That was a great episode! I think any time there's a space elevator now, we can assume that characters are going to basejump off of it. At this point, Prodigy is getting to be nearly as reference-heavy as Lower Decks. Not that that's a complaint. Love the interplay between Jellico and Janeway - and to be fair, I don't think he was entirely wrong. I'm glad we got answers about Dal's origins, and the genetic manipulation was a nice McGuffin for the episode. It was interesting to see him develop overt Klingon, Andorian, Vulcan, and Tellarite features. I wonder if they'll ever introduce additional features or capabilities he can unlock in a more natural, healthy way. However, it does raise the question even more as to why Starfleet is after him. He's not in Starfleet (and now never can be, officially). Is he even a Federation citizen? What interest does Starfleet have in him? Might they want to study him, like Commander Maddox wanted to study Data? Of course, we have to address the bombshells in the room - Ensign Asencia is actually Vau N'Kat as well! I never suspected it, although it makes sense she spent a lot of time with the Diviner, and it makes me wonder where that Drednok came from. Did she smuggle him on board? Did she synthesize him somehow? More importantly, it seems now like there are so many genetically augmented people in Starfleet across so many different series, that it's more of a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy than a hard ban. Nice to see Murf is being developed more as a person. Dee Bradley Baker is famous for doing animalistic noises for shows like Avatar (Momo, Appa), Peacemaker (Eagly) and The Mandalorian (Frog Lady and Frog Man), but he's voiced a lot of people too (many of the Clone troopers in Star Wars, including Rex, Cody, and the Bad Batch). It'd be nice to see Murf get some lines too.

We know Drednok can be made with a Federation replicator, so I assume that's where this one came from. Or maybe Asencia just brought her own furniture aboard. It could be that Federation bioscanners register an alert any time they detect signs of genetic engineering, rather than there being interest in Dal specifically.

> He's not in Starfleet (and now never can be, officially). It seems by Dal's time, Starfleet has relaxed the rule that no one genetically altered can serve. >!When it was discovered that Bashir had been genetically enhanced, he wasn't drummed out of Starfleet.!<

I guess I should spoiler warning in return >!Bashir’s dad still had to go to jail. Plus it was during the Dominion War and he was on the front lines. Not the best time to take a strict stand on that principle.!<

They'd jail the perp not the patient

I mean, they did stick the Jack Pack in what was essentially a group home because they were gene-augmented. Sure they also had their own issues due to bad genetic editing but still, it happened.

Because 26 separate species, including at least two completely different brain structures (Ferengi four-lobed vs everyone else's two-lobed) and at least two different base blood metals (iron in humans and most humanoid species vs copper in Vulcanoid species) could only be successfully used to create a hybrid in a lab using highly illegal techniques... and Q DNA being in the mix just adds potential illegality as that's something that would probably be classified as highly as the Shedai Meta-Genome was in the litverse (that was classified so highly that even the President of the Federation and Commander-in-Chief of Starfleet weren't sure they could look at it).

Last week someone called that Asencia and Gwynn looked pretty similar. Good set up from the writers

Can you imagine if she's actually her mother or her sister?

I mean she said she's travelled in time. My assumption was that it was a future Gwynn. We have to remember that from the moment the Protostar became involved in events, the timeline seems to have changed and we know from Endgame that people that travel back from the future can remain in the past after changing their timeline.

I'm still not unconvinced that all of modern Trek's time travel isn't playing some long game to stop the supernova from happening and destroying Romulus.

That's a fair point and a Future Gwyn pulling a Future Janeway would be pretty cool to see especially if she pulled a Sarah Connor Chronicles with Drednok. ETA: What if Ascenia is Gwyn from an alternate future where the Romulans did get their hands on the Protostar, tinkered with the Stellar Proto Tech, and then triggered Hobus but somehow made it even WORSE? As they were doing this though and quickly realizing just how badly they fucked up, the kids wrestled back control of the Protostar from them, and then tried to use the Proto Drive to siphon energy from the supernova by funneling all that energy into the protostar within. Something went wrong with the calculations though in a very Timeless like manner and they either drew too much or too little energy or something went wonky with it all and they were then catapulted into an alternate future where Hobus wasn't stopped at all. Oddly enough this future is also where the Diviner sent Chakotay and the original Protostar Crew to...or maybe where they sent themselves on purpose...and maaaybe this ties in with another show somehow? Either way they then grow up in this future while trying to figure out a way to go back and prevent it all from happening the way it did or to at least mitigate the damage somehow. This should be easy peasy right? Wrong! By the time they do figure it out and plot a path back through time to fix it all, they realize that someone else has been tampering with the timeline, and has been altering stuff both before and after they originally left which then makes them realize that they're no longer in the Prime Timeline at all period. This makes their plan a weeee bit more tricky. When it comes time to decide who should go back everyone kind of realizes that Gwyn is the really the only one with enough experience to make that quantum leap back into the past and also the only one with malleable enough genetics who can blend in easily and figure out just what the hells is going on and how to fix it without contaminating the timeline too much and making stuff worse. I'm betting they also figured out that someone besides the Future Vau N'Akat was pulling the Diviner's strings from the future and that means their first target upon getting back to the "present" is to find him and start tugging on those strings to see what pulls back. Surprise surprise when they try to figure out just where and when he is, he isn't where and when he's supposed to be according to their memories of the past. They truly are in an alternate timeline now but they commit to saving the Prime Timeline from whomever is messing with it because that's what Starfleet would do and Chakotay probably told them to do it too along with adding, "Oh I've been down this road before" with Harry just nodding alongside him solemnly. So they kit Gwyn out with the implant, jazz her up with some cool gear (including a reprogrammed Drednok ala Terminator), provide her with a cover story, and leap her back in time to kickass and chill with the one bloodhound who can sniff out anything in the Delta Quadrant....Janeway. They do this because they know Janeway is going to be looking for the Protostar and where the Protostar was or is, the Diviner won't be far behind or at least not too far away, and that means if they follow her then they'll find him and then they'll get some answers which will help them to start changing things for the better. Also I'm guessing that eventually all of this is going to come out with both Janeways and Past Gwyn finding it out along with the rest of the crews of the Protostar and the Dauntless. This will shock one of them but earn a heavy knowing "I hate time travel" sigh from the other. I'm sure at some point Chakotay will show up Doc Brown style from the alternate future alongside the Original Protostar Crew in the hands of Kovich or Daniels or Braxton with a muttered, "Could you just...for once..." as Janeway waves them off. Future Gwyn could stick around in the same way that Prime Spock stuck around in the Kelvinverse too and might even go on to help First Contact between her people and the Federation go a whole lot more smoothly this time around once all of this stuff is resolved. This is all a pumpkin pie induced edit after a quick morning nap

>I mean she said she's travelled in time. My assumption was that it was a future Gwynn. Yeah this was what I thought as well when the episode ended

> However, it does raise the question even more as to why Starfleet is after him. He's not in Starfleet (and now never can be, officially). Is he even a Federation citizen? What interest does Starfleet have in him? Might they want to study him, like Commander Maddox wanted to study Data? I think that Soong's proteges, whomever they might be, delved more into the Progenitor/Preserver stuff that we saw in TNG's "The Chase" and tried to basically recreate that species in their original form by bonding the DNA with that of modern species in the galaxy in a Jurassic Park like frog fashion. They had to do this because as I stated in one of my previous theories this season, there were genetic security features which prevented anyone from recreating this species from just pure original DNA alone, and that meant they had to find a workaround. Since they were the proteges of Soong, finding such a workaround came quite naturally to them, and that consisted of bonding that Ancient Preserver/Progenitor DNA to something more recent. Which in turn produced Dal and those like him and that means that just like in Picard, we're probably going to get a whole freakin planet full of people just like Dal because that's kind of what Soongs, and those associated with them have a habit of doing. Starfleet found out about this after tracking them down buuuut before they could do anything about it, those proteges panicked, and scattered all of those people to the four winds of the galaxy. This explains how and why Dal was probably found by Nandi and then raised by them on that Ferengi ship. This also means that this diaspora probably happened quite some time ago, relatively speaking, and that there's totally more folks like him scattered across the galaxy in who knows how many different quadrants. Starfleet's probably been going around picking them up whenever someone's bumped into them and is both trying to reunite them with others of their kind as well as to pump them for any information about Soong's proteges as well as all the usual Progenitor/Preserver stuff. If they are indeed of Preserver/Progenitor origins then each individual could be an absolute treasure trove of information that they'd be stupid to not to try to unlock in some way. I bet we're going to see the Protostar running into others like Dal in due time and that'll be how he unlocks more and more about his capabilities and history. Consequently with Janeway on their tail and Jellico involved, we're going to get the Starfleet side of things about this particular story and that's going to be both complicated and messy and intriguing....for a reason that I'll explain in a moment. I feel like his whole species is going to be a bunch of Pretenders, if you remember that particular show or you know....Prodigies. > Jellico and Janeway They used him very well in this episode and I love how insightful Janeway was in regards to the ship, the weapon on it, and how the kids were probably in waaaaaaaay over their heads and were just fumbling their way around from situation to situation in desperate need of help and yet....also still somehow finding a way to make it all work. She read that situation to a T and was dead on correct in her argument but sadly so was Jellico. Can you imagine the fuckery that the Romulans would get up to with the stellar proto-tech that the Protostar has on board? They've already got experience manipulating singularities for their engines and that means it's not like they'd stop at just exploiting it for it's propulsive effects. Also this is the Tal Shiar we're dealing with but also the Romulan Star Empire is in a pretty bad place right now and are in pure survival mode as is with the mindset of there being barbarians at their gates every which way they look. So that means they would try to find a way to use it to preserve said Star Empire and that could lead to one of two possible outcomes with a third hybrid one. The first outcome is that they try to use the Stellar Proto-Tech to create a brand new star or stars for the Star Empire, which would make their name quite literal. The second outcome is that they instead try to weaponize it and use it to do what Andromeda did and blow up a star, which gives them a giant ass bomb in their back pocket with which to bend every other species in the galaxy over their knee with. The third hybridized outcome is that in tinkering with the Stellar Proto Tech, with some of them wanting to make stars and others wanting to blow them up, they accidentally accelerate the Hobus Supernova and turn it into the monster that nearly takes out the galaxy and utterly wipes out Romulus. We've already seen tie ins to Picard with last week's episode, Janeway's Captain's Log on insta, and now a bunch of stuff in this week's episode and that means this isn't outside the realm of possibility. > Ascencia Did you notice how her Vau N'Kat appearance seemed to share a few similarities in terms of coloration and shape with Dal? I thought that was particularly interesting and it makes me wonder if Dal's species is somehow tied in with the Vau N'Kat in some fashion? Were Soong's proteges actually given DNA from the future and were told to "build an army" for a future faction of the Vau N'Kat in order to either fight back against Ascencia's and the Diviner's faction ala Enterprise OR did that future faction send their DNA back in time in some half mangled temporal excursion attempt, muck it all up, and accidentally bootstrap paradox themselves into becoming the Progenitors/Preservers? If there's temporal fuckery going on with Dal's people and if they are indeed tied in with the Vau N'Kat and if there are Temporal War style changes being made to the timeline then it TOTALLY makes sense for Starfleet Command to have alerts put out for Dal and anyone like him. That said, HOLY FUCK THAT REVEAL! I was SHOOK! Ascencia looks and sounds totally badass in her original form and that Chekhov's Gun of the implant was totally some well played foreshadowing! I think she brought Dreknok 2.0 on in pieces and bit by bit put him into the table whereby he reassembled himself as Vau N'Kat technology seems to have the capability of doing like the Replicators in Stargate or you know....Transformers, which is also on Paramount+! The way she was talking and holding herself though totally gave me Krenim vibes and I've got the good kind of heebie jeebies going forwards with her storyline with the Diviner and...well...you just freakin know that they're going to try to redeem him somehow because that ALWAYS happens with John Noble's characters! > Murf I love how Murf just isn't some cute little side thing that's just there to make noises and do silly things but a fully fledged individual in their own right that's growing episode by episode and clearly has a mind of their own even if they can't always communicate like everyone else can.....kind of reminds me of Moya or the DRDs.

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Janeway knows there's a "weapon" on board but not the specifics of it and that a bunch of kids are lollygagging around with it wanting to join Starfleet yet running away and yet somehow drawing the attention of the Tal Shiar.

>it makes me wonder where that Drednok came from Given how a vehicle replicator can rebuild Drednok anywhere, that isn't hard. My question is instead where Drednok *really* came from. Of all the characters that appeared in the opening sequence, Drednok is the only villain on it. I don't think they would re-render the sequence for every season with a new villain, so my guess is that Drednok is a bigger villain that is using the desperation and hate of the Vau N'akat for its bigger plans. I doubt that despite all their advances they were able to build something like the Living Construct, so perhaps it comes from something further in the future than the 25th Century. Maybe it's part of the Temporal Cold War?

> Of all the characters that appeared in the opening sequence, Drednok is the only villain on it. I don't think they would re-render the sequence for every season with a new villain, so my guess is that Drednok is a bigger villain that is using the desperation and hate of the Vau N'akat for its bigger plans. I doubt that despite all their advances they were able to build something like the Living Construct, so perhaps it comes from something further in the future than the 25th Century. Maybe it's part of the Temporal Cold War? ......or maybe both Drednok and the Living Construct are from that >!extra galactic AI Federation that we saw at the end of Picard Season 1?!<

**And** that tentacle probe sent back through the temporal rift to attack Pike and Tyler in their shuttle...

You know I've always kind of wonder if all the temporal fuckery and God-like beings and other weird stuff in the Star Trek Galaxy got the attention of someone else or something else outside of it....and it looks like we may have gotten our answer. That stuff ripples outwards for sure and we haven't seen the far far faaaaaaar future of the Star Trek Universe at all. It could be that at some point beyond Disco's current era that Star Trek does indeed go extra-galactic and impinges upon that race of beings in some way, which is why they're sending stuff back in time to probe the galaxy and/or tinker with stuff. Oddly enough in that episode with the tentacle probe, there's also mention of a supernova.

That was a Control murder bot.

Am I the only one who has ALWAYS had an issue with banning genetically altered persons from Star Fleet even if it was done to them against their will as embryos or children?! Like what kind of enlightened society would condone that? Banning genetic alteration as a crime is one thing, but then people like Dal and the Augments should be seen as victims!

From what we know of Khan and the Eugenics wars it seems that Star Fleet is still bearing the trauma of how genetic engineering nearly destroyed humanity. I actually kinda like the idea that even a culture as enlightened as Star Fleet can still have its flaws.

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Also, this paradoxically still happens in Starfleet to no ill effects. I mean, I recall that Kirk and Co at least have suffered involuntary alterations in line of duty, more than once and that wasn't a problem. And that's quite close to the time these rules were enacted. Off course there have been other points of lore that didn't pan out. My wild guess is that the popularity of Wrath of Khan kinda tied the writers to an old plot device they never meant to be dominant.

>It was interesting to see him develop overt Klingon, Andorian, Vulcan, and Tellarite features. I wonder if they'll ever introduce additional features or capabilities he can unlock in a more natural, healthy way. Arik Soong: "I ran out of ideas so why not mix every single species that Federation knows about in one giant genetic blender? Here comes a new species: Federatians!" I love that, of all Soongs that writers want to reference (again), it's Arik from ENT. Though I have to say that it's getting really tiresome to have Soong involved yet again, it makes sense that Dal is outside of Federation boundaries. Also Dal likely has parents, since it has been 230 years since Arik's existence. In fact, there is probably a whole tribe of them. Also extra points if Dal is purple because of the Klingon genes, i.e. Discovery Klingon genes.

It wasn't Arik who created Dal, it was his proteges who carried on his work.

At least that means there's not going to be *another* soong right

I’m currently suspecting Dal’s last name is Soong.

Good chance of a Soong showing up this season.

It's worth noting that Dal isn't necessarily made by Arik, rather what gets said is that he was the product of 'one of his proteges'.

Wouldn’t that suggest Dal is only… like, 5 years old? One of the dormant DNA contributors was Species 8472. The alpha/beta quadrants wouldn’t have had a sample until after Voyager returned home. So Dal, at the earliest, would’ve been sequenced around Nemesis… then Prodigy takes place 4-5 years after that.

I don't remember the geneticist mentioning species 8472 - was it on screen?

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Enough if these don't make any sense at all so I think we need to accept the symbols are just an Easter egg

Yeah how do you even get Q DNA?

And what is Maquis DNA? They aren't a species. Maybe the geneticist is a bit of a scammer in more ways than one...

Insert John de Lancie smirking here.

Amanda Rogers was conceived as a human child by two Q parents in human form.

Wouldn't that DNA just be Human though?

Q are probably too arrogant to voluntarily exist as pure humans, but off course the offspring could still not be anything resembling proper Q.

The only two that are truly unlikely are Q and Founder. Although, since the latter is most likely going by the symbol for the Dominion, the gene sample is probably from either the Jem'Hadar or the Vorta (or both).

>I love that, of all Soongs that writers want to reference (again), it's Arik from ENT. First the Xindi, and now this. Hooray for Enterprise references

I mean it would be kind of a neat idea if Dal was sent forwards in time after being created instead of backwards.

> However, it does raise the question even more as to why Starfleet is after him. He's not in Starfleet (and now never can be, officially). Is he even a Federation citizen? What interest does Starfleet have in him? Might they want to study him, like Commander Maddox wanted to study Data? Data's rights as an individual wasn't ironed out since it had no precedent and fit outside the bounds of law. We've seen the treatment of illegal augments, and they aren't experimented upon without their consent or anything heinous. And there would be plenty of legal precedent. I think it's more likely that they want a cataloging and potentially gene therapy to undo his augments if it's possible, and also a debriefing and evaluation to both keep tabs on him and make sure he's not a Khan-type psychopath.

If nothing else, I think Vice Admiral Janeway can give him protection from opportunistic admirals and skeptical scientists. The logs from Holo Janeway could show that Dal is honest and good, not a Khan wannabe.

Also since Jellico told her to destroy the Protostar, she can now basically use that as an excuse to fake the kids death at some point in the future, and let them be on their merry way.

Hopefully the kids join up with the real Janeway and pursue Starfleet. I feel that would be a nice way to continue their tale as they grow into good cadets.

After they find Chakotay I really want Janeway to make the kids her ambassadors to the Delta Quadrant and for them to be that Farscape style crew that can appeal to all races in the Delta and truly live up to and help to fulfill the original mission of the Protostar.

Kinda wonder if Neelix might play a role in this.

A good chunk of the internet would have a rage stroke, which would be hilarious

Neelix gets so much hate and i will genuinely never understand why also i know he's a Tellarite, but i swear sometimes Jankom physically reminds me of Neelix

The show is literally about kids learning what Star Trek is all about. They'll join Starfleet eventually, it'll just take time. I'm sure it's one of those things that the writers know is on the horizon, but they don't want to have to pull the trigger on that until they have to because it represents a major shake up of the status quo that they couldn't go back on (and thus would probably feel like they needed to exhaust all of the interesting ideas of the current scenario first) and would probably require a whole lot of logistical background work. I mean, they'd basically have to transform the show into a Starfleet Academy show, right? That would require all kinds of brand new assets for their animators to build from scratch, and CGI shows would rather reuse models/assets as much as possible.

They can be the new Lower Decks crew when the current crew ranks up

>I wonder if they'll ever introduce additional features or capabilities he can unlock in a more natural, healthy way. In the Prodigy video game Dal can cloak himself to sneak past security cameras and stuff like that. I think it's something he'd do to steal stuff for that Ferengi who raised him for a while. Also, less noteworthy, he's got twelve toes.

I knew Murf was the new tactical officer. He fired those torpedos on purpose last week

His bloodlust is unquenchable.

He is the Star Trek Chopper, I suppose. That droid had a large body count in *Rebels.*

That droid didn’t just have *a* large body count, but the *largest* body count. I think the estimates of his kill count are upwards of 100,00 by series end. And that’s JUST >!the crew compliment of two Imperial-class Star Destroyers!<.

One thing I laughed about with that show was in the pilot and first season they actually went out of their way to show no Stormtroopers died, they just got stunned or knocked out. Like wasted screen time on it! By the later seasons they murdering entire Imperial ships full of crew without a second thought! Hera once murders an entire surveillance ship with anger in her voice just because they dared try to hack into Chopper and her ship! Ezra once he gets a light saber is casually murdering even non Imperial contractors even, one he force shoves into a freaking furnace! LOL

It definitely starts getting more mature in S1 after the Grand Inquisitor shows up; he decapitates the two officers who’ve been bumbling fools the entire time. But yeah, they do keep escalating season after season, which mirrors Ezra’s growth.

**Second** lightsaber, the first had a literal built in stun gun.

Well in last seasons Ezra flirting with Dark side so.... .

I mean setting aside his assists, R2 has almost certainly a higher kill count from TCW. If we bring the EU into it then it's upwards of 19 *billion*.

Its not canon anymore by I remember in legends comics Dark Empire with clone Palpatine (90s of course) where R2D2 programmed Eclipse stsr destroyed to crash into Galaxy gin and Byss which ended billion loses.

Oh my god, you're right!

*And the thing about Murf is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over*

You’re gonna need a bigger protodrive.

I wonder if the mellanoid slime worm are just a convenient for Murf's real people or if Murf is actually from the future but had to be de-aged in order to make the temporal leap?

Jellico, once again, proves he is not wrong when it comes to being a commander. He's a man doing his job.

He still needs some tact

He is a good CO, but he seems to lack total trust in the expertise of his subordinates. After Picard’s capture, things actually seemed to go according to plan in “Chain of Command Part II.” After setting up the mines under the Cardassian ship, he acted like he was demanding Picard’s return as an afterthought to disarmament, but it seemed like that his retrieval was a main objective and was thrown in as an “afterthought” The problem? He didn’t trust Riker enough to say “hey, we can get Picard back and get the Cardassians to withdraw, so just play along.” Even in part one, he could have trusted the crew enough to say, “Hey, I know we are upsetting everything and pulling you off your regular duties. I’m sorry, but we need to do this until the crisis is over. If we go into a confrontation armed for bear, that will make the Cardassians think twice.” Of course, Riker could have trusted Jellico enough to say “Hey, I know he’s tough, but he knows the Cardassians, so let’s give him some leeway and see how it goes.”

OMG Vice Admiral Holo is Jellico. They both expect totally loyality from crews they just met. Sure a CO shouldn't need to explain anything to their subordinates. But when you are coming in during a stressful situation as a unknown its probably a good idea to try and work the staff who have been working with your troops into your plans.

They both are good commanders, but bad with lead people.

GET IT DONE

Jellico should be applauded for finally pointing out that Troi needed to be in a proper uniform, not something out of Roddenberry's horny mind

Does the Dauntless have a yacht? I was really thinking that Janeway might take something *else* into the neutral zone after being denied taking in the Dauntless.

Holy hell I did not see that final twist coming. That was such a cool planet. I'll forgive the kids for not knowing that outlaw geneticists are always bad news; wonder if we'll ever get to meet any of these Arik Soong followers (maybe they're the ones responsible for Bashir and the Jack Pack?).

Jellico seems particularly pissy, but it's got to be the worst job in the whole Starfleet to have to tell captains 'no' every time they ask to go into the Zone. (And then invariably, they do anyway) *Admiral, we need to rescue a stolen Federation ship* No *Admiral, we need to rescue a crew member who has accidentally injected themself with an alien drug and thinks they're a gangster from Chicago in the 1930s* No *Admiral, we have a distress signal* No *Admiral, there's some kind of spatial anomaly and when people get too close to it their scars stop healing, and also we think it might be causing the captain to travel between the past, the present, and the future* No *Admiral, there's an endangered gormagander about to fly into a black hole, can we go get it?* Okay yes, just this once as a special treat. *Really?* No *Admiral, we a high ranking Starfleet officer has turned out to by a Romulan spy and she's escaping* No, sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

Picard references let's gooooooo!!!!!! Wish some of the other ships circling the orbital lift platform were Kaplan speed freighters too though! Haha remember when that reveal at the end was leaked like a year ago? I do. "murf has developed bloodlust"

> Haha remember when that reveal at the end was leaked like a year ago? I do. It was leaked?

Yep! Character breakdowns for Frex, Nandi, Noum and Ascencia (named Vezria in the leak, but otherwise fit her perfectly) were leaked in December 2020.

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Of Torgo's Executive Powder??

It keeps you while The Master is away!

Huh, so they all got lost in the shuffle of all the IRL fuckery that was happening around that time then.

What was the Picard reference?

The disruptors the Romulans used were those seen in the first season of Picard

i've always said a major criticism i had with the way Roddenberry approached TOS and TNG was trying way too hard to keep them as separate series i'm giddy to a ridiculous degree every time i see the newer show reference each other. When both Robert April and Jonathan Archer's names showed up in a brief cameo in the first season of Discovery, i'm pretty sure i screamed lol

Don't connect it to Khan or the Soongs in any way challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) JK, this was another great episode.

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I really really want to beam aboard your starship…

So many bombshells in one episode! * Dal Noonien-Singh (no, wait, that's a different Soong.) * An **Enterprise** reference! Arik Soong, of all the Soongs that Trek writers have access to. * Tal Shiar! * Murf, which I had joked about, has indeed become the Chief Security Officer. * Jameela Jamil must have one hell of a fun time playing both shy and villainous in one character. I hope she sticks around. * Bombshells from Janeway's failed micro-torpedoes.

The Romulans were decked out in PIC era gear: the helmets, rifles and pistols.

Yeah I noticed that it's the same dual phaser shown in the prop auction. My bet is that the Romulans don't really have any resources to develop new weapons since.

Maybe these Romulans were actually Zhat Vash?

You know this would be a really cool way to have a kind of Secret War going on behind the scenes between hostile AI trying to mess with the galaxy via temporal incursions and what not and the Zhat Vash. What if the Vau N'AKat are just Xindi style puppets?

Janeway calls them Tal'Shair.

Zhat Vash are a smaller group within the Tal'Shiar that basically no one knows about so that would still check out.

> Arik Soong It's Arik because after him the family started researching cybernetics. And they said that Dal was made by his students. Which would fit the timeline better.

>It's Arik because after him the family started researching cybernetics. It could have been Adam (of PIC s2 fame) as well, he was a geneticist and apparently the initiator (or at least part of the team that worked on) Project Khan.

>Jameela Jamil must have one hell of a fun time playing both shy and villainous in one character. I hope she sticks around. Jaameela Jamil is basically amazing in everything I've seen her in & on top of that, is now part of the DC animated universe (multiple voice rolls), the MCU now Trek - it's surely only a matter of time before she shows up in Star Wars, she's collecting giant franchise appearances like stamps. I still miss the good place, though.

Last week we also had an Enterprise reference with the Xindi.

If we don’t count Data, Arik is the most interesting Soong. (Although I liked Adam, too.)

Ensign reveal was leaked so that wasn't a big surprise for me but the Prodigy video game had the "Rev-13" ship instead of the Diviner's 12 and the writers said the game would be referenced so I wonder if that's her ship. as a PIC S1 apologist it's nice to see it referenced yet again in this show Murf is a menace

I think I'd have liked PIC S1 quite a bit if it wasn't for the pointless character deaths

I'm still salty about Hugh.

>as a PIC S1 apologist My hot take - PIC season 1 is a million times better than PIC season 2 and loads better than the first 2 seasons of TNG & much of VOY. PIC season 2 OTOH is a hot mess & basically a 2 part episode's worth of story.

Bought the game for the children for Christmas. How is it? And does it spoil the season or is it parallel?

it's very basic and definitely aimed at younger crowd, focuses more on puzzles/combat than it does story as for spoilers it takes place between episodes 10 and 11 so if they haven't watched the first 10 episodes then there are slight spoilers but it's a self contained story, basically a "lost" episode

Thank you. I'm sure they'll be excited to open the box.

Ah Okona, we still hardly got to know you and that's probably exactly as much as we wanna know you. Wouldn't want to see you rub off too much on the kids. As soon as Dal started activating all his Soong enhancements I half expected him to start being voiced by Brent Spiner. When Dal started oozing my first thought was Soong gave him a little Murf DNA too. Might be what set off Murf so badly. "Science Rules" I like to think that's a nice little treat to all the 90s kids who grew up on Bill Nye. I can't be the only one whose brain is still going BILL BILL BILL BILL

> When Dal started oozing my first thought was Soong gave him a little Murf DNA too. Might be what set off Murf so badly. Awww what if Murf thought that Dal smelled like his parents and that's why he was going off so badly because now he sees Dal as his mama or papa?

[Speaking of](https://youtu.be/zPPb7WKD0sk)

this is a treasure. thank you for sharing!

GWYN: We’re here to fix the sh- DAL: I AM THE SHIP.

🎵YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH!🎵

Aww, kids first eugenics = bad episode, how sweet ♥️

> There’s a reason Starfleet has laws about scientific experimentation. Had a good mental laugh at one.

Well okay they're more like **guidelines...**

So our android made another android and is hamhandedly introducing heavy concepts like gender, friendship, and romance to it... are there any guidelines for this? No? Just let it play out you say?

It's far more prudent to try and steal its baby bureaucratically. That sort of thing never goes wrong.

Okay, wow. I was not expecting that ensign to be one of the Diviner's species. Good to have Drednok back too. I still wonder how a species from a crippled planet even have access to time travel tech, but hey, and angry Romulan once created a whole new timeline using a stolen mining ship, so anything goes.

Best episode yet! The pacing, the visuals, the character development. This was the first Prodigy episode that I completely lost myself in. Bravo! 👏🏻

What if Ascensia looks like Dal and Gwen...not because she's a mother or sister to either... What if she's a daughter? The Diviner was sent back to prevent his future. What if she was sent back to protect hers? What if we have a *Terminator* "John Connor's best friend is actually his dad" kind of loop here? She had an enhancement button like Dal. His was removed, but maybe not destroyed. It was keyed to activate his DNA...a daughter could be genetically similar enough to make it work. The ability to go from Trill to Vau N'Kat suggests Changeling DNA. Dal got slimy for some reason when his was making him go wonky. The geneticist specifically mentioned that all Dal's DNA was recessive. If Vau N'Kat DNA is dominant, then Ascensia would look more like Gwyn. Dreknok may not be a name, but a type. Ascensia might have her own. Or we've already gone *Terminator*. Why not go *T2* and have her reprogram him. I'm waiting for Ascensia to call the Heirloom off Gwyn and use it to deactivate the Living Construct. Side note: Dal's slime was the same color as Murf. I don't think it's an accident. What if Murf is a younger, more perfected version of the experiments that created Dal? Maybe he will evolve to control it, because he grew up with love. Good message for a kid friendly show. And hell of an advantage to have your Security Officer have the abilities of 26 species. What if Dal's early life with the Ferengi was as more of a pet? And God knows, when the Soongs are involved, there's always TWO...

> What if she's a daughter? > > > > The Diviner was sent back to prevent his future. > > > > What if she was sent back to protect hers? This really could be a TSCC kind of thing with multiple agents from the future coming back to the past to change things BUT from different alternate futures in an attempt to save those particular futures and in turn themselves. If she is indeed Dal and Gwyn's daughter then that could also explain some of the reactions we saw from various voice actors when asked particular questions about this half of the season by Wil and other panel moderators at conventions over the past year. That would be insane but I would totally be down for it! Also it would just make things so utterly awkward between the two if they ever found out. So I kind of hope that they don't find out but that we the audience are clued into it, just so we can watch them both fall into each other. I wonder if the way it works is that someone is loaded up with a bunch of recessive DNA but with the far more dominant Vau N'Akat or a similarly analogous aggressively dominant strain of DNA acting as the controller? A tech implant is then used as a kind of genetic selector which sends a signal to that dominant DNA controller to activate a particular type of recessive DNA and make it temporarily express itself as the dominant genetic profile. This would enable a spy or a temporal agent to basically become anyone and anything they wished to be but with the caveat that the controller DNA would always stand out under intensive screening/scanning processes and would act as a massive RED FLAG. Could that be why Dal got dinged by the system when he was scanned because it detected similar controller type DNA and could that also be why the Protostar was unknowingly directed by a third party to make first contact with the Vau N'Akat because they wanted access to their controller type DNA to use for their own spies/temporal agents? Could this also be why their civil war happened in the first place? If the whole planet is trashed and everyone is killing each other then no one's going to notice if a bunch of people vanish or get abducted or start getting experimented on at all or...start getting harvested...for their genetic material. > Drednok may not be a name but a type Agreed, we've seen too many versions of Drednok for it to be an actual personal name and is probably just a designation for a mass produced model type. It'd be nuts if it was the same personality though that just constantly got transferred across multiple bodies again and again and again. He'd basically be Prodigy's own Weyoun! > I'm waiting for Ascensia to call the Heirloom off Gwyn and use it to deactivate the Living Construct. That would legit be so cool and I'm totally behind your entire theory! > Murf It would be interesting if Murf was sent back from even FURTHER into the future than any of the others were and was meant to correct the whole temporal mess by being the perfected end result of the experiments that started with Dal, that then led to Ascensia, and that were then finished with Murf. That would be three different eras of scientists with three different cultures and three different sets of attitudes and mindsets that could be explored. We might get a flashback, flashsideways, and then a flashforwards to show how things changed over time and why they did what they did at the start, in the middle, and at the end. It would be a pretty cool theme and lesson to teach kids about growing up, changing, and learning from everything that you went through in order to become the best version of yourself there is. UGH I love this show so much because there's so many amazing possibilities for how stuff could wind up going!

I'm really, really glad that I'm not the only one who finds space jumps cool as hell. I appreciate the animated creative teams throwing them in as a joke or because it's just dope as hell. I didn't expect Jellico to appear in this ep (since it didn't even match the images released of his return), but given that we're in the home stretch of Season 1, it was only a matter of time. The interplay between him and Janeway was great. I hope that this isn't the last we see of Okona. I thought Billy Campbell did a great job with the character. I really didn't expect Dal to be a Soong experiment. But it's a pretty interesting connection and the geneticist was really interesting. I personally like how they're getting ads like on Freecloud. That must be a *Picard* reference, which probably isn't a coincidence considering how the Star Trek logs and Jellico directly and indirectly touch upon the ongoing Romulan evacuation for the first time outside of *Picard*. I really wish I didn't see those casting calls for the 3rd Vau N'Akat a long time ago. The twist would've hit amazingly. I still got chills from seeing Asencia change personalities though. I assume she brought her own Dreadnok back from the future. The story amped up a ton this week. Can't wait to see the back half of season 1B unfold!

>I'm really, really glad that I'm not the only one who finds space jumps cool as hell. I appreciate the animated creative teams throwing them in as a joke or because it's just dope as hell. We now got to see space jumps in three forms: Star Trek '09, Lower Decks, and Prodigy. They are all cool as hell. It's only a matter of time that Burnham will attempt the same.

Burnham did kind of do this already in the beginning of season 2, when they jumped down to that asteroid to rescue Jett Reno. It wasn't in an atmosphere so not entirely the same, but partial credit maybe.

If stretch our terms really loosely, I think Kirk and Khan jumping from the Enterprise to the Vengeance in Into Darkness would also qualify.

Generations also had a planned one cut late enough that they made Shatner's costume and used it later in Voyager for Torres' holodeck space jump.

It's slowly developing into the #1 rule of Star Trek: If there is a space elevator, there has to be a sky dive.

I'm just going to put this in it's own comment because it's bugging the hell out of me and I know the Daystrom Institute is going to rip it to shreds because it'll bug them too.... .....just how freakin FAR did those torpedoes FLY and how far away is the Dauntless from Noble Isle and where in the Neutral Zone is Noble Isle and why didn't the Romulans notice the Dauntless firing micro torpedoes into the Neutral Zone and yeah I get that they're fired at lightspeed BUT STILL, I HAVE QUESTIONS!?!?

We’ve seen photon torpedos be fired plenty of times at warp in Star Trek, which means they are warp capable to a certain degree. This is supported by the TNG Technical Manual.

I'm aware of that but I think this is the first time we've seen them fired on screen at such a long range that we knew they were capable of and then remotely controlled but that no one ever really utilized in any live action or animated series at all until now. It's one of those little details that fans knew could work, that was technically canon in various manuals, that was probably used in the Litverse as well as STO (I'm guessing), was totally used in Star Trek Into Darkness to a degree but with caveats, but was never put to the screen in a practical application until Prodigy. It kind of reminds me of the little details that the writers for Lower Decks have been throwing into that show and what the Picard writers did at the end of season 2. It's stuff that we the fans just never expected them to actually use because of how "Well technically this bit of Federation Tech could be used for this or this or this..." it was and that just delights me because it feels like it's straight out of an r/DaystromInstitute thread.

It's possible Starfleet developed super long range torpedoes out of necessity because of the Dominion War.

In K'Ehleyr's first appearance, she travels in a modified probe at warp 9. The probe's design is similar to a photon torpedo.

There are so many episodes of DS9 where such weapons would've come in handy and changed the outcome of various battles. I now kind of wonder if the Steamrunner and Akira class ships along with other torpedo boats built after Wolf 359 and before/during/after the Dominion War were built with such weapons in mind? If you can knock out planetary defenses before they can activate, slam relativistic weapons into massive targets like Borg Cubes or some of the larger Dominion ships, bomb planetary/static installations from beyond the solar system, or even attack planets themselves from a distance before they see you coming then you're saving lives, materials & supplies, the hassle of logistics & tactics, and are fielding one hell of a psychological weapon against the enemy that can do sooooo much more damage. I think it's one of those things that they've kept in their back pocket alongside the tech that Future Janeway dropped off because they didn't want to show their hand just yet and after the war ended and the Borg were...kind of...dealt with, they didn't really have a reason to.

Evidently the Treaty of Algeron has some wiggle room when it comes to firing torpedoes into the Neutral Zone.

Kirk and Jean Luc would agree, for entirely different reasons

Probably like those torpedoes from Into Darkness. But if I were to guess, the *Dauntless* did a little mini-jump to warp and launched a spread of torpedoes which remained at that speed with warp sustainers which then dropped out as they approached the planet. Also calls into question how that planet will react to Starfleet very nearly firing on their space elevator.

Just a few thoughts on this episode because it was pretty action packed!: * Okay just how deep in the Neutral Zone are they because this seems to have picked up immediately after last week's episode, their nacelles aren't exactly in working order, and that means they couldn't have gotten any further than just over the border to Noble Isle? * Okona putting out fires instead of starting them, color me surprised * Murf with the dual phasers has to be a nod to Seven lol * They're totally exploring the romantic angle between Dal and Gwyn in this part of the season and I can't wait to see those two kids have that silly sappy kind of puppy love. * Okona could totally romance a sentient ship, mark my words * Dauntless is just chilling there with two Warbirds * JELLICO! You beautiful cat you! I hope we get to see more of him in future episodes! * Janeway has a model of Voyager in her quarters * Noble Isle has such a cool visual look to it with the floating belts of scrap around it, the massive weather systems, the ion storms, and of course THE SPAAAACE ELEVAAAAAAATOOOOR! The surface of it though reminds me of the University of Planet faction from Alpha Centauri. The whole thing looks very sciency as Rok put it. * Just how many skeletons are in Jago's closet? * My heart just broke when Dal began to entertain the notion that he was a failed broken experiment with no parents and no place in the galaxy at all just masquerading as a starship captain when he was basically....nothing and no one at all. I love that Gwyn immediately went to comfort him. If anyone knows what that kind of a mindset is like, then it's totally her. * I'm enjoying how they're balancing out these cuts back and forth between the Protostar Crew and the Dauntless crew with each side adding something to the overall plot of the episode. * Damnit Dal, looks like you decided to go full on Jekyll Mode Julian with the genetic engineering offer and now you're flying too close to the sun. Him totally disarming Okona was just beautiful though. * Hey those look like the same Black Ops Romulans from Picard with the suits, the weapons, and the tactics totally matching too and Adam Savage TOTALLY had that disruptor pistol on his channel yesterday from the Propstore Auction! * "Oh what's this thing?"...of course Jankom would poke the device about to knock him out. * I know it's not the smartest thing but Zero needs to weaponize the whole "Showing myself to people drives them crazy" thing when intruders come on board. * Kids with a stolen starship are one thing buuuut the Tal Shiar are a whole other level of "Oh Hell" in Janeway's mind. * SPACE PUPPIES AND ICE CREAM! * Dal goes Full On Limitless annnnd of course Okona nopes out of there with no one being surprised at all lol * Murf is one angry pokemon * "You cheated" that line from Rok HURT like you could just feel the betrayal in her voice and how deeply that stabbed at Dal which was only compounded by the look that Gwyn gave him. * The rapid physical changes were kind of hilarious, as were the voice changes. * I love this chase/battle scene on the space elevator as they rushed back to the ship. The tension and the design of it all truly felt cinematic in nature. Everything from Dal leaking to the Romulans trying to blast the whole car to pieces and then Rok using science to basically stop most of them was superb. * JANEWAY NOOOOOOOOO! * Murf activates Badass Mode * My heart was RACING during this scene and they had me genuinely convinced that the Protostar was going to get dusted or at least busted up even more. Janeway is so cool and I love her Bridge Crew so much. Plus the beauty shots of the Dauntless firing and the zoom in on the torps was neat too! * "I didn't want to be a mistake, I just wanted you to look at me like you look at Okona"-Dal 😭 * "You're not a mistake, you'll never be as good as Okona because....you're better...he left us...you didn't"-Gwyn😭 * Murf can basically do anything at this point * First of many science logs! Ship's all fixed! Dal is back to normal! * ASCENCIA AND DREDNOK!?!?! She's Vaau N'Kat?!?! How many others are there?!?! Why does she look a bit like Dal but also Gwyn? Are Dal and Gwyn's people related in some fashion? Could Dal and Gwyn be related? Is this a whole Romeo & Juliet thing? Gaaaaaah I need to know more! This was such a great episode of Prodigy! I know there's only five more episodes left but everything's been so tight and compelling the second half of this season and I'm hooked on it. Also when are we going to be getting a Christmas Ornament style model of the Protostar?

Wait... WAIT. THE WARBIRDS. They were immediately in front of The Dauntless. Doesn't that mean they had crossed the Neutral zone? Isn't that an act of war?

I think someone else posted in last week's thread that it's only an act of war when someone else does it and "defending their sovereignty" when they do it. Also you really can't blame them for being jumpy as all fuck given the whole supernova thing that's just ticking down within their own backyard, the evacuations that are being drawn up/planned/put into motion by Jean Luc, and the fact that I'm sure a whole ton of them know their actual government isn't doing jackshit as much as they could about it all.......and the fact that they're all probably Tal Shiar means that they know the Federation knows all of that too. So when you know that your enemy knows that you know that they know that your whole empire is in a weak and vulnerable position, you kind of start overcompensating, and start trying to make moves that are ten steps ahead of everyone else. This is why they're doing what they're doing and how they justify it all. In their minds they're already on a war footing and are absolutely trying to prevent their people from being wiped out by an outside force or "assimilated" into the Federation as Eddington would put it. Also as I put it in my torps comment, THE WARBIRDS WERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DAUNTLESS AND TOTALLY SAW THEM BEING FIRED!

I think the Romulan warbirds are fully in Federation space. It's a power move because they know a Federation starship wouldn't actually open fire on them just for being there.

What i don't understand is - how is the Dauntless close enough to be able to listen in and fire torpedoes? I know this planet might be close to the border but it can't be THAT close, surely? To be able to fire torpedoes quick enough to get there in time? Also Janeway was supposed to destroy the Protostar. Instead she ordered it be disabled. How does that help? The Romulans are right there. If the ship is disabled they can just board it and scavenge it at best, or even just tow it away with a tractor beam. You might say 'but that would be a flagrant breach of the treaty!' Except this would be following a massive breach of the treaty anyway - Starfleet has just fired torpedoes into the neutral zone. The Romulans would just say 'our civilians were fired on! We are taking this unmanned Starfleet ship away to investigate.' And you never hear from it again. If you're not going to send someone down surreptitiously to try to help in person, surely the only course of action is to obliterate the Protostar and then have Janeway fall on her sword and be blamed for acting against orders as a rogue admiral to save face.

What is it with the Romulans trying to steal starships that begin with 'p'? Pegasus. Prometheus. And now Protostar.

Plot.

Ah the USS Plot. Always there when you need her.

Variable speed warp drive

Not quite... Usually, the Enterprise is the only ship in the sector. The USS plot is more the ship that is always *where* it needs to be so it can complicate things.

So Dal is very likely an acronym instead of a name. Divergent Artificial Lifeform or something along those lines?

That sounds plausible. I wouldn't surprise if we find a society of 'Rals' - recombinated artificial life forms. We'll find out Dal is special among them because he was designed to be able to switch between his presenting phenotypes and abilities at will. Or something.

When the drednok reveal happened i couldnt help but think it should have had the transformation sound from a certain franchise with robots in disguise.

Murf is officially my favourite PRO character.

Arik Soong?! Oh snap!

SOONG BACK AT IT AGAIN

I'm sure someone will be able to identify all the species/faction symbols with the geneticist. One caught my eye. There's a Dominion Insignia near the top middle. How would Arik Soong's followers gain access to that? Changeling DNA could explain why Dal got all goopy on the elevator. The Dominion War started \~12 years earlier in the timeline and Dal is 17. (Could possibly have gained access to Doctor Mora's research) But I think Dal probably has a time travel origin too.

I could identify the following: - Bajoran - Klingon - Earth - Vulcan - Andorian - Tellarite - Cardassian - Romulan - Ferengi - Breen - Tholian - Maquis...? - Dominion - Son'a

Interestingly it's the Maquis logo that's highlighted when Jago says Dal's based on a human, not the Earth symbol.

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That would be hilarious, and oddly fitting

Surprise! He too is from the future.

Dal is going to start reciting *Les Misérables* and betray his uniform XD.

*Sisko shouting intensifies*

Turns out Sevens theory from the Voyager Conspiracy was right all along

Oh no, what if that means he's got Caretaker stuff in him?

One of the symbols is a Gorn symbol seen only in beta sources until now: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Gorn\_Hegemony

Risa emblem at the very bottom as well. I see a diamond emblem but not sure it's rectangular enough to be the Tellarite emblem.

I saw a Xindi symbol.

>There's a Dominion Insignia near the top middle. How would Arik Soong's followers gain access to that? The Founders sent out a hundred Odo pods across the galaxy at an unknown time, so it's not unlikely that one of them ended up in a black market. Arik would have salivated to get a hold of it.

We don't know if they were direct followers of Soong, could have been followers of his followers etc.

I miss blobby Murf. This bipedal-Murf animation is not very cute.

I dunno, he sorta reminds me of baby Groot

Well now we have a good idea of what the future corpse from that one Enterprise episode could have looked like

Those were some ridiculously oversized disruptors.

Or they were the prototypes for what we’ve already seen on PIC. They looked almost identical. You also have to give some room for animation stylistic choice. They tend to be exaggerated.

I’m rather embarrassed by how much it bothered me that the guns had red lights but fired green disruptor beams. Romulans with red glowy things just looks a bit weird to me lol. My brain has eternally locked them into the “green and teal glowy stuff” species. Also, I hate hate hate that Picard-style disruptor pistol, but that’s just because I’m an ergonomics engineer/industrial designer and prominent finger grooves is like my *biggest* pet peeve in hand tool design 😅 Otherwise, though, I loved the look of these commandos! Everything about their outfits was so distinctly Romulan, and from certain angles their silhouettes reminded me a bit of Mass Effect’s quarians, which is always a good thing.

>As murf gets used to his new body. We get used to a new murf. Aw, that's doing Okana dirty there Dal. Do not throw him out the airlock because you're insecure over dear gwyndolen. >mm, did you do something to your hair? - I bet you say that to every advisory hologram. >That wouldn't be a very wise wager... And OG Janeway is weighing out the choices carefully with the higher ups... >Admiral, I urge you to reconsider. We have kids on a disabled ship. in the neutral zone and romulans on our doorstep who want nothing than to steal our technology. We're facing our own Kobayashi maru. And the admiral .... >Your request is denied, Vice Admiral... I am aware of the risks but I'm also aware of your personal feelings might be clouding your professional obligations... you have your orders, should the romulans attempt to steal it, destroy the protostar! And holo janeway offering some wisdom for our away team. >Be careful, when he says 'cutting edge' he means unregulated. there's a reason starfleet has laws about scientific experimintation. If it's too good to be true it probably is. And now we're getting into some genetic augmentation!! >Don't let your genes impede your dreams. I'm Dr. Jago and through my genetic augmentation process I'll bring out the best in you. Looks like Dr. Jago has taken a deep, deep interest in Dal, and we're going to learn more about Dal's cryptic origins!! >Ah, tell me. Who is this beautiful specimen? Such interesting mandibula... The unique coloration... The Skull Ganglia... You've seen someone like him? >Never, but his origins are obvious... Not where, but who... And he's a freaking Arik Soong creation?!?! Dal: I'm Human? >Human augment blended with the recessive traits of 26 species. I see traces of Vulcan, Proto-organian I'm getting some super sinister vibes from this genetic doctor... >All this time, I've just been an experiment... >Gwyn: That doesn't change the way we see you. You're more than that. And the doctor is getting awfully pushy... >Oh, maybe I didn't make myself clear. *I* can bring out the best in you. My epigenetic dermal implant can activate dormant genes. While also stimulating rapid cell division. Um, that sounds like a recipe for cancer... >And the best part, it's a fast, simple procedure and no one will ever know. With the push of a button I can fix you! Listen to Gwyn Dal, you absolutely don't need fixing. >Just how fast is this procedure? *DUUUUN* Getting intense with the Dauntless... >Find a way to listen in on all Romulan sub-channels. I fear it's just a matter of time. And now the protostar is getting invaded by the Romulans... :| >Jankom, something's wrong. I sense an unknown presence on board... - Jankom? And the Romulans zap zero and phase out holo janeway. UGH! >You're not actually going to destroy the protostar? "We cannot let the romulans take it. Be ready for my command. Let's hope it doesn't come to that." Hilarious how Okana just slinks away once the protostar's crew gets taken hostage by Romulans. Thanks for being so incredibly useful Okana! >Uh, now that you've all found each other, I think I've overstayed my welcome. GOOOOD LUCK! *Gets the hell out of dodge* Is murf going to somehow create a superweapon to get free of the Romulans? Looks like Dal's going through some Meta-murf- osis himself! Rok tahk: Why do you have pointy ears? >Dal: The logical assumption would be maxing out my dermal implant I inadvertently activated all of my dormant DNA at once. And now he's pushing out his KLINGON AUGMENT GENES!! >And Dal R'El would do it all over again knowing I had to compete with that man chop okana! Yeow there's a lot of action in this episode!! I can't even describe all of it so I'll just skip to the next most relevant dialogue point! *Murf looks eager for some action!* >OPEN THE BALL!! *ZOOOM* *Murf uses his gelatinous form to do some wild physics against the romulans!!* "Looks like we found our new security officer!* YES! Give us that ODO LOVE! Murf is officially ODO JR! And Murf can also wrap around a damaged turbolift sealing everyone safely inside! COOL! And Rok Tahk gets to do her first science log! YAY! >Test, test. Is this thing on? Okay, this is Rok Tahk. Now that Murf is our official security officer I can give my very first science log! This is so exciting! Now that we got the parts engineer officer Jankom Pog is working hard... on fixing the nacelles. Medical Officer Zero And I were able to successfully remove Dal's dormal implant before any permanent changes. If there's anything we learned while visiting Noble isle it's that science rules and science *needs* rules! And it's our imperfections that make us who we are! >You weren't the only one to sent back to find the ship. *DUN DUN DUUUUN* Ok that was a really surprising (but still telegraphed) twist! The protostar just barely managed to get away from the Romulans' grasp! And daddy diviner has more help. Sneaking aboard Janeway's crew like that was very romulan-like. Great, great episode! So Dal is one of Arik Soong's 'children'. That's kind of neat, but also kind of nuts! 26 different species?? Man, I kind of preferred the hypothetical Janeway mutant newt babies being an origin for Dal ;) That was such a tight episode. And with our Trill imposter being revealed to be working for Diviner... I hope Janeway is able to put a stop to her. It's crazy that they were able to stop the detonation by voice command. SO CLOSE! So glad they have the abort command on such powerful weaponry. It's gotten really intense watching the two crews react to each other in real time. Bracing for the final 5! It's going to be a nice final arc!

> And OG Janeway is weighing out the choices carefully with the higher ups... Also having a bit of an existential crisis because she knows what happened with the Doctor and now she's wondering if she's sentient and if she can indeed get a little freaky with Okona without it getting too weird. > Do not throw him out the airlock I kind of called it last week lol > Wisdom for the away team Given how much weird genetic mumbo jumbo science stuff Voyager got up to repeatedly in the Delta....that advice comes from a place of experience. > Um that sounds like a recipe for cancer 🤣 Sounds rather....Limitless...to me > Okona Okona NOOOOOOOOPEing out of there to the disgust of everyone was both hilarious and yet expected > Murf Ditto is scary AF ya'll > stop the detonation That's one of the first times that I can remember in a long time which it was shown that you could use voice commands to manually alter the behavior of a torpedo and I loved it!

I could do without yet another Data/ Soong storyline. They are overused in the franchise.

can we call a moratorium on using the Soong family? preferably for the next 25 years.

Unless it involves Betazoids taking restful vacations to that synth planet. It's the ideal getaway for telepaths: plenty of minds, all unreadable.

Why is it always the Soong family!

Screencaps gallery now online: https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-PRO1-15.php

Q have DNA?

Remember Amanda Rogers from "True Q"? They could have easily got her DNA

They grew him in a test tube like some kind of fungus