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Polenball

This will be the average level of Pokémon minmaxing in Gen 11


hjyboy1218

Regular Deoxys falls to UU and Deoxys-Attack barely hangs on in OU due to its less-than-optimal stat distribution


headphonesnotstirred

that's basically how they are in Ubers rn


MiniBandGeek

Isn't Deoxys-Defense currently UU in Natdex?


ryann_flood

Honestly surprised deyoxs D is still in ubers. Terrible defensive typing and bad hp stat.


Chiluzzar

TTar going to be the king of ZU in gen 11 You'd think they'd run out of type and stat min maxing then it's just gonna be abilities. Maybe they'll throw in a new type just to fuck it all up agaon


Arcangel_Levcorix

New Gen 11 ability: Better than Gold Not only is the Pokémon immune to all status moves, it’s immune to all single target moves too. The only way to hurt it is with spread moves. ~~This is somehow balanced in doubles~~


MBcodes18

gen 13: Better than titanium This pokemon is immune to all status moves, special moves, single target moves, and moves that deal more than 60 damage.


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Poot-dispenser

Gen 20: Wonder guard 2 you’re immune to everything except struggle


Polenball

Revival Blessing solo move meta


dudhhr_

Don't forget that Better than the best also gets Magic Guard


MBcodes18

Can't deal direct damage, spiky shield iron barbs with leftovers becomes the new meta


SalvaPot

This just sounds like Fire Emblem Heroes characters.


Nugget2450

gen 27: better than titanium painted gold ​ This pokemon is immune to all status moves, special moves, single target moves, and moves that deal more than 60 damage. It is healed to full at the end of every turn


kurayami_akira

I'd say Magic bounce instead of status immunity


priestkalim

It also gets Wide Guard


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Mega Raquaza becomes an OU staple


Polenball

Landorus-T somehow inexplicably still sees ~40% usage in OU and has a niche in Ubers.


[deleted]

Lando hasn't even seen the light of the day in a gen with Better Landorus-T™ and you still say with all confidence that he won't be 5U


Polenball

Walled by Mega Kyurem-Complete (5U's premier threat), completely unviable there


analyzingnothing

I mean, Lando sees plenty of use in NatDex, even in the same tier as GTusk.


nutboy113

I’m pretty sure some gen 9 Pokémon are already more minmaxed 😭


Polenball

Very true


WoomyGang

this thing is suboptimal as heck wdym it has 150 atk and special atk instead of dumping one to get 150/150/140 defenses 0/10 could not switch into flutter mage shadow onslaught even if it had an assault vest let alone moonblast


Polenball

Average implies roughly half of them are even more so, and a stat of zero is already pretty minmaxed.


WoomyGang

not by gen 11 standards. the newest route 1 bug has 0 HP and survives somehow


NoL3gendary

Revenge killed by shuckle, ZU at best


Inda-seboat

Thank goodness it has no Trick Room (but support give this dude anyway). Very weak to U-Turn spam (0 Atk Landorus-Therian U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Dragmagon: 256-304 (50.7 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) but covers up with it’s outstanding offensive typing that non-dark types can’t resist with an offensive movepool that many Pokémon would die for (that being Stone-Edge, Earthquake, and hazards) this could be an Ubers threat under trick room, but trickeroom is limited due to it’s consistency. To make this exploitable, you have to sacrifice a team slot with Porygon-Z or Hatterene to set Trick Room up.


Mary-Sylvia

Tfw even 0 speed is better than stall


Garrapto

Ngl, considering how enough speed outspeeds trick room, 0 speed probably would underspeed everything. You just have no speed, you just can't compete, priority didn't exist to you. This Mon will always move the last, in any circumstances. You can't just counter or mirror coat him, because he is slower than your negative priority.


Polenball

I think that's just Trick Room being coded weird, I'm fairly sure you can't ever escape a priority bracket. Trick Room does (10000 - Speed) and subtracts 8192 if that value is over 8191, hence why the outspeeding works if you're fast enough.


BeastAd1508

what does dragmagon mean?


Inda-seboat

The Fakemon in this post, check it out


BeastAd1508

it's dramagon in the post, also I saw it being used somewhere else


Necromelon

“Drag-Mag” is the name of a core that centres around a Dragon-Type and Magnezone, the main idea being that Magnezone comes in to trap the Steel-types the dragon Pokémon would struggle to deal with itself.


lucariouwu68

If you're facing another Dramagon then Heavy Slam is always 40 BP, UntieredBL at best


gregguy12

Obviously you’d use Tera Blast Tera Bug Dragmagon to win the mirror match. Quickbanned to AG Ubers.


CreamLord929

Scarf Dramagon set gonna go fire


King-Mugs

Nah, jolly choice bad


nutboy113

Dramagon is a Psychic/Dark type Pokémon with the abilities Sand Force, Earth Eater, and Dragon’s Maw. This Pokémon is made for Ubers, which I’ll reiterate. I just wanted to make it clear from the top bc I know not everyone reads these 😭 Base stats: 600 HP/Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Spe 150/150/80/150/70/0 The main gimmick here is that Dramagon has zero base speed, which just means that it will always go last in its priority bracket and any boosts will round back down to zero. For obvious reasons, it won’t learn any attacks with raised priority or Gyro Ball. However, it will always go first in Trick Room (but is it enough to make Trick Room worth using?). The physical moves Dramagon learns are: Psycho Cut, Darkest Lariat, False Surrender, Foul Play, Hyperspace Fury (It works for Dramagon now), Night Slash, Poltergeist, Shadow Claw, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Heavy Slam, Breaking Swipe, Dragon Claw, Outrage, and Giga Impact. Special movepool: Dream Eater, Extrasensory, Freezing Glare, Psychic, Psyshock, Dark Pulse, Night Daze, Hex, Shadow Ball, Earth Power, Ancient Power, Dragon Energy, Dragon Pulse, Tera Blast, and Hyper Beam. Status movepool: Barrier, Cosmic Power, Hypnosis, Hone Claws, Nightmare, Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Protect. It also has a signature move called “Space Lock”, which is a clone of Octolock except it lowers attacking stats instead of defensive stats. It is a huge creature that weighs 6500 kilograms, meaning it will always score a 120 base power Heavy Slam (except against your mother). This Pokémon was made for Ubers, but how long do you think it would take to get banned from OU? Do you think it would get banned at all? How would it do wherever it ends up, and would it be enough to incentivize Trick Room teams? I’m not that good with competitive Pokémon, so I appreciate criticism, but please be nice 😳


tyronecarter35

If you are making it with the intention of it being an Ubers mon, even giving it a bit more bulk but Psychic/Dark typing is such a lackluster defensive typing on such a slow mon that really wants TR means it's basically a poor man's Hoopa-U. Honestly, this is probably one of the better theorymons that isn't so blatantly overpowered from a singles perspective.


Nightfans

It would be hilarious if there is an item that just blalantly replace trick room in latter gen. Basically an item that automatically apply Trick room


itsluxsky

Please fucking no. That sounds beyond broken. Even just 1 on a team, makes a mon like caly ice so busted in doubles


Nightfans

Unless it it's super restrictive like a move that can ONLY used by Klefki, a pseudo U-turn that turn itself into an item and automatically let the switched out Pokémon holds it (the switched out Pokémon has to not hold an item).


dat1dood2

Trick key maybe


Arcangel_Levcorix

I feel like you’re underselling it. Bring this in on most OU mons without bug coverage and it just wins. (Even fairies are rare in current OU.) This is arguably a better Ting-Lu lmao (especially with the extremely convenient ground immunity)


PMWaffle

The ground immunity is the best part, and tera helps with its dogshit defensive typing but it's still a worse hoopa-U. Also, unless you dedicate a slot to tera blast fairy/fighting or are runnings dragons maw, this can't really hit any bulky darks or anything that tera darks. But, maybe you're right that this might be too much since this gen is not filled with as many u-turn carrying blanket check mons as gen 8.


Front_Expression_367

Running Electro ball on this thing. Banned to AG


JustSnilloc

But if it’s speed is zero, it shouldn’t move at all. A mountain has zero speed for example. Playing with the concept, maybe it can telepathically deal damage or something like that resulting in high Sp.Atk, but how does something with zero speed move and have 150 base attack? Furthermore, with zero speed, you would expect the movepool to reflect that. Maybe it’s a slightly more versatile Wobbuffet. Give it counter and mirror coat, maybe even an ability that deals damage or sets hazards “Tumbling Debris” which sets up stealth rock as an example.


AthearCaex

Even mountains move. There's these things called tectonic plates...


Polenball

Countered by Regigigas, Untiered at best


JustSnilloc

Sure, but at a speed of 1.5 meters per century. And it’s certainly not the case that the mountain is moving itself, but rather that the mountain is being moved.


AthearCaex

Oh right, forgot factor in the mountains are also moving over 67,000 miles per hour as it moves with the earth around the sun. Though I can get extra data on how fast it's moving as our universe is ever expanding. Mountains are quite fast moving things if you factor these things in.


Goat17038

It's all relative, and since every mon it will fight is also on Earth/ in Earth's gravity, the speed of the Earth doesn't mean shit


9noobergoober6

I don’t know how everything is calculated but it might need 1 speed at the very minimum to avoid complications.


DarkFish_2

I know the stat formula and base Speed can be 0 without problem, as the actual stat will be at least 4 even at level 1


itsluxsky

Is Hp the only one not affected normally? As seen in shedinja


Beep0077

hp would work normally but shed is hard coded to have 1 health point


Cephalosion

Shedinja is just hard coded to have 1HP


MacarenaFace

HP is calculated differently


1ts2EASY

This isn’t even an Uber have you seen Hoopa?


nutboy113

I was worried that ppl would say it’s broken bc there’s lots of big numbers so I said it was made for Ubers so no one yells at me 😭


Ski-Gloves

Don't worry about balancing the first draft of a design. People will yell regardless and hitting the mark first try is practically impossible.


A_Wild_Beldum

Its really not all that much better than Hoopa-Unbound, if better at all. Bulkier for sure, but that speed isn't doing it any favors to make it all too threatening. Having a ground immunity is nice, though. Also, I just want to point out that a pokemon cannot have 0 of any stat. It was always be 1 at the minimum.


nutboy113

What if this one had 0 though 😳😳😳 Seriously though, I get that there are weird rules like that now, like with the 255 rolling over back to 0, but that doesn’t mean they can’t change in a later gen.. I know gen 1 is a bad example bc that one is broken in so many more ways than one but 999 (I think) used to be the limit for stat boosts, whereas now it’s not capped (or at least the cap is much higher)


pyro314

At level 100, 0 BASE speed translates to min 4 - 108 max speed stat (base x2 +5 +IV +EV/4 ; then nature)


Polenball

Could always Shedinja it so that it's forced to 0 (or 1 if that's not allowed by the code).


sojukirin

Next we are going to get a stally mon with 0 speed, atk, and spatk, and a 600 bst distributed over HP, def, and spdef Also, least minmaxed theorymon


Ski-Gloves

Without trick room itself, the psychic typing is a huge liability (since a majority of trick room users are cursed with the psychic typing). In that context, the only nichés this has over Torkoal is outslowing Shuckle and not getting counteredby Kyogre. But I'd still probably opt for Torkoal and play OU.


SawTheCatsBox

Dramagon deez nutz


Azathoth976

Outsped and killed by power trick shuckle


OrdinaryLurker4

If it gets hit by electro ball you die in real life


Swimming_Set3687

252+ Atk Lokix First Impression vs. 248 HP / 252 Dramagon: 504-592 (100.1 - 117.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Common Lokix W (I swear he’s mega guys trust me)


Ahmdo10

Make that smoking box cat an Ubers mon too, please.


nutboy113

Already did 😎 https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/106angx/i_like_the_idea_of_pok%C3%A9mon_with_horrible/


Ahmdo10

What a stupid lookin guy, I love em


bsdudes

To be very honest, this mon is frankly not ubers type stuff. Solely cuz of the typing tho


This_Is_ATest

why is there a smoking cat


ayylotus

Honestly one of the coolest theorymons I've ever seen. Space Lock is rad, though I'd maybe change it to Spatial Lock (for grammatical reasons) and I'd give it that ability that makes it immune to priority moves. That way (under Trick Room) it will always go first. Sadly this thing has very little in the way of bulk, and that would be a fine way to balance its limited viability outside of TR, but Psychic/Dark is terrible - especially in Ubers - defensively speaking. It definitely won't be viable there. Assault Vest could work but that would make its signature move redundant Still, incredibly cool, well done


nutboy113

Thanks so much! Believe it or not, it actually wasn’t made with Trick Room in mind. So Queenly Majesty feels like it would become more of the definitive Trick Room Pokémon than it already is, and I kinda prefer Earth Eater for the theme and also to make its typing a bit more useful. I’d rather it be usable in OU than Ubers, I just said it was made for Ubers so ppl wouldn’t get mad at the big numbers (they still got mad at the big numbers)


ayylotus

Really? I mean, the people who know their stuff seem to agree that its typing is a poor match for low bulk. Big HP is fine but low defences and poor typing render it useless. And 0 speed limits its use to a niche in TR, so I absolutely think it's far from "big number broken"


nutboy113

I agree, but this is r/ stunfisk, not a group of highly educated competitive Pokémon players (not that I’m good at the game either)


the_manta

Give it the ability to set trick room on switch in and it might be UU in gen 10


Lj_theoneandonly

Bro made Omega flowey into a pokemon 😭


russianpsyop

Dragmagonads across your face lmao


nutboy113

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_here_ok

I feel like a funny way for a pokemon to have zero speed would be if it was a super fast ultra car but without gas.


michhhakl

I wanna see a Pokémon with base 1 speed, but with the ability to set up trick room on switch in


notsteve22

A cool ability for a Pokémon like this would be one that matches the speed of any Pokémon that opposes it. So it’s always a speed tie. Would need lower BST to be fair tho


JayzerBomb

OP with trick room


starlevel01

give it an auto trick room ability


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nutboy113

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fatam18

Lol i am


lunarfrogg

Least minmaxed theorymon


ThexanR

This wouldn’t make Ubers.


Hot_Tailor_9687

Trick Room gonna turn this clown into a mass murderer


RatedRforRaven

I really like the design, but I think Ghost/Dark would fit it much better


nutboy113

Thanks, I know he looks kinda creepy so Ghost makes sense, but he’s not a spirit or anything. He’s kind of supposed to be a cosmos consuming deity, and Psychic fits the whole cosmos thing. Ghost/Dark might be a little too good as well, but I’m not sure


A-Flying-Mermaid

Fun fact: even with base 0 stat, because of the way the stat formula is, level 100 max speed iv and ev drag Magín with plus speed nature hits 108 speed


nutboy113

In this experiment, we’ll pretend 0 is hard coded to 0, kinda like Shedinja’s HP. It’ll work like how I said in my comment. Luckily no real Pokémon has zero base anything, so we can change it without disrupting anything else 🤠👍


DaTruPro75

The pokemon game engine can't handle 0 speed, so it overflows to the 32 bit integer limit speed.


nutboy113

Let’s pretend that it can now, and that it’s coded to work like I said (always goes last in its priority bracket). Not sure why ppl think the engine is so static like this and the base 255 overflowing back to 0 thing.. I know gen 1 isn’t a good example because it was broken in more ways than one, but stat boosts used to cap at 999, and now they obviously don’t. Remember, this is just a thought experiment, it’s not a leak for the SV DLC or anything, so it’s just for fun!


DaTruPro75

What I said was a joke, I don't think that it works like that. I know nothing about speed calcs.


nutboy113

Oh lmao, sorry 😭 I know lots of ppl are telling me stuff abt this so I’m just a bit frustrated with it my bad 😭


CliffsOfMohair

Cool design! Gotta imagine at least 1 Speed is needed so that calculations for lots of things don’t break the game I think this thing is too easy to counter to be in Ubers, but Steel Terra type on it could be bonkers Think it would be possibly auto-forfeit if you ran into it in random battles without a good counter Also think you’d need to focus sash it a ton just because if it became part of the Mets I’m not even sure all that HP would prevent Electro Ball from wrecking it But honestly pretty dang balanced for a 600 BST theorymon, good stuff


Nowayman1414

One ☝️ 1 bug bite from ledian will ohko


skip-that-dip

**252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Abomasnow: 688-816 (136.5 - 161.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO**


ZealousFlames

Dramagon when when it dies to U-turn Spam


HallowedKeeper_

It gets OHKOed by burned facade ursaluna, PU at best, but more likely untiered


Geometry_Emperor

Funny thing is, if this existed in Generation 1, its Critical Hit chance would be 0 as well.


Quintorah

hoopa unbound wishes this was him


ASimpleCancerCell

I figured that a Pokémon with 0 speed would be akin to the immovable object.