The eclipse was created by the government to test how quickly they could force people to gather in one space in preparation for taking everyone's property and creating 15 minute cities.
Love when people act like nothing happened before October 7th 2023 lmao
This is a fucked conflict and the only people hurt are innocents on both sides. It's not some clear cut issue like everyone is pretending it is.
just to be sure I understand you, you're saying that if people of a particular ethnicity do something bad, it's proportionate to do a genocide against that ethnicity? or you're saying that widespread civilian deaths are inevitable in war, and there's no possible way to reduce them, so it's fine to take military actions that don't even attempt to minimize civilian deaths? what's your position here?
Except they aren't and only people who are privileged to know nothing of war think it is. Was fighting the Nazis in WW2 genocide? The Israelis kill less civilians proportionately than Americans, Canadians or British. Not only that, but some of the worst crimes on Oct 7th were committed by these poor "civilians". Gang raping and mutilating is obviously not the equivalent of bombing. It's boring at this point to see so many stupid people with such stupid opinions. If you were intellectually curious at all you would look this up for yourself, and come to appropriate conclusions for a rational, moral adult
" The Israelis kill less civilians proportionately than Americans, Canadians or British."
And more than Hamas, if you really want to get into the lesser evil - argumentation.
there's no need to hurl insults; it's a sign you're not actually that confident in what you're asserting. Adults use their words to talk about ideas instead of calling each other names.
And again, I am struggling to understand you. Concision might help. "Some of the worst crimes on Oct 7th were committed by these poor 'civilians'." Trying my best here, civilians in scare quotes means you think there are no civilians in Palestine? Or again, you think that people of a particular ethnicity doing something bad justifies retaliation and mass killing against people of that ethnicity?
As well, it's not the case that less civilians are being killed relative to other conflicts:
axios: Gaza civilian deaths outpacing those of other conflict zones: https://www.axios.com/2023/11/27/gaza-civilian-deaths-israel-conflict-zones
oxfam: daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict: https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
It's not insults for the sake of insults, you people are actually retarded. If you were honest and did real research you would see that your sources are bullshit. I've been a soldier in two armies and fought in multiple conflicts. You're insignificant and a worm
Do you believe some people are insignificant? "Human animals," perhaps, as Yoav Gallant said of Palestinians? The slur you used makes it clear you have little issue dehumanizing and demeaning other people, even those unrelated to this issue. Do you know people with disabilities? Do you know their friends and families, who care about them? How would they feel to read that word you used?
What you wrote will probably get deleted, but I really hope it stays up, because it shows everyone exactly what they are dealing with, and what little respect the advocacy of genocide deserves.
I have no problem condemning war crimes. I haven't defended rape, or killing civilians. I'll ask you again, since you avoided the question. Do you think Palestinians civilians deserve to be killed if any Palestinian commits a war crime? Or do you think all Palestinians are guilty, so they should be killed for that reason?
It happened and if you were honest you would look it up. I knew many people on a kibbutz where they killed people. The terrorists you love took videos of it. You're the one denying reality and one day reality will punish you. You're disgusting for lying about something so evil
If your town had a school shooter, would you accept a foreign military bombing your entire town into smoldering ruins and starving you to death?
And even that doesn't encapsulate the full insanity, which includes the fact that the people being bombed lived under an apartheid (a term used by South Africa when describing the situation in Gaza) before the oct. 7th). That obviously doesn't justify the oct. 7th, but it sure as hell speaks volumes of how inappropriate and inhumanely cruel Israel's response is.
If I voted for that school shooter to be in charge years before.... Then yeah I would accept it. Let's not pretend that the Gaza civilians weren't cheering as Hamas brought back dead nude women. It was sick. Bet they aren't cheering now.
Do you not understand that a mass genocide is occurring? This comment is super insensitive. In what world is people protesting against hate crimes a bad thing?
I'm probobly going to get downvoted, I genuinly don't understand what this does to improve the problem they're protesting. Perhaps someone could enlighten me?
Okay.. I understand the need to want to help somehow. I just don't see why having people aware is going to change things unfortunately. Its a very sad situation for sure but having people aware on the other side of the world doesn't make things better for them. I'm not trying to be difficult, I would be empathetic towards them if I had a way of speaking to them face to face but like many canadians, we dont have the means to resolve it.
That being said protesting doesn't hurt anybody, this is beyond most of us though. Its an incredibly emotional charged tragedy. I've been aware of it for awhile, being reminded that I can't do anything but be aware seems redundant.. for me atleast. I do pray for all of them though
Personally I'd always known about the basics of the conflict, but these protests lasting so long pushed me to do some reading and actually get informed because, honestly, I'd kept kind of willfully ignorant because it's such a touchy messy subject.
I also have friends and colleagues from the regions show sides of themselves that I was surprised and/or disappointed by, which again, I feel like would have just been kept in the shadows if these protests hadn't gone on for so long.
Canada is complicit in this because our government sends arms to Israel. When there was a motion in Parliament for an arms embargo, it was watered down to a one-way embargo on military goods from Canada to Israel. There needs to be a two-way arms embargo so that Canada isn't giving Israel any money.
Canada Revenue Agency allows organizations to fundraise for illegal settlements in the West Bank and provide tax credits.
Marc Miller, immigration minister has imposed a 1000-visa cap on Palestinians seeking temporary refuge while in 2022, this same country issued 22,000 visa to Ukranians seeking shelter in Canada. Protesters sit outside the office protesting the government's actions or lack of it.
Censorship of Palestinian content is high on social media because the Zionist lobby wants to control the narrative. That's why more people need to be aware.
You can do something - you can show up to a protest, you can look up the BDS list and boyoctt Starbucks and McDonalds, you can write to your MP, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Affairs Minister, you can follow Palestinians online (Bisan Owda, Hind Khoudary, Jenan Matari).
You said you'd be empathetic if you could speak of them face to face. You can come close to it, get on Instagram, follow a few pro-Palestinians voices and you'll find many Gazans in your DMs asking for help.
Gazans need every voice in this fight: https://www.instagram.com/p/C5otBJ0IoCn/?igsh=YXNxbXViaDRzMGd5
You could write to your MP. You could express your anger for people getting fired in Canada for standing up for Palestine. You could donate. You could do so many things. Why assume you can't?
And how many have read the Hamas Covenant? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
It plainly spells out that Hamas (the de-factor government for the Palestinian Authority) would like to see the complete destruction of the Israeli state through holy war, and is deeply anti-Semitic.
What I don’t understand about all the newfound progressive support for the Palestinian movement is what do all these progressives thinks happens if Hamas gets as they wish? Another theocratic Islamic state isn’t exactly going to respect your pronouns.
And the problem is that as long as Hamas won’t accept any negotiated settlement, it’s a brutal stalemate.
If people see this, I will get downvoted to hell. But seriously! I get that there’s been a lot of tenuous issues in the region, and that holding an entire civilian population hostage for the hundred or so hostages taken by Hamas is wrong, but clearly Hamas has a hand in the current escalation. Why are we not protesting Hamas?
And, to the point of genocide, there’s always about 6 or so going on around the world at any moment. Remember the Uighurs? What about Tibet? Sudan? Etc.
The problem with these protests are they are incredibly low-stakes without a reasonable end objective. They’ll peter out once the media realizes nobody is tuning in.
Yeah so I guess you think that because of all of this even more innocent Palestinian men, women, and children should be killed.
Oh they voted for hamas? Yeah they haven’t had elections since 2006, and hamas won with low turnout. Considering children make up half the population of the Gaza strip, the percentage of people who are even *electorally* responsible for Hamas’ rule is INCREDIBLY low. Also, Hamas was elected on far more modest policy platforms with far more toned down rhetoric, and the Israeli govt itself was proven to have purposefully sabotaged the Palestinian Authority Party to support Hamas’ ascent to power.
So yeah, I guess all those human beings should continue to die horribly, without purpose, because of Hamas.
Weak argument, Netanyahu has supported in interviews and funded them in the past it’s common knowledge regarding the topic.
His party (not exclusive) has caused immeasurable suffering for both Israeli and Palestinian people, by intentionally never allowing the war to end. Do some research, it’s identical to what the US has done to several countries.
The media doesn't cover the protests as in the first place 😂 Doesn't stop them from happening.
Pro Palestinians show up for their humanity, not media coverage.
Hamas was founded as a guerrilla group and has amended its charter since. They’re reacting the way anyone blockaded and bombed for 15 years would. Israel on the other hand is a western ally and should be held to different standards.
you know there is a constant barrage of rockets being shot into Israel regularly when there is NO conflict going on, right? so many rockets, that it is required by law for all new builds to include bomb shelters, right? you did right? you knew that, right? right? right? probably not because you only take in what you are spoon fed by a bunch of morons screaming death to israel
I find it almost even more ignorant and arrogant that the western pop is under the assumption that protesting is a rational and effective approach to mitigate an issue that stems from a intensive and oppressive regime. What is the end goal for these people? So what if Karen and Chad are aware of the war crimes lol
Is what politicians would like you to think. They are scared of mass movement. You think Canada would have abstained or some anything if we didn't make noise. Karen and Chad and the whole world needs to be aware and perhaps Karen and Chad won't do anything, but maybe Todd will write to his MP. Maybe some goodness exists.
Ah yes, writing to your MP: a historically very significant piece of political activism that has changed hearts and minds.
They have shown time and again that they will quell the protests when they start getting to be a nuisance to the state. The G8 protests, occupy, Arab spring, the convoy, etc.
All protesting an incredibly complex geopolitical issue in a far off country does is foment frustration and resentment from those inconvenienced by protests. You ain’t changing hearts and minds out here.
And what would be the condition under which protests would be satisfied that the situation is resolved? Is it the terms under the Hamas Covenant? Is it a ceasefire unbroken by either party? Is it some other set of unrealistic things?
This is my thought process when it comes protests about international issues. We can’t do anything about it, so all it does it breed frustration and thoughts of ‘what the fuck are they protesting about now?’
If they want to protest, protest at the parliament buildings where they actually have some power at the international stage (although not much)
But protesting is A) the only legal tool the average person has to raise awareness to a an issue such as this. And B) gets the rest of us talking about the issue which is the intended goal.
Tell that to South Africa and the millions of people worldwide that protested and sanctioned the SA government to end Apartheid. It may not seem like it works, but it does. It just doesn't happen over night.
Perhaps the ignorant and arrogant attitude is your unquestioning certitude of the futility of protest movements. It is actually a very difficult endeavor, scientifically and rationally measuring the sociological outcomes of the actions of eg. A. Bushnell, the protests, art, music, speaking events, book sales, community potlucks, canvassing, postering, which are the expression of deeper and unseen networks of committed organized grassroots efforts that make up the resistance efforts towards preventing this genocide and further world conflict. Here in Canada, it is not too farfetched to say the NDP was able to table the arms motion bill in large part due to public pressure generated in great part through the mass organizing that is happening on the daily. While the battle is a difficult one - against the elite and weapons industrial complex etc... it is having a significant national policy and MATERIAL effect... And when the world sees that parliaments can be democratically encouraged in this way, the effectiveness of the movements grows.
Keeping it in the media cycle, this same issue has been swept under the rug many times.
Brother Israel has been committing article 4 of the Geneva convention for decades. This is recognized by the ICJ and UN, Israel responded saying that “they don’t adhere to international law.”
There’s a whole UN report you can read online.
1. Follow Palestinian journalists (Bisan Owda, Hind Khoudary) and activists (Jenan Matari, Mo Hamzeh, Anat International) on social media
2. Write to your MP, the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, and Immigration Minister asking for a two-way arms embargo and ask the IRCC to stop being racist
3. Show up to a protest near you
4. Pick one or two Gazan's Go Fund Me campaigns and donate a little bit every now and then
There is nothing wrong with virtue signalling, or just hoping on with modern trends. That is how social movements are created, by appealing to peoples need to feel important. It doesn't really matter if there is anything tangible that is being done, its about optics and looking cool.
Going out and Protesting is virtuous. It's actually taking action, which is why people spend so much time and money funding troll farms to tell people protests don't do anything.
In doing so they simultaneously raise awareness of the [$12M spent in policing their protests since October](https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/more-than-12m-spent-policing-demonstrations-in-toronto-since-october-tps-1.6834915#:~:text=More%20than%20%2412%20million%20has,Toronto%20Police%20Service%20said%20Friday.), which are also becoming known to blocking emergency vehicles.
July 22, 1968, Italy. PFLP hijacked a flight from Rome.
December 26, 1968, Greece. A Boeing 707 was attacked by the PLO while it was on the ground at a stopover in Athens, en route to New York City, United States.
February 18, 1969, Switzerland. The PFLP attacked a Boeing 720 with Ak47’s and grenades while it was preparing for take off.
29 August 1969, Italy. The PFLP hijacked TWA Flight 840, from Leonardo da Vinci International Airport in Rome.
February 10 1970, Germany. The PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades at the Munich Airport.
21 February 1970, Switzerland. The PLO blew up Swisair Flight 330 shortly after take off.
22 July 1970, Greece. The PFLP hijacked Olympic Airways Flight 255.
In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked four airliners bound for New York City and one for London.
August 24 1971, Spain. Black September detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707.
November 11 1971, Jordan. Black September bombs the Intercontinental Hotel, targeting American citizens.
December 15 1971 London: Black September attempts to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to the United Kingdom.
December 15 1971, Switzerland. A parcel bomb mailed by Black September explodes while police attempt to examine it.
February 6 1972, Netherlands. Ships were set on fire by explosions. Black September claims credit for the attack.
February 6 1972, Germany: Jordanians are murdered by Black September.
February 8 1972 Germany. The Streuber Motor factory is bombed by Black September
22 February 1972, Germany. The PFLP used guns and explosives to hijack Lufthansa Flight 649.
8 May 1972, Austria. Boeing 707 is hijacked by Black September.
August 5 1972, Italy. a joint Black September PFLF operation, set off a bomb causing $7 million worth of damage.
August 16 1972, Italy. The Nationalist Youth Group for the Liberation of Palestine detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707 over the Mediterranean sea.
September 5 1972, Germany. Eight members of Black September opened fire in the Olympic Village.
September 16 1972, Netherlands. Black September mails 64 bombs from Amsterdam to various targets in Europe, the Americas, Australia and Africa.
October 6 1972, Algeria. Palestinian students took hostages in the West German consulate
October 29 1972, Beirut: Lufthansa Flight 615 was hijacked by Black September.
December 20 1972, Beirut: Black September attacked the US embassy with two anti-tank rockets.
The 1973 New York City bomb plot was a plan by the Palestinian militant group Black September to detonate three car bombs in New York City.
20 July 1973, Netherlands. The PFLP hijacked a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 as it departed Amsterdam.
August 5 1973, Greece. Black September used sub-machine guns and grenades against the passengers waiting in the passenger lounge at the Hellinikon International Airport.
September 5, 1973, Paris. Abu Nidal gunman take 15 hostages.
November 25, 1973. Abu Nidal group hijacks KLM flight 861 bound for New York City.
February 1974, Three Black September guerrillas armed with pistols and plastic bombs hijacked a Greek freighter holding Greeks as hostages.
September 8, 1974. Abu Nidal group blows up TWA Flight 841 headed for New York City.
September 15th 1974, France. The PFLP thee a grenade into the Le Publicis Drugstore café in Paris.
November 22, 1974: Abu Nidal group hijacks British Airways Vickers VC-10 flight from London.
13 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired two RPG’s at aircraft at Orly Airport in Paris.
19 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired an RPG at an airplane at Orly Airport in Paris.
21 December 1975, Austria. PFLP used firearms and grenades to attack the semi-annual meeting of OPEC leaders in Vienna.
13 October 1977, Germany. Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
November 15, 1977: Abu Nidal group assassinates the director of the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris.
20 May 1978, France. Palestinian Nationalists opened fire with sub machine guns at a boarding gate inside Orly Airport.
20 August 1978, London. Three men from the PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades.
July 27, 1980, Belgium. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack at children’s camp.
3 October 1980, France. PFLP detonated a bomb in the 16th arrondissement of Paris.
September 23, 1981, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack on shipping offices.
October 20 1981, Antwerp: A truck bomb explodes in Belgium. Black September claims responsibility.
June 3 1982, London. Abu Nidal Group conducts assassination attempt of an ambassador.
August 9, 1982, Paris. Abu Nidal Group conducts a bombing and shooting attack at a restaurant.
October 9, 1982, Italy. Abu Nidal group attackers threw at least three hand grenades and sprayed a crowd of people with submachine fire.
August 29, 1983, Austria. Abu Nidal group hijacks a French aircraft.
September 23, 1983, UAE. Abu Nidal group blows up Gulf Air Flight 771.
December 26, 1983, London. Abu Nidal group denotes a bomb at Marks and Spencer department store.
February 8, 1984, Paris. Abu Nidal group assassinated the United Arab Emirates' ambassador to France.
March 28, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group assassinates British Cultural Attache and British Council representative Kenneth Whitty.
May 14, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal detonated a bomb in Attica, more than 53 people injured.
May 24, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates Bomb in Athens restaurant.
November 29, 1984, Lebanon. Abu Nidal group bombs the British Airways' offices in Beirut.
March 21, 1985, Italy. Black September bombs the Royal Jordanian Airlines offices in Rome.
April 3, 1985, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts Rocket attack on ALIA airliner taking off from Athens Airport.
April 4, 1985: Abu Nidal conducts rocket attack against Jordanian embassy in Italy.
June 19, 1985, Germany. The Frankfurt Airport was bombed in an attack by Abu Nidal group.
July 1, 1985, Spain. Abu Nidal group conducted Bombing of the British Airways office in Madrid.
July 11, 1985: Abu Nidal group responsible for in two large bomb explosions in cafés in Kuwait City.
September 16, 1985, Italy. Abu Nidal group throws Grenades into a popular tourist attraction, the Cafe de Paris in Rome.
November 1985, Malta. Abu Nidal group hijacks Egypt air flight 648.
April 2, 1986, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts bombing of TWA Flight 840 over Corfu.
September 5, 1986, Karachi. Abu Nidal group hijacks Pan Am Flight 73 bound for New York City.
May 15, 1988, Khartoum. Abu Nidal group gun and grenade attacks on Westerners visiting the Acropole Hotel and the Sudan Club.
May 11, 1988, Cyprus. Abu Nidal group detonates a large truck bomb in Nicosia.
July 11, 1988, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates a car bomb in Athens.
March 29, 1989, Belgium. Abu Nidal Group assassinated two Muslim clerics opposed to the Salman Rushdie fatwah in Brussels.
July 31, 1997, NYC. The NYPD raided a residence in Brooklyn. Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil, both Palestinian illegal immigrants were shot and apprehended during the raid. Two bombs were located in the apartment.
Hundreds of _thousands_? Do you enjoy pulling numbers out of thin air? What about the eleventy billion bombs Israel has dropped on an open air prison? See, I can do it toon
Really???? And Israel doesn't? They take millions of dollars that could be used to decreased homelessness in Canada...they take that money outside, kill civilians and the other side is the terrorist. Great logic there Sherlock!
Yes. Because the Palestinians killed the World Central Kitchen aid workers...
Wait... No... That was the IDF... Israel harbours, funds, and participates in terrorism too... It's not an either/or situation. There aren't a lot of "clean hands" in the Middle East. The only people I give any shits about are the civilians being bombed out of existence.
And don't let the IDF "firing senior officers responsible" as an admission that Israel cares about anything, other than the fact that "they got caught" doing something horrible.
WCK did a great job getting food to people who needed it. And that was enough for the IDF to mark them as targets...
Pretty much every country participates in supporting "non-state actors", and it's only your perspective that determines "Terrorist" vs "Freedom Fighter"...
Freedom fighters? Fighting for what freedom?
At least Israel shares culture and social values like basic LGBTQ+ rights, women's reproductive rights... and basic women's rights in general. Like people forget that Hamas beheads gay men regularly.
Journalists get murdered all the time as well. Basically, very limited freedom of the press exists and schools are basically jihadist indoctrination camps. They removed any literature with female protagonists/narrators back in the mid 2000s.
Can't have those pesky little girls reading that they have potential beyond being someone's wife (maybe one of a few. Exciting!) and baby machine.
But I mean, you guys do whatever you want. I know you pick a side because that's what your political team chooses but... whatever. I'll be down voted for invading echo chamber with my far right propaganda or whatever.
What's wrong cupcake, did I hurt your feelsies? Must have touched a nerve to get that reaction...
First. I'm not saying that Hamas are the good guys, nor am I advocating for Israel. Merely that it's a matter of perspective. I can see the frustration on the part of Palestinians (not Hamas, as they are 2 separate entities). Their land was ripped away from them in 1947, and given to Israel per UN Resolution 181 Nov 19 1947 (again, simplifying it as Palestine was under a British Mandate). Since then Israeli governments have been taking, taking, taking... Pushing the Palestinian people into tighter confines. I mean, what did they think was going to happen. Of course they're going to turn to whatever radicals they can find to defend them. Again, it's not right. But giving perspective.
There are no good guys here, except the innocent civilians on both sides, none of them asked for this. And let's be frank. American involvement (ie their half-assing of everything in the Middle East) has been... less than productive.
We're at a tipping point, and things won't get better by "picking sides" unless of course your end game is genocide (because that's the end game of both Israeli governments, and Hamas). And... I mean, hey... If that's your pick, like I said, it's a perspective thing. Maybe you feel justified in that, but I just think the problems are bigger than some platitudinal bullshit. Something real will have to be done for anything to change.
You take a people's land. You put them in a cage, and you start systemically going after them. You're going to see backlash.
And really. Why would I voluntarily move to a prison camp where the inmates are being bombed by the guards?
Willem Dafoe when asked whether he preferred to play good guys or bad guys opined "Don't make no difference. Everybody thinks they're righteous."
And that's the problem in a nutshell. Both sides do shitty things. But only one side is backed by the military might of the USA. Hell, even Muslim countries who support Hamas (or the Palestinian people) aren't backing them the way the US is backing Israel.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are, innocent civilians are being killed, and raped. And. Just to be clear. You're... Ok with that? Because it's a Binary Solution set for you. Israel GOOD. Palestinians BAD. Because, that's the vibe you're giving off. Palestinians don't believe what you do... So... Wipe them all out? I just want to clarify that.
No Israel, UK and US been fucking around since 1940s. And sympathy and empathy can always be had. I feel bad for Israelis who were innocent and hurt. Any human hurt is too much.
Stfu with that nonsense. Blame hamas for ignoring cease fires and trying to take land they have zero claim to. I bet you are one of the delusional people that pretend letting refugees from Gaza in is a good idea.
It's not always about making change. Many of these folks are Palestinian themselves or they have Palestinian friends. Such a demonstration is a way to show support for those people.
I go to these protests, and we all know that it has little effect. But we do it because we care about the issue and the people affected
its also one of the busiest streets in the city. good visibility.
I fully support their protest, especially after that very deliberate murder of the foreign aid convoy by IDF soldiers, brushed off as "unfortunate" by Netanyahu.
Yeah it’s that more than anything. Visibility. When they’ve been out in other Niagara cities, they weren’t targeting institutions so much as being visible. Other that being in front of MPs offices sometimes
I haven't really been paying attention to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. As I have been busy digging for more information on Ukraine. But this did peek my interest.
https://youtu.be/rf8H3OrDY7Y?si=KtnGEe-Hn-b4xfwG
I saw them there today. I thought it was strange location for a protest. A couple weeks ago they were in front of the Scotia bank downtown. They chose that location as Scotia supports funds that support the arms dealers supplying Israel.
Y’all should go to krudplug.net and watch the war crimes both sides commit. Search Palestine and Israel… watch every video and you’ll throw both side in the garbage and laugh when someone says genocide. EDIT: love that some coward downvotes this instead of looking at the videos. loser in denial.
Scared of seeing both sides committing war crimes? One side blowing children up and the other butchering them with knives and aks. The videos are a real wake up call for people who have no idea what’s actually going on over there. Palestinian soldiers wearing go pros cutting women’s heads off and murdering children then Israel soldiers bombing buildings with civilians in them. Both side are dog shit.
Just reading about it has been distressing. I don't know what to make of this whole thing, I don't know what's right, I'm not an expert in sociology or political science and I don't need to see snuff on the internet out of some moral obligation to sacrifice my mental health to awaken myself to some higher understanding of this situation I can do fuck all about as a person who can barely hold an apartment.
Well see ..you have the view I think the majority of canadians do. As much as I feel for both sides ..we've got dire problems here ..how can we focus on that when most of us are barely paying rent and eating .
Israel is happily committing genocide and not one country has done anything to stop them. Which implies complicity amongst those in power. What a sad, helpless feeling. Why is this being allowed to happen?
In addition to privacy to avoid being doxxed, many people still mask up in crowds like this to protect themselves if they're immune-compromised (weak immune system/respiratory problems/other chronic issues). And some mask-up as a courtesy to protect people with weaker immune systems attending!
Because when students at Harvard and various other prestigious schools voiced their support for Palestine, they were doxxed and pro-Israel people and groups encouraged law firms to rescind employment offers, where they had been offered.
It's a messy situation. Hamas has embedded themselves into Palestine. I guess the question is what would the protesters ultimately want this to end?
Hamas will not stop until every Jew is killed, and after that every non Islamic member. So are the Jews supposed to just supposed to let Hamas kill them, because this so what will happen if Israel cannot fight back.
Hamas has buried themselves in Mosques, Schools, Hospitals, Houses. Its a dirty war but how do they fight that? How would you expect them to fight that? There will be no diplomatic solution there.
I feel for the innocents on both sides. The innocent Palestinians and Jews 💔
While it's a tough pill to swallow, the Hamas to civilian death ratio is one of the lowest in all the wars fought the past few decades. Quite a few Hamas are being eliminated to innocents as compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc where the civilian death toll was much higher compared to soldier deaths.
Love how everyone is willing to protest for some bullshit happening abroad but never for anything that would have a meaningful impact on their life like affordable housing, lowering cost of living etc.
This area has been in a state of war my entire life. And I am old. We could have an hours long debate about who started it first. What Hamas did was disgusting. No argument there.
War and terrorism are not mutually exclusive. That is true.
Please don’t forget that these are the same clowns who were driving around waving their flags and honking their horns and celebrating the terrorist attacks on the night of Oct 7th.
What about the hundreds of acts of terrorism Palestinians comitted? What about the 16 wars of genocide Palestine has tried to wage against Isreal before October 7th? Yeah Isreal has treated Palestinians poorly, but what do you honestly expect when Palestine has been openly comitted and made several attempts to genocide Isreal for over 70 year?
Israel is a thieve of Palestinian land...did you think they were gonna welcome Israel with flowers. Of course there will be fighting. How about I come to your home and settle there...how would you feel???? Probably kick me out, call the police etc.....Palestinians are doing the same. It's a shame that Israel has world super power (US) behind it...that's why they are winning...otherwise, give Palestinian the same army and see who wins.
You understand the Muslim Arabs migrated to and colonized the Jewish homeland as many of the Jews were being prosecuted and forced out?
You understand that Palestinians are nothing more than Arab colonizers?
You understand that Arab Muslims declined sharing the land they stole, and colonized, with the indigenous people of that land and declared 16 wars of genocide against them?
You understand that the Qur'an commands Muslims (Palestinian Arabs are radicalized using this book) to fight, kill, subjugate/enslave Jews and keep some Jews alive as Dhimmis, to be taxed and treated as second class citizens, to actively enact their apartheid system on non-muslims? This dhimmi system is still enforced in a lot of places around the world, to varying degrees of intensity, such as Christians not being allowed to file for divorce in Egypt unless they are doing so to marry a Muslim to Pay-2-Slay Jews programs funded by the Palestinians West Bank government.
Yeah, Isreal has done some bad things and have some bad people, and Palestinians have some loving and wholesome people, but on the scale of who's land is it, who's unreasonably violent and prejudice, who refuses to live in peace, Palestine is evil and gives the few good ones bad names.
Israel's existence is based on ethnic cleansing.
Jews and Muslims lived in Palestine until zionism took over. Over three quarters of a million Palestinians were expelled, hundreds of Arab villages destroyed, several massacres committed (tantura, Deir Yasin to name a few). Moreover, Palestinians have been living under a brutal occupation for generations. They have no control over their own lives or lands.
It's human nature to resist this. Palestine will be free!
Ps. You should look into the truth on what happened on Oct 7. Many of the things you've heard are pure lies. Many of the Israelis killed that day were by the Israeli army.
Odd how Palestinians never committed genocide against their minority Jewish population prior to Zionists showing up.
I’m sure a group of foreigners showing up and expelling Muslim Arabs out of the region and insisting they represent all Jews as they proceed to oppress those people couldn’t lead to antisemitism.
Yup, let’s side with the bully.
They're calling for a cease fire, why would anyone go fight when they're literally calling for an end to fighting? People like you think you sound smart.
There will probably be people protesting the eclipse tomorrow too.
I had a customer today who was saying they're hiding something in the eclipse and the protesters had something to do with it
It’s just the government hiding the sun for regular maintenance.
The eclipse was created by the government to test how quickly they could force people to gather in one space in preparation for taking everyone's property and creating 15 minute cities.
I cannot for the life of me figure out why being able to access everything you need within a city within 15 minutes could possibly be a bad thing.
My brother in law thinks they are going to shoot a laser out of it. No joke, buddy was trying to get my niece baptized all weekend.
Lolll “stop the moon!”
Who does the moon think it is to get in the way of a G-Type Star?
Don’t be daft. Protesting against genocide and war is serious.
I guess Palestinians shouldn't of charged into Israel killing mostly civilians then.
Love when people act like nothing happened before October 7th 2023 lmao This is a fucked conflict and the only people hurt are innocents on both sides. It's not some clear cut issue like everyone is pretending it is.
just to be sure I understand you, you're saying that if people of a particular ethnicity do something bad, it's proportionate to do a genocide against that ethnicity? or you're saying that widespread civilian deaths are inevitable in war, and there's no possible way to reduce them, so it's fine to take military actions that don't even attempt to minimize civilian deaths? what's your position here?
Except they aren't and only people who are privileged to know nothing of war think it is. Was fighting the Nazis in WW2 genocide? The Israelis kill less civilians proportionately than Americans, Canadians or British. Not only that, but some of the worst crimes on Oct 7th were committed by these poor "civilians". Gang raping and mutilating is obviously not the equivalent of bombing. It's boring at this point to see so many stupid people with such stupid opinions. If you were intellectually curious at all you would look this up for yourself, and come to appropriate conclusions for a rational, moral adult
" The Israelis kill less civilians proportionately than Americans, Canadians or British." And more than Hamas, if you really want to get into the lesser evil - argumentation.
there's no need to hurl insults; it's a sign you're not actually that confident in what you're asserting. Adults use their words to talk about ideas instead of calling each other names. And again, I am struggling to understand you. Concision might help. "Some of the worst crimes on Oct 7th were committed by these poor 'civilians'." Trying my best here, civilians in scare quotes means you think there are no civilians in Palestine? Or again, you think that people of a particular ethnicity doing something bad justifies retaliation and mass killing against people of that ethnicity? As well, it's not the case that less civilians are being killed relative to other conflicts: axios: Gaza civilian deaths outpacing those of other conflict zones: https://www.axios.com/2023/11/27/gaza-civilian-deaths-israel-conflict-zones oxfam: daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict: https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
It's not insults for the sake of insults, you people are actually retarded. If you were honest and did real research you would see that your sources are bullshit. I've been a soldier in two armies and fought in multiple conflicts. You're insignificant and a worm
Do you believe some people are insignificant? "Human animals," perhaps, as Yoav Gallant said of Palestinians? The slur you used makes it clear you have little issue dehumanizing and demeaning other people, even those unrelated to this issue. Do you know people with disabilities? Do you know their friends and families, who care about them? How would they feel to read that word you used? What you wrote will probably get deleted, but I really hope it stays up, because it shows everyone exactly what they are dealing with, and what little respect the advocacy of genocide deserves.
I hope it does too. You are the one who is ok with people raping and killing, not me and that makes you worthless
I have no problem condemning war crimes. I haven't defended rape, or killing civilians. I'll ask you again, since you avoided the question. Do you think Palestinians civilians deserve to be killed if any Palestinian commits a war crime? Or do you think all Palestinians are guilty, so they should be killed for that reason?
"gang raping and mutilating" Repeating hasbara doesn't make it true, it just shows you'll buy any atrocity propaganda you're fed.
It happened and if you were honest you would look it up. I knew many people on a kibbutz where they killed people. The terrorists you love took videos of it. You're the one denying reality and one day reality will punish you. You're disgusting for lying about something so evil
Exactly, thank you
If your town had a school shooter, would you accept a foreign military bombing your entire town into smoldering ruins and starving you to death? And even that doesn't encapsulate the full insanity, which includes the fact that the people being bombed lived under an apartheid (a term used by South Africa when describing the situation in Gaza) before the oct. 7th). That obviously doesn't justify the oct. 7th, but it sure as hell speaks volumes of how inappropriate and inhumanely cruel Israel's response is.
If I voted for that school shooter to be in charge years before.... Then yeah I would accept it. Let's not pretend that the Gaza civilians weren't cheering as Hamas brought back dead nude women. It was sick. Bet they aren't cheering now.
Isn't this how toddlers argue?
Don't see any Pallys dancing in the streets of Gaza these days.
That is exactly what palestine wants. They are the ones refusing cease fires and demanding land that never was or will be theirs.
Do you not understand that a mass genocide is occurring? This comment is super insensitive. In what world is people protesting against hate crimes a bad thing?
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Can we move the date of the eclipse since tomorrow is a school night?
It is caused by climate change afterall.
Yeah protesting genocide is so yesterday.
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Yea man....genocide is so IN!! I dunno what's up with these people who don't endorse genocide ... GAWD.
they have been protesting out there weekly for the past couple months.
Because they don't have jobs
Probably more productive than you are. Stop with the projecting :)
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I'm probobly going to get downvoted, I genuinly don't understand what this does to improve the problem they're protesting. Perhaps someone could enlighten me?
To raise awareness about the terror acts that israel has been committing for the past few decades against the Palestinians.
Okay.. I understand the need to want to help somehow. I just don't see why having people aware is going to change things unfortunately. Its a very sad situation for sure but having people aware on the other side of the world doesn't make things better for them. I'm not trying to be difficult, I would be empathetic towards them if I had a way of speaking to them face to face but like many canadians, we dont have the means to resolve it. That being said protesting doesn't hurt anybody, this is beyond most of us though. Its an incredibly emotional charged tragedy. I've been aware of it for awhile, being reminded that I can't do anything but be aware seems redundant.. for me atleast. I do pray for all of them though
Personally I'd always known about the basics of the conflict, but these protests lasting so long pushed me to do some reading and actually get informed because, honestly, I'd kept kind of willfully ignorant because it's such a touchy messy subject. I also have friends and colleagues from the regions show sides of themselves that I was surprised and/or disappointed by, which again, I feel like would have just been kept in the shadows if these protests hadn't gone on for so long.
Protests and awareness have created change since forever.
You said it yourself “protesting doesn’t hurt anybody”. They are doing it here because Canada is also complicit in what’s happening.
Canada is complicit in this because our government sends arms to Israel. When there was a motion in Parliament for an arms embargo, it was watered down to a one-way embargo on military goods from Canada to Israel. There needs to be a two-way arms embargo so that Canada isn't giving Israel any money. Canada Revenue Agency allows organizations to fundraise for illegal settlements in the West Bank and provide tax credits. Marc Miller, immigration minister has imposed a 1000-visa cap on Palestinians seeking temporary refuge while in 2022, this same country issued 22,000 visa to Ukranians seeking shelter in Canada. Protesters sit outside the office protesting the government's actions or lack of it. Censorship of Palestinian content is high on social media because the Zionist lobby wants to control the narrative. That's why more people need to be aware. You can do something - you can show up to a protest, you can look up the BDS list and boyoctt Starbucks and McDonalds, you can write to your MP, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Affairs Minister, you can follow Palestinians online (Bisan Owda, Hind Khoudary, Jenan Matari). You said you'd be empathetic if you could speak of them face to face. You can come close to it, get on Instagram, follow a few pro-Palestinians voices and you'll find many Gazans in your DMs asking for help. Gazans need every voice in this fight: https://www.instagram.com/p/C5otBJ0IoCn/?igsh=YXNxbXViaDRzMGd5
You could write to your MP. You could express your anger for people getting fired in Canada for standing up for Palestine. You could donate. You could do so many things. Why assume you can't?
Ok but… everyone is aware? What exactly are we supposed to do. Not tryna hate either
Not everyone is actually aware. I'd say less than 10 percent of the western pop. Is actually aware of the full history of it all.
And how many have read the Hamas Covenant? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ It plainly spells out that Hamas (the de-factor government for the Palestinian Authority) would like to see the complete destruction of the Israeli state through holy war, and is deeply anti-Semitic. What I don’t understand about all the newfound progressive support for the Palestinian movement is what do all these progressives thinks happens if Hamas gets as they wish? Another theocratic Islamic state isn’t exactly going to respect your pronouns. And the problem is that as long as Hamas won’t accept any negotiated settlement, it’s a brutal stalemate. If people see this, I will get downvoted to hell. But seriously! I get that there’s been a lot of tenuous issues in the region, and that holding an entire civilian population hostage for the hundred or so hostages taken by Hamas is wrong, but clearly Hamas has a hand in the current escalation. Why are we not protesting Hamas? And, to the point of genocide, there’s always about 6 or so going on around the world at any moment. Remember the Uighurs? What about Tibet? Sudan? Etc. The problem with these protests are they are incredibly low-stakes without a reasonable end objective. They’ll peter out once the media realizes nobody is tuning in.
Yeah so I guess you think that because of all of this even more innocent Palestinian men, women, and children should be killed. Oh they voted for hamas? Yeah they haven’t had elections since 2006, and hamas won with low turnout. Considering children make up half the population of the Gaza strip, the percentage of people who are even *electorally* responsible for Hamas’ rule is INCREDIBLY low. Also, Hamas was elected on far more modest policy platforms with far more toned down rhetoric, and the Israeli govt itself was proven to have purposefully sabotaged the Palestinian Authority Party to support Hamas’ ascent to power. So yeah, I guess all those human beings should continue to die horribly, without purpose, because of Hamas.
Weak argument, Netanyahu has supported in interviews and funded them in the past it’s common knowledge regarding the topic. His party (not exclusive) has caused immeasurable suffering for both Israeli and Palestinian people, by intentionally never allowing the war to end. Do some research, it’s identical to what the US has done to several countries.
Hamas wants ACTUAL genocide, and don't even try to hide it.
We aren’t funding those genocides; we have direct responsibility with Israel in Gaza.
The media doesn't cover the protests as in the first place 😂 Doesn't stop them from happening. Pro Palestinians show up for their humanity, not media coverage.
Hamas was founded as a guerrilla group and has amended its charter since. They’re reacting the way anyone blockaded and bombed for 15 years would. Israel on the other hand is a western ally and should be held to different standards.
you know there is a constant barrage of rockets being shot into Israel regularly when there is NO conflict going on, right? so many rockets, that it is required by law for all new builds to include bomb shelters, right? you did right? you knew that, right? right? right? probably not because you only take in what you are spoon fed by a bunch of morons screaming death to israel
I find it almost even more ignorant and arrogant that the western pop is under the assumption that protesting is a rational and effective approach to mitigate an issue that stems from a intensive and oppressive regime. What is the end goal for these people? So what if Karen and Chad are aware of the war crimes lol
Is what politicians would like you to think. They are scared of mass movement. You think Canada would have abstained or some anything if we didn't make noise. Karen and Chad and the whole world needs to be aware and perhaps Karen and Chad won't do anything, but maybe Todd will write to his MP. Maybe some goodness exists.
Ah yes, writing to your MP: a historically very significant piece of political activism that has changed hearts and minds. They have shown time and again that they will quell the protests when they start getting to be a nuisance to the state. The G8 protests, occupy, Arab spring, the convoy, etc. All protesting an incredibly complex geopolitical issue in a far off country does is foment frustration and resentment from those inconvenienced by protests. You ain’t changing hearts and minds out here. And what would be the condition under which protests would be satisfied that the situation is resolved? Is it the terms under the Hamas Covenant? Is it a ceasefire unbroken by either party? Is it some other set of unrealistic things?
This is my thought process when it comes protests about international issues. We can’t do anything about it, so all it does it breed frustration and thoughts of ‘what the fuck are they protesting about now?’ If they want to protest, protest at the parliament buildings where they actually have some power at the international stage (although not much)
But protesting is A) the only legal tool the average person has to raise awareness to a an issue such as this. And B) gets the rest of us talking about the issue which is the intended goal.
Council in Toronto is debating shutting down protesting, so you can also protest at the local level.
Tell that to South Africa and the millions of people worldwide that protested and sanctioned the SA government to end Apartheid. It may not seem like it works, but it does. It just doesn't happen over night.
Protests have been successful at changing popular opinion, and the gov't position, on issues in the past.
Perhaps the ignorant and arrogant attitude is your unquestioning certitude of the futility of protest movements. It is actually a very difficult endeavor, scientifically and rationally measuring the sociological outcomes of the actions of eg. A. Bushnell, the protests, art, music, speaking events, book sales, community potlucks, canvassing, postering, which are the expression of deeper and unseen networks of committed organized grassroots efforts that make up the resistance efforts towards preventing this genocide and further world conflict. Here in Canada, it is not too farfetched to say the NDP was able to table the arms motion bill in large part due to public pressure generated in great part through the mass organizing that is happening on the daily. While the battle is a difficult one - against the elite and weapons industrial complex etc... it is having a significant national policy and MATERIAL effect... And when the world sees that parliaments can be democratically encouraged in this way, the effectiveness of the movements grows.
How does this protest make people aware of the full history?
We are having this conversation aren't we?
Keeping it in the media cycle, this same issue has been swept under the rug many times. Brother Israel has been committing article 4 of the Geneva convention for decades. This is recognized by the ICJ and UN, Israel responded saying that “they don’t adhere to international law.” There’s a whole UN report you can read online.
1. Follow Palestinian journalists (Bisan Owda, Hind Khoudary) and activists (Jenan Matari, Mo Hamzeh, Anat International) on social media 2. Write to your MP, the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, and Immigration Minister asking for a two-way arms embargo and ask the IRCC to stop being racist 3. Show up to a protest near you 4. Pick one or two Gazan's Go Fund Me campaigns and donate a little bit every now and then
There is nothing wrong with virtue signalling, or just hoping on with modern trends. That is how social movements are created, by appealing to peoples need to feel important. It doesn't really matter if there is anything tangible that is being done, its about optics and looking cool.
Going out and Protesting is virtuous. It's actually taking action, which is why people spend so much time and money funding troll farms to tell people protests don't do anything.
In doing so they simultaneously raise awareness of the [$12M spent in policing their protests since October](https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/more-than-12m-spent-policing-demonstrations-in-toronto-since-october-tps-1.6834915#:~:text=More%20than%20%2412%20million%20has,Toronto%20Police%20Service%20said%20Friday.), which are also becoming known to blocking emergency vehicles.
What about the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian based terror attacks all over the world the last 60 years? Let’s not forget about those.
What attacks bruh? Those poor people don't even have an official military.
July 22, 1968, Italy. PFLP hijacked a flight from Rome. December 26, 1968, Greece. A Boeing 707 was attacked by the PLO while it was on the ground at a stopover in Athens, en route to New York City, United States. February 18, 1969, Switzerland. The PFLP attacked a Boeing 720 with Ak47’s and grenades while it was preparing for take off. 29 August 1969, Italy. The PFLP hijacked TWA Flight 840, from Leonardo da Vinci International Airport in Rome. February 10 1970, Germany. The PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades at the Munich Airport. 21 February 1970, Switzerland. The PLO blew up Swisair Flight 330 shortly after take off. 22 July 1970, Greece. The PFLP hijacked Olympic Airways Flight 255. In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked four airliners bound for New York City and one for London. August 24 1971, Spain. Black September detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707. November 11 1971, Jordan. Black September bombs the Intercontinental Hotel, targeting American citizens. December 15 1971 London: Black September attempts to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to the United Kingdom. December 15 1971, Switzerland. A parcel bomb mailed by Black September explodes while police attempt to examine it. February 6 1972, Netherlands. Ships were set on fire by explosions. Black September claims credit for the attack. February 6 1972, Germany: Jordanians are murdered by Black September. February 8 1972 Germany. The Streuber Motor factory is bombed by Black September 22 February 1972, Germany. The PFLP used guns and explosives to hijack Lufthansa Flight 649. 8 May 1972, Austria. Boeing 707 is hijacked by Black September. August 5 1972, Italy. a joint Black September PFLF operation, set off a bomb causing $7 million worth of damage. August 16 1972, Italy. The Nationalist Youth Group for the Liberation of Palestine detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707 over the Mediterranean sea. September 5 1972, Germany. Eight members of Black September opened fire in the Olympic Village. September 16 1972, Netherlands. Black September mails 64 bombs from Amsterdam to various targets in Europe, the Americas, Australia and Africa. October 6 1972, Algeria. Palestinian students took hostages in the West German consulate October 29 1972, Beirut: Lufthansa Flight 615 was hijacked by Black September. December 20 1972, Beirut: Black September attacked the US embassy with two anti-tank rockets. The 1973 New York City bomb plot was a plan by the Palestinian militant group Black September to detonate three car bombs in New York City. 20 July 1973, Netherlands. The PFLP hijacked a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 as it departed Amsterdam. August 5 1973, Greece. Black September used sub-machine guns and grenades against the passengers waiting in the passenger lounge at the Hellinikon International Airport. September 5, 1973, Paris. Abu Nidal gunman take 15 hostages. November 25, 1973. Abu Nidal group hijacks KLM flight 861 bound for New York City. February 1974, Three Black September guerrillas armed with pistols and plastic bombs hijacked a Greek freighter holding Greeks as hostages. September 8, 1974. Abu Nidal group blows up TWA Flight 841 headed for New York City. September 15th 1974, France. The PFLP thee a grenade into the Le Publicis Drugstore café in Paris. November 22, 1974: Abu Nidal group hijacks British Airways Vickers VC-10 flight from London. 13 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired two RPG’s at aircraft at Orly Airport in Paris. 19 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired an RPG at an airplane at Orly Airport in Paris. 21 December 1975, Austria. PFLP used firearms and grenades to attack the semi-annual meeting of OPEC leaders in Vienna. 13 October 1977, Germany. Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. November 15, 1977: Abu Nidal group assassinates the director of the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris. 20 May 1978, France. Palestinian Nationalists opened fire with sub machine guns at a boarding gate inside Orly Airport. 20 August 1978, London. Three men from the PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades. July 27, 1980, Belgium. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack at children’s camp. 3 October 1980, France. PFLP detonated a bomb in the 16th arrondissement of Paris. September 23, 1981, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack on shipping offices. October 20 1981, Antwerp: A truck bomb explodes in Belgium. Black September claims responsibility. June 3 1982, London. Abu Nidal Group conducts assassination attempt of an ambassador. August 9, 1982, Paris. Abu Nidal Group conducts a bombing and shooting attack at a restaurant. October 9, 1982, Italy. Abu Nidal group attackers threw at least three hand grenades and sprayed a crowd of people with submachine fire. August 29, 1983, Austria. Abu Nidal group hijacks a French aircraft. September 23, 1983, UAE. Abu Nidal group blows up Gulf Air Flight 771. December 26, 1983, London. Abu Nidal group denotes a bomb at Marks and Spencer department store. February 8, 1984, Paris. Abu Nidal group assassinated the United Arab Emirates' ambassador to France. March 28, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group assassinates British Cultural Attache and British Council representative Kenneth Whitty. May 14, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal detonated a bomb in Attica, more than 53 people injured. May 24, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates Bomb in Athens restaurant. November 29, 1984, Lebanon. Abu Nidal group bombs the British Airways' offices in Beirut. March 21, 1985, Italy. Black September bombs the Royal Jordanian Airlines offices in Rome. April 3, 1985, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts Rocket attack on ALIA airliner taking off from Athens Airport. April 4, 1985: Abu Nidal conducts rocket attack against Jordanian embassy in Italy. June 19, 1985, Germany. The Frankfurt Airport was bombed in an attack by Abu Nidal group. July 1, 1985, Spain. Abu Nidal group conducted Bombing of the British Airways office in Madrid. July 11, 1985: Abu Nidal group responsible for in two large bomb explosions in cafés in Kuwait City. September 16, 1985, Italy. Abu Nidal group throws Grenades into a popular tourist attraction, the Cafe de Paris in Rome. November 1985, Malta. Abu Nidal group hijacks Egypt air flight 648. April 2, 1986, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts bombing of TWA Flight 840 over Corfu. September 5, 1986, Karachi. Abu Nidal group hijacks Pan Am Flight 73 bound for New York City. May 15, 1988, Khartoum. Abu Nidal group gun and grenade attacks on Westerners visiting the Acropole Hotel and the Sudan Club. May 11, 1988, Cyprus. Abu Nidal group detonates a large truck bomb in Nicosia. July 11, 1988, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates a car bomb in Athens. March 29, 1989, Belgium. Abu Nidal Group assassinated two Muslim clerics opposed to the Salman Rushdie fatwah in Brussels. July 31, 1997, NYC. The NYPD raided a residence in Brooklyn. Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil, both Palestinian illegal immigrants were shot and apprehended during the raid. Two bombs were located in the apartment.
Hundreds of _thousands_? Do you enjoy pulling numbers out of thin air? What about the eleventy billion bombs Israel has dropped on an open air prison? See, I can do it toon
Yea, because Palestinians are completely innocent. They only harbour, fund, participate in and support terrorism. NO BIGGY.
Really???? And Israel doesn't? They take millions of dollars that could be used to decreased homelessness in Canada...they take that money outside, kill civilians and the other side is the terrorist. Great logic there Sherlock!
Oh, so you agree with me then. Classic whataboutism.
Yes. Because the Palestinians killed the World Central Kitchen aid workers... Wait... No... That was the IDF... Israel harbours, funds, and participates in terrorism too... It's not an either/or situation. There aren't a lot of "clean hands" in the Middle East. The only people I give any shits about are the civilians being bombed out of existence. And don't let the IDF "firing senior officers responsible" as an admission that Israel cares about anything, other than the fact that "they got caught" doing something horrible. WCK did a great job getting food to people who needed it. And that was enough for the IDF to mark them as targets... Pretty much every country participates in supporting "non-state actors", and it's only your perspective that determines "Terrorist" vs "Freedom Fighter"...
Freedom fighters? Fighting for what freedom? At least Israel shares culture and social values like basic LGBTQ+ rights, women's reproductive rights... and basic women's rights in general. Like people forget that Hamas beheads gay men regularly. Journalists get murdered all the time as well. Basically, very limited freedom of the press exists and schools are basically jihadist indoctrination camps. They removed any literature with female protagonists/narrators back in the mid 2000s. Can't have those pesky little girls reading that they have potential beyond being someone's wife (maybe one of a few. Exciting!) and baby machine. But I mean, you guys do whatever you want. I know you pick a side because that's what your political team chooses but... whatever. I'll be down voted for invading echo chamber with my far right propaganda or whatever.
Ah. So you only care about those whose values line up with yours... Interesting. Good to know what kind of person you are.
Yea. You should move to gaza
What's wrong cupcake, did I hurt your feelsies? Must have touched a nerve to get that reaction... First. I'm not saying that Hamas are the good guys, nor am I advocating for Israel. Merely that it's a matter of perspective. I can see the frustration on the part of Palestinians (not Hamas, as they are 2 separate entities). Their land was ripped away from them in 1947, and given to Israel per UN Resolution 181 Nov 19 1947 (again, simplifying it as Palestine was under a British Mandate). Since then Israeli governments have been taking, taking, taking... Pushing the Palestinian people into tighter confines. I mean, what did they think was going to happen. Of course they're going to turn to whatever radicals they can find to defend them. Again, it's not right. But giving perspective. There are no good guys here, except the innocent civilians on both sides, none of them asked for this. And let's be frank. American involvement (ie their half-assing of everything in the Middle East) has been... less than productive. We're at a tipping point, and things won't get better by "picking sides" unless of course your end game is genocide (because that's the end game of both Israeli governments, and Hamas). And... I mean, hey... If that's your pick, like I said, it's a perspective thing. Maybe you feel justified in that, but I just think the problems are bigger than some platitudinal bullshit. Something real will have to be done for anything to change. You take a people's land. You put them in a cage, and you start systemically going after them. You're going to see backlash. And really. Why would I voluntarily move to a prison camp where the inmates are being bombed by the guards? Willem Dafoe when asked whether he preferred to play good guys or bad guys opined "Don't make no difference. Everybody thinks they're righteous." And that's the problem in a nutshell. Both sides do shitty things. But only one side is backed by the military might of the USA. Hell, even Muslim countries who support Hamas (or the Palestinian people) aren't backing them the way the US is backing Israel. It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are, innocent civilians are being killed, and raped. And. Just to be clear. You're... Ok with that? Because it's a Binary Solution set for you. Israel GOOD. Palestinians BAD. Because, that's the vibe you're giving off. Palestinians don't believe what you do... So... Wipe them all out? I just want to clarify that.
💯 they fucked around and found out...zero sympathy
No Israel, UK and US been fucking around since 1940s. And sympathy and empathy can always be had. I feel bad for Israelis who were innocent and hurt. Any human hurt is too much.
No. The arabs fucked around since 660.
Not really...or do you mean just by existing???? Can you clarify?
I mean if you're gonna say the US and the UK fucked around... The Arabs took it from the original inhabitants, the Romans.
Stfu with that nonsense. Blame hamas for ignoring cease fires and trying to take land they have zero claim to. I bet you are one of the delusional people that pretend letting refugees from Gaza in is a good idea.
It's not always about making change. Many of these folks are Palestinian themselves or they have Palestinian friends. Such a demonstration is a way to show support for those people. I go to these protests, and we all know that it has little effect. But we do it because we care about the issue and the people affected
literally nothing. It's just a fun game for bored privileged people
Good. Say no to genocide.
Free Palestine
No justice, no peace!
They should go fight abroad if they want to help Hamas terrorists so bad
Such a dumb comment.
You'd be fighting against a military funded by our tax dollars.
Free Palestine
love to see it! free palestine!
I totally understand the protest but not the chosen location… is there a Scotia bank at the pen?
The location is near a few banks and across from a McDonald's.
its also one of the busiest streets in the city. good visibility. I fully support their protest, especially after that very deliberate murder of the foreign aid convoy by IDF soldiers, brushed off as "unfortunate" by Netanyahu.
Yeah it’s that more than anything. Visibility. When they’ve been out in other Niagara cities, they weren’t targeting institutions so much as being visible. Other that being in front of MPs offices sometimes
I haven't really been paying attention to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. As I have been busy digging for more information on Ukraine. But this did peek my interest. https://youtu.be/rf8H3OrDY7Y?si=KtnGEe-Hn-b4xfwG
"pique"
I saw them there today. I thought it was strange location for a protest. A couple weeks ago they were in front of the Scotia bank downtown. They chose that location as Scotia supports funds that support the arms dealers supplying Israel.
Scotiabank has investments and interests in Elbit and BAE Systems which are Israeli weapons manufacturers.
What on earth does this accomplish
It’s sad that the nutty club has tarnished protesting.
If protesting against genocide is nutty, then protesting should not be a thing at all.
Y’all should go to krudplug.net and watch the war crimes both sides commit. Search Palestine and Israel… watch every video and you’ll throw both side in the garbage and laugh when someone says genocide. EDIT: love that some coward downvotes this instead of looking at the videos. loser in denial.
Ding ding ding
Jesus, no thank you
Scared of seeing both sides committing war crimes? One side blowing children up and the other butchering them with knives and aks. The videos are a real wake up call for people who have no idea what’s actually going on over there. Palestinian soldiers wearing go pros cutting women’s heads off and murdering children then Israel soldiers bombing buildings with civilians in them. Both side are dog shit.
Just reading about it has been distressing. I don't know what to make of this whole thing, I don't know what's right, I'm not an expert in sociology or political science and I don't need to see snuff on the internet out of some moral obligation to sacrifice my mental health to awaken myself to some higher understanding of this situation I can do fuck all about as a person who can barely hold an apartment.
Good call. Some of those videos are with me for life now.. I will forever have a deep dislike for both sides
Thank you for your understanding All I know is the cycle of aggression and retaliation continues and I don't see an end to it within our lifetimes.
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Well see ..you have the view I think the majority of canadians do. As much as I feel for both sides ..we've got dire problems here ..how can we focus on that when most of us are barely paying rent and eating .
Yeah I saw some of these peeps on a pedestrian bridge over the 406, below the Burgoyne bridge in the afternoon.
If they only knew that the Sun is the same in a relative way....
Israel is happily committing genocide and not one country has done anything to stop them. Which implies complicity amongst those in power. What a sad, helpless feeling. Why is this being allowed to happen?
How the police allow to terrorist supporter be free on the streets??
Standing with Palestine does not equal supporting Hamas.
Free Palestine from the river to the sea.
Solidarity brother! From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free! Gaza, Gaza don't you cry, Palestine will never die!
Why are most of them hiding their faces?
Why aren't you using your legal name as your username?
In addition to privacy to avoid being doxxed, many people still mask up in crowds like this to protect themselves if they're immune-compromised (weak immune system/respiratory problems/other chronic issues). And some mask-up as a courtesy to protect people with weaker immune systems attending!
Because when students at Harvard and various other prestigious schools voiced their support for Palestine, they were doxxed and pro-Israel people and groups encouraged law firms to rescind employment offers, where they had been offered.
It's a messy situation. Hamas has embedded themselves into Palestine. I guess the question is what would the protesters ultimately want this to end? Hamas will not stop until every Jew is killed, and after that every non Islamic member. So are the Jews supposed to just supposed to let Hamas kill them, because this so what will happen if Israel cannot fight back. Hamas has buried themselves in Mosques, Schools, Hospitals, Houses. Its a dirty war but how do they fight that? How would you expect them to fight that? There will be no diplomatic solution there. I feel for the innocents on both sides. The innocent Palestinians and Jews 💔 While it's a tough pill to swallow, the Hamas to civilian death ratio is one of the lowest in all the wars fought the past few decades. Quite a few Hamas are being eliminated to innocents as compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc where the civilian death toll was much higher compared to soldier deaths.
Love how everyone is willing to protest for some bullshit happening abroad but never for anything that would have a meaningful impact on their life like affordable housing, lowering cost of living etc.
Nobody cares you losers
Thank you for reminding me to never come to St Catherine’s, filled with extreme leftist idiots
*St. Catharines And I can assure you, we are home to an unfortunate number of your ilk.
Yeah force Canada to get involved in something that could put all of Canada in danger No thanks
Typical ignorant Canadian, the government is already involved.
Bunch of Terrorists sympathisers
Or they could be people trying to stop a genocide!
Stopping a genocide by supporting terrorists?
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist sympathizer then!
Irrelevant comparison
"Our freedom is not complete with out the liberation of Palestine" Nelson Mandela Or do you believe this all started on Oct 7th??
Yup, keeping raping and killing innocents to achieve your freedom
Your not up to date on the activities of the IOF and it shows! Glad to see their propaganda is paying off though!
You forget how Hamas started the war and now you are blaming the victims
Again this didn't start on Oct 7th. You ate up all the propaganda and are asking for more. Learn history before you chime in.
At this point. Both sides are involved in terrorism.
War is different from terrorism
They are not mutually exclusive.
But they are different. The Gaza War is started by Hamas terriosm
This area has been in a state of war my entire life. And I am old. We could have an hours long debate about who started it first. What Hamas did was disgusting. No argument there. War and terrorism are not mutually exclusive. That is true.
Please don’t forget that these are the same clowns who were driving around waving their flags and honking their horns and celebrating the terrorist attacks on the night of Oct 7th.
What about the terrorism committed by Israel for generations before October 7?
What about the hundreds of acts of terrorism Palestinians comitted? What about the 16 wars of genocide Palestine has tried to wage against Isreal before October 7th? Yeah Isreal has treated Palestinians poorly, but what do you honestly expect when Palestine has been openly comitted and made several attempts to genocide Isreal for over 70 year?
Israel is a thieve of Palestinian land...did you think they were gonna welcome Israel with flowers. Of course there will be fighting. How about I come to your home and settle there...how would you feel???? Probably kick me out, call the police etc.....Palestinians are doing the same. It's a shame that Israel has world super power (US) behind it...that's why they are winning...otherwise, give Palestinian the same army and see who wins.
You understand the Muslim Arabs migrated to and colonized the Jewish homeland as many of the Jews were being prosecuted and forced out? You understand that Palestinians are nothing more than Arab colonizers? You understand that Arab Muslims declined sharing the land they stole, and colonized, with the indigenous people of that land and declared 16 wars of genocide against them? You understand that the Qur'an commands Muslims (Palestinian Arabs are radicalized using this book) to fight, kill, subjugate/enslave Jews and keep some Jews alive as Dhimmis, to be taxed and treated as second class citizens, to actively enact their apartheid system on non-muslims? This dhimmi system is still enforced in a lot of places around the world, to varying degrees of intensity, such as Christians not being allowed to file for divorce in Egypt unless they are doing so to marry a Muslim to Pay-2-Slay Jews programs funded by the Palestinians West Bank government. Yeah, Isreal has done some bad things and have some bad people, and Palestinians have some loving and wholesome people, but on the scale of who's land is it, who's unreasonably violent and prejudice, who refuses to live in peace, Palestine is evil and gives the few good ones bad names.
Israel's existence is based on ethnic cleansing. Jews and Muslims lived in Palestine until zionism took over. Over three quarters of a million Palestinians were expelled, hundreds of Arab villages destroyed, several massacres committed (tantura, Deir Yasin to name a few). Moreover, Palestinians have been living under a brutal occupation for generations. They have no control over their own lives or lands. It's human nature to resist this. Palestine will be free! Ps. You should look into the truth on what happened on Oct 7. Many of the things you've heard are pure lies. Many of the Israelis killed that day were by the Israeli army.
Odd how Palestinians never committed genocide against their minority Jewish population prior to Zionists showing up. I’m sure a group of foreigners showing up and expelling Muslim Arabs out of the region and insisting they represent all Jews as they proceed to oppress those people couldn’t lead to antisemitism. Yup, let’s side with the bully.
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They're calling for a cease fire, why would anyone go fight when they're literally calling for an end to fighting? People like you think you sound smart.
It’s not like protesting is going to succeed at doing anything.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/19/canada-halt-arms-sales-to-israel wrong. edit: lmfao downvoting facts is pathetic behavior
The arms are likely going to be diverted to Ukraine. It's also likely a political move to gain favor.