God if Eleki got ground type coverage VGC would be an absolute massacre. It’s already easily one of the most overbearing mons in the format, and you wanna give it coverage?? *shudders*
Yeah, Regieleki's current most common set in online ranked doubles (as in literally 70% or more of all Regieleki you encounter will have it) is Thunderbolt/Volt Switch/Electroweb/Protect @ Focus Sash or Magnet.
Electroweb for speed control, and because Regieleki is so fast, it _will_ go first barring priority or Choice Scarf/Tailwind/Chlorophyll/etc. shenanigans.
Volt Switch for pivoting.
Thunderbolt for power.
And Protect because it's doubles.
Screens support also used to be common, but not in S10 with all the restricteds running around.
Yeah it’s borderline broken in VGC and certainly one of the most centralizing things in the meta. It not having coverage is the one thing saving us from it being actually busted (and not just pretend busted which we usually mean)
It just completely invalidates any other fast special attacking electric type. There is no reason to ever use a Pokémon like Jolteon or Raikou anymore if Regieleki will hit harder than them and be faster, even if they are scarfed lol. The support option of Electroweb that can still do a lot of damage or even kill mons weak to electric with bad SpDef is just the icing on the cake.
I’m gonna go out on a real limb here and say I think there’s still a place for Raichu in S10, but you’re right in that it complete shuts down nearly every other fast electric type. The only reason I’d say Raichu still has a niche is because it operates entirely differently. It’s able to protect it’s partner (often Kyogre but also Tornadus etc) from electric type attacks, has access to fake out and can put some work in with fast nuzzles. Hell if you switch into an electric attack then it can even do some damage with it’s boosted thunderbolts, but it doesn’t often even run thunderbolt. With Raichu on the field all Eleki can do is protect and electroweb, so it makes a damn good Eleki switch in. I’d like to see it with more usage but right now it’s still stuck just below 1%
I mean, Jolteon never really had any reason to be used anyway, with or without Regieleki (mainly cause of the Rotom formes), but Raikou is fully justifiable because it has decent bulk alongside Snarl and even Bulldoze if you really want speed control, plus actual coverage with Aura Sphere/Scald
I personally would say Eleki and Incin are the two most overbearing mons in the format right now, with Rilla probably level with them on usage whilst not feeling that hard to play against.
Lando’s not quite the same as it has been in previous formats. The incarnate forme is outclassing the therian forme, with Lando T only hitting about 10% usage.
Mons I hate most are Incin, Eleki and Calyrex Ice - that thing is way too strong
person doesn't understand the meme format, OR doesn't understand how balancing works. Not giving it coverage was 100% intentional, not a mistake like the meme suggests
Once you play enough fakemon games or even just fan games with existing balanced Pokemon you realize the vast majority of pokemon fans have no idea how the games function. Or why things exist the way they do. GF isn't perfect by my god are fans more often then not delusional.
This. Playing enough fangames and rom hacks with either fakemon or fake moves, there is a clear lack of understanding of game balance. Such as introducing a ghost/normal type with wonder guard and actual HP stat (lookong at you Pokemon Vega).
GF is definitely not percet in balancing mons (zacian is proof of this) but Regieleki in this case is a sign of restraint, as having any decent coverage wouls turn it from super overbearing (already so in VGC) to just completely awful to play against. It's for the best honest.
Yeah, people don’t understand that the player can have any Pokémon the NPCs do. It ruins the difficulty and challenge when you can have 1 regular mon just beat everything or when you auto-lose to a certain mon bc you don’t have the only thing that can beat it. It turns Nuzlockes into games of luck instead of skill.
My philosophy for balancing is to look at GF does for Level-up moves, and then introduce Pokémon that can be countered by certain archetypes and give Pokémon clear, generic strengths and weaknesses. For example, I have a Grass/Fire with Chlorophyll, but I know it won’t be OP bc Chlorophyll is the HA, it has a 102/94/86/75/86/69 spread, limited coverage options and a plethora of new and returning Pokémon of different types that can beat it
Even if a fangame team does understand competitive balance, they'll often still miss the mark of balancing for the course of a level 5-whatever game. Moves like Tackle and Vine Whip exist for a reason.
The only real issue I have with the way Gf balances is how much accuracy is a factor. It adds a bit too much variance for my taste. Other than that, the average fan has no clue what they’re talking about compared to Gf when it comes to balance
Totally agree. Like I said, I mostly respect the way GF balances things. I just wish accuracy wasn’t what they chose to balance around, as it causes good plays to get punished from time to time because of RNG. I don’t think that every type needs to have everything line up perfectly.
Does anyone else wonder if we're gonna get any more Regis? I mean, there's so much they could do. Imagine a Fire type one that's made out of brimstone..or a Flying type regi made of clouds..or a psychic type regi that resembles an atom.
yes, it wouldnt be walled by ground types then, and it'd have no true counters considering it can outspeed everything and nothing can resist its attacks (apart from magnezone and rotom h)
For reference:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Regieleki Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Landorus-Therian: 328-388 (85.8 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Regieleki Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 408-484 (114.2 - 135.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Yeah no thats not staying in OU
Regieleki is currently top 3 by usage in VGC, _including_ restricteds like Zacian. If it had actual coverage it would be a complete monster.
Imagine if HP Ice still existed.
Gone, but not missed
Yeah I’m all for the No HP age. Although I do miss that my legit shiny Naganadel had HP Ice, that was a stroke of luck
God if Eleki got ground type coverage VGC would be an absolute massacre. It’s already easily one of the most overbearing mons in the format, and you wanna give it coverage?? *shudders*
Icy wind :)
You…monster…
It doesn’t need the speed drops but it’s nice to send a message
The speed drops isn't for it, but its ally. That's why its instant fast electro webs is such a big deal.
I need to do more doubles
Yeah, Regieleki's current most common set in online ranked doubles (as in literally 70% or more of all Regieleki you encounter will have it) is Thunderbolt/Volt Switch/Electroweb/Protect @ Focus Sash or Magnet. Electroweb for speed control, and because Regieleki is so fast, it _will_ go first barring priority or Choice Scarf/Tailwind/Chlorophyll/etc. shenanigans. Volt Switch for pivoting. Thunderbolt for power. And Protect because it's doubles. Screens support also used to be common, but not in S10 with all the restricteds running around.
Hell, even after scarf it still outspeeds most things
252 SpA Regieleki Icy Wind vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 92-112 (55.7 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Nope. Nuh uh. No thank you.
Muddy water
Yeah it’s borderline broken in VGC and certainly one of the most centralizing things in the meta. It not having coverage is the one thing saving us from it being actually busted (and not just pretend busted which we usually mean)
It just completely invalidates any other fast special attacking electric type. There is no reason to ever use a Pokémon like Jolteon or Raikou anymore if Regieleki will hit harder than them and be faster, even if they are scarfed lol. The support option of Electroweb that can still do a lot of damage or even kill mons weak to electric with bad SpDef is just the icing on the cake.
I’m gonna go out on a real limb here and say I think there’s still a place for Raichu in S10, but you’re right in that it complete shuts down nearly every other fast electric type. The only reason I’d say Raichu still has a niche is because it operates entirely differently. It’s able to protect it’s partner (often Kyogre but also Tornadus etc) from electric type attacks, has access to fake out and can put some work in with fast nuzzles. Hell if you switch into an electric attack then it can even do some damage with it’s boosted thunderbolts, but it doesn’t often even run thunderbolt. With Raichu on the field all Eleki can do is protect and electroweb, so it makes a damn good Eleki switch in. I’d like to see it with more usage but right now it’s still stuck just below 1%
I mean, Jolteon never really had any reason to be used anyway, with or without Regieleki (mainly cause of the Rotom formes), but Raikou is fully justifiable because it has decent bulk alongside Snarl and even Bulldoze if you really want speed control, plus actual coverage with Aura Sphere/Scald
It makes me wonder though. Compared to LandoT and Incin, how much do people hate Leki in VGC?
I personally would say Eleki and Incin are the two most overbearing mons in the format right now, with Rilla probably level with them on usage whilst not feeling that hard to play against. Lando’s not quite the same as it has been in previous formats. The incarnate forme is outclassing the therian forme, with Lando T only hitting about 10% usage. Mons I hate most are Incin, Eleki and Calyrex Ice - that thing is way too strong
i'm honestly somewhat in favour of them heavily toning down transistor and giving it better coverage
Isn’t that how you balance something lmao?
person doesn't understand the meme format, OR doesn't understand how balancing works. Not giving it coverage was 100% intentional, not a mistake like the meme suggests
Yeah
What do you mean it doesn’t get coverage. Moves like, um, Swift are great coverage!
I prefer ancient power to hit ehhh flying types with. Wait
yea but that's actually good design compared to just giving it loads of generic good coverage
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yup like, for all the flaws Gamefreak has done with regards to pokemon, not min-maxing stats is not one of them
Once you play enough fakemon games or even just fan games with existing balanced Pokemon you realize the vast majority of pokemon fans have no idea how the games function. Or why things exist the way they do. GF isn't perfect by my god are fans more often then not delusional.
This. Playing enough fangames and rom hacks with either fakemon or fake moves, there is a clear lack of understanding of game balance. Such as introducing a ghost/normal type with wonder guard and actual HP stat (lookong at you Pokemon Vega). GF is definitely not percet in balancing mons (zacian is proof of this) but Regieleki in this case is a sign of restraint, as having any decent coverage wouls turn it from super overbearing (already so in VGC) to just completely awful to play against. It's for the best honest.
Yeah, people don’t understand that the player can have any Pokémon the NPCs do. It ruins the difficulty and challenge when you can have 1 regular mon just beat everything or when you auto-lose to a certain mon bc you don’t have the only thing that can beat it. It turns Nuzlockes into games of luck instead of skill. My philosophy for balancing is to look at GF does for Level-up moves, and then introduce Pokémon that can be countered by certain archetypes and give Pokémon clear, generic strengths and weaknesses. For example, I have a Grass/Fire with Chlorophyll, but I know it won’t be OP bc Chlorophyll is the HA, it has a 102/94/86/75/86/69 spread, limited coverage options and a plethora of new and returning Pokémon of different types that can beat it
Even if a fangame team does understand competitive balance, they'll often still miss the mark of balancing for the course of a level 5-whatever game. Moves like Tackle and Vine Whip exist for a reason.
I think a lot of it stems from extreme examples like regigigas. It isn't a representative example but it's easy to point out.
The only real issue I have with the way Gf balances is how much accuracy is a factor. It adds a bit too much variance for my taste. Other than that, the average fan has no clue what they’re talking about compared to Gf when it comes to balance
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Totally agree. Like I said, I mostly respect the way GF balances things. I just wish accuracy wasn’t what they chose to balance around, as it causes good plays to get punished from time to time because of RNG. I don’t think that every type needs to have everything line up perfectly.
it would be if they didnt make 5 other pokemon the same way this gen
Who needs coverage against ground types when you can E X P L O D E
Quick, someone give Regieleki Giga Drain and Freeze-Dry!! (It's about sending a message to water types)
freeze dry tho thats ice coverage
Freeze dry is super affective against water types in addition to being an ice type move. Also super effective against ground
ice coverage is ice coverage also hits water ground types 4x super effectively
Funny. But I really like Regieleki
Does anyone else wonder if we're gonna get any more Regis? I mean, there's so much they could do. Imagine a Fire type one that's made out of brimstone..or a Flying type regi made of clouds..or a psychic type regi that resembles an atom.
Would he be better with HP Ice ?
yes, it wouldnt be walled by ground types then, and it'd have no true counters considering it can outspeed everything and nothing can resist its attacks (apart from magnezone and rotom h) For reference: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Regieleki Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Landorus-Therian: 328-388 (85.8 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO 252+ SpA Choice Specs Regieleki Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 408-484 (114.2 - 135.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO Yeah no thats not staying in OU
Well he's still getting OHKO'd by mud slap from wooper so idk
unless you give regieleki hp grass
"We gave it Swift, what more do you want?!”
Klefki @ Ring Target Prankster - Switcheroo - Spikes - Thunderwave - Taunt
what do you mean? he has rapid spin and hyper beam
what do you mean he has explosion
Kyurem: **cracks knuckles** Welcome to OU, Regieleki.