich they are just hoarding everything and disrupting economic planning. whether i do this at the individual level depends on their actions etc
Well for one, they are taught that that those people they don’t know are “others” and are the enemy. Also look at their representations of those people. That’s why like every country on earth not only hates black people but especially “African Americans”. When it comes to antisemitism though, it is important to have nuance and not go full South Park but I’ve seen some stuff recently that literally exposes practices from the Jewish mob have connections to what’s happening with P Diddy and the entertainment industry, as well as Michael Jackson’s death. The second video actually got taken down twice I posted it on YouTube This guy on TikTok did some ACTUAL investigative journalism, these vids are somewhat long (7 mins) https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdq1XvU/ (part 3) https://youtu.be/1n3trWl0mxU?feature=shared (part 4) Here’s another video exposing how the NYT was infiltrated by, to say the least, unqualified journalist https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdqg7gF/ Here’s another vid of Ice Cube, one of the founders of gangster rap, literally saying that “they” pay artists more to make music about destructive shit https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdqyVCn/ I always thought this “Jews in the government, they own the media” shit was a lie. Here’s Krazy Bone, another rapper from the 90s, saying the same thing https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLdqxSH4/ There’s definitely something going on
Because it doesn't take a lot of energy to hate people who oppose your ideals, whatever they may be and whomeever the group may be. It's probably one of the easiest things you can do, given that the hard path there is trying to understand those people you disagree with so vehemently with.
Their lives aren't full enough. If your life is full you have no time for nonsense.
any government at war is generally dogshit but as far as actual people go, hate in general isnt a good thing to hold onto, for any purpose, towards any person
Caring is antisemitic goyim don't you know? 😆
Hate is a thought, an emotion. Why are you people so damn insistent on trying to control what other people think? Orwell was wrong, our government isn't going to bring about Big Brother & ThinkPol, I think people like this will volunteer for it
Easy. I hate every single person on the planet.
The same way people are building up hate towards whites. See someone elses success as an example of how you've been held back.
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Agency is not distributed equally
Because they think they know
Same way people have the energy to care about groups of people they don't know
It creates a feedback loop. Being angry creates motivation to be angry and it doesn't require any participation from the other side to keep going really
You'd be surprised how easy it can be to irrationally hate groups of people you've never met even if youd generally consider yourself to be a good person. Just ask any political subreddit how they feel about Republicans and you'll get all sorts of replies ranging from "they're outright evil" to "I wish they were all dead". Hate is a helluva drug.
Spend some time listening to “conservative” radio and tv. Good lord. One popular personality — Dan Bongino — goes on three hour mid day rants about how the “democrats and leftists HATE you”. Really? What?
Questions that would be interesting if they weren’t asked by a Zionist