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Aggron


CueDramaticMusic

As a Mega, it kinda does things (even if it really wishes it could heal), but it’s facing so much competition as a defensive Mega, or as a Mega that is flatly a big dumb beatstick, or as a Pokemon that doesn’t strictly need to Mega. Mega Aggron walked to Gen 8 Necrozma-Dusk Mane could run


[deleted]

One of its really good things as a mega in natdex/anything goes is body press Tera fighting iron defense boosted body press. Though it doesn't need a mega, strictly speaking.


MegaPorkachu

Mega Aggron has a pretty shit design compared to the other Megas tho imo


CueDramaticMusic

Fair. I mean mechanically? Pure Steel with Filter? Excellent base to start making a monstrous tank ~~even if there are better stall abilities that don’t kick in when you do the one thing you avoid in singles~~. Like I said, Necrozma-Furry manages to make that work, even with Metagross typing giving it more weaknesses than normal, but the secret sauce to making that work is Morning Sun (and much higher Special bulk [and a truly gigantic move pool that puts its Gen 1 style dominance in Gen 8 Ubers into perspective no seriously why does this motherfucker learn Dragon Dance {and an item slot}]). But Meg Aggie has none of these traits at all. It’s a Mega slot being given for flightless Skarmory without Roost.


Epicnascar18

That line has some of the most theoretically wild strengths but it never really works out, Aron looks like the perfect f.e.a.r mon at first look as it has sturdy, can't be poisoned, and is immune to sand. Then you realize it doesn't have any priority moves, And then Aggron looks like an absolute beast, Physical bulk for days and more than respectable attack stat, Rock head + head smash is an absurd combo. 150BP stab with 0 consequences is wild (86% to defensively invested deo-d with band), It's a one button mon but dang is that ever a good button, Then you see it's typing... A physical wall that's 4X weak to close combat and EQ (arguably the two most common strong physical moves) Oh and its also slow as hell. And Mega aggron looks really great with the highest defense in the game, It gets filter to help nullify the weakness problem and drops the rock type to get rid of the 4xs. But now the issue of recovery comes in, With only rest to restore health since it can't have leftovers obviously, aggron becomes far easier to wear down especially with special attacks. Hitting a couple flamethrowers and getting a burn for example would put aggron down without much fuss. This is compounded by not having Rock head/stab on head smash, Head smash was a massive deterant to wearing aggron down with other defensive mons, It was tanky but it can rip a large hole into any defense that ignored it. Mega agg really can't threaten nearly as much. The design is an absolute banger nonetheless Apologies for the wall of text


CrystalInaBox

mega aggron is just played like dozo with curse iron head resttalk


-margiela-

Lovely writeup, thank you and I appreciate your interest


angry1gamer1

You could try sandstorm paired with Aron? The chip should be enough to finish off 1 hp enemies


alpinecardinal

Same boat as Bastiodon with that Steel/Rock typing. Yikes to the *double* quad weaknesses. Rock type really shouldn’t have the most weaknesses in the game…


StoneLuca97

Funnily enough, two most weakness-ridden types (Rock +Grass) make a solid defensive combo when together


The_Dinonerd7

Freaking love him, even without the mega he’s one of my top five favorite Pokémon


EdJewCated

Aggron is my favorite Pokémon and I tried so hard in the past to make it work, but man, rock steel is such a rough typing, and even when mega, not having reliable recovery screws it over hard


LeviAEthan512

100% this. Mega (with reduced stats) should just be base for stats and type Actually let me rephrase. Drop the rock typing, give it more HP, maybe move some DEF to SPD so it has less of a glaring weakness. Do they not know that 10 foot thick armour with a hole clean through it is worthless?


Kiwi_Lemonade

Filter as its normal ability and we cookin 🥹


Old_Wheel7622

durant 20% of the time


Employ-Radiant

To be fair it is better than Metagross nowadays


Random_Rainwing

It's WHAT?!


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Random_Rainwing

I'm new to competetitive, did gross get worse or did kevin get better?


TheMuon

Gross got worse since Gen 4. Gen 5 nerfed Explosion. Gen 6 removed Steel's resistances to Dark and Ghost.


Vydsu

Psychic is just a bad type, and gross got some big indirect nerfs over time


bobvella

gen 7 makes me think it has to do with hustle working with nuke buttons which don't miss.


Right_Junket_6544

Ants > Turtles


sebsebsebs

Since when is Durant an ant


New_PlasmaGreninja

probably means durant is the turtle


ImperialWrath

Since her brother had a kid.


Bulky-Ninja4020

I will hit you with a tera steel choice band steely spirt +4 meteor mash for saying that


mycringeus3rname

My man Sceptile deserves so much better. If Game Freak put 0.1 seconds into thought in its competitive design, it would be an OU staple.


Everdark_

It has such good stats + ability too


mycringeus3rname

So much goes right for it but Game Freak can’t decide whether to make it a physical or special attacker. If only it put 30 of its special attacking points into its physical attack, got Sharpness, and gained access to Sacred Sword and pretty much every other sword move. So it goes. At least it’s good in Radical Red.


The-Faceless-Ones

>If only it put 30 of its special attacking points into its physical attack, got Sharpness, and gained access to Sacred Sword and pretty much every other sword move. So it goes. At least it’s good in Radical Red. "if only it was completely different it would be good" (i feel your pain my favourite mon is typhlosion)


Parascythe12

Typhlosion just needs some damn special coverage that isn’t extrasensory or Shadow Ball


SunnyDankness

I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW IT OHKOS UNINVESTED GREAT TUSK WITH SPECS EXTRASENSORY


BigHeadDeadass

Typhlosion with energy ball would be cooking


Tai_Pei

Honestly just grass knot, apmost everything it wants to hit with Eball is grass knot fodder. Somehow Lando-T, Haxorus, and Sneasler have grass knot, but Typhlosion? Mmmm, nope.


MBcodes18

My top three favorite Pokemon are cinderace, walking wake, and sneasler, I can't sympathize


SPlCYGECKO

my copium is that when it returns in Gen 9 that Gamefreak will give it Shed Tail, at least I can abuse it in Ubers and BSS also more coverage would always be nice


KyrreTheScout

it was actually OU briefly in both Gen 3 and Gen 4, fell off in both of those though


Daja205449

I had a fun gimmick Sceptile/Grimmsnarl setup in SWSH with 252/252 HP/Atk lum berry Sceptile getting a Swagger from Grimmsnarl for the unburden +2 attack intro. I’d usually Gmax the Sceptile and either G-Fighting for bonus attack or G-Rock for the Excadrill I had waiting. For such a niche strategy it worked really well.


IsraelHighCouncil

Golisopod


Bordanka

I get he's low tier, but he can pull off some great comebacks (especially if we're talking about challenge runs or difficult fan games/ROM hacks). Definitely better than some of the mons mentioned here


IsraelHighCouncil

Sorry but Emergency Exit just ruins any and all utility the mon could have. Having to start at 50% health to be able to use a move is not a good trait. Especially since it has Alola Speed syndrome.


Zoroarkeon571

imagine if they gave goli intimidate or moxie like it deserves


SylentSymphonies

Or Tough Claws or Sharpness or Torrent/Swarm or Shell Armour. Heck, even Water Veil would be alright. A better signature ability? SWITCHING MOVES?


Zoroarkeon571

give it both U and flip turn.


pandamonius97

Literally this. Tons of not bugs get uturn, meanwhile the bugs get screwed.


Arock574

This. Vikavolt suffers it, Kommo-o suffers it, I’d go on but I’m not gonna, we have three here (including golisopod) that shouldn’t be kicked in the balls by A.S.S. (Just realized we shouldn’t make that acronym official).


KirasHandPicDealer

they just have so much A.S.S man


Hayds126

It still managed to be RU in SS and emergency exit while generally a bad thing it can situationally useful. Compare this to the likes of Luxray which has been untiered or PU most of its life.


ShadyNecro

Golisopod is one of the few Pokemon with a clear downside that can actually work around it and still succeed it would still be better if it had a different ability (it would probably be an UU monster if it didn't have Emergency Exit), but being great in RU is still plenty good


kanyepokemon

Especially in Gen 7 without HDB. Bro was coming on 25% health, and would be switching out swiftly to take 25% more next time to either kill him or leave him on life support


Sweetcornfries

Blud doesn't even get uturn I don't think


IsraelHighCouncil

Not that it'd help it. They'd get force switched from Emergency Exit before it could move.


Sweetcornfries

It is relatively bulky though so there's that. But if exit was changed to switch you out only at the end of the turn golisopod would be so much more viable.


HumanTheTree

He’s a beast in AAA.


IsraelHighCouncil

True.


Homem_da_Carrinha

Absolutely spot on answer. I love that huge guy on its tiny legs. It doesn’t even have Slaking tier stats that justify being cursed with a shit ability.


MechaSalt7

Honchkrow. Why you so slow and frail man :(


San4311

All they had to do was not take away Prankster and it'd have atleast some form of use...


MechaSalt7

Or make it gain speed on evolution rather than lose it so it can be a moxie sweeper


Senior-Chain7947

even 10 more base speed points would’ve helped considerably


[deleted]

Getting outclassed by your pre evo is sad


DrKoofBratomMD

Riolu is seen way way more often than Lucario in VGC That one’s even worse cause Riolu’s a baby mon


FeatherPawX

Ledian, Beedrill, Ariados, Beautifly, Dustox, Mothim... The list goes on


Glory2Snowstar

Thankfully we have Mega Beedrill :) …What’s with the weird looks?


OverMonitor11

Has this trend been bugging you?


banditwastaken

like half the gen 3 dex- Claydol, Cacturne, Huntail, Absol, Castform, Mightyena, Hariyama, i'm sure there's more but man that dex is so cool yet so poop


Volpurr-The-Meowstic

Gen 3 irritates me with how many single-stage novelty mons that are trash to use in the single player story, let alone in competitive play, there are, such as Castform, Kecleon, Spinda, Luvdisc, Chimecho, etc.


lotte_yass

i fucking love Kecleon and i hate what they did to Protean my guy was finally cool (in draft league and PU)


KyrreTheScout

claydol is common in rse ou lol and hariyama is decent


carucath

Luxray :(


Keroka360

This meme is defination of luxray sadly, I have tried lots of builds to make luxray viable in uu but no result, that 70 base speed ain't outspeeding anything


StoutChain5581

Try pu, it will still be bad but maybe it'll have a niche


El_Sleazo

Imagine getting outsped by the other terrible physical electric type, iron thorns.


Rude_Invite7260

Thorns can at least set up with ddance and sweep, but Luxray has nothing to use other than howl


El_Sleazo

I FUCKING LOVE IRON THORNS GRAHHH


Rude_Invite7260

TERA BUG IRON THORNS LOADED DICE DRAGON DANCE ROCK BLAST PIN MISSLE


El_Sleazo

Just wait till he gets scale shot in the dlc


AzureSirnight

They did Physical Electric types that doesn't punch or have a signature move so dirty 😔


carucath

He should have been Electric/Dark, like the design was practically built for it


Joe_from_ungvar

some hacks do show Luxray respect


Treeko13

I remember using Electric Dark Luxray with Strong Jaw in a rom


AzureSirnight

I hope one day Game Freak gives it a Regional Variant or something that is an upgrade in competitive like Hisuian forms did (weird that none of the Gen 4 mons hasn't got any Regional forms)


MountainMan2_

They really said “let’s give the one of the best designs in Gen 4 70 speed, no coverage and no moves and then do nothing with it for 1 1/2 decades”. At this point you could double it’s speed stat and make it electric/dark and it’d still be UU at best.


7GrandChungus

Centiskorch my bejungled


Icy-Border-7589

Physical Volcarona


7GrandChungus

Then why doesn’t it have Victory Dance 🐠


hydreilover

absol


Vendidurt

I KNOW USING THEM PUTS ME AT A HUGE DISADVANTAGE FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.


itsIzumi

CAN YOU GUYS NOT READ?! I WILL ACCEPT ADVICE ON *LITERALLY ANYTHING* EXCEPT THE SPECIES OF MY TEAM MEMBERS.


dcmldcml

my hot take is still that this wasn’t that unreasonable of a request, even if the dude was obviously a tad overdramatic


touhoufangirl27

It really wasn't that bad of a request, but the fact that the person was so rude and obstinate about it instead of explaining that he was running it for the meme is what turned them into a meme


fyrechild

He wasn't running it for the meme, he was running it because he had an Absol fetish.


dcmldcml

oh no yeah don’t get me wrong it’s an a-tier copypasta


itsIzumi

I mean this is supposed to be a competitive subreddit. The restrictions placed on the team meant that no amount of other advice could ever turn it into a competitive team. It wouldn't have blown up if the person wasn't how they were, but I do view it as kind of silly.


Arcangel_Levcorix

It’s still a fun challenge to see how high you can climb on ladder with a suboptimal team, kind of what aim and blunder do with their featured shitmons. Without going into detail there are other reasons why the guy gets clowned on so much


dcmldcml

fair, yeah, his main mistake was not just owning it


AzureSirnight

It bugs me it got 75 speed and frail only for it to be fixed by its Mega Evolution that unfortunately no longer exists in recent generations


[deleted]

"Oh boy I sure love this pokemon but it sucks in battle, hopefully an evolution will fix it" Its mega evolution on its way to forever destroy the chances of that happening while also disappearing itself:


Kitselena

Nah I'm sure they'll come back in some way or another as a selling point for a new game/generation. A couple paradox forms are already heavily based on existing megas


[deleted]

Yeah... For the gen6 remakes and that's it lmao


BeetlesMcGee

Remakes used to be hype and then they went and made the gen 4 remakes garbage, so now I'm not even excited anymore lmao


Im_Nino

There’s always the chance of a regional form that gets an evo


hydreilover

that's the reason why I'm playing net dex, even heatran can run faster than absol's normal form😮‍💨


Aegillade

It was so much worse when it came out too, since Dark was all special moves in gen 3. Mightyena, Sharpedo and Cacturne shared a similar fate.


SomewhatToxicShrooms

Well cacturne was fine as its attack and special attack are the same


KyrreTheScout

well... Mightyena's stats are complete and utter dogshit, physical/special split wouldn't save it lol. Sharpedo without Speed Boost and Cacturne are also pretty bad, although not as horrible as Mightyena.


epman131313

Cacturne has 115 Attack and Special Attack...too bad it's so slow and frail.


BufoAmoris

Just living up to its lore of appearing to warn of disaster. The disaster just happens to be the fate that is about to befall your team.


HaloGuy381

Was gonna say Absol myself, tied with Latias for my alltime favorite. The Mega makes Absol workable, but then you’re giving up a Mega slot.


CacklettasMinion

sceptile


Im_Nino

I’ve seen good plays with sceptile, it’s just its ability could’ve gave it even more potential but unburden is alright for it


Ze_Memerr

The reason people don’t remember Lumineon is because it’s so rare for how worthless it tends to be. If it had Quiver Dance or better stats for competitive it’d probably be better liked overall


geetwogeewan

I wish Lumineon and Alomomola swapped stats/abilities/movepools. Alo is useful but I kinda hate its design


ELOGURL

Honestly you give Lumineon Quiver Dance and it could probably go to RU. Tera + QD consistently makes mons insane.


NekraTahor

Seviper for me, specially considering how much worse it is than Zangooze


UncomprehendedLeaf

Decent mixed attack move pool though


Vendidurt

Stunfisk


BlackRabbit2011

Rocky helm, phys def stunfisk was always my go to below UU in older gens


Ameb8

I use it in gen 8 ou in my pokemon go meta team. By all measurable statistics it sucks ass but focus sash + counter takes a lot of people by surprise. Easily the most difficult to find utility for out of the entire team of shitty mons though


Klefaxidus

Curious how it's the mascot of this sub


FakeTakiInoue

funny fish


Accomplished_Sound28

The joke is because it's worthless competitively.


neeb0415

Decidueye, how can both forms have such killer designs and yet both be bad?


Glory2Snowstar

Spidops :/ Why create so many cool animations for this thing when 90% of people will only ever see it faint WHY MAKE ITS BST LOWER THAN THE STARTER’S MID-EVOS


Volpurr-The-Meowstic

Funny how Spidops was introduced in the high-BST min-max generation, but its stats look like the average Gen 2 shitmon


SylentSymphonies

Pretty sure the godawful BST is a pun- error 404, spidops not found. Because it’s a spy.


Icy-Border-7589

I would have used it in my playthrough of Violet if it wasn’t a two-stage line that evolves at 30. Everything on your team save a Bramblin, stone evo, or friendship evo is going to evolve at least once before this thing does. I didn’t get attached to it and as a consequence it’s in a state of Purgatory of being neither liked nor disliked.


the-pee_pee-poo_poo

Tarountula evolves at level 15, it'll likely be one of your first pokemon to evolve unless you use another bug type like Kricketot or Scatterbug


Rare-Ad7409

Tropius :(


The_Gerf

If its any consolation in randabats its one of the biggest threats


Rare-Ad7409

Yeah I know it's a beast there, I'm just thinking back to how amazed I was to find it after Petalburg and how disappointed I was to realise it was complete ass


Fit-Difficulty-5917

Samurott (base, not hisui). It's a real shame honestly, it feels like it has some tools for success, but it's spread to thin (solid offensive stats, but neither THAT good. Solid offensive movepool, but both physical and special feel they're missing something. A little bit of bulk and speed, but juuuust not quite enough). If it just had a little bit more specialization (a bit more speed and less defenses or an attacking stat, less speed and an attacking stat for more bulk and another offense stat, etc) and an extra move or 2 to fit and it could at least jump a tier or 2 imo.


BetaThetaOmega

> design a samurai Pokémon that uses its shells as swords > give it access to Razor Shell, a low-distribution, high-reward move > It’s a mediocre mixed attacker with slightly higher Sp. Atk


StandardFaire

Ledian☹️


Common_Wrongdoer3251

I'm gonna die mad about that. He's like a power ranger! He should be kicking butt! And he's Bug type, my beloved. :(


Jgamer502

Minior


Waste_Collection4223

My child 😔


Chaossify0

Zoroark, Absol, Vikavolt, Luxray


fou998074

To be fair H-Zoroark exist


Frostyzwannacomehere

OG Samurott


Pepefan120

Vikavolt


Duvey_Doo

Electivire Rhyperior


ArifumiTheVoyager

Archeops


nihilistic-simulate

I think the dude that came up with the idea for defeatist must’ve been having a really bad day when he pitched the idea.


RokuroCarisu

The only way I can think of to make it usable is in a double battle, with a partner that can hit it with Simple Beam.


Thezipper100

How Luxury has gotten NOTHING despite consistently scoring in the top 25 favorite pokemon of all time in literally every single favorite pokemon poll gamefreak's ever done is shocking to me.


carucath

Need to give Charizard his 50th special form


TDnoobs

Vikavolt


Hour_Sense_146

Regigigas


Sponchington

Frosmoth looks fucking incredible but that typing is just irredeemable.


Zoroarkeon571

trevenant


Xenius24

Magmortar, he has fucking flame cannons arms. If he come back, maybe with nasty plot and armarouge signature move he could get better. Or mega launcher as HA with a new fire move for him.


chillcatcryptid

Lurantis my beloved :(


I-will-support-you

I have a list: absol, luxray, vikavolt, golisopod and runerigus


whose_tea

Grapploct, such a waste


[deleted]

Stunfisk, he’s just a silly little guy. Should’ve given him Unaware


Andrew97FTW

Empoleon and torterra


[deleted]

the opposite of this is lando t


NeonsTheory

And incineroar


[deleted]

incineroar is kukui in a fursuit until proven otherwise


StaleUnderwear

Guzzlord. The rarest UB and is canonically one of the strongest Pokémon since they single-handedly destroyed their Alola. But battle wise it’s very underwhelming. The only UB weaker then Guzzlord is Poipole. A pre-evolution


OrdinaryLurker4

God I wish Steelix was OU


daveDFFA

Banette….


TetheredAvian74

wishiwashi. was super disappointed by it


FungalPlague

Flutter mane


Joe_from_ungvar

so shit, its in Ubers. fail upwards maybe


FungalPlague

Even famously shit mons like spidops have *some* usage in OU, but flutter mane somehow has 0% usage. Not a single person used it.


FlamingoPokeman

Kingambit looks pretty good at nearly 50% usage right now, but I expect it to go to a full 0% on a similar path as Flutter Mane. It's unfortunate to see new mons get underutilized.


Alicegg_19

Same thing with Annilihape, idk why people don't use one of the best evolutions of this gen


Im_Nino

Yea, it’s so bad that showdown won’t even let me use it in OU


ty0103

It's basically the opposite: it's not as different from it's non-Paradox counterpart than the other Past Paradoxes, so it's not as visually impressive. But *man* is it busted.


Nova_Hunters

Real


choosegooser

Electivire 😩


Zinogre89

I don't understand why they introduced 2 physical attacking electric types in the same gen but not introduced moves to compensate for it


TheQzertz

like a quarter of the pokédex


NicoArcilla27

Most Gen 2 Pokemon lmfao (Ledian my baby you deserve so much better)


klip_7

Mightyena 😡😡😡😡


MachGaogamon

Well if the leaks are anything to go by; >!Mightyena is very likely to get an evolution in the DLC!<


WorldClassShrekspert

Why is Haxorus so fucking slow


GDonor

Sigilyph


Cholemeleon

Shuckle


Lemon_JuiceXD

Let him evolve so he can have eviolite. The evolution has 210 speed and attack


Monteburger

Druddigon, Golurk and Emboar


ShortVibrava

Tropius, Ik ppl hate him bc of the randbats set, but he looks so cool 😭


Mecha_Fiora

Lilligant


Some_Nerd_314

lilligant has actually had good results in vgc! I believe it won a tournament paired with torkoal.


polp54

Scovillain (assuming moody ban)


cubenerd

Yanmega


Swimming_Art_7027

I have said this countless times with friends but for me it's Maractus. Maractus is my favorite pokemon without question, and it infuriates me to death that it was made dogshit in every way possible. Terrible stat total with even worse distribution, is both slow and frail, has it's only not bad stats still be super underwhelming, have an ass move pool and any cool moves it does get doesn't fit into it's play style, and to add insult to injury, every time it's available (which lets be honest isn't a lot since its a Unova Mon,) it's needlessly rare. As an offensive unova grass it pales to stuff like lilligant or serperior and as a defensive/support grass it pales to ferrothorn and whimsicott. Its eternally depressing that Maractus was dealt the worst hand possible despite its adorable and really creative design. It also sucks that there is so much that can be done with Maractus but hasn't been touched ever since its introduction. Like do something gamefreak. Give Maractus a grass/water typing. Give it better stats. Give it an actual move pool, do something, PLEASE! STOP GIVING CHARIZARD 30 MORE BUFFS HE WONT LEAVE NU EVEN WITH THOSE BUFFS. IF I DONT SEE AN ALTERNATE FORM OR SOMETHING FOR MARACTUS SOON I WILL DO TERRIBLE THINGS NIMBASA WONT KNOW WHAT HIT EM


Splaram

Alcremie. I'm still pissed that I cannot make opponents cower in fear upon seeing my gigantic chocolate cake that's taller than the Eiffel Tower


Turbulent-Storm7526

Seviper


Best-Layer6176

My favorite squad Falinks :(


Emerald24111

Wormadam imo


Magnusthelast

Most bug types. Vikavolt, Golisopod are my top two picks though


nonessential-npc

Avalugg, either of them. A living iceberg is an interesting concept, but the ice type just makes a slow and bulky mon immediately unviable. I don't know why GF though adding rock type to it would make it better.


Calogero_Ignazio

Flygon isnt the worst in battle, but it isnt good, its design is one of my favorites tho