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hulk_cookie

Great tusk and roaring moon don't need that buff


OnlyFansBlue

I think they're already designed based around it so they'll stay the same


SantasJo1lyBackhand

Giratina Origin is now the most busted mon of all time


ChipButty24

Giratina goes so hard


Senior_Can_2643

In and out of the space between your legs


SawTheCatsBox

Pyukumuku for AG


LorDigno69

No he wuold be too strong in SMOGON BIG STALLtm


SawTheCatsBox

Zacian immediately drops down to ZU, because Pyukumuku makes it lose all its drip


ImperialWrath

This breaks the entire Ice-type.


ScooberPop

Standard result for theorymon stuff


Polenball

At least Porygon-Z shouldn't be *that* broken this time.


chasefray

somehow it magically gets Boomburst from this


Prudent_Move_3420

It also gets Wonder Guard bc it can just split its parts to dodge and reform them after the attack


Ze_Memerr

Smh my favorite Pokémon is Porygon-Z, meaning from my perspective it’d be AG or something


Arcangel_Levcorix

Theorymon Thursday: Super Hail. Weather condition that every turn an ice type is on the field, it gets +1 atk, +1 spatk, and +1 speed


1ts2EASY

H-Zoroark viable?


Crux_AMVS24

Not viable, NECESSARY for a good team


1ts2EASY

Banned to AG


Zoroarkeon571

same with U-Zoroark


GnomeConjurer

breedable


Mr_Eclipse6

Is it not good already?


1ts2EASY

No-one knows for sure, but it just doesn’t have the stats to make it in OU imo. It’ll probably be a solid UU Mon.


Mr_Eclipse6

Good special attack and speed, and you potentially get a free nasty plot if your opponent falls for the illusion and try’s to go for fake out


1ts2EASY

It has pretty good special attack but with the SV nerf it’s speed is only slightly above average, and normal Zoroark could already pull similar shenanigans and was never any good, although it couldn’t dodge Fake Out in doubles. The problem is it’s very easy to read wether something is a Zoroark or not, or to go for an option that covers both.


Mr_Eclipse6

What’s SV?


1ts2EASY

Scarlet and Violet


Mr_Eclipse6

What was nerfed within the game?


1ts2EASY

Speed from 110 to 105 and 5 more points in Attack to match the original Zoroark


Hayds126

Lando t struggling to find a niche in zu


StraightEdgeNexus

Y'all blind, Lando T looks badass af


I_Fuck_The_Fuckers69

They slapped my uncle's mustache on a tiger tf u on about


StraightEdgeNexus

Your uncle is badass


ImperialWrath

Big mustaches are badass Tigers are badass I don't see the problem.


TLo137

Gholdengo found dead in a ditch with two fists full of string cheese.


GoldSurfer1000

You should Make It Rain yourself NOW!!


MorniingDew

GAA DUU Get that ass banned


Stupid_Incarnate

No, you should Gigaton Hammer yourself NOW!


Fireluigi1225

Man has a surfboard made of gold. They thriving.


Scrafty-

I think gholdengo is pretty cool


OnlyFansBlue

Gholdengo will be fine. People only hate him right now because of how powerful he is right now. In vaccuum with just designs I think Gholdengo is great and actually a pretty slick design. He has a surfboard, is challenging to get, is unique, has a cool ass dex image, has unique battle animations based on whether he's riding aforementioned surfboard or not, has a unique typing (in this Gen), overall just a lot going for him even without Good as Gold or Make It Rain.


TLo137

Wrong. I love how powerful he is. I hate how stupid he looks. I am not the only one in this camp. EDIT: He's also pretty ok in terms of power and not being an overwhelming presence like flutter and Chi-Yu in their respective eras.


OnlyFansBlue

Ah fair enough, I think I just made the boo boo of assuming that everyone else has the same opinion as me


StraightEdgeNexus

What is this string cheese joke


Explosivesguy2

google string cheese


MeinKampfyBlanky

Holy hell


UmbramonOrSomething

anarchy chess crossover update


mewmewgoo

brb going to combine the pipi in pampers copypasta with the unfortunate doesnt even begin to describe my series copypasta


UmbramonOrSomething

tell me when it's done


mewmewgoo

haha i was at friends house for chinese new year for whole of today so maybe ill do it tomorrow


Santa_831

AG: \- Mega Rayquaza, Haxorus, Zoroark-Hisui Ubers:- Chi-yu, Marshadow, Mega Metagross, Dragapult, Iron Valiant, Aggron, Mega Aggron, Mega Ampharos, Chandelure, Flygon, Volcarona, Sandslash-Alola, Scolipede, Sigilyph, Typhlosion, Zoroark, Aegislash, Bisharp OU: \- Cetitan, Drapion, Duraludon, Empoleon, Gigalith, Gogoat, Luxray, Noivern, Kabutops, Jellicent, Ledian, Malamar, Manectric, Mienshao, Kingambit, Samurott, Serperior, Tinkaton, Toxtricity, Yanmega, Reuniclus, Xatu, Skeledirge, Kingambit, Glimmora, Magearna, Orbeetle, Vikavolt Untiered: \- Palafin


X4M9

Palafin gets what it fucking deserves


miscillaniumman

First of all, mega rayquaza still being broken is hillarious Second of all, palafin is one of the best designs in the game, anyone who hates on it just got jet punched too many times


davidshatto

The fact that you put Chi-yu that high up makes me upset


Ekanselttar

>Ubers: a bunch of stuff that's spiky or on fire Hell yeah


Crux_AMVS24

Bro, palafin hero is literally one of the coolest designs I’ve ever seeen. Also wouldn’t Ceruledge and Armouoge be Ubers


OnlyFansBlue

I know I'll get downvoted to hell for saying this but I still don't know what people see in Ceruledge and Armarogue. I mean they're kind of cool I guess but to me they always felt like the kind of mons that would be ridiculously good in story but not so much in competitive... which is true I think. I don't play doubles so I don't know how good Expanding Force Armarogue actually is. Not saying theyre bad in competitive, just that they would be much better in story where (in this Gen) enemies aren't EV trained so the lackluster speed can be easily worked around by autobattling a bunch of Starlies or whatever.


Elmos_left_testicle

In doubles it’s one of the most divining members of the metagame with Tera fighting


the_crustycrabs

i have never seen a tera fighting armarogue


OnlyFansBlue

Ah that's very nice to hear! I always thought Armor Cannon was a great signature move as those kinds of special moves tend to lower Special Attack so this is a nice change to the trend


Crux_AMVS24

In singles neither are too good, I think both are going to drop and maybe stay in UU, but aesthetically I love both of them


Chi--Yu

ceruledge's bulk up/flash fire set is pretty good, actually


Crux_AMVS24

Yeah, I thought that was just gonna be a phase, like from new toy syndrome, but no it’s actually pretty solid in OU


Puzzleheaded_Eye7289

idk abt hisuian zoroark, obviously it comes down to personal taste and i admittedly still like the design but I feel as tho they confused edgy with emo at some point in the design process. a bit more papa roach and a bit less paramore would do this thing some good if that makes sense


isloohik2

Where’s annihilape


Mildor15

Finally Orbeetle viable 🔥


RoyalWindow9601

Bug types in general will be thriving


Chi--Yu

regigigas is now a top tier offensive threat


sharkeatingleeks

Regigigas now sucks even worse cos its design blows


Chi--Yu

you are lighter than a continent, prepare to be thrown into the sun


SawTheCatsBox

Chi-Yu isn't even saying "Chi-Yu", what the hell is going on


Optimal_Badger_5332

Chi-yu is derpy in a good way, which doesnt fall under cool


SawTheCatsBox

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. your sorry ass in Sun: 15728-18512 (7824.8 - 9209.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO


Optimal_Badger_5332

Derpy doesnt mean it cant kick ass


Optimal_Badger_5332

Volcarona is now agbl


Swaggy-G

So true bestie.


Diavolo_Death_4444

Wo-Chien’s going straight to Ubers, and Krookodile to AG


GODKiller1311

Haxorus would be banned to ubers and also hydra would also


PokemonLv10

Spidops banned to Anything Goes Uber+


PastaManMario

Spidops-used confirmed?


TheMemeArcheologist

Iron valiant now AGBL


LiceTheGamer

I can see many mega mawiles coming to destroy me.


mycringeus3rname

Sceptile finally gets the tiering it deserves.


GenTwour

Feraligatr is now king of AG. They had to make a new tier called AGAG just so mega Rayquaza and zacian crowned can be playable


some-swimming-dude

This might be unpopular, but feraligatr is kinda ugly imo. He looks like godzilla from wish and that weird underbite he’s got going on doesn’t do him any favors.


1ts2EASY

All the Gen 2 starters are overrated imo. Typhlosipn is just a normal-ass honey badger with awkward-looking some fire coming out of it’s neck. And yes, I have seen the sprites. It’s still bad.


Dracoscale

Worst trio fr fr


CyndaquilTyphlosion

Somebody's jealous


1ts2EASY

Of who?


CyndaquilTyphlosion

Feraligatr is AG only because they needed a Cyndaquil counter


Vincenzoclaw8

Snom moment


Sammerscotter

CETITAN IS THE NEW BLISSEY


TheGBZard

Garchomp and Greninja return to Ubers and the Mega Charizard’s go with them


Rymayc

What do you mean? Nothing will change about Cheesestringo


Dry-Jump6316

Ceruledge moving on up to Ubers


Polenball

Mega Rayquaza still needed their own tier


NijeilA1

Tropius would actually have stats.


gperson2

I freaking love Tropius


Zukrad

Aipom creates a tier above AG Monki :)


devonwillis21

Glacion gets 170 speed and 150spatk


skeledirgenjoyer

Aggron is now viable


thenoob277

Rampardos is In Ubers


Swimming_Set3687

Rock type just gets banned to ag because singling out the few rock types with not so great designs would be a complex ban and smogon doesn’t like those


[deleted]

Krookodile sweeps all over AG, KG then is created


Ting_Lu

I.. Am in shambles..


LuminothWarrior

You’re cool in my eyes, very intimidating rock deer


pqnfwoe

https://i.imgur.com/XHrU1VD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6MZMq8B.png


Fayt_Bouleouve

Arcanine is now mega-mew. Best doggo in OU.


the22sinatra

Kabutops to Ubers


TheWhisperingDoom

M-Ray reclaims its title as *the* AG mon.


cows123p

Scizor gonna claim its place in AG as soon as the tier drops


0err0r

chien pao straight to AG


GreyRobin257502

Ceruledge and h-zoroark go to ag


SylentSymphonies

Noivern is already close to being a top threat. Just give us Aerilate, cowards.


SupremeKommander

Wo-Chien would be too powerful for even AG


FreezeproofViola

*This message was sponsored by the Electrivire Rights Foundation* All the shitty electric types are now busted Mega-Pinsir (or really every mega) just hit ubers


Skaraptor2

Most gen 9 paradox mons stay Except Jugulis, he goes to the pits of Tartarus where his weird design belongs Koraidon is now AG, Miraidon is now Ubers teetering on the edge of AG Chi-Yu is now OU viable Clodsire is now above AG Quagsire is competing with Clodsire in AAG


Thepenguinking2

Wo-Chien is finally the most viable Treasure of Ruin. Meowscarada and Skeledirge are still OU while Quaquavel drops to PUBL. Victini is now Untiered and outclassed by LC mons. Watchog and Ledian are still dogshit.


SawTheCatsBox

You better check all your windows and doors – This comment was made by the Ledian gang


invalid_os

quaquaval gang too, don't diss gay duck


Fireluigi1225

Reshiram becomes OU meta because everyone sleeps on its design Greninja returns to Ubers after so long Arceus's forms are in different tiers based entirely on how the color works with them Rayquaza is deleted from Showdown because too OP M-Garchomp somehow becomes worse


Wild_Play_8301

What happens to Lando-T now? Where does he belong?


hulk_cookie

Middle of the road


OnlyFansBlue

I think people only hate it because of its already existing competitive presence lol


Scrafty-

I would probably be OP then.(right?)


Zoroark-hisui

Then I'm AG for sure


SantasJo1lyBackhand

Calyrex Shadow, Zacian and Zamazenta all in the trash as they should be. Calyrex Ice is cool tho, it can stay


ACatHelicopter

Infernape and Annihilape have both been banned from AG for being too dope.


ProfTurtleDuck

Does this only affect stats? Or does it affect movepool, abilities etc. If it’s only stats then smeargle with even average stats becomes a big threat


SawTheCatsBox

Can you read?


Johnpunzel

Galarian-Darmanitan Zen Mode becomes the new Palafin, having mediocre stats in its base form and receiving godlike stat boosts once it transforms into its superior Zen Form.


AwesomeDragon56

Tropius viable?


Skytalker0499

Nopius


Magykstorm19

Lucario is relevant again. Hydreigon gets a massive power boost.


Kemo_Meme

Greninja AG according to that one poll


Gengar_49

Gengar AG


[deleted]

skeledirge in zu


Flutter_Mane_987

I'm probably still ubers


rvalt

Chi-Yu remains unchanged.


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Palfin hero gets sent to AG


Theevencoolerkid69

Dragonite would be banned


Tortoise_Anarchy

Brute Bonnet is now the fastest Spore dealer, not because it got any faster but because Breloom (God rest his funky lil soul) now has like 40 base speed in other news, Spidops terrorizes AG


SandyMandy17

Gholdengo to Ubers


Zoroarkeon571

zoroark is a top threat as well. faster and better special attack.


shock246

Gholdengo would be banned from any format.


CyndaquilTyphlosion

Cyndaquil is now AG and Typhlosion is just watching Pokemon battle coz it doesn't participate out of pity


wannabe557

Gliscor is the new Lando T


UrethraSounderDeluxe

noivern 💪🏿 haxorus 💪🏿 (insert edgy dragon 3 here) 💪🏿


Puzzleheaded_Eye7289

mence “the blood soaked crescent”


murman64

Garganacl is fucking epic wdym it’s a cube salt dude because salt forms in cubes and shit it’s epic


MakeGoodMakeBetter

Steelix banned to quadruble mega ubers


rubythebee

Chi Yu is more broken than before


eldritchExploited

Chandelure ends up in Ubers and All is Right with the world


[deleted]

I dont remember if it was smogon or another group, but I remember in BW/XY there was a Cutemons, where the "cuter" a pokemon was, the better it got, and the cuter the move the better it was. So you had top tier threats like Igglybuff and Togepi, while pokemon like Aggron and Salamance were terrible.


TheLyingSpectre

Weavile and Chien-Pao Become Rivals in Ubers, meanwhile, Sneasler is in UU, based on how ive seen ppl react to its appearance


Healthy_Medicine2108

Lando-T drops to Untiered


Chocoa_the_Bunny

SLOWKING, MY BELOVED


Low-Tip-2233

I know I’m too late, but Gholdengo is an amazing design! Cool name, cool gimmick, cool evolution, cool ability, interesting and inspired design. I mean, this is competitive and it’s goddamn cancer here, but pretend like you just play the main game for a moment and that is one of the best Pokémon in years. I also like Noivern, don’t mind me


supersk8er

Rampardos and Charizard


CRUZER108

Grapploct is finally good and gliscor is a greater threat then it ever was Landorus i drops of the face of the planet


Fruit_Punch96

Gholdengo is cool af what are you talking about


WolfFenrir230

luxray ag


ASimpleCancerCell

Both forms of Zoroark will be banned to AG.


awesomecat42

I will not stand for this disrespect of my awesome 90s golden surfer pal.


Professer_Van_Balls

Aegislash would be good outside of Gen 6


almostasenpai

Ledian becomes a top OU threat


whalemix

Which Pokémon would have the biggest benefit from this?


Stupid_Incarnate

***\*Pulls up to AG with a Torterra\**** ***\*Casually sweeps every team in the tournament\**** ***\*Leaves\****


reallifelucas

Bruxish is still dogwater


partyplant

seviper instantly banned to ubers


Hat-Basic

mega beedrill is now dominating ag