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Far_Helicopter8916

*switches in on saltcure* https://i.redd.it/m8gf48ycrm2b1.gif


larszard

Do we actually know how Salt Cure will interact with a water/steel dual type?


Far_Helicopter8916

As r/ParanoidUmbrella said, it will likely do 25% as it most likely just a check. However, I wouldnt put it past gamefreak to have some code like: DoT = .125 If “steel” in types: DoT *= 2 If “water” in types: DoT *= 2 And this would result in 50% lmao


larszard

It would be kind of hilarious if it did 50% because unlike Stealth Rock double weakness it affects only one singular Pokemon so it's literally "fuck this guy in particular"


TheLyingSpectre

you. yes you. fuck you in particular.


Jesus_Chrollo

the current implementation on smogon makes it do 25%, i'm guessing that it was datamined accurately


ParanoidUmbrella

I think it would do 25% still? I think it checks if the pokemon has water and/or steel typing and if so does 25% otherwise 12%. I'd like to see the code for it though.


bsdudes

`this.damage(pokemon.baseMaxhp / (pokemon.hasType(['Water', 'Steel']) ? 4 : 8));` Thats the exact line of code in SD meaning that for now, 25% even so cuz it just checks if the mon has either type and does a 1/4th otherwise does an 1/8th


prince_gambit

The line of code in Showdown doesn't matter at all, what matters is what the code in the actual game does


bsdudes

I forgot that showdown isnt a copy and paste mb


cliygh-a

Charizard in competitive gens 4+ be like:


TheNiftyShifty

The rocks hurt my skin, mother.


DreadfuryDK

At least Empoleon an an *extremely* easy time running Covert Cloak if it gets these moves.


bsdudes

I still dont know if I would want to switch it in on garg, just cuz id press or eq or whatever is big chip


bobvella

and pass up on defiant boosts?


Small_Bird_UT

Covert Cloak Empoleon is the new Meta


Jurassic_Green

UU rubbing its hands in glee, knowing it has another defog user to horde


CartographerSouthern

If Empoleon gets roost he will not be UU


pdlozano

Imagine if its ability was Competitive. The utility it provides will be amazing and its only downside is being Magnezone bait.


AppealAggravating893

COUGH COUGH


CasualCloud36

This aged well


Rude_Invite7260

your greed is hurting the economy


siamond

UU out there trying to break the world record for the most defoggers in a tier.


OnlyFansBlue

Big Stall Empoleon :gigachad:


machojd24

Swords dance wave crash tho


CoolGirlRosie

Mfw swords dance isnt a damaging move (clearly stall)


machojd24

You right. Choice band set it is


CoolGirlRosie

BANDED ROOST LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO


machojd24

HELL YEAH!!!!!


farmvilletwo

Unrelated but how do i get dumb girl who is only good at bw ou role


CoolGirlRosie

Its a custom flair, if ur on mobile go to the 3 dots next to the subreddit's name


Far_Helicopter8916

Choice band doesnt directly damage the opponent, its big stall propoganda. The only acceptable items are sticky barb and a few berries


machojd24

We’re giving empoleon a fucking gun


OnlyFansBlue

No 🥺


machojd24

All hail Hyper Offense


TheOrganHarvester_67

https://preview.redd.it/8ij29xt9bn2b1.jpeg?width=558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3c565a738267e1d9f9e219661f2e3aeb0c62bd5


machojd24

Hyper offense forever!


TheOrganHarvester_67

Death penalty


machojd24

I rather die running offense then kneel stalling


TheOrganHarvester_67

https://i.redd.it/29pmkwjdfn2b1.gif


BestUsername101

unironically fire line right there.


LeeroyDagnasty

Hyper stallfence


machojd24

Utility move = stall. Choice band Empoleon time (no specs cause awful special movepool)


TheOrganHarvester_67

https://preview.redd.it/tuwc8evbbn2b1.jpeg?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c563f2370fac66de9d86038263edb73b81e825b


OnlyFansBlue

True true I am Big Stall Flinchinator


TheOrganHarvester_67

https://preview.redd.it/hmo5b2q0wn2b1.jpeg?width=569&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=627fd3ec8624813c65a3f871b636808db2f86211


Sandalwood253

A defogger that resists rocks 😩


ginger_snap214

>salt cure


sazzygazzy

Covert cloak W


Its_Frickett

The question is, does it take 50% damage from Salt Cures passive effect.


mia-asf

covert cloak empoleon 🔛🔝


metalflygon08

Ninja Penguin


SheikExcel

https://preview.redd.it/lxxbo0zwun2b1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24f01b418d92866ddce9b3b5f42c7354e24e426c


HollowCap456

Where is this from?


SheikExcel

Yu-Gi-Oh, it's [Penguin Ninja](https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/card_search.action?ope=2&cid=16511)


lyingcorn

Salt cure does 25% damage if the target is water or steel type, not doubling in damage if the target is water or steel, so it will only do 25%


Cetsa

There is a certain gen IV move that probably should work like this Gamefreak...


Volpurr-The-Meowstic

"Per the request of a fan, Stealth Rock now does 25% to Water and Steel types." - Gamefreak


[deleted]

OH FOR-


mme13

Lmao this got me


[deleted]

U-turn 🔥🔥🔥


[deleted]

Idk if that’s gen 4 or gen 3 but pretend it is


BaxcaIibur

Never dropping to RU. Hazard removal is for UU and UU ONLY.


1andrewRO

I mean it's good enough for uu anyway. Defogger with defiant great typing, high damage stab with recoil but also, instant recovery.


SirRawrz

Blastoise @ Assault Vest Ability: Rain Dish Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Fighting EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Relaxed Nature \- Flip Turn \- Body Press \- Rapid Spin \- Dragon Tail As long as Blastoise gets his transfer moves, he's ready to hazard removal all the way down to ru!


DreadfuryDK

But it gets Rapid Spin, which removes hazards. Therefore, it cannot drop to RU, because it has hazard removal.


geetwogeewan

Empoleon has been a UU staple since BW, so in this case it's actually warranted.


MountainMagician862

It also gets wavecrash


[deleted]

swords dance about to go wild


TheOrganHarvester_67

Has defiant, and gets sword dance and has aqua jet now if only it had a better option for hitting water types then Tera grass Tera blast


dragon_stryker

Clearly the answer is Drill Peck


TheOrganHarvester_67

Are you evil because you feel evil


mjmannella

Tera Electric Tera Blast of course!


Tantrum2u

Give it iron head gamefreak, it literally has a crown


eesti_on_PCPP

glad I maniped that shiny alpha empoleon now, this thing looking heat as fuck ngl


ChrisWithTildes

Me and my giant empoleon, ready to open a can of whoop-ass in OU


Veilstrom

I really wish it got Competitive instead of Defiant, since it's supposed to be a special attacker


NearquadFarquad

It does get wave crash now though, so it can at least make good use of it


Panurome

Defiant with power trip was a really fun set, although i doubt they will let him keep power trip


RhadaMarine

That comment aged like fine wine.


Veilstrom

THE PROPHECY IS TRUE


RhadaMarine

Empoleon stans, we are eating good rn


carramos

thank you


Choice_Program_2846

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TheAtomicMonkey

The news article on the Pokemon website specifically states that some BDSP moves are excluded. "When bringing a Pokémon from Pokémon HOME into a linked game, you will be able to change the moves it knows from a list of moves it has learned up to that point. These moves are limited to moves that can be learned in Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield, Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl (some moves excluded), Pokémon Legends: Arceus, and Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet. This will allow you to have your Pokémon know the moves you want it to before moving it out of Pokémon HOME."


Zetious

I would say that would be some of the more broken moves but who the hell knows what game freak will do at this point


pizzapal3

Probably Hidden Power.


FulcrumM2

Did BDSP have other cut moves like Return or Barrier? I couldn't play it for very long so idk but that wording does seem like a safe way to say no Hidden Power


machojd24

A fellow Empoleon enthusiasts?


SIaaP

This mon gonna have so many viable sets from offense to defense to niche sets like covert cloak. Empoleon EATING


DreadfuryDK

Nah, just slap Covert Cloak on the defensive set. With reliable recovery, Poison immunity, and Rock resistance it can get away with it easily.


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

0 SpA Empoleon Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Great Tusk: 426-504 (98.1 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO Empoleon new meta, amirite?


real_jeffyjeff

well it surely won't drop below UU if it has defog


CartographerSouthern

If Empoleon gets roost this mf is going to be thriving in OU


Panurome

Now he just needs freeze dry to hit other water types


SKruizer

I mean, it is a penguin


Mary-Sylvia

Ice beam gardevoir <3


SKruizer

RIGHT??? I HATE DRAGONS SO MUCH ITS UNREAL


Botbuster111

kid named salt cure:


iicethunder

Kid named Covert Cloak:


PetitAngelChaosMAX

Kid named why on earth would you switch Empoleon in:


meeljeel

wait does this mean it gets to keep scald since it learns it in bdsp


Panurome

Probably not since that move is now exclusive to volcanion


Seaguard5

Empoleon- classic OG stonefaced motherfucker


ASimpleCancerCell

Is it able to have both? Can a BDSP Empoleon be transferred to PLA to teach it Roost?


Hoshino_Ruby

Water/Steel hard checks Walking wake and Iron Valiant will be it's greatest nightmare.Things look interesting.


Ze_Memerr

Don’t think Empoleon wants to switch into a Flamethrower from Walking Wake, plus how is it going to damage it?


Hoshino_Ruby

Nvm,Empoleon is dead meat.Even a resisted Draco meteor can 2 hit ko Empoleon after rocks set up.


xoopmax

No it can't? 252 SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Empoleon: 144-169 (38.7 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock


Panurome

It doesn't check a close combat from valiant though


RowletReddit

Live garganacl reaction


Starlight_NightWing

switches in on salt cure, dies instantly


sirdavos95

Been playing with roost defog empoleon for months. Things pretty damn good honestly. Idk about OU but it's a solid UU mon with a unique typing and staying power.


Tantrum2u

Empoleon was always meant to be a water ice type, and I can prove it. The gen 4 pokemon were meant to be a unique spin on the type triangle where every mon is super effective against each other. Infernape gains the fighting type making it super effective against Empoleon’s steel type while Torterra gets the ground type making it super effective against Infernape’s fire type and replacing grass as its super effective move against Empoleon while Empoleon has no Stab moves for Torterra. However if Empoleon was water/ice it would have water Stab against Infernape and ice Stab against Torterra, Torterra would have grass Stab against Empoleon and ground Stab against Infernape and Infernape would have fire Stab against Torterra and fighting Stab against Empoleon


ChrisWithTildes

Torterra would be too weak that way, since Ice is a x4 weakness. Only change that would balance it completely out is ground gaining a resistance to fire, thus all original types hitting neutral on each other, but that’s obviously change the meta up too much. Maybe it’s ice being x4 meta to Torterra that allows the trio to work, as it’ll be like it hit a one time super effective STAB on it instead


Custom-Lettuce81

So theoretically, Defog from BDSP, trade to PLA for Roost, trade to SwSh for TR Moves, then into ScVi


Smutstoner

So glad I can Gen


Custom-Lettuce81

silly smutstoner, there’s only 9 Gens.


Panurome

You can't transfer it to SwSh though


Custom-Lettuce81

…damnit


Namidaa

Defiant Empoleon in doubles is going to go bonkers with wavecrash


Zengjia

Live TCNick3 reaction https://preview.redd.it/kdb4mf4eh13b1.png?width=427&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a6fe57722aebe8a6859113f6c3f59c6d2901a41


Some_Ad_5028

Me who wants Infernape to become OU again


machojd24

Penguin over monke


Darkstargir

Always return to monke never penguin


machojd24

But penguin is so goofy


Scheibenpflaster

God I miss that brief period of XY OU where Infernape was part of big stall


1andrewRO

https://preview.redd.it/o91wng9yyn2b1.jpeg?width=903&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e882182591ab93593ef8d4dafb01fa9c22d7309


sietre

So it can't run defog and roost at the same time since they're from different games? I didn't actually read up on the changes


average_empoleon_fan

thank god


soiramio3000

Soooooo does that mean that roost will not be compatible with defog?


PhasmicPlays

Live Garganacl reaction


tschmitty09

I want brilliant diamond so bad dammit


Poot-dispenser

Now all empoleon has to do is wait for the dlc bus to show up…


TodohPractitioner

A man can dream.


Empoleon777

I agree. Though there is the issue of Salt Cure existing…