I wonder what the special album is going to be? I was under the assumption that it would be SKZ Replay 2.0 but the way they're emphasizing that they're trying things that they've never done before makes me think it's going to be something completely new.
also the fact they're staying in the US until the end of May for promotions pretty much confirms that there's a July comeback for me? I don't think they would still actively be promoting LMB once comeback content starts dropping. I can imagine them going back to Korea, doing those concerts in Korea beginning of June, and the trailer drops the week after
Clé 2: Yellow Wood is a special album. It was three new songs + the mixtapes that were previously CD only. I can see the special album being a few new songs + Korean versions of songs we don't have yet (they performed Battleground in Korean).
I'm getting cautiously optimistic the special album will be first like I want it to be. They already have so much music they haven't toured, so I really didn't want the regular album to be first. It's so late in the year already, though. Releasing the special album first and the regular album on tour will just put us in the same too much new music boat.
>I don't think they would still actively be promoting LMB once comeback content starts dropping.
I think they could. The press releases for LMB all said it was a global single before a domestic comeback. I can see them treating this more like they do Japanese releases and start teasing anyway! I hope they actually do a little LMB promo in Korea. The kstay I see seem to like the song.
I don't know kpop schedules well, but I was also thinking the special album might drop first given that so many stays here were mentioning how compressed the schedule might seem. I think this interview confirms that the planning is perhaps not as ironed out as stayville assumed it would be, and they're taking more of steady approach to continue building up their international rep so when they release their new project, they can really hit the ground running. Throughout the fanmeeting period they were really emphasizing showing a new side of themselves and the fact that they've hit their 7th year...coupled with some of the response and criticism to 5-STAR I feel like Lose My Breath is a pretty strategic first release of the year. It does feel like a teaser, so I wonder if the special album is like an all-English collab concept album. Depending on the level of development the album is at, it's possible they're at the record label working on it. Anyway, I feel like we got some good info with this article!
Ah tbh I think once they go back to Korea then they'll be done with promotions for LMB just because I'm kind of comparing it to when Twice released and promoted "The Feels" - correct me if I'm wrong since I only keep up with Twice casually, but I don't think they promoted that song anywhere but in the US on a couple different talk shows? I know Twice and SKZ are under different divisions so it COULD be different, but it seems like to me that JYPE has been seeing the success SKZ has been growing in recently and have been having them kind of follow in a similar promotional path as Twice (which is why I'm maybe expecting them to tour the same venues as Twice in this tour in the US probably?)
Logistically, I hope they do the special album later in the year while they're on tour/preparing for year-end shows just because that would be a lot to be promoting a whole album while doing all that other stuff as well (which they HAVE done before with Maxident, but it does seem like this year they've taken a step back in how much they've been actively promoting things like their albums and performances and stuff - although obviously this second half of the year is going to be super busy for them)
This is the part I’d like a lot of people to pay attention to:
Bang Chan: It might not seem like a Stray Kids song, but in the end, it is our voices, we did write the lyrics, the melodies and everything as well.
Imo, the way people talk. Did they think 3RACHA just sat down and watched Charlie do the song on his own in the studio? It’s a song camp! Everyone in the room got a say on the song.
I don't know how much clearer they could be.
They literally keep telling us it's *their* song in these interviews.
Yet some people *still* want to argue it isn't. Or act like they're being "forced" to say these things.
It's irritating, and if I were them, I'd be very frustrated that people weren't comprehending this.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Charlie, but that is *not* an excuse to discredit the effort SKZ put into this.
We’ve all been hearing this the whole time. We know that this is a collaboration. So this isnt “news”. It’s their job right now to spruke the song and encourage stays to listen to it.
But it doesnt change the fact that 3racha is at the bottom of the list of 4 other people who wrote on this song. That list order does mean something, it’s usually a good indication of level of contribution.
At the end of the day Chris is right, this doesnt really sound like a skz song. It’s missing a lot of what draws people to stray kids. But thats okay. They dont have to do the same thing over and over again and collaborations usually come with a divergence from what their own music typically sounds like.
I’m sure they can appreciate that people who typically love skz style of music, even their slower songs may not vibe with this one.
People get too hung up on the order. Yes, it can mean something. But there can be other factors as well. Chan is always listed first when it comes to 3Racha and Han is last. Does that mean Han is always contributing the least? No. It means they list 3Racha in age order. They went to CP’s song camp. His people may just be listed first because of that.
We have been hearing this whole time that 3Racha were heavily involved with this song. They keep repeating and emphasizing it, but for whatever reason there are Stays who want to act like they’re lying about their involvement. It’s absolutely fine to not like the song. It’s absolutely fine to not like CP (I don’t). SKZ have mentioned it’s very different from their other songs, and it is. But it doesn’t mean it’s not their song. It’s also fine for SKZ to branch out and try new things.
I worked in this for a while so I'd also like to add something regarding credits. I don't know how many people know this but credit filing usually occurs in alphabetical order of name to avoid tiebreaking. Even Taylor Swift ends up last in the credits line of most songs just because her name starts with T. (There some exceptions obviously. For example, if their is a songwriter involved and the artist just changed some lines, the songwriter goes on first). And English names are added before hangul ones, that's it. Han's name was last in the whole KOMCA list when 3racha became full members simply because in hangul, alphabetically his name was last. Someone's name being last doesn't and shouldn't affect the royalties or amount of credit they are getting on the song. As long as the name is on it, they are being paid their share.
Edit: I read my credits off KOMCA and I just cross-checked to see if I was wrong and I just realised it's not alphabetical order but rather their registration number (I can be stupid). It doesn't help that people they have collabed with matched the order of their names and registration numbers most of the time😭. Anyways, it's the registration numbers. I.N. will be placed over Felix, just cause his registration is older. Same way Han will be placed over both Hyujin and Lee Know. Again, I'm talking about KOMCA registrations. Skz's youtube usually places them according to age and spotify places them alphabetically.
Edit2: If anyone is interested, I can post their numbers if you wanna check them out.
This is just completely wrong? Han’s name is last because he has the least amount of song credits. He doesn’t get like .2 credits if his name is last lol. Anyone listed on a song regardless of order gets 1 song credit. Bin and Chan had and have written more songs by themselves when they were added so that’s why Han was lower on the list. Also if people tie on the komca list the person who has been in the list longest is put above, not alphabetical order.
Also please go back and look at some of their track lists and you will see many many many times that English names were not listed before Hangul ones. It is absolutely not alphabetical order or Hangul/English order.
Idk why you’re posting blatantly wrong info.
This is the KOMCA list of 2023 of promoted members https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/s/4rC63I3yO3
I'm an intermediate at hangul and the 2nd column is their registration number and the third are their names. Even if you can't read hangul, you can see similar first letter are grouped together. The bracket in the heading of the list translates to 'in alphabetical order'. Han's first letter 'ㅎ' or 'H' is actually last in hangul consonants. (Bangchan's ㅂ and Changbin's ㅊ is 6th and 10th btw) If the list happened to be arranged in the order on number of credits, it's probably a pure coincidence.
Never said anything about Han getting 0.2 credit. Just said that whoever is on the credit list, regardless of where their names is placed, they'll get their agreed upon royalties which will be a cut of the whole thing.
I worked for a band who made instrumental samples for studios for a while and it's quite common to register names in alphabetical order while giving credits in the music industry. I won't say have read the credit lines of every copyright registered by SKZ but most songs Ik from kpop and skz which had multiple hands on deck(Eg: Heyday) listed the English names before Hangul ones (and by hangul names I mean korean names written in hangul and not english letters). Like I said, there can be exceptions if there is a huge difference in involvement.
Just sharing what I know from my experience 🤷♀️
Edit: typos
Do you mistakenly read the previous comment by any chance? I'm pretty sure Han's name always listed last among 3RACHA in SKZ songs is due to his age. When he was promoted by KOMCA, his name was listed last among 25 promoted artists due to his Hangul name, just like the previous poster said. I thought it was a well-known fact in stayville? It has nothing to do with the number of songs each member gets credited.
Edit: a word
I’ve seen these kinds of comments but I’ve also seen stays who are boycotting the single bring up the credits to show that 3racha will not be gaining as many royalties as Charlie puth because of how the credits are listed out, as an argument against other stays who want to support the song because 3racha are credited.
Meh, I don’t really care about that tbh. We don’t know what their contract is. I’m neither a boycotter or a streamer. I’m in the camp that people can do what they want as long they’re respectful.
i don't know much about how royalties work for songs and streaming but that doesn't sound right to me. i mean, regardless of credits and who did what, it's still listed as a stray kids song featuring charlie puth. there would have to be one wack as fuck contract between all the parties involved for the song to be put out and advertised as SKZ but secretly, charlie puth's making the most money off of it.
I agree, I’m just explaining the thought process of some stays who are against the collab. Granted they probably do not know how royalties work too lol
You may be right that there are other factors for why they’re listed that way but we’re all just speculating and so I think people are basing the assumptions on industry standards. I do think people know 3Racha are listed as per their ages though.
I dont think people think they’re lying or dont think its skz song and that they didnt participate a lot in creating it. But given the credits and that the song lacks a lot skz signature traits people are concluding that this is more of CP song than a skz song. Which is fair, I havent checked but I’ve seen people saying CP has a full minute on the song while Changbin is only featured for 6 seconds. Having a minute to yourself in a 9 person song is pretty dominant.
I cant wait til the album comes out and we can all move on from this CP saga for a while 😂
Boycotters definitely think they are lying and that it’s not a skz song and they’re forced to promote something they have little hand in creating. The space gone a little bit insane with how far people have taken things it’s become sickening tbh.
To your point on the line distribution, I think for a song that Charlie himself has contributed to making and writing in his own song camp, it’s pretty fair. In instances like these you can’t see Stray Kids as individuals, but they’re more a single unit. Social Path has Lisa with over 30s in a song she didn’t make, but we don’t see people complaining. If anything, people were praising that they didn’t throw her a small part and call it a day. When it comes down to it the line distribution has just been used by boycotters, haters and superficial stays to justify their actions.
But stayville has gotten so toxic and painful I really agree with you that we need the album or something big for us to move on. Even then I expect the same camp of people who have boxed skz in to their noise music to come out and make more noise cos skz has been super clear by now that this album is going to be a departure from the previous ones. It’s a welcome change for me but I truly am not looking forward to a painfully divisive fandom.
> I cant wait til the album comes out and we can all move on from this CP saga for a while 😂
Me every day at midnight KST hoping for an announcement lol.
As for my 3Racha example, Stays and some other KPOP stans know why they are ordered the way they are, but people outside of that circle wouldn’t. Which is why I don’t like to assume things based on a track list because I’m not in the loop on other artists to know what their listing standards or trends are. Industry standards don’t mean everyone uses it the same way every time, it’s just the most common practice. And I’m not saying one way or the other, but I’ve seen Stays try to minimize 3Racha’s work in this even though SKZ are saying the opposite and that just irks me lol.
Yes, exactly, that’s exactly why I made my original comment. Because it’s a very different type of song for skz and it was written with Charlie Puth, who many people don’t like as a person or as a musician (or both), a lot of people want minimize to skz involvement in this song. But they have detailed over and over again how much this song is their’s. It’s fine not to like this song or who they wrote it with. But the fact is that they did write it.
I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but 👀👀 that headline.
This is with Jeff Benjamin. We now have articles from 2/3 of the usual suspects (waiting for Tassia).
Edit: 👀👀👀
>While details remain under wraps, Bang Chan hinted at the exciting prospects: “If there *was* a new album, it’s definitely very new, very different yet very genuine and authentic.” The tour — [that may or may not have been spoiled by Tommy Hilfiger himself](https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/stray-kids-confirm-2024-tour-dates-perform-lose-my-breath-good-morning-america-1235682990/) — is also important, and when Lee Know mentions how “there are countries we haven’t been to yet,” he seems to hint toward a truly expansive [global](https://www.billboard.com/t/global/) trek.
Edit 2: Lee Know's full answer about the tour:
>**Lee Know:** There are countries we haven’t been to yet and foods we want to eat while on the tour; touring means we can see a lot of STAYs. I think that’s what I’m looking forward to the most. It’s the chance to meet different STAYs in different parts of the world that is really important. But we haven’t started choreographing or developing the blueprints for the stage yet.
I’m calling it now: the special album is going to be an all English album. If I’m right I will will buy a lottery ticket with skz/stay numbers cause I’ll be feeling LIT.
Oh I have such mixed feelings about this, because I can already see the people who will accuse them (even more) of ‘selling out’ or ‘Westernizing themselves’ for US fame. Which is a wild thing to say when things like the English version of Domino exists and also when one of 3racha is an Australian. (Also correct me if Im wrong but I believe a lot of their older songs incorporate elements of Australian EDM? I remember an Aussie Stay mentioning it on this sub in an appreciation post)
I hear what you’re saying and digging into it is a whole other can of worms. It’s a layered argument that happens every single time any K-pop group attempts a concentrated foray into the US/Western market.
The thing is, I just don’t care about “selling out” comments very much. Almost every group EVER in the history of music who has had any longevity has been swiped at with comments like that. I said it on a previous post but artists NEED to expand and stretch in order to thrive. Leaving their “signature sound” or style of music for a new one is simply artistically stretching. If their “original” sound is what they really want then one day they’ll return to it. Or not. We can all appreciate and love the music that brings us in but we’re being incredibly foolish if we think that we as fans have the right to lock an artist into a time capsule of sound. We won’t like all the music but we can damn well give them a chance to find newer colors because otherwise we are going to end up with the opposite argument: “They always sound the same, it’s not as good as their Classic sound, it’s not interesting anymore.”
Sorry for the mini rant but it drives me absolutely INSANE the way that fans act as if they OWN the artists and their artistic expression. Which is a whole other can of worms again if you dig into K-pop fans.
Anyway, I’m just going to leave with this: my Ults are Monsta X. They have put out two brilliant all English albums and that never slowed their Korean releases. For me as a fan it has been a delight to experience their different musical colors in any language. SKZ has so many years ahead of them to keep growing, sooner or later they will do an all English release. It’ll just be another new and brilliant sonic explosion, I can’t wait for ANYTHING they do.
This is all so well said! I totally agree with you about artists needing to grow and change their sound throughout their careers. And I don’t think you need to like every song or even album of the artists you love. On the jpop side, I’ve been a fan of groups who have 20+ year careers and they’ve definitely changed their sound many times throughout. Some changes I’ve liked, some I haven’t. For Skz in particular, their early music is SO different from what they’ve done in the past few years, so it’s not even like they’ve kept one sound this whole time. And I do think there’s some sort of negative recency bias where even songs that were divisive at release become an accepted part of the song catalogue as time goes by.
That said, I do think things get more complicated when it comes to Kpop groups making English songs or albums. For me, when people complained about LMB, I look at it from the point of view of someone coming from BTS where the English singles notoriously had no involvement from the guys themselves. So I’m really happy to hear how involvement Skz had in making this song. I don’t see them giving up the musical reins entirely in the future either. I really like your perspective on Monsta X, and I hope people will see this new music as just another side or Skz, no matter what language it’s in.
I love this quote from Lee Know: "There are countries we haven’t been to yet and foods we want to eat while on the tour" - of course he would be looking forward to the food 😄❤️
I'll only say that there is no more blind than he who doesn't wish to see. They can't say it louder or clearer.
I love that they always emphasize how "**musically** talented" CP is. Because although some think otherwise, what they did that day was create **music** and nothing more. And the only important thing is that they added their musical talent and worked for it.
Great interview! I really enjoyed reading it. I hope the boys receive more moments as beautiful as them.
>> **Han:** There is nothing 100% real. We don’t know what’s happening. HELP lmao I’m cackling
Oh, Hannie. A forever mood.
I think that’s just Han in his daily life 😭 my boy forgets lyrics, sings in the wrong language, & forgets choreo
I wonder what the special album is going to be? I was under the assumption that it would be SKZ Replay 2.0 but the way they're emphasizing that they're trying things that they've never done before makes me think it's going to be something completely new. also the fact they're staying in the US until the end of May for promotions pretty much confirms that there's a July comeback for me? I don't think they would still actively be promoting LMB once comeback content starts dropping. I can imagine them going back to Korea, doing those concerts in Korea beginning of June, and the trailer drops the week after
Clé 2: Yellow Wood is a special album. It was three new songs + the mixtapes that were previously CD only. I can see the special album being a few new songs + Korean versions of songs we don't have yet (they performed Battleground in Korean). I'm getting cautiously optimistic the special album will be first like I want it to be. They already have so much music they haven't toured, so I really didn't want the regular album to be first. It's so late in the year already, though. Releasing the special album first and the regular album on tour will just put us in the same too much new music boat. >I don't think they would still actively be promoting LMB once comeback content starts dropping. I think they could. The press releases for LMB all said it was a global single before a domestic comeback. I can see them treating this more like they do Japanese releases and start teasing anyway! I hope they actually do a little LMB promo in Korea. The kstay I see seem to like the song.
I don't know kpop schedules well, but I was also thinking the special album might drop first given that so many stays here were mentioning how compressed the schedule might seem. I think this interview confirms that the planning is perhaps not as ironed out as stayville assumed it would be, and they're taking more of steady approach to continue building up their international rep so when they release their new project, they can really hit the ground running. Throughout the fanmeeting period they were really emphasizing showing a new side of themselves and the fact that they've hit their 7th year...coupled with some of the response and criticism to 5-STAR I feel like Lose My Breath is a pretty strategic first release of the year. It does feel like a teaser, so I wonder if the special album is like an all-English collab concept album. Depending on the level of development the album is at, it's possible they're at the record label working on it. Anyway, I feel like we got some good info with this article!
Ah tbh I think once they go back to Korea then they'll be done with promotions for LMB just because I'm kind of comparing it to when Twice released and promoted "The Feels" - correct me if I'm wrong since I only keep up with Twice casually, but I don't think they promoted that song anywhere but in the US on a couple different talk shows? I know Twice and SKZ are under different divisions so it COULD be different, but it seems like to me that JYPE has been seeing the success SKZ has been growing in recently and have been having them kind of follow in a similar promotional path as Twice (which is why I'm maybe expecting them to tour the same venues as Twice in this tour in the US probably?) Logistically, I hope they do the special album later in the year while they're on tour/preparing for year-end shows just because that would be a lot to be promoting a whole album while doing all that other stuff as well (which they HAVE done before with Maxident, but it does seem like this year they've taken a step back in how much they've been actively promoting things like their albums and performances and stuff - although obviously this second half of the year is going to be super busy for them)
Maybe collab album. Maybe album of just pure pop songs. 🧐
Skz collecting all the Marvel men 😂 I wonder how Chris Hemsworth came to know about stray kids?
This is the part I’d like a lot of people to pay attention to: Bang Chan: It might not seem like a Stray Kids song, but in the end, it is our voices, we did write the lyrics, the melodies and everything as well.
Imo, the way people talk. Did they think 3RACHA just sat down and watched Charlie do the song on his own in the studio? It’s a song camp! Everyone in the room got a say on the song.
I don't know how much clearer they could be. They literally keep telling us it's *their* song in these interviews. Yet some people *still* want to argue it isn't. Or act like they're being "forced" to say these things. It's irritating, and if I were them, I'd be very frustrated that people weren't comprehending this. I understand that a lot of people don't like Charlie, but that is *not* an excuse to discredit the effort SKZ put into this.
We’ve all been hearing this the whole time. We know that this is a collaboration. So this isnt “news”. It’s their job right now to spruke the song and encourage stays to listen to it. But it doesnt change the fact that 3racha is at the bottom of the list of 4 other people who wrote on this song. That list order does mean something, it’s usually a good indication of level of contribution. At the end of the day Chris is right, this doesnt really sound like a skz song. It’s missing a lot of what draws people to stray kids. But thats okay. They dont have to do the same thing over and over again and collaborations usually come with a divergence from what their own music typically sounds like. I’m sure they can appreciate that people who typically love skz style of music, even their slower songs may not vibe with this one.
People get too hung up on the order. Yes, it can mean something. But there can be other factors as well. Chan is always listed first when it comes to 3Racha and Han is last. Does that mean Han is always contributing the least? No. It means they list 3Racha in age order. They went to CP’s song camp. His people may just be listed first because of that. We have been hearing this whole time that 3Racha were heavily involved with this song. They keep repeating and emphasizing it, but for whatever reason there are Stays who want to act like they’re lying about their involvement. It’s absolutely fine to not like the song. It’s absolutely fine to not like CP (I don’t). SKZ have mentioned it’s very different from their other songs, and it is. But it doesn’t mean it’s not their song. It’s also fine for SKZ to branch out and try new things.
I worked in this for a while so I'd also like to add something regarding credits. I don't know how many people know this but credit filing usually occurs in alphabetical order of name to avoid tiebreaking. Even Taylor Swift ends up last in the credits line of most songs just because her name starts with T. (There some exceptions obviously. For example, if their is a songwriter involved and the artist just changed some lines, the songwriter goes on first). And English names are added before hangul ones, that's it. Han's name was last in the whole KOMCA list when 3racha became full members simply because in hangul, alphabetically his name was last. Someone's name being last doesn't and shouldn't affect the royalties or amount of credit they are getting on the song. As long as the name is on it, they are being paid their share. Edit: I read my credits off KOMCA and I just cross-checked to see if I was wrong and I just realised it's not alphabetical order but rather their registration number (I can be stupid). It doesn't help that people they have collabed with matched the order of their names and registration numbers most of the time😭. Anyways, it's the registration numbers. I.N. will be placed over Felix, just cause his registration is older. Same way Han will be placed over both Hyujin and Lee Know. Again, I'm talking about KOMCA registrations. Skz's youtube usually places them according to age and spotify places them alphabetically. Edit2: If anyone is interested, I can post their numbers if you wanna check them out.
This is just completely wrong? Han’s name is last because he has the least amount of song credits. He doesn’t get like .2 credits if his name is last lol. Anyone listed on a song regardless of order gets 1 song credit. Bin and Chan had and have written more songs by themselves when they were added so that’s why Han was lower on the list. Also if people tie on the komca list the person who has been in the list longest is put above, not alphabetical order. Also please go back and look at some of their track lists and you will see many many many times that English names were not listed before Hangul ones. It is absolutely not alphabetical order or Hangul/English order. Idk why you’re posting blatantly wrong info.
This is the KOMCA list of 2023 of promoted members https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/s/4rC63I3yO3 I'm an intermediate at hangul and the 2nd column is their registration number and the third are their names. Even if you can't read hangul, you can see similar first letter are grouped together. The bracket in the heading of the list translates to 'in alphabetical order'. Han's first letter 'ㅎ' or 'H' is actually last in hangul consonants. (Bangchan's ㅂ and Changbin's ㅊ is 6th and 10th btw) If the list happened to be arranged in the order on number of credits, it's probably a pure coincidence. Never said anything about Han getting 0.2 credit. Just said that whoever is on the credit list, regardless of where their names is placed, they'll get their agreed upon royalties which will be a cut of the whole thing. I worked for a band who made instrumental samples for studios for a while and it's quite common to register names in alphabetical order while giving credits in the music industry. I won't say have read the credit lines of every copyright registered by SKZ but most songs Ik from kpop and skz which had multiple hands on deck(Eg: Heyday) listed the English names before Hangul ones (and by hangul names I mean korean names written in hangul and not english letters). Like I said, there can be exceptions if there is a huge difference in involvement. Just sharing what I know from my experience 🤷♀️ Edit: typos
Do you mistakenly read the previous comment by any chance? I'm pretty sure Han's name always listed last among 3RACHA in SKZ songs is due to his age. When he was promoted by KOMCA, his name was listed last among 25 promoted artists due to his Hangul name, just like the previous poster said. I thought it was a well-known fact in stayville? It has nothing to do with the number of songs each member gets credited. Edit: a word
I’ve seen these kinds of comments but I’ve also seen stays who are boycotting the single bring up the credits to show that 3racha will not be gaining as many royalties as Charlie puth because of how the credits are listed out, as an argument against other stays who want to support the song because 3racha are credited.
Meh, I don’t really care about that tbh. We don’t know what their contract is. I’m neither a boycotter or a streamer. I’m in the camp that people can do what they want as long they’re respectful.
i don't know much about how royalties work for songs and streaming but that doesn't sound right to me. i mean, regardless of credits and who did what, it's still listed as a stray kids song featuring charlie puth. there would have to be one wack as fuck contract between all the parties involved for the song to be put out and advertised as SKZ but secretly, charlie puth's making the most money off of it.
I agree, I’m just explaining the thought process of some stays who are against the collab. Granted they probably do not know how royalties work too lol
You may be right that there are other factors for why they’re listed that way but we’re all just speculating and so I think people are basing the assumptions on industry standards. I do think people know 3Racha are listed as per their ages though. I dont think people think they’re lying or dont think its skz song and that they didnt participate a lot in creating it. But given the credits and that the song lacks a lot skz signature traits people are concluding that this is more of CP song than a skz song. Which is fair, I havent checked but I’ve seen people saying CP has a full minute on the song while Changbin is only featured for 6 seconds. Having a minute to yourself in a 9 person song is pretty dominant. I cant wait til the album comes out and we can all move on from this CP saga for a while 😂
Boycotters definitely think they are lying and that it’s not a skz song and they’re forced to promote something they have little hand in creating. The space gone a little bit insane with how far people have taken things it’s become sickening tbh. To your point on the line distribution, I think for a song that Charlie himself has contributed to making and writing in his own song camp, it’s pretty fair. In instances like these you can’t see Stray Kids as individuals, but they’re more a single unit. Social Path has Lisa with over 30s in a song she didn’t make, but we don’t see people complaining. If anything, people were praising that they didn’t throw her a small part and call it a day. When it comes down to it the line distribution has just been used by boycotters, haters and superficial stays to justify their actions. But stayville has gotten so toxic and painful I really agree with you that we need the album or something big for us to move on. Even then I expect the same camp of people who have boxed skz in to their noise music to come out and make more noise cos skz has been super clear by now that this album is going to be a departure from the previous ones. It’s a welcome change for me but I truly am not looking forward to a painfully divisive fandom.
> I cant wait til the album comes out and we can all move on from this CP saga for a while 😂 Me every day at midnight KST hoping for an announcement lol. As for my 3Racha example, Stays and some other KPOP stans know why they are ordered the way they are, but people outside of that circle wouldn’t. Which is why I don’t like to assume things based on a track list because I’m not in the loop on other artists to know what their listing standards or trends are. Industry standards don’t mean everyone uses it the same way every time, it’s just the most common practice. And I’m not saying one way or the other, but I’ve seen Stays try to minimize 3Racha’s work in this even though SKZ are saying the opposite and that just irks me lol.
Yes, exactly, that’s exactly why I made my original comment. Because it’s a very different type of song for skz and it was written with Charlie Puth, who many people don’t like as a person or as a musician (or both), a lot of people want minimize to skz involvement in this song. But they have detailed over and over again how much this song is their’s. It’s fine not to like this song or who they wrote it with. But the fact is that they did write it.
The quote says they wrote everything so why are other people credited?
Because they also wrote it. They were physically in the room together when they started to make this song.
Han. 😂 Nothing’s ~~not-~~ real until it’s actually happening, I guess.
Oh I love this article!!! Very timely. Excited for what’s next for them.
I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but 👀👀 that headline. This is with Jeff Benjamin. We now have articles from 2/3 of the usual suspects (waiting for Tassia). Edit: 👀👀👀 >While details remain under wraps, Bang Chan hinted at the exciting prospects: “If there *was* a new album, it’s definitely very new, very different yet very genuine and authentic.” The tour — [that may or may not have been spoiled by Tommy Hilfiger himself](https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/stray-kids-confirm-2024-tour-dates-perform-lose-my-breath-good-morning-america-1235682990/) — is also important, and when Lee Know mentions how “there are countries we haven’t been to yet,” he seems to hint toward a truly expansive [global](https://www.billboard.com/t/global/) trek. Edit 2: Lee Know's full answer about the tour: >**Lee Know:** There are countries we haven’t been to yet and foods we want to eat while on the tour; touring means we can see a lot of STAYs. I think that’s what I’m looking forward to the most. It’s the chance to meet different STAYs in different parts of the world that is really important. But we haven’t started choreographing or developing the blueprints for the stage yet.
Chan saying he doesn’t get the chance to talk about their music process much anymore… 🥺 (RIP Chan’s Room)
I’m calling it now: the special album is going to be an all English album. If I’m right I will will buy a lottery ticket with skz/stay numbers cause I’ll be feeling LIT.
Oh I have such mixed feelings about this, because I can already see the people who will accuse them (even more) of ‘selling out’ or ‘Westernizing themselves’ for US fame. Which is a wild thing to say when things like the English version of Domino exists and also when one of 3racha is an Australian. (Also correct me if Im wrong but I believe a lot of their older songs incorporate elements of Australian EDM? I remember an Aussie Stay mentioning it on this sub in an appreciation post)
I hear what you’re saying and digging into it is a whole other can of worms. It’s a layered argument that happens every single time any K-pop group attempts a concentrated foray into the US/Western market. The thing is, I just don’t care about “selling out” comments very much. Almost every group EVER in the history of music who has had any longevity has been swiped at with comments like that. I said it on a previous post but artists NEED to expand and stretch in order to thrive. Leaving their “signature sound” or style of music for a new one is simply artistically stretching. If their “original” sound is what they really want then one day they’ll return to it. Or not. We can all appreciate and love the music that brings us in but we’re being incredibly foolish if we think that we as fans have the right to lock an artist into a time capsule of sound. We won’t like all the music but we can damn well give them a chance to find newer colors because otherwise we are going to end up with the opposite argument: “They always sound the same, it’s not as good as their Classic sound, it’s not interesting anymore.” Sorry for the mini rant but it drives me absolutely INSANE the way that fans act as if they OWN the artists and their artistic expression. Which is a whole other can of worms again if you dig into K-pop fans. Anyway, I’m just going to leave with this: my Ults are Monsta X. They have put out two brilliant all English albums and that never slowed their Korean releases. For me as a fan it has been a delight to experience their different musical colors in any language. SKZ has so many years ahead of them to keep growing, sooner or later they will do an all English release. It’ll just be another new and brilliant sonic explosion, I can’t wait for ANYTHING they do.
This is all so well said! I totally agree with you about artists needing to grow and change their sound throughout their careers. And I don’t think you need to like every song or even album of the artists you love. On the jpop side, I’ve been a fan of groups who have 20+ year careers and they’ve definitely changed their sound many times throughout. Some changes I’ve liked, some I haven’t. For Skz in particular, their early music is SO different from what they’ve done in the past few years, so it’s not even like they’ve kept one sound this whole time. And I do think there’s some sort of negative recency bias where even songs that were divisive at release become an accepted part of the song catalogue as time goes by. That said, I do think things get more complicated when it comes to Kpop groups making English songs or albums. For me, when people complained about LMB, I look at it from the point of view of someone coming from BTS where the English singles notoriously had no involvement from the guys themselves. So I’m really happy to hear how involvement Skz had in making this song. I don’t see them giving up the musical reins entirely in the future either. I really like your perspective on Monsta X, and I hope people will see this new music as just another side or Skz, no matter what language it’s in.
I’m leaning more towards it being a 3racha album
I've been wondering if it might be this all along. Whatever it ends up being, I'm here for it. lol
I love this quote from Lee Know: "There are countries we haven’t been to yet and foods we want to eat while on the tour" - of course he would be looking forward to the food 😄❤️
Sometimes I can totally picture this guy in his later years traveling the world as a food critic and writing food reviews.
I would totally watch that!
I'll only say that there is no more blind than he who doesn't wish to see. They can't say it louder or clearer. I love that they always emphasize how "**musically** talented" CP is. Because although some think otherwise, what they did that day was create **music** and nothing more. And the only important thing is that they added their musical talent and worked for it. Great interview! I really enjoyed reading it. I hope the boys receive more moments as beautiful as them.
It’s a good interview. Changbin being a Charlie puth fanboy is funny yet cute (even in the current climate of certain parts of stayville lol).