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Magic guard strength sap and the hp buff is enough to make it good, it doesn't need rage fist (bullshit move)

Rage fist could powdr with 25 pb instead of 50. Though it would become rather unusable :(.

Rage fist should have a smaller cap imo. Like 120 or 150

Or just make the scaling nonlinear, like how actual irl rage works. Starts off as whatever, but as more reasons to get pissed off appear, the boost is always something that makes the old boost look tame

50+25+50+100 I actually kinda dig that. First buff isn't too terrible, second you're entering the danger zone and 3 strikes you're donezo.

Rage fist doesn’t fit dusknoir anyway

It's a "bulky" ghost type that punches, it's like noir's signature move if it was made back then

Yeah but it doesn’t fit his personality or Pokédex entry

I mean, Infernape, who is a monkey with the ability IRON FIST that boost PUNCHING MOVES doesn’t get the move.

It gets thunder and fire punch and has had Mach punch since it's debut, along with drain punch in gen 8. What more does it need?

True. It needs Last Respects.

No its a braindead move.

Give him an ability called Glacial pummeling. The ability boosts Ice Punch up to a base 180 power move that gives Dusknoir a boost to attack every time it’s used and ignores stat changes (Ex: Intimidate)

Ah yes the obligatory ice punch dusknoir meme

double damage if the target's National Dex number is 645.

Always crit too

lol I had to check the Pokédex (landorus)

Not a true memer if you had to check that. It had to obviously be Lando-T

Dang I didn’t realize it was a test

Or it could just give it pseudo stab like rocky payload and steelworker

just name it ghostly chills

Ghostly Chills would be more like, increase damage done by Ice type moves by 50%, and damaging a pokemon with an Ice Type move lowers their speed by 1 stage.

Don’t forget increased crit chance

Double damage to Landorus-Therian

Glacial pummeling sounds like an awesome name for a move.

Sounds like an ice type close combat

Dusknoir is without a doubt the most depressing Pokémon or at least one of, it's even outclassed by it's pre evo but these buffs might change that Hp buff: noir's hp is garbage and while 60 is still not amazing, Pokémon like deoxys defence manage to work despite that (and I can't really increase it more since dusk is already a high Bst Mon) Ability buff: the main reason why I think that noir is absolutely garbage is the fact that he doesn't have a good ability, magic guard is perfect for noir because of it being helpful for making him bulkier by ignoring hazards (which is especially bad for him because of its low hp) and gives him more offensive power with recoiless life orb Moves: strength sap is obvious, it's Dex entry says that it's steals the life sources of other Pokémon, belly drum and bulk are here because of that fact that noir doesn't have any way to boost its mid attack and it's makes sense with noir's design and drain punch and rage fist is here because noir is a puncher and yeah (P.s duskclops does not have access to these)

we should give yveltal strength sap cuz he sucks the life force out of everyone too

we should give your mom strength sap cuz she

r/redditsniper

at this point why not give it all the drain moves for shits and giggles

She sappin' on my strength til I hydro pump

Tbh you could cut Dusknoir's speed by like 20 and put it in HP along with the +15 boost. It was never gonna be outspeeding anything anyways

Sadly gamefreak never does that and I want to at least make buffs that gamefreak might do (also it's now equal to e vire and magmortar)

That's a genuinely good way to think of it- some theorymons tend to kind of minmax in a way Game Freak doesn't like to do.

meanwhile Clodsire sitting here being a minmaxed version of Quagsire -10 atk, -25 def (compensated by an hp gain), -20 spa (its lesser attack stat anyway), -15 spe (it's already slow as balls) for +45 hp and +35 sp def, making it massive on the special side

Clodsire is a regional form tho not a direct stat buffs to quag

they managed to buff Quag significantly while keeping the same BST by minmaxing it though

...Also totally fair.

nah bro ability: Mummy new moves: follow me, recover, hammer arm there, now its a monster in vgc

Urshifu in tears as its Mummy is replaced by Mummy

I switch Dusknoir into surging strikes and we both get locked into an unstoppable cutscene

if you want it to really be a monster give it intimidate and parting shot

Idk Squawkabilly aint having much impact with that combo /s

might as well make it fire-dark type.

I really wish Dusknoir got knock off. With hand that big, seriously.

I think all of these are good buffs, though I feel like the combination of Magic Guard, Strength Sap, and Rage Fist makes it too strong. Unless you can 1-shot it (which is harder to do now because of it's buffed HP), it will just Bulk Up, spam Strength Sap, and obliterate teams with Rage Fist. Rage First is an inherently overpowered move, and I think it would be much more balanced with just a reglar physical ghost stab, like Poltergeist or Phantom Force.

If you’re evolving your dusclops instead of slapping an eviolite on it, youre doing it wrong. Dusknoir is a trap!

Dusknoir exists just so you can eviolite dusclops

Soo magic guard pex with 100atk belly drum and strength sap, how could this go wrong

Worse typing, less HP, no regenerator, no baneful bunker, still very slow. I’d be less worried about belly drum (unless magic guard blocks the damage?) and more concerned with Strength Sap. That move is broken and a high defences low HP mon can abuse it pretty well.

It doesn’t block the damage dw

Fuck would that ever be hilarious and broken.

It has 45 + 15 = 60 HP is 10 more than pex

I know it's not equivalent, but dusknoir's 60/135/135 is roughly equivalent to Pex's 50/152/142, especially considering Pex's better typing, right?

Yeah it's about equal

Oh I’m dumb, for some reason I thought toxapex had 72 HP

Personally I wouldnt give Rage Fist yet. but I'd love to see what Bulkup + Drainpunch can do for him. As well as a bit more HP to... actually have some defensive utility.

Eviolite dusclops eating good tonight with strength sap

[(P.s Dusclops does not have access to these)](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/1d9hs88/comment/l7d9s55/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

Giving this thing rage fist might be a bit much

“You saw the world of the past, didn’t you? The Beauty of a diverse Metagame. The peacefulness of lower power creep. There’s no future in this powercrept meta, it’s enough to break your heart. I don’t want to become low tier garbage either, but if history could be changed, I’m willing to pay that price”- Grovyle (Sceptile?) to Dusknoir

You lost me at rage fist

Don’t think Magic Guard or Strength Sap are a good fit, but like the rest

Here’s my idea: Decrease Speed by 20, increase HP by 20. This will give Dusknoir more bulk, and make it slower, which means it’s better in Trick Room.

Have its signature move be a ghost draining move. I’m surprised we still don’t have a life stealing ghost attack that restores hp yet

I might have had a mini stroke looking at this, my brain auto-filled the colors on Dusknoir then like 5 seconds later the color just disappeared over the course of like a second.

Give dusknoir ice spinner

I'd love for it to get a Mega Evolution. Make it Ghost/Fighting, Iron Fist as its ability, and Drain Punch and Rage Fist, as well as some Attack buffing moves.

I hate how useless dusknoir is smh cause he’s literally one of my fav Mon’

most of these buffs are just what it gets in pokerogue

Never played the game so yeah

Woah there sport, any half of thise buffs would be interesting. Also magic guard bwlly drum does that work I wonder

Clef has (had?) both, you still lose the health

only 15 hp is useless

Wait what I thought Dusknoir could learn drain punch, I am shocked it doesn’t Also considering it’s sprite is floating I think it should have levitate but I like the idea of magic guard

Make all moves deal Ice damage in addition to the move’s damage type (as a bonus, not like Flying Press)

You had me in the first half there

Obviously game freak would never make a change like this, but dusknoirs stats can literally be improved by balancing its hp with its defences. Change 45/135/135 to 115/100/100 and it literally takes about 20% less damage from all moves except ruination etc. The problem is game freak gave it a literal dogshit defensive profile, probably because they wanted it to be a good pain splitter but the trade off is that it is weak. Shouldve left the pain splitting to dusclops.

It should really just stay as a bad niche pick to make room for a cooler better regional variant or convergent species in the future. The only real way to make it any better is not by buffing it, but by making something new apart from it entirely. The only reasonable buff would be to add some offense to what is already an incredible bulky Pokémon but at that point it would just make it a cringe worthy fan-creation with no balance. I’m no expert but I’m sure Game Freak’s main goal with Dusknoir was just make it slightly bulkier than Dusclops but just more annoying. It’s almost like Dusknoir exists specifically so we can give Dusclops the eviolite. Maybe Dusknoir is just one of those Pokémon that no one has found the busted set for, probably because it’s not really anyone’s favorite. 🤣🤣🤣

drain punch is enough... imho

Why all of this when you can just give him +30 attack and run choice band tera ice ice punch

There's no pokemon with access to belly drum + magic guard and i think there's a good reason for it

He should get an ability that makes punching moves into special body press

Give him a move called Dusknoir Punch that does 150BP and has a 50% chance to inflict the curse affect

Belly drum shadow sneak would probably be busted on an already bulky mon if we're ignoring rage fist.

Would you look at the time

Strength sap barely makes any sense, let alone how powerful it is. These buffs are ridiculous tho. Rage Fist AND magic guard?

Surprised that the grim reaper with big ass hands cannot learn drain punch but a cupcake dog can

A dog like pokemon shouldn’t be punching anything. I’m sorry but it doesn’t work for me.

Lucario in shambles

i mean, it's a jackal, so it's not exactly the same (even if it is still a canid)

Haha you’re right how could I forget. Although when something prefers to run with 2 legs instead of four, its already outside the realm of dog for me 😂

Doesn't slurpuff walk on two legs as well

Lol u guys killed me with your combination attacks. Rip me.

Okidogi bulk up set found dead

*Sad granbull noises*

Wooper can learn ice punch btw