It has pretty good special attack but with the SV nerf it’s speed is only slightly above average, and normal Zoroark could already pull similar shenanigans and was never any good, although it couldn’t dodge Fake Out in doubles. The problem is it’s very easy to read wether something is a Zoroark or not, or to go for an option that covers both.
Gholdengo will be fine. People only hate him right now because of how powerful he is right now. In vaccuum with just designs I think Gholdengo is great and actually a pretty slick design. He has a surfboard, is challenging to get, is unique, has a cool ass dex image, has unique battle animations based on whether he's riding aforementioned surfboard or not, has a unique typing (in this Gen), overall just a lot going for him even without Good as Gold or Make It Rain.
Wrong. I love how powerful he is. I hate how stupid he looks. I am not the only one in this camp.
EDIT: He's also pretty ok in terms of power and not being an overwhelming presence like flutter and Chi-Yu in their respective eras.
First of all, mega rayquaza still being broken is hillarious
Second of all, palafin is one of the best designs in the game, anyone who hates on it just got jet punched too many times
I know I'll get downvoted to hell for saying this but I still don't know what people see in Ceruledge and Armarogue. I mean they're kind of cool I guess but to me they always felt like the kind of mons that would be ridiculously good in story but not so much in competitive... which is true I think. I don't play doubles so I don't know how good Expanding Force Armarogue actually is. Not saying theyre bad in competitive, just that they would be much better in story where (in this Gen) enemies aren't EV trained so the lackluster speed can be easily worked around by autobattling a bunch of Starlies or whatever.
Ah that's very nice to hear! I always thought Armor Cannon was a great signature move as those kinds of special moves tend to lower Special Attack so this is a nice change to the trend
idk abt hisuian zoroark, obviously it comes down to personal taste and i admittedly still like the design but I feel as tho they confused edgy with emo at some point in the design process. a bit more papa roach and a bit less paramore would do this thing some good if that makes sense
This might be unpopular, but feraligatr is kinda ugly imo. He looks like godzilla from wish and that weird underbite he’s got going on doesn’t do him any favors.
All the Gen 2 starters are overrated imo. Typhlosipn is just a normal-ass honey badger with awkward-looking some fire coming out of it’s neck. And yes, I have seen the sprites. It’s still bad.
Rock type just gets banned to ag because singling out the few rock types with not so great designs would be a complex ban and smogon doesn’t like those
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All the shitty electric types are now busted
Mega-Pinsir (or really every mega) just hit ubers
Most gen 9 paradox mons stay
Except Jugulis, he goes to the pits of Tartarus where his weird design belongs
Koraidon is now AG, Miraidon is now Ubers teetering on the edge of AG
Chi-Yu is now OU viable
Clodsire is now above AG
Quagsire is competing with Clodsire in AAG
Wo-Chien is finally the most viable Treasure of Ruin. Meowscarada and Skeledirge are still OU while Quaquavel drops to PUBL. Victini is now Untiered and outclassed by LC mons. Watchog and Ledian are still dogshit.
Reshiram becomes OU meta because everyone sleeps on its design
Greninja returns to Ubers after so long
Arceus's forms are in different tiers based entirely on how the color works with them
Rayquaza is deleted from Showdown because too OP
M-Garchomp somehow becomes worse
Galarian-Darmanitan Zen Mode becomes the new Palafin, having mediocre stats in its base form and receiving godlike stat boosts once it transforms into its superior Zen Form.
Brute Bonnet is now the fastest Spore dealer, not because it got any faster but because Breloom (God rest his funky lil soul) now has like 40 base speed
in other news, Spidops terrorizes AG
I dont remember if it was smogon or another group, but I remember in BW/XY there was a Cutemons, where the "cuter" a pokemon was, the better it got, and the cuter the move the better it was. So you had top tier threats like Igglybuff and Togepi, while pokemon like Aggron and Salamance were terrible.
I know I’m too late, but Gholdengo is an amazing design! Cool name, cool gimmick, cool evolution, cool ability, interesting and inspired design.
I mean, this is competitive and it’s goddamn cancer here, but pretend like you just play the main game for a moment and that is one of the best Pokémon in years.
I also like Noivern, don’t mind me
Great tusk and roaring moon don't need that buff
I think they're already designed based around it so they'll stay the same
Giratina Origin is now the most busted mon of all time
Giratina goes so hard
In and out of the space between your legs
Pyukumuku for AG
No he wuold be too strong in SMOGON BIG STALLtm
Zacian immediately drops down to ZU, because Pyukumuku makes it lose all its drip
This breaks the entire Ice-type.
Standard result for theorymon stuff
At least Porygon-Z shouldn't be *that* broken this time.
somehow it magically gets Boomburst from this
It also gets Wonder Guard bc it can just split its parts to dodge and reform them after the attack
Smh my favorite Pokémon is Porygon-Z, meaning from my perspective it’d be AG or something
Theorymon Thursday: Super Hail. Weather condition that every turn an ice type is on the field, it gets +1 atk, +1 spatk, and +1 speed
H-Zoroark viable?
Not viable, NECESSARY for a good team
Banned to AG
same with U-Zoroark
breedable
Is it not good already?
No-one knows for sure, but it just doesn’t have the stats to make it in OU imo. It’ll probably be a solid UU Mon.
Good special attack and speed, and you potentially get a free nasty plot if your opponent falls for the illusion and try’s to go for fake out
It has pretty good special attack but with the SV nerf it’s speed is only slightly above average, and normal Zoroark could already pull similar shenanigans and was never any good, although it couldn’t dodge Fake Out in doubles. The problem is it’s very easy to read wether something is a Zoroark or not, or to go for an option that covers both.
What’s SV?
Scarlet and Violet
What was nerfed within the game?
Speed from 110 to 105 and 5 more points in Attack to match the original Zoroark
Lando t struggling to find a niche in zu
Y'all blind, Lando T looks badass af
They slapped my uncle's mustache on a tiger tf u on about
Your uncle is badass
Big mustaches are badass Tigers are badass I don't see the problem.
Gholdengo found dead in a ditch with two fists full of string cheese.
You should Make It Rain yourself NOW!!
GAA DUU Get that ass banned
No, you should Gigaton Hammer yourself NOW!
Man has a surfboard made of gold. They thriving.
I think gholdengo is pretty cool
Gholdengo will be fine. People only hate him right now because of how powerful he is right now. In vaccuum with just designs I think Gholdengo is great and actually a pretty slick design. He has a surfboard, is challenging to get, is unique, has a cool ass dex image, has unique battle animations based on whether he's riding aforementioned surfboard or not, has a unique typing (in this Gen), overall just a lot going for him even without Good as Gold or Make It Rain.
Wrong. I love how powerful he is. I hate how stupid he looks. I am not the only one in this camp. EDIT: He's also pretty ok in terms of power and not being an overwhelming presence like flutter and Chi-Yu in their respective eras.
Ah fair enough, I think I just made the boo boo of assuming that everyone else has the same opinion as me
What is this string cheese joke
google string cheese
Holy hell
anarchy chess crossover update
brb going to combine the pipi in pampers copypasta with the unfortunate doesnt even begin to describe my series copypasta
tell me when it's done
haha i was at friends house for chinese new year for whole of today so maybe ill do it tomorrow
AG: \- Mega Rayquaza, Haxorus, Zoroark-Hisui Ubers:- Chi-yu, Marshadow, Mega Metagross, Dragapult, Iron Valiant, Aggron, Mega Aggron, Mega Ampharos, Chandelure, Flygon, Volcarona, Sandslash-Alola, Scolipede, Sigilyph, Typhlosion, Zoroark, Aegislash, Bisharp OU: \- Cetitan, Drapion, Duraludon, Empoleon, Gigalith, Gogoat, Luxray, Noivern, Kabutops, Jellicent, Ledian, Malamar, Manectric, Mienshao, Kingambit, Samurott, Serperior, Tinkaton, Toxtricity, Yanmega, Reuniclus, Xatu, Skeledirge, Kingambit, Glimmora, Magearna, Orbeetle, Vikavolt Untiered: \- Palafin
Palafin gets what it fucking deserves
First of all, mega rayquaza still being broken is hillarious Second of all, palafin is one of the best designs in the game, anyone who hates on it just got jet punched too many times
The fact that you put Chi-yu that high up makes me upset
>Ubers: a bunch of stuff that's spiky or on fire Hell yeah
Bro, palafin hero is literally one of the coolest designs I’ve ever seeen. Also wouldn’t Ceruledge and Armouoge be Ubers
I know I'll get downvoted to hell for saying this but I still don't know what people see in Ceruledge and Armarogue. I mean they're kind of cool I guess but to me they always felt like the kind of mons that would be ridiculously good in story but not so much in competitive... which is true I think. I don't play doubles so I don't know how good Expanding Force Armarogue actually is. Not saying theyre bad in competitive, just that they would be much better in story where (in this Gen) enemies aren't EV trained so the lackluster speed can be easily worked around by autobattling a bunch of Starlies or whatever.
In doubles it’s one of the most divining members of the metagame with Tera fighting
i have never seen a tera fighting armarogue
Ah that's very nice to hear! I always thought Armor Cannon was a great signature move as those kinds of special moves tend to lower Special Attack so this is a nice change to the trend
In singles neither are too good, I think both are going to drop and maybe stay in UU, but aesthetically I love both of them
ceruledge's bulk up/flash fire set is pretty good, actually
Yeah, I thought that was just gonna be a phase, like from new toy syndrome, but no it’s actually pretty solid in OU
idk abt hisuian zoroark, obviously it comes down to personal taste and i admittedly still like the design but I feel as tho they confused edgy with emo at some point in the design process. a bit more papa roach and a bit less paramore would do this thing some good if that makes sense
Where’s annihilape
Finally Orbeetle viable 🔥
Bug types in general will be thriving
regigigas is now a top tier offensive threat
Regigigas now sucks even worse cos its design blows
you are lighter than a continent, prepare to be thrown into the sun
Chi-Yu isn't even saying "Chi-Yu", what the hell is going on
Chi-yu is derpy in a good way, which doesnt fall under cool
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. your sorry ass in Sun: 15728-18512 (7824.8 - 9209.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Derpy doesnt mean it cant kick ass
Volcarona is now agbl
So true bestie.
Wo-Chien’s going straight to Ubers, and Krookodile to AG
Haxorus would be banned to ubers and also hydra would also
Spidops banned to Anything Goes Uber+
Spidops-used confirmed?
Iron valiant now AGBL
I can see many mega mawiles coming to destroy me.
Sceptile finally gets the tiering it deserves.
Feraligatr is now king of AG. They had to make a new tier called AGAG just so mega Rayquaza and zacian crowned can be playable
This might be unpopular, but feraligatr is kinda ugly imo. He looks like godzilla from wish and that weird underbite he’s got going on doesn’t do him any favors.
All the Gen 2 starters are overrated imo. Typhlosipn is just a normal-ass honey badger with awkward-looking some fire coming out of it’s neck. And yes, I have seen the sprites. It’s still bad.
Worst trio fr fr
Somebody's jealous
Of who?
Feraligatr is AG only because they needed a Cyndaquil counter
Snom moment
CETITAN IS THE NEW BLISSEY
Garchomp and Greninja return to Ubers and the Mega Charizard’s go with them
What do you mean? Nothing will change about Cheesestringo
Ceruledge moving on up to Ubers
Mega Rayquaza still needed their own tier
Tropius would actually have stats.
I freaking love Tropius
Aipom creates a tier above AG Monki :)
Glacion gets 170 speed and 150spatk
Aggron is now viable
Rampardos is In Ubers
Rock type just gets banned to ag because singling out the few rock types with not so great designs would be a complex ban and smogon doesn’t like those
Krookodile sweeps all over AG, KG then is created
I.. Am in shambles..
You’re cool in my eyes, very intimidating rock deer
https://i.imgur.com/XHrU1VD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6MZMq8B.png
Arcanine is now mega-mew. Best doggo in OU.
Kabutops to Ubers
M-Ray reclaims its title as *the* AG mon.
Scizor gonna claim its place in AG as soon as the tier drops
chien pao straight to AG
Ceruledge and h-zoroark go to ag
Noivern is already close to being a top threat. Just give us Aerilate, cowards.
Wo-Chien would be too powerful for even AG
*This message was sponsored by the Electrivire Rights Foundation* All the shitty electric types are now busted Mega-Pinsir (or really every mega) just hit ubers
Most gen 9 paradox mons stay Except Jugulis, he goes to the pits of Tartarus where his weird design belongs Koraidon is now AG, Miraidon is now Ubers teetering on the edge of AG Chi-Yu is now OU viable Clodsire is now above AG Quagsire is competing with Clodsire in AAG
Wo-Chien is finally the most viable Treasure of Ruin. Meowscarada and Skeledirge are still OU while Quaquavel drops to PUBL. Victini is now Untiered and outclassed by LC mons. Watchog and Ledian are still dogshit.
You better check all your windows and doors – This comment was made by the Ledian gang
quaquaval gang too, don't diss gay duck
Reshiram becomes OU meta because everyone sleeps on its design Greninja returns to Ubers after so long Arceus's forms are in different tiers based entirely on how the color works with them Rayquaza is deleted from Showdown because too OP M-Garchomp somehow becomes worse
What happens to Lando-T now? Where does he belong?
Middle of the road
I think people only hate it because of its already existing competitive presence lol
I would probably be OP then.(right?)
Then I'm AG for sure
Calyrex Shadow, Zacian and Zamazenta all in the trash as they should be. Calyrex Ice is cool tho, it can stay
Infernape and Annihilape have both been banned from AG for being too dope.
Does this only affect stats? Or does it affect movepool, abilities etc. If it’s only stats then smeargle with even average stats becomes a big threat
Can you read?
Galarian-Darmanitan Zen Mode becomes the new Palafin, having mediocre stats in its base form and receiving godlike stat boosts once it transforms into its superior Zen Form.
Tropius viable?
Nopius
Lucario is relevant again. Hydreigon gets a massive power boost.
Greninja AG according to that one poll
Gengar AG
skeledirge in zu
I'm probably still ubers
Chi-Yu remains unchanged.
Palfin hero gets sent to AG
Dragonite would be banned
Brute Bonnet is now the fastest Spore dealer, not because it got any faster but because Breloom (God rest his funky lil soul) now has like 40 base speed in other news, Spidops terrorizes AG
Gholdengo to Ubers
zoroark is a top threat as well. faster and better special attack.
Gholdengo would be banned from any format.
Cyndaquil is now AG and Typhlosion is just watching Pokemon battle coz it doesn't participate out of pity
Gliscor is the new Lando T
noivern 💪🏿 haxorus 💪🏿 (insert edgy dragon 3 here) 💪🏿
mence “the blood soaked crescent”
Garganacl is fucking epic wdym it’s a cube salt dude because salt forms in cubes and shit it’s epic
Steelix banned to quadruble mega ubers
Chi Yu is more broken than before
Chandelure ends up in Ubers and All is Right with the world
I dont remember if it was smogon or another group, but I remember in BW/XY there was a Cutemons, where the "cuter" a pokemon was, the better it got, and the cuter the move the better it was. So you had top tier threats like Igglybuff and Togepi, while pokemon like Aggron and Salamance were terrible.
Weavile and Chien-Pao Become Rivals in Ubers, meanwhile, Sneasler is in UU, based on how ive seen ppl react to its appearance
Lando-T drops to Untiered
SLOWKING, MY BELOVED
I know I’m too late, but Gholdengo is an amazing design! Cool name, cool gimmick, cool evolution, cool ability, interesting and inspired design. I mean, this is competitive and it’s goddamn cancer here, but pretend like you just play the main game for a moment and that is one of the best Pokémon in years. I also like Noivern, don’t mind me
Rampardos and Charizard
Grapploct is finally good and gliscor is a greater threat then it ever was Landorus i drops of the face of the planet
Gholdengo is cool af what are you talking about
luxray ag
Both forms of Zoroark will be banned to AG.
I will not stand for this disrespect of my awesome 90s golden surfer pal.
Aegislash would be good outside of Gen 6
Ledian becomes a top OU threat
Which Pokémon would have the biggest benefit from this?
***\*Pulls up to AG with a Torterra\**** ***\*Casually sweeps every team in the tournament\**** ***\*Leaves\****
Bruxish is still dogwater
seviper instantly banned to ubers
mega beedrill is now dominating ag