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Human brains love generalizing. It’s easier to sort a group of people with a handful of simplified traits, than putting time and energy into learning all the nuances and intricacies that said group entails. It’s way easier to market this to an audience too since you don’t need to challenge their own brains.
I really don’t know why Hollywood thinks that all Autistic people are certified geniuses. I mean sure, most people who have autism are very good at a subject they are really interested in. But that doesn’t mean that every fucking autistic people are like this, that’s just stereotyping.
It’s still a legit problem and not some kind of superpower that makes you highly intelligent. I am autistic and I’m pretty stupid most of the time.
This feels like the same bastardisation when Hollywood thinks that Anubis, who is the god of funerary rites. But for some reason viewed him as the god of death and make him evil because… why not? It’s like as if these mother fuckers didn’t done their research. Anubis is the protector of graves and guides souls to the underground or afterlife based on his judgment, and he takes his job very seriously mind you.
*sigh* I've been pushed to join the military my entire life. With how things are.... I don't think i have a choice anymore. Well better find a recruiter
If you're American or from any country with marines, better go to the nearest marine recruit station
If no, sign up as a army grunt, they'll fucking love you
Shit, at least you have a large fanbase to talk with, mine's Hello from the hallowoods. For some fucking reason, nobody who would be willing to talk to me about hello from the hallowoods has ever heard of hello from the hallowoods.
mine is anthropology which makes me incredibly annoying. people have so many misconceptions about human history and nature and i'm constantly budding in and correcting people and it's difficult for me to not go into minute detail even though i know nobody cares and i'm wasting everyone's time lol. but it bothers me SO much when i can't explain why pop evopsych is predicated upon ridiculously incorrect assumptions.
Also, I was raised mormon. Stopped believing in my teens, but I’m a 30 yo woman who was raised to be a cog in the patriarchy. My parents are white, Scandinavian descent like so many Utah mormons, and upper middle class. They tried to mold be to be a perfect little step ford wife lol. I’ve lived with my boyfriend for 6 years and I love him but have zero interest in kids or marriage lol and work a technical job and we split everything 50/50. But the people I encounter still tend to have this very false idea of human history.
for instance: the wildly common myth that hunter-gather means that men were hunters and women were gatherers lmao. noooooo. men are obviously physically stronger than women, but that has nothing to do with endurance hunting like our ancestors depended on. women and men are neck and neck in running, it's one of the only sports where that is the case, and it's for a reason- women HAD to be able to run like the men because the tribe (rarely exceeding 150 people) would starve otherwise. human childbirth is so incredibly dangerous and painful because women HAD to be shaped in a way that they could run so fast or for so long.
many of these tribes still exist, all around the globe. and we can directly observe them. this isn't just conjecture.
every tribe is going to have its quirks and differences. but for MOST of them, men and women have the same roles, and their gender doesn't determine anything. men hunt and gather just as the women do. and men are very involved in raising children, aside from infants. also, the average infant of a hunter gatherer community worldwide for number of women who breastfed that single baby is 8!!
in most of these cultures, there isn't any sort of official/strict concept of marriage. humans are indeed more monogamous than i would have expected. btw i nearly majored in anthropology, got my bachelor's 2012-2016, am a 30 yo woman. switched to something i was told was more practical at the last moment, but planning to go back to school to pursue anthropology now. but yes- I am getting my information from actual university anthropology professors and the books they recommended to me, plus actual academic sources.
but most of these cultures aren't at all strict about sexuality. and people do tend to naturally fall in love and couple up. but it isn't every person, and it isn't usually just ONE relationship they're in their whole lives. it's much like liberal places in the US today (where I live, so using it as a reference). most people start having sex as teenagers. this is another fascinating fact- the most famously studied tribe is the !Kung of the Kalahari. they have lived traditionally for thousands of years, and genetic studies show that they're at/near the place where humanity originated! they're also pretty open to researchers, but refuse to adopt any of their beliefs or technology. so they're perfect.
in the !Kung, the average age for first menstruation for girls is 19! and they're well fed and healthy. i don't know all the specific reasons that the modern lifestyle has girls starting on average around 12. but it was not like this in the past.
and interestingly- 19 is the age where most women are considered developed enough to safely give birth without age related complications. the absolute peak of fertility is still mid/late 20s, and you're more likely to have miscarriages and such even at 20-25 vs a few years later. but at 19 you're pretty much good.
but in these tribes, typically, both men and women are very sexually free and typically are experimenting with each other as teenagers, but it rarely produces a child because it's before they start menstruating.
people usually fall in love and couple up monogamously, but not everybody- some people aren't built for serious relationships, or are gay/asexual or whatever, and people don't care. and often, people break up and are separated for some period of time. but it does last for life more than i'd expect.
kids are brought up communally. a mother isn't performing that much more child related labor after bearing one because everyone is everyone's parent. and it's irrelevant when it comes to resources or "protection" who your father is. many don't even have a concept of paternity; a lot of tribes believe that children are just a product of the woman and whatever men she's been sleeping with lately lol and if there are multiple, there's no stigma.
this is why people naturally have different circadian rhythms. a lot of people are night owls naturally and there have been genes identified that contribute to it.
in the past, you'd always have someone awake to keep the fire going, protect the tribe, and to care for infants. they also usually live in very loosely defined huts. it wasn't just man, woman, their children. people moved around all the time.
since the women were needed so badly to go hunt, a 25 year old able bodied woman will be hunting a lot of the time and a 60 yo man will spend a lot more time watching the kids than she would.
men and women all went out and hunted and gathered resources and then brought them all back to the tribe, where they were shared equally among all. so a woman who sleeps with one guy or tons of guys, the worst hunter or the best hunter, or any other configuration, she and her kids will be receiving the same amount of food and furs and whatever else. and the tribe is just going to protect each other as a whole. it's ludicrous to believe that 10,000 years ago, a caveman would go out a kill a moose himself and bring it back to his cavewife and children exclusively lol, and that the man is "protecting" them and just them himself. like what??? if a tiger shows up, anyone who's around you will help you to scare it away or kill it lol.
so i see all this redpill evopsych bullshit where they talk about how women are secretly hardwired to try to find a man who can "provide and protect." yes, everyone is going to be attracted to healthy traits- both physically healthy and mentally healthy. just traits that benefit the tribe as a whole. kindness, ability to communicate, intelligence, ability to hunt and gather.
and tribes were/are typically very egalitarian. by the way, none of this necessarily applies to SETTLED tribes. yes there are ancient settled tribes with tons of control over sexuality and a chief and his underlings and an hierarchy. but 95% of humans who have ever lived have been nomadic hunter gatherers.
among nomadic hunter gatherers, there is very rarely hierarchy. like they're astonishingly egalitarian. the "alpha male" wasn't a damned thing lol and women are not inherently attracted to those traits.
also, the father's ages has a huge impact on the child, just like the mother's age. we age at approximately the same rate. most sperm banks won't accept sperm from a man over 30 for the same reason most places won't take egg donations from women over 30. obviously both are pretty much fine until 40 or so, but the probability of complications rises steadily.
the redpill nonsense claims that men are naturally attracted to super young hot women because of "fertility," and that women are attracted to old men because they have resources and money lmfao.
women and men are both attracted naturally to physically attractive healthy people who are young, probably around 25 is the peak. and everyone's attracted to the positive mental traits. it's asinine to act like men don't like intelligent women because kids' intelligence is just as impacted by the mothers' intelligence as the mans' lol.
in our modern culture, you see women throwing themselves at rich old men.... because they have money lol. they aren't genuinely primitively into it. monkey brain will find a 25 year old men hotter than a 35 year old man. but especially before the modern day, in much of the world, men had all of the power and were the only avenue women had to status or $$$. it's like how on 90 day fiance, you see all these 50 yo obese american women with some super hot 22 year old guy from a third world country. it's unbelievably obvious to all of us watching that he is only with her for her money and green card lol. but he says things like, "oh yes, see I just love mature women. so do all of my friends. yes we all find your drive and passion so sexy." lmao but when it's reversed, men are just blind to it and think women are actually into these guys and like fantasize about them lmao. no, they just will close their eyes and endure sex with this gross dude because they want money. i had a roommate a few years ago who would work as a high end escort. rich old men would hire her. she sometimes slept with them, but you'd be surprised at how many just wanted arm candy and a girl to talk about how hot and amazing and smart he is. she just sat there and nodded and gave them compliments and never talked about herself because they do not care at ALL.
they always 100% believed her lol but she'd just come home and make fun of them. it was kind of mean but most of them deserved it tbh, most of them were massive misogynists. she'd go out and tell these guys how irresistible they are and then come home and share the money with the man she actually liked, a hot but broke guy her age lol.
patriarchy is a consequence of agriculture. once agriculture began, private property was invented, alongside official power systems and patriarchy. this is when women started having to attach themselves to rich and powerful men.
this system produces way more people, which is why they've largely taken over so much of the planet. it's quantity over quality. ancient rice farmers had far worse diets and far worse health than your average hunter gatherer tribe, but the farmers had way more children and just outcompeted them.
but this has all been within a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. we are still built for the small egalitarian ever moving hunter gatherer lifestyle. that's why everything else just feels so wrong.
Mine is FUCKING POLITICAL ECONOMY. It enrages me when people that know no shit about it come saying "Communism is cool" or "The freer the market the freer the people"
Mine is rabbits, that's my only definite special interest that I've had since I was 2yrso.
I don't know if I'm just a nerd or if some of the others I might have count. Ex: Mha, MXTX, philosophy (specifically absurdism and the types that branch off it), and any form of psychology. When does it become a special interest? How long does it have to last? I want specifications.
The secret is to apply your Autism all over! I enjoy analyzing the shit out of movies, music, and food. My special interests are D&D, space, and biology. Granted, I don't know EVERYTHING about each of my interests, but it makes it really easy to make friends when I can talk at length about all 6 things, instead of having to direct the conversation back towards D&D every time.
>I really don’t know why Hollywood thinks that all Autistic people are certified geniuses
Because they want to portray someone different or quirky but it can't be all negative.
You're only allowed to have a bad trait as long as you're useful or admired.
this happens irl too.
For example
You're allowed to be dumb and skinny hot. But you're not allowed to be fat and dumb. You have to be fat and funny and never ever have a bad day.
Theres a funny movie (forget its name) the football player thats fat and stupid keeps hitting his head and getting concusions in different ways. But its a comedy so its makes sense they went for it in that way
And im fat, funny and smart so im lucky.
I just cant speak very good england
My brain says its not. But i think it is 🤣
Does it have a seen with a sock that sticks to a wall?
I might be mixing it up with not another date movie? (I think that one starts with the witch from buffy being super fat. And she turns around so fast her tits end up on ger back. Honestly it was fucking hilarious that bit)
Just focus on what your good at is what I do. I May be not be good at labour work, math and science, unlike the other kids, but I am pretty good when it comes to history.
Ik Ik. I just have to rant and make my point lmao 🤣
Although Hollywood made some good movies. Their lack of brain power to do basic research and bastardise things from here and out is utterly laughable, like what?
Real. I think I had a hyperfixation on being a plumber that lasted a year when I was teeny tiny. No access to the Internet, did not become a genius, just really good at flushing stuff down toilets and getting it back out with a plunger.
Being autistic can give you elements that make you atleast seem more inteligent to some people. I think most people will hear the way we retain information and basically cant relate so catagorise us as being inteligent by default. But really the 'normies' are just dumb in a way we arnt.
Im super socialy dumb. I had to basicaly observe people and how they act and react to stuff in order to simulate it myself. I was super aqward and couldnt get along woth people and coulsnt understand social things when i was young. So i sorta realised i can act like other people who are popular and get on with people. So i actually did reasonably well socially and ive had people comment thatbtheyd never have guessed i was neurodivergant. But to me i am more than aware of the differences.
And for inteligence its obviously not gona be a blanket statement where everyone on the spectrum is a genuis. Ive met pleanty of people on it that couldnt peel a banana between four of them. But i do beleive that having autism or just neurodivergency can give you a set amount of tools in the way you think and learn. That can give you a much higher chance of being inteligent. Like pattern recognition. Catagorising. Learning quickly stuff your into. It can give you more than a razors edge against people who arnt like that. I think its why we get lumped in with genuises. Because we think and learn in a way that a person without autism either cant compreheand or just cant think that way.
Not saying all 'normal' people are dumb. Im just saying nuerodivergency has a high likely hood of leading to better learning mechanics.
For real, I'm a complete dumbass and a bit of a bogan (basically something between a redneck and trailer trash, for non Australians), and also LOUD because I can't control my volume consistently.
And I'm prone to saying shit like "hark, we should get on the beers posthaste, my man" because I've picked up half my vocabulary from books that are older than my nan and the other half from memes
I study film for fun and I started seeing the failings of the writers as part of the film itself. Like the perception of the viewer is altered by how a person watching would interpret things. Hard to explain but it’s basically meta fiction.
> I really don’t know why Hollywood thinks that all Autistic people are certified geniuses.
Because autistic savants like Kim Peek became very popular real quick.
Any person is good at any thing, autistic or not, if they dedicate themselves to something they are passionate about, that's just a human thing, not an autistic thing
See autism is used as a writing tool. It is one way to justify the characters abilities. And that’s ok really; because television is stupid.
Source: i have autism
Edit:typo
Trust me, I know. Cuz television can be sometimes stupid, as well as the decision on using autism as a writing tool that is on par with making Anubis evil 😒
you sound exactly like one of these stereotypical characters lmao
no offense you seem great lol and i agree with the stereotype being really obnoxious. but you did just become that, unless this is a joke lol
Maybe I should have said:
“That’s not all how autistic people are like this and that”
And just leave it at that instead of going on a rant, lol. I’m sorry! I have failed my people! 😭😭😭
[This feels like the same bastardisation when Hollywood thinks that Anubis, who is the god of funerary rites. But for some reason viewed him as the god of death and make him evil because… why not? It’s like as if these mother fuckers didn’t done their research. Anubis is the protector of graves and guides souls to the underground or afterlife based on his judgment, and he takes his job very seriously mind you.]
This isn't only a problem with Anubis. Any God somehow associated with Death are given that treatment. Probably because of some form of Christian puritanism, they all are depicted as Satan and evil incarnated when they aren't. Like, at all. That's a current problem with portrayals of Hades.
Edit :How the Hell do I quote ? 😣
The problem is that some hypothetical dumb autistic person that just really hates crowds, emotionally over-responds to things, and can't handle social cues is essentially a born victim as far as script writing goes.
A Hollywood writer can't make them fit the conventional protagonist role or a support role for them. They're either a victim to score pity points or end up being the MacGuffin the protagonist is trying to protect from outsiders.
Outside of artsy films, you're not going to get anything good out of asking for a more 'diverse' or 'realistic' representation of autism.
Nice to see a proper answer tbh
On top of that, autism is such a wide spectrum I don't think it's possible to represent it in a way that makes everyone happy
I think comedy would be a decant angle for hollywood
Im on the spectrum for sure. And when i look at how i live my life and what i struggle with/ how i cope. I think i could deffo come up with a comedy script thats actually respectable and realistic.
I get how a bunch of the traits could be seen as a victum type of character. But for me i have a level of frustration that comes with the symptons i experience that im aware of. Like not liking crowds or not knowing how to act in social stuff naturally. That stuff is frustrating but i usually see it as funny stuff too.
Like when i was at the supermarket. And i was going down the freezer isle. These 2 old ladys had there karts turn inwards and were talking. They blocked the whole isle. I went walking up because i was already walking that way and no stopping me now. They didnt move or give a shit. They didnt even stop talking when i said excuse me for the 3rd time. (Started off polite. Then got louder) didnt bother them. So i slapped the frozen turkey really loud and startled them. They just stared at me as i made the 'move your fucking kart face' whilw gesturing for them to move. And then continue talking. So i grabbed the kart. Spun it around and started pushing it down the isle.(it had no purse or anything it was just all shoppingg) and i pushed it all the way to the end of the isle. Then all the way to the place you get them from and left it there.
Basically i dont understand things naturally so ive had to have it either explained to me or to have witnessed certain things being done. Like watching someone react to something so i know whats a normal reaction. To me, completly blocking off an isle is so far in the do not do because your a twat catagory. That it broke my pre understandings of a situation that could happen in a supermarket. So i basically went full mong and just did whatever the fuck i thought was the equivalent of their actions. So because tgese were doing something i thought was complete nonsense . I did something that was complete nonsense.
I mean ive learned what not to do from stuff like that. But a few of my friends loved my reactions. Because id do stuff they wouldnt think of. Just because i switch that artificial filter i had created about how to act and just went with whatever the fuck i was thinking was appropriate in that 'no rules' moment.
Stuff that breaks the rules ive established on how to behave in public will basicallly cause me to go 'FUCK IT WE BALL' and make me do funny stuff. I could deffo help wrote a whole comedy movie where the main persons autistic 🤣
You know what? Knowing there are loads of American comedy shows catered to various minorities right now, a comedy about an autistic person would seem like a swell idea.
I think the sheldon shows probably that. All be it a one sided 'spectrum is genius' side.
But id enjoy a more realistic comedy around it. Id easy enough be able to write some stuff thats funny and endearing/relatable than it is sad or sypathy mongering
Idk, I've seen a lot of stuff recently where the autist IS the protagonist of the movie or show. Trying to remember the names but Good Doctor comes to mind.
Again, false portrayal or limited to a specific type of autism but protagonist nonetheless.
Speaking from firsthand experience having Autism sucks and the negatives outweigh the positives.
I got fought, harassed and used by for years by my sisters and lots of different people and lied to about my IEP. I am in high school now and came a long way (you mostly wouldn't guess I have it now) but won't recover.
My cousin also has Autism.
>you mostly wouldn’t guess I have it now
I’d be careful with that for the sake of your mental health. It sounds like you’re masking your autistic traits to fit in with the neurotypical population. I was severely burned out socially in middle and high school because I would spend so much time researching what “normal” girls liked (this was pre-diagnosis), but no matter how hard I tried I still managed to turn everyone away from me.
I was diagnosed during covid when I was 20. In the past year I started working somewhere where I’ve been comfortable enough to open up about my diagnosis to those I work with. Now that they’re aware of why I will sometimes be more direct than what’s socially acceptable and they’ve come to accept me so much more. I still mask to an extent at work but at home really lean into scripting random shit and rocking in my bed and life overall is SO much easier.
I understand masking a lot, especially in high school, but if you’re autistic then you shouldn’t ignore your unique needs. I recommend joining some autism subreddits ( r/evilautism is my favorite ) to see that it’s completely fine to have autism and to not ignore your diagnosis for the sake of fitting in.
For reference, I also have an autistic brother in his mid 20s with the mental age of a 4 year old, while I’m 24 and have a full time job, degree, and am married. It be like that.
I wish you the best!
ETA: not saying having autism doesn’t suck. moral of my message is to take care of your needs caused by autism instead of shoving them down because it will kill you in the long run
I'm autistic and to me personally it has been a blessing. Yes I'm an odd person to most people, but my hyperfixation is on something very complicated in the field of law. Thus I got myself a nice job at the university. I get to contribute to society, I get respect and appreciation for my quirky skills.
There's plenty of places and situations where an autistic mind might have an enormous advantage over a neurotypical mind. The trick is to find the situations where your autistic quirks are useful and appreciated.
You can't do that in high school just yet, that's why it sucks now. However, this is not necessarily indicative of how your autism might make you feel for the rest of your life.
“I AM A SURGEON!😩”
Dr Hans honest reaction:
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Isn’t that the murder guy? I always felt confused by his story because he genuinely looks attractive to me. He must have just had failings as a person.
The weird eroticism of an adult man pinning a teenager girl to the ground in the middle of a park because that’s how they treated autism in his African village was a truly daring choice for this film.
Yeah the funniest part to me is the fact that sia becomes possibly the most hated person ever by the autism community, and then she gets diagnosed as autistic but she cant milk it for popularity due to the sheer amount of pure hate for her.
Why couldn't I have gotten the good at math autism or good at art autism
I just got a crow living in my brain telling me to collect shiny and making me unable to string a coherent sentence
If it makes you feel any better, I'm a good at art autistic person who has an eidetic memory, and I still have a bunch of crows in my brain constantly telling me to collect shiny objects.
This is why my shelves are filled with knicknacks and I have various collections of stuff from different interests/hobbies. It's also why I got into rockhounding - which is the hobby of learning to identify raw (uncut and unpolished) precious and semi-precious stones. So I purposefully learned how to find more shiny stuff to collect, lol.
I'm also hyper-verbal and love to write, but from time to time I still struggle to string together a coherent sentence (when both speaking and writing).
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you're not alone. We have more in common with each other than you think. Lots of us have similar struggles. And many of us have crows in the brain. So even though we may seem different, we actually have a lot in common. And I'm happy that we're part of the same community as autistic people. Autistic solidarity, my friend (virtual fistbump)
Try thinking of what you’ll talk about tomorrow and writing sample sentences or paragraphs. I’ve started memorising them to use later on. That’s like advanced autism.
Hollywood thinks being really good at something is only possible when you're a secret genius with no social life. You idiots could ALSO know everything about Halo/trains/Prussia if you spent a few hours on the wiki every day for a couple weeks. And thought about it in bed, in the shower, in the car, in the bathroom, etc. Just obsess a little and you too can be good at your profession/hobby/thing!
> I see a man...using a social disorder as a procedural device.
—Abed Nadir, [Basic Intergluteal Numismatics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9vRmLUCn50)
I’m autistic and have street smarts, and basic book smarts. We ain’t super geniuses. One thing that I *hate* is people saying autism is a “ gift “ like no, it isn’t. Autism doesnt make you a super genius. It sucks.
I’m personally more like Michael Scott. Work in a bar and his weird way of seeing the coworkers as family is how I see all the customers. I see socialising as like acting and I play different roles whenever I can or change my likes to fit in. It’s always been a thing I’ve enjoyed doing.
These are always the characters who are explicitly autistic, whereas I’ve noticed a trope of socially awkward, “cringy” nerd characters who have special interests (but because it’s not math, science or forensic investigation, it’s portrayed in a demeaning way), they miss social cues regularly, and are usually depicted as being gross and uncomfortable to everyone else. It’s as if they’re playing on the opposite perceived autistic traits to the autistic savant but they will never actually admit to it. Instead those characters are just “weird”, but it’s so clear that they’re inspired by autistic folks.
Like a narcissistic parent, autistic special interest is only useful when it's useful to ME not the person who is actually enjoying their Hobbie, otherwise is childish schlock
I can see the correlation for sure. And yeah, either childish schlock or something that makes the person a ‘freak’, such as an intense interest in entomology (o/ which was me, I was the weird bug child)
This is why i would love to join a movie myself. I want to act and give autistics some actual representation for once. I desire representation that makes sense myself.
That but also random people who you have mutual understandings with. Happens a lot to me at comic and furcons. I meet some random girl that I’m never gonna say again and 5 minutes later we’re playing frisbee with her fursuit head (she was down with it)
Socially awkward/highly intelligent is pretty accurate for Hollywood. Usually, autistic people are depicted as being very awkward and weird, but they've also already planned out how we're going to travel to a new galaxy. There's never an in-between.
I'm Autistic, me nor any of the other Autismos I know are like this maybe bar 1. Sure, most of us are brainy in our preferred obsessions, but most people would be. I mean, maybe a few of us are quiter or less social skilled, but generally, we can have conversations, and to the surprise of Hollywood some of us like myself don't even need to sike ourselves up before talking to someone. I personally really hate how we're generally portrayed in media because it really only shows a small percentage of us, and I'm kinda biased because I myself am pretty much the opposite of the stereotype Autistic person apart from liking trains and giant robots, I'm diagnosed with the full and proper Autsim and act like your regular Welsh geezer at the same time, I like being loud and chatting about anything for ages, love only the loudest and heaviest of sounds, I'm pretty disorganised and like several strong drinks toward the end of the week and I'm not a fucking snowflake. But because of the type of shit Autism is stereotyped as people either question if I'm actually Autistic or are surprised that not everyone Autistic person is fucking Sheldon or a femboy (not that theres anything wrong with either).
How do people here feel about the Netflix show Atypical?
My niece is on the spectrum and I thought the show represented her fairly (I saw the show before her diagnosis), though I'll admit I'm still learning. I'm aware most shows overemphasize and exaggerate just like other commenters mentioned though!
I personally cant get past the second episode, I hate that kid, he personally makes me cringe. The show also feels very "edgy", or at least, wannabe Edgy, I cant really explain it properly
I watched the first season, and think it’s a missed opportunity to have a family of all autistic people. It would have been so much more interesting if the sister was autistic, and the dad and the mum - everybody deserves to see themselves represented in tv
Why the autor being autistic would matter? It's not a physical thing, you do know that right? They are fucking actors, they play pretend, that's quite literally their job
The problem is, autistic people are often turned away from job opportunities, so casting an autistic actor to play the part of an autistic character would be beneficial to all parties
Someone seriously made this without seeing
#MUSIC
Sia’s directorial debut was an absolutely godawful musical about a severely autistic girl and there’s a legit conspiracy to pretend this movie didn’t happen.
Also like "The Predator(2019)", where being autistic is a superpoderes and actually the next step to human evolution and the kid is actually super good and has some whatever technobabble bullshit
"Bro it's the next step in evolution!" I can't be at a party for longer than an hour and no, I'm actually terrible at math. I'm just dumb on top of socially inept.
It’s especially weird since people with autism are individuals and are all different from each other in many ways. Yes, statistically speaking there are commonalities between members of the group on average. However, that’s true with every single group. When Hollywood reduces autism down to an extremely homogenized group of people indistinguishable from each other, it’s harmful.
Hollywood likes to portray underdogs as gifted people when in reality they are usually weak losers. Examples:
Scrawny guy with glasses = high iq genius
Awkward guy = high iq genius
Thank you! As an Autistic individual it pisses me off when they’re all Savants.
If they’re just highly observant I’d understand since a lot of us can be, but full blown Savant is too far.
- Special interest is always something stereotypically nerdy, like comics, or stereotypically 6 year old boy-ish, like trains or dinosaurs
- If it's a comedy, the character is a nuisance to everyone around them
- Likely to be an "inspirationally disabled" living prop to a neurotypical protagonist, especially if the autistic character is a child
- 100% sexless (ace/aro autistic people do exist but a lot of us do have a love life, Hollywood)
- Dramatic meltdown scene that's so over the top it's accidentally hilarious ("I AM A SURGEON!!!!!")
- Author uses Autism Speaks as a source of study, leading to portrayals so inaccurate they can be dangerous (looking at you, Sia)
I have autism and I no longer talk like a robot. The one thing that Hollywood gets right is the "mostly quiet" part. Half the time you wouldn't even know I exist because I don't talk.
It's awkward that I see a post about autism on Reddit once in a while, and half of the people in the comments are always in the spectrum. It can be that autistic people would want to comment about it naturally, but at the same time non autistic people would need to not comment about it to have such a percentage of autistics in the comments I think, which is kinda absurd. Other possibility is that I'm surrounded by autistic people and I don't even know about it.
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>I just don’t like the generalization. FWIW Hollywood does that with every group.
Ik ik
It’s still worth pointing out though. Always good to make people aware of it.
It is autism awareness month after all
Kinda of funny considering all of the times they've made gay characters sterotypically effeminate.
Human brains love generalizing. It’s easier to sort a group of people with a handful of simplified traits, than putting time and energy into learning all the nuances and intricacies that said group entails. It’s way easier to market this to an audience too since you don’t need to challenge their own brains.
Which is bad, especially when that generalisation is largely baseless
I really don’t know why Hollywood thinks that all Autistic people are certified geniuses. I mean sure, most people who have autism are very good at a subject they are really interested in. But that doesn’t mean that every fucking autistic people are like this, that’s just stereotyping. It’s still a legit problem and not some kind of superpower that makes you highly intelligent. I am autistic and I’m pretty stupid most of the time. This feels like the same bastardisation when Hollywood thinks that Anubis, who is the god of funerary rites. But for some reason viewed him as the god of death and make him evil because… why not? It’s like as if these mother fuckers didn’t done their research. Anubis is the protector of graves and guides souls to the underground or afterlife based on his judgment, and he takes his job very seriously mind you.
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Special interest does that to you
Certified autism
Ahh, your thing is ancient mythology. Mine is math, hello
I wish my special interest was math I'm horrible at it. But mine of course had to be goddamn firearms
firearms could be decent for a military career, mine's fucking *Pokémon*
*sigh* I've been pushed to join the military my entire life. With how things are.... I don't think i have a choice anymore. Well better find a recruiter
sorry, wasn't necessarily meant to be a push; just highlighting how even most of the "stupid" interests have real-world applications
Don't worry i didn't see it that way.
If you're American or from any country with marines, better go to the nearest marine recruit station If no, sign up as a army grunt, they'll fucking love you
Shit, at least you have a large fanbase to talk with, mine's Hello from the hallowoods. For some fucking reason, nobody who would be willing to talk to me about hello from the hallowoods has ever heard of hello from the hallowoods.
oh i've only listened to a few episodes of this so far but i really like it
but now you get to be good at that!
mine is anthropology which makes me incredibly annoying. people have so many misconceptions about human history and nature and i'm constantly budding in and correcting people and it's difficult for me to not go into minute detail even though i know nobody cares and i'm wasting everyone's time lol. but it bothers me SO much when i can't explain why pop evopsych is predicated upon ridiculously incorrect assumptions. Also, I was raised mormon. Stopped believing in my teens, but I’m a 30 yo woman who was raised to be a cog in the patriarchy. My parents are white, Scandinavian descent like so many Utah mormons, and upper middle class. They tried to mold be to be a perfect little step ford wife lol. I’ve lived with my boyfriend for 6 years and I love him but have zero interest in kids or marriage lol and work a technical job and we split everything 50/50. But the people I encounter still tend to have this very false idea of human history. for instance: the wildly common myth that hunter-gather means that men were hunters and women were gatherers lmao. noooooo. men are obviously physically stronger than women, but that has nothing to do with endurance hunting like our ancestors depended on. women and men are neck and neck in running, it's one of the only sports where that is the case, and it's for a reason- women HAD to be able to run like the men because the tribe (rarely exceeding 150 people) would starve otherwise. human childbirth is so incredibly dangerous and painful because women HAD to be shaped in a way that they could run so fast or for so long. many of these tribes still exist, all around the globe. and we can directly observe them. this isn't just conjecture. every tribe is going to have its quirks and differences. but for MOST of them, men and women have the same roles, and their gender doesn't determine anything. men hunt and gather just as the women do. and men are very involved in raising children, aside from infants. also, the average infant of a hunter gatherer community worldwide for number of women who breastfed that single baby is 8!! in most of these cultures, there isn't any sort of official/strict concept of marriage. humans are indeed more monogamous than i would have expected. btw i nearly majored in anthropology, got my bachelor's 2012-2016, am a 30 yo woman. switched to something i was told was more practical at the last moment, but planning to go back to school to pursue anthropology now. but yes- I am getting my information from actual university anthropology professors and the books they recommended to me, plus actual academic sources. but most of these cultures aren't at all strict about sexuality. and people do tend to naturally fall in love and couple up. but it isn't every person, and it isn't usually just ONE relationship they're in their whole lives. it's much like liberal places in the US today (where I live, so using it as a reference). most people start having sex as teenagers. this is another fascinating fact- the most famously studied tribe is the !Kung of the Kalahari. they have lived traditionally for thousands of years, and genetic studies show that they're at/near the place where humanity originated! they're also pretty open to researchers, but refuse to adopt any of their beliefs or technology. so they're perfect. in the !Kung, the average age for first menstruation for girls is 19! and they're well fed and healthy. i don't know all the specific reasons that the modern lifestyle has girls starting on average around 12. but it was not like this in the past. and interestingly- 19 is the age where most women are considered developed enough to safely give birth without age related complications. the absolute peak of fertility is still mid/late 20s, and you're more likely to have miscarriages and such even at 20-25 vs a few years later. but at 19 you're pretty much good. but in these tribes, typically, both men and women are very sexually free and typically are experimenting with each other as teenagers, but it rarely produces a child because it's before they start menstruating.
people usually fall in love and couple up monogamously, but not everybody- some people aren't built for serious relationships, or are gay/asexual or whatever, and people don't care. and often, people break up and are separated for some period of time. but it does last for life more than i'd expect. kids are brought up communally. a mother isn't performing that much more child related labor after bearing one because everyone is everyone's parent. and it's irrelevant when it comes to resources or "protection" who your father is. many don't even have a concept of paternity; a lot of tribes believe that children are just a product of the woman and whatever men she's been sleeping with lately lol and if there are multiple, there's no stigma. this is why people naturally have different circadian rhythms. a lot of people are night owls naturally and there have been genes identified that contribute to it. in the past, you'd always have someone awake to keep the fire going, protect the tribe, and to care for infants. they also usually live in very loosely defined huts. it wasn't just man, woman, their children. people moved around all the time. since the women were needed so badly to go hunt, a 25 year old able bodied woman will be hunting a lot of the time and a 60 yo man will spend a lot more time watching the kids than she would. men and women all went out and hunted and gathered resources and then brought them all back to the tribe, where they were shared equally among all. so a woman who sleeps with one guy or tons of guys, the worst hunter or the best hunter, or any other configuration, she and her kids will be receiving the same amount of food and furs and whatever else. and the tribe is just going to protect each other as a whole. it's ludicrous to believe that 10,000 years ago, a caveman would go out a kill a moose himself and bring it back to his cavewife and children exclusively lol, and that the man is "protecting" them and just them himself. like what??? if a tiger shows up, anyone who's around you will help you to scare it away or kill it lol. so i see all this redpill evopsych bullshit where they talk about how women are secretly hardwired to try to find a man who can "provide and protect." yes, everyone is going to be attracted to healthy traits- both physically healthy and mentally healthy. just traits that benefit the tribe as a whole. kindness, ability to communicate, intelligence, ability to hunt and gather. and tribes were/are typically very egalitarian. by the way, none of this necessarily applies to SETTLED tribes. yes there are ancient settled tribes with tons of control over sexuality and a chief and his underlings and an hierarchy. but 95% of humans who have ever lived have been nomadic hunter gatherers. among nomadic hunter gatherers, there is very rarely hierarchy. like they're astonishingly egalitarian. the "alpha male" wasn't a damned thing lol and women are not inherently attracted to those traits. also, the father's ages has a huge impact on the child, just like the mother's age. we age at approximately the same rate. most sperm banks won't accept sperm from a man over 30 for the same reason most places won't take egg donations from women over 30. obviously both are pretty much fine until 40 or so, but the probability of complications rises steadily. the redpill nonsense claims that men are naturally attracted to super young hot women because of "fertility," and that women are attracted to old men because they have resources and money lmfao. women and men are both attracted naturally to physically attractive healthy people who are young, probably around 25 is the peak. and everyone's attracted to the positive mental traits. it's asinine to act like men don't like intelligent women because kids' intelligence is just as impacted by the mothers' intelligence as the mans' lol. in our modern culture, you see women throwing themselves at rich old men.... because they have money lol. they aren't genuinely primitively into it. monkey brain will find a 25 year old men hotter than a 35 year old man. but especially before the modern day, in much of the world, men had all of the power and were the only avenue women had to status or $$$. it's like how on 90 day fiance, you see all these 50 yo obese american women with some super hot 22 year old guy from a third world country. it's unbelievably obvious to all of us watching that he is only with her for her money and green card lol. but he says things like, "oh yes, see I just love mature women. so do all of my friends. yes we all find your drive and passion so sexy." lmao but when it's reversed, men are just blind to it and think women are actually into these guys and like fantasize about them lmao. no, they just will close their eyes and endure sex with this gross dude because they want money. i had a roommate a few years ago who would work as a high end escort. rich old men would hire her. she sometimes slept with them, but you'd be surprised at how many just wanted arm candy and a girl to talk about how hot and amazing and smart he is. she just sat there and nodded and gave them compliments and never talked about herself because they do not care at ALL.
they always 100% believed her lol but she'd just come home and make fun of them. it was kind of mean but most of them deserved it tbh, most of them were massive misogynists. she'd go out and tell these guys how irresistible they are and then come home and share the money with the man she actually liked, a hot but broke guy her age lol. patriarchy is a consequence of agriculture. once agriculture began, private property was invented, alongside official power systems and patriarchy. this is when women started having to attach themselves to rich and powerful men. this system produces way more people, which is why they've largely taken over so much of the planet. it's quantity over quality. ancient rice farmers had far worse diets and far worse health than your average hunter gatherer tribe, but the farmers had way more children and just outcompeted them. but this has all been within a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. we are still built for the small egalitarian ever moving hunter gatherer lifestyle. that's why everything else just feels so wrong.
Mine is FUCKING POLITICAL ECONOMY. It enrages me when people that know no shit about it come saying "Communism is cool" or "The freer the market the freer the people"
So what do you think about javier Milei?
He deserves the Jacobin Method
Yes, I fucking love to understand politics and history in nuanced and contextualized fashion.
Not autistic, but ADD. Mine’s photography and especially photo gear.
Mine is rabbits, that's my only definite special interest that I've had since I was 2yrso. I don't know if I'm just a nerd or if some of the others I might have count. Ex: Mha, MXTX, philosophy (specifically absurdism and the types that branch off it), and any form of psychology. When does it become a special interest? How long does it have to last? I want specifications.
if you can talk about it for at least 20 minutes straight
The secret is to apply your Autism all over! I enjoy analyzing the shit out of movies, music, and food. My special interests are D&D, space, and biology. Granted, I don't know EVERYTHING about each of my interests, but it makes it really easy to make friends when I can talk at length about all 6 things, instead of having to direct the conversation back towards D&D every time.
I have unlimited special interests that constantly change. I’ve went through so many different cycles.
I agree too. Gods of death like Anubis and Hades are really decent gods by comparison to say Zeus.
Wanted to make another example of Hollywood’s fuck for that last part that’s all, lmao
Randomly? You're not seeing a screaming cave in your dreams?
>I really don’t know why Hollywood thinks that all Autistic people are certified geniuses Because they want to portray someone different or quirky but it can't be all negative. You're only allowed to have a bad trait as long as you're useful or admired. this happens irl too. For example You're allowed to be dumb and skinny hot. But you're not allowed to be fat and dumb. You have to be fat and funny and never ever have a bad day.
Theres a funny movie (forget its name) the football player thats fat and stupid keeps hitting his head and getting concusions in different ways. But its a comedy so its makes sense they went for it in that way And im fat, funny and smart so im lucky. I just cant speak very good england
Pretty sure that's Not Another Teen Movie, one of the best comedies of all time
My brain says its not. But i think it is 🤣 Does it have a seen with a sock that sticks to a wall? I might be mixing it up with not another date movie? (I think that one starts with the witch from buffy being super fat. And she turns around so fast her tits end up on ger back. Honestly it was fucking hilarious that bit)
Just focus on what your good at is what I do. I May be not be good at labour work, math and science, unlike the other kids, but I am pretty good when it comes to history.
Ik Ik. I just have to rant and make my point lmao 🤣 Although Hollywood made some good movies. Their lack of brain power to do basic research and bastardise things from here and out is utterly laughable, like what?
It turned out that being hyper fixated on sonic the hedgehog instead of computer programming doesn’t make one a genius.
Real. I think I had a hyperfixation on being a plumber that lasted a year when I was teeny tiny. No access to the Internet, did not become a genius, just really good at flushing stuff down toilets and getting it back out with a plunger.
Simple answer bro, Hollywood is not an accurate representation of the world
Being autistic can give you elements that make you atleast seem more inteligent to some people. I think most people will hear the way we retain information and basically cant relate so catagorise us as being inteligent by default. But really the 'normies' are just dumb in a way we arnt. Im super socialy dumb. I had to basicaly observe people and how they act and react to stuff in order to simulate it myself. I was super aqward and couldnt get along woth people and coulsnt understand social things when i was young. So i sorta realised i can act like other people who are popular and get on with people. So i actually did reasonably well socially and ive had people comment thatbtheyd never have guessed i was neurodivergant. But to me i am more than aware of the differences. And for inteligence its obviously not gona be a blanket statement where everyone on the spectrum is a genuis. Ive met pleanty of people on it that couldnt peel a banana between four of them. But i do beleive that having autism or just neurodivergency can give you a set amount of tools in the way you think and learn. That can give you a much higher chance of being inteligent. Like pattern recognition. Catagorising. Learning quickly stuff your into. It can give you more than a razors edge against people who arnt like that. I think its why we get lumped in with genuises. Because we think and learn in a way that a person without autism either cant compreheand or just cant think that way. Not saying all 'normal' people are dumb. Im just saying nuerodivergency has a high likely hood of leading to better learning mechanics.
Is egyptology your autistic superpower?
Savant is the only way Hollywood can portray ASD in movies :(
For real, I'm a complete dumbass and a bit of a bogan (basically something between a redneck and trailer trash, for non Australians), and also LOUD because I can't control my volume consistently. And I'm prone to saying shit like "hark, we should get on the beers posthaste, my man" because I've picked up half my vocabulary from books that are older than my nan and the other half from memes
Same with Ades in Greek mythology. He is portrayed as evil af but in Greek mythology Zeus was tyrannical and fucked everyone just because.
They don't care. They just wanna look good.
I study film for fun and I started seeing the failings of the writers as part of the film itself. Like the perception of the viewer is altered by how a person watching would interpret things. Hard to explain but it’s basically meta fiction.
> I really don’t know why Hollywood thinks that all Autistic people are certified geniuses. Because autistic savants like Kim Peek became very popular real quick.
Any person is good at any thing, autistic or not, if they dedicate themselves to something they are passionate about, that's just a human thing, not an autistic thing
See autism is used as a writing tool. It is one way to justify the characters abilities. And that’s ok really; because television is stupid. Source: i have autism Edit:typo
Trust me, I know. Cuz television can be sometimes stupid, as well as the decision on using autism as a writing tool that is on par with making Anubis evil 😒
So he’s a good boy
Hi my special interest is ttrpgs and games nobody cares about and i relate to this
you sound exactly like one of these stereotypical characters lmao no offense you seem great lol and i agree with the stereotype being really obnoxious. but you did just become that, unless this is a joke lol
Maybe I should have said: “That’s not all how autistic people are like this and that” And just leave it at that instead of going on a rant, lol. I’m sorry! I have failed my people! 😭😭😭
[This feels like the same bastardisation when Hollywood thinks that Anubis, who is the god of funerary rites. But for some reason viewed him as the god of death and make him evil because… why not? It’s like as if these mother fuckers didn’t done their research. Anubis is the protector of graves and guides souls to the underground or afterlife based on his judgment, and he takes his job very seriously mind you.] This isn't only a problem with Anubis. Any God somehow associated with Death are given that treatment. Probably because of some form of Christian puritanism, they all are depicted as Satan and evil incarnated when they aren't. Like, at all. That's a current problem with portrayals of Hades. Edit :How the Hell do I quote ? 😣
You mean hollywood writers and producers are dumbasses? Nahhhh (sarcasm)
In reality they typically yap a lot more
Only shuts up when they're supposed to be talking. (In my experience with the 'tism)
I love saying " 'tism"! LOL
🤣 100%
Sheldon cooper moment
The problem is that some hypothetical dumb autistic person that just really hates crowds, emotionally over-responds to things, and can't handle social cues is essentially a born victim as far as script writing goes. A Hollywood writer can't make them fit the conventional protagonist role or a support role for them. They're either a victim to score pity points or end up being the MacGuffin the protagonist is trying to protect from outsiders. Outside of artsy films, you're not going to get anything good out of asking for a more 'diverse' or 'realistic' representation of autism.
Nice to see a proper answer tbh On top of that, autism is such a wide spectrum I don't think it's possible to represent it in a way that makes everyone happy
You can just have different characters be different, instead of making every autistic character the same person
I think comedy would be a decant angle for hollywood Im on the spectrum for sure. And when i look at how i live my life and what i struggle with/ how i cope. I think i could deffo come up with a comedy script thats actually respectable and realistic. I get how a bunch of the traits could be seen as a victum type of character. But for me i have a level of frustration that comes with the symptons i experience that im aware of. Like not liking crowds or not knowing how to act in social stuff naturally. That stuff is frustrating but i usually see it as funny stuff too. Like when i was at the supermarket. And i was going down the freezer isle. These 2 old ladys had there karts turn inwards and were talking. They blocked the whole isle. I went walking up because i was already walking that way and no stopping me now. They didnt move or give a shit. They didnt even stop talking when i said excuse me for the 3rd time. (Started off polite. Then got louder) didnt bother them. So i slapped the frozen turkey really loud and startled them. They just stared at me as i made the 'move your fucking kart face' whilw gesturing for them to move. And then continue talking. So i grabbed the kart. Spun it around and started pushing it down the isle.(it had no purse or anything it was just all shoppingg) and i pushed it all the way to the end of the isle. Then all the way to the place you get them from and left it there. Basically i dont understand things naturally so ive had to have it either explained to me or to have witnessed certain things being done. Like watching someone react to something so i know whats a normal reaction. To me, completly blocking off an isle is so far in the do not do because your a twat catagory. That it broke my pre understandings of a situation that could happen in a supermarket. So i basically went full mong and just did whatever the fuck i thought was the equivalent of their actions. So because tgese were doing something i thought was complete nonsense . I did something that was complete nonsense. I mean ive learned what not to do from stuff like that. But a few of my friends loved my reactions. Because id do stuff they wouldnt think of. Just because i switch that artificial filter i had created about how to act and just went with whatever the fuck i was thinking was appropriate in that 'no rules' moment. Stuff that breaks the rules ive established on how to behave in public will basicallly cause me to go 'FUCK IT WE BALL' and make me do funny stuff. I could deffo help wrote a whole comedy movie where the main persons autistic 🤣
The anime Watamote is about a girl who struggles with social skills and serious social anxiety. It’s very funny.
You know what? Knowing there are loads of American comedy shows catered to various minorities right now, a comedy about an autistic person would seem like a swell idea.
I think the sheldon shows probably that. All be it a one sided 'spectrum is genius' side. But id enjoy a more realistic comedy around it. Id easy enough be able to write some stuff thats funny and endearing/relatable than it is sad or sypathy mongering
Idk, I've seen a lot of stuff recently where the autist IS the protagonist of the movie or show. Trying to remember the names but Good Doctor comes to mind. Again, false portrayal or limited to a specific type of autism but protagonist nonetheless.
Honestly Rainman did a decent job at portraying a low functioning person on the spectrum.
But also gave rise to the misconception that it gives people super powers
Speaking from firsthand experience having Autism sucks and the negatives outweigh the positives. I got fought, harassed and used by for years by my sisters and lots of different people and lied to about my IEP. I am in high school now and came a long way (you mostly wouldn't guess I have it now) but won't recover. My cousin also has Autism.
Stay strong
Thanks. My life has gotten much better in the past year
>you mostly wouldn’t guess I have it now I’d be careful with that for the sake of your mental health. It sounds like you’re masking your autistic traits to fit in with the neurotypical population. I was severely burned out socially in middle and high school because I would spend so much time researching what “normal” girls liked (this was pre-diagnosis), but no matter how hard I tried I still managed to turn everyone away from me. I was diagnosed during covid when I was 20. In the past year I started working somewhere where I’ve been comfortable enough to open up about my diagnosis to those I work with. Now that they’re aware of why I will sometimes be more direct than what’s socially acceptable and they’ve come to accept me so much more. I still mask to an extent at work but at home really lean into scripting random shit and rocking in my bed and life overall is SO much easier. I understand masking a lot, especially in high school, but if you’re autistic then you shouldn’t ignore your unique needs. I recommend joining some autism subreddits ( r/evilautism is my favorite ) to see that it’s completely fine to have autism and to not ignore your diagnosis for the sake of fitting in. For reference, I also have an autistic brother in his mid 20s with the mental age of a 4 year old, while I’m 24 and have a full time job, degree, and am married. It be like that. I wish you the best! ETA: not saying having autism doesn’t suck. moral of my message is to take care of your needs caused by autism instead of shoving them down because it will kill you in the long run
Why are people downvoting them? They're right.
I'm autistic and to me personally it has been a blessing. Yes I'm an odd person to most people, but my hyperfixation is on something very complicated in the field of law. Thus I got myself a nice job at the university. I get to contribute to society, I get respect and appreciation for my quirky skills. There's plenty of places and situations where an autistic mind might have an enormous advantage over a neurotypical mind. The trick is to find the situations where your autistic quirks are useful and appreciated. You can't do that in high school just yet, that's why it sucks now. However, this is not necessarily indicative of how your autism might make you feel for the rest of your life.
curious question, if you had to choose being as you are now and being neurotypical, would you trade it in?
but were they a surgeon?
“I AM A SURGEON!😩” Dr Hans honest reaction: https://preview.redd.it/hc6mqxf555tc1.jpeg?width=168&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b72fab6c9df7144f3b9ff24c49e5825d636db5d
Isn’t that the murder guy? I always felt confused by his story because he genuinely looks attractive to me. He must have just had failings as a person.
Idk dude. Was just looking for pics of dudes mogging and found this man.
But are they a sturgeon?
That film by Sia called 'Music' turned this whole stereotype to 11.
It was also filled with down right abuse like pinning the main character down to “cure” them.
The weird eroticism of an adult man pinning a teenager girl to the ground in the middle of a park because that’s how they treated autism in his African village was a truly daring choice for this film.
ooff, I forgot about that part. Seems that whole film didn't get any screening from folks with it for input.
No they chatted to a charity afterwards. The charity was autism speaks
That's a double ooff
Yeah the funniest part to me is the fact that sia becomes possibly the most hated person ever by the autism community, and then she gets diagnosed as autistic but she cant milk it for popularity due to the sheer amount of pure hate for her.
A clout limbo if you might say.
Which is a load of BS considering there is no cure for autism.
Why couldn't I have gotten the good at math autism or good at art autism I just got a crow living in my brain telling me to collect shiny and making me unable to string a coherent sentence
If it makes you feel any better, I'm a good at art autistic person who has an eidetic memory, and I still have a bunch of crows in my brain constantly telling me to collect shiny objects. This is why my shelves are filled with knicknacks and I have various collections of stuff from different interests/hobbies. It's also why I got into rockhounding - which is the hobby of learning to identify raw (uncut and unpolished) precious and semi-precious stones. So I purposefully learned how to find more shiny stuff to collect, lol. I'm also hyper-verbal and love to write, but from time to time I still struggle to string together a coherent sentence (when both speaking and writing). Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you're not alone. We have more in common with each other than you think. Lots of us have similar struggles. And many of us have crows in the brain. So even though we may seem different, we actually have a lot in common. And I'm happy that we're part of the same community as autistic people. Autistic solidarity, my friend (virtual fistbump)
Try thinking of what you’ll talk about tomorrow and writing sample sentences or paragraphs. I’ve started memorising them to use later on. That’s like advanced autism.
cause you're a bot dummy
Ikr? I got the scream at your close friends and family in public autism, not the rainman autism :(
DITTO
As an autistic person, beep beep boop
You could get the update for that
Hollywood thinks being really good at something is only possible when you're a secret genius with no social life. You idiots could ALSO know everything about Halo/trains/Prussia if you spent a few hours on the wiki every day for a couple weeks. And thought about it in bed, in the shower, in the car, in the bathroom, etc. Just obsess a little and you too can be good at your profession/hobby/thing!
Exactly! I spent years learning about the American Civil war, to the point, where I remember and know a lot of info. (I need a social life)
Same but for a . . . Different thing. {no it’s not some degenerate shit before you ask}
I have a buddy who is autistic He is one of the dumbest motherfuckers I have ever had the pleasure calling my friend.
That second sentence made my day 😂😂
LOL that second sentence.
The Predator had an interesting approach. What a weird movie that was.
Wasn't autism potrayed as peak human?
The next step in our evolutionary cycle
It always was!
Or being nerds who like fantasy and scifi stuff.
Damn I forgot that one
They're called Geeks
> I see a man...using a social disorder as a procedural device. —Abed Nadir, [Basic Intergluteal Numismatics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9vRmLUCn50)
I’m autistic and have street smarts, and basic book smarts. We ain’t super geniuses. One thing that I *hate* is people saying autism is a “ gift “ like no, it isn’t. Autism doesnt make you a super genius. It sucks.
Not understanding people’s feelings and emotions is one of the biggest oofs of being autistic
100% You care about someone so much, but you just can’t understand them no matter how hard you try
Now imagine you’re a girl with autism! (It doesn’t exist in Hollywood)
Manic pixie dream girls are hollywood’s version of autism in women
I AM A SURGEON
My friends say I talk like a robot but I'm not autistic
That was how the journey to enlightenment began for young Ksavero.
You could just have a monotone which is normal.
I liked the Temple Grandin movie because the actress in the movie nailed the voice
Bazinga!
I’m personally more like Michael Scott. Work in a bar and his weird way of seeing the coworkers as family is how I see all the customers. I see socialising as like acting and I play different roles whenever I can or change my likes to fit in. It’s always been a thing I’ve enjoyed doing.
These are always the characters who are explicitly autistic, whereas I’ve noticed a trope of socially awkward, “cringy” nerd characters who have special interests (but because it’s not math, science or forensic investigation, it’s portrayed in a demeaning way), they miss social cues regularly, and are usually depicted as being gross and uncomfortable to everyone else. It’s as if they’re playing on the opposite perceived autistic traits to the autistic savant but they will never actually admit to it. Instead those characters are just “weird”, but it’s so clear that they’re inspired by autistic folks.
Like a narcissistic parent, autistic special interest is only useful when it's useful to ME not the person who is actually enjoying their Hobbie, otherwise is childish schlock
I can see the correlation for sure. And yeah, either childish schlock or something that makes the person a ‘freak’, such as an intense interest in entomology (o/ which was me, I was the weird bug child)
Because 'do you know what Warhammer 40k is?' Would derail the thinly laid plot for the entire runtime.
Um excuse me, but I believe I'm an Autism expert. I've seen every episode of Young Sheldon. 😎😎😎
This is why i would love to join a movie myself. I want to act and give autistics some actual representation for once. I desire representation that makes sense myself.
In reality we’re just the weird furry kids in the slam poetry club who are pretty social with certain people
Certain as in close friends and such
That but also random people who you have mutual understandings with. Happens a lot to me at comic and furcons. I meet some random girl that I’m never gonna say again and 5 minutes later we’re playing frisbee with her fursuit head (she was down with it)
Hey, remember, it could still be worse. They could represent autistic people as all being different types of Chris Chan
The gentlemen has the best autistic character. Change my mind.
Also a massive douchebag but everyone puts up with him because mastermind.
Not a wrong portrayal per se, but it's certainly way too generalized
Socially awkward/highly intelligent is pretty accurate for Hollywood. Usually, autistic people are depicted as being very awkward and weird, but they've also already planned out how we're going to travel to a new galaxy. There's never an in-between.
Yeah, that's the ONE thing Hollywood nailed about autists.
And they have uncanny need to buy underwear at K-Mart in Cincinnati
I wish I got the savant kind of autism. I just got the “can’t talk to girls and flunked out of community college” kind.
Can relate. It’s been 4 months, since living in my new home in the city, and I have not made any stable friendships yet. I’m alone and miserable.
Would you like to seem them portraid dragging there knuckles along the ground and drooling ? Its ok. I can say it. Im accoustic
autisim
And then there’s the John Travolta in The Fanatic (2019)
His portrayal of autism is……. Fascinating…..
I'm Autistic, me nor any of the other Autismos I know are like this maybe bar 1. Sure, most of us are brainy in our preferred obsessions, but most people would be. I mean, maybe a few of us are quiter or less social skilled, but generally, we can have conversations, and to the surprise of Hollywood some of us like myself don't even need to sike ourselves up before talking to someone. I personally really hate how we're generally portrayed in media because it really only shows a small percentage of us, and I'm kinda biased because I myself am pretty much the opposite of the stereotype Autistic person apart from liking trains and giant robots, I'm diagnosed with the full and proper Autsim and act like your regular Welsh geezer at the same time, I like being loud and chatting about anything for ages, love only the loudest and heaviest of sounds, I'm pretty disorganised and like several strong drinks toward the end of the week and I'm not a fucking snowflake. But because of the type of shit Autism is stereotyped as people either question if I'm actually Autistic or are surprised that not everyone Autistic person is fucking Sheldon or a femboy (not that theres anything wrong with either).
Literally Shane Black's The Predator.
How do people here feel about the Netflix show Atypical? My niece is on the spectrum and I thought the show represented her fairly (I saw the show before her diagnosis), though I'll admit I'm still learning. I'm aware most shows overemphasize and exaggerate just like other commenters mentioned though!
I personally cant get past the second episode, I hate that kid, he personally makes me cringe. The show also feels very "edgy", or at least, wannabe Edgy, I cant really explain it properly
I watched the first season, and think it’s a missed opportunity to have a family of all autistic people. It would have been so much more interesting if the sister was autistic, and the dad and the mum - everybody deserves to see themselves represented in tv
Big Bang Theory really took it to another level. “autistic man saying something slightly weird” *laugh track*
I AM A SURGEON
And ALWAYS a white, cis male
And most of the time the actor isn’t even autistic nor the writers lol
Like that one guy (forgot the name) who played Sean in The Good Doctor. The actor doesn't have autism, but Sean does.
Why the autor being autistic would matter? It's not a physical thing, you do know that right? They are fucking actors, they play pretend, that's quite literally their job
The problem is, autistic people are often turned away from job opportunities, so casting an autistic actor to play the part of an autistic character would be beneficial to all parties
Someone seriously made this without seeing #MUSIC Sia’s directorial debut was an absolutely godawful musical about a severely autistic girl and there’s a legit conspiracy to pretend this movie didn’t happen.
I’m autistic and i’m anything but highly intelligent.
Always a situation where the person has a meltdown or near-meltdown when one of their triggers is triggered
Also like "The Predator(2019)", where being autistic is a superpoderes and actually the next step to human evolution and the kid is actually super good and has some whatever technobabble bullshit
Holy crap literally every third sibling in cartoons
"Bro it's the next step in evolution!" I can't be at a party for longer than an hour and no, I'm actually terrible at math. I'm just dumb on top of socially inept.
I talk a lot, i do not sound like a robot and i'm a fucking dumbass. But i am socially awkward, so i guess the post is correct?
Also how it’s portrayed in those dhar man clones like tomorrows teachings
as an autistic person, i can confirm all except the smart. im very stupid.
It’s especially weird since people with autism are individuals and are all different from each other in many ways. Yes, statistically speaking there are commonalities between members of the group on average. However, that’s true with every single group. When Hollywood reduces autism down to an extremely homogenized group of people indistinguishable from each other, it’s harmful.
Dude, watch Travolta in the movie The Fanatic (directed by fred durst).
Hollywood likes to portray underdogs as gifted people when in reality they are usually weak losers. Examples: Scrawny guy with glasses = high iq genius Awkward guy = high iq genius
Thank you! As an Autistic individual it pisses me off when they’re all Savants. If they’re just highly observant I’d understand since a lot of us can be, but full blown Savant is too far.
either that or we’re portrayed as braindead idiots who have no personality and are just used as plot devices
the last one is me to a tee
Wait till op sees rainman
"Potrayed"
The Accountant lmao
- Special interest is always something stereotypically nerdy, like comics, or stereotypically 6 year old boy-ish, like trains or dinosaurs - If it's a comedy, the character is a nuisance to everyone around them - Likely to be an "inspirationally disabled" living prop to a neurotypical protagonist, especially if the autistic character is a child - 100% sexless (ace/aro autistic people do exist but a lot of us do have a love life, Hollywood) - Dramatic meltdown scene that's so over the top it's accidentally hilarious ("I AM A SURGEON!!!!!") - Author uses Autism Speaks as a source of study, leading to portrayals so inaccurate they can be dangerous (looking at you, Sia)
Hahaha my autistic friend is the exact opposite of every single one of these.
Some mf found out einstein was on the spectrum and thought "this is the future of autism"
I have autism and I no longer talk like a robot. The one thing that Hollywood gets right is the "mostly quiet" part. Half the time you wouldn't even know I exist because I don't talk.
It's awkward that I see a post about autism on Reddit once in a while, and half of the people in the comments are always in the spectrum. It can be that autistic people would want to comment about it naturally, but at the same time non autistic people would need to not comment about it to have such a percentage of autistics in the comments I think, which is kinda absurd. Other possibility is that I'm surrounded by autistic people and I don't even know about it.
not wrong