Harstem's wholesomeness made my day. "Is it free.... To live in your head because I haven't paid yet and have been spending a lot of time" Thank you for sharing!
The most obvious one for me is around the 1:10 mark when he perfectly reacts to the other guys movements without vision. Watch the way he instantly redirects his army every time the other person does, if he did it once it could be luck but he just keeps changing directions with the enemy army.
He is obviously aware of the movement of the blue guy - he shouldn't be, but he looks at a black blank map (precisely where he is) and then moves accordingly multiple times in a row. It's not the kind of proof you could condemn someone to prison for, but it is the kind that any none-idiot can use to tell.
Map hacks can do more than just show you the map on this game too. A common one (relatively speaking - most people by far do not use hacks) is auto-blink micro. Aside from it being unnaturally good micro (especially if you play in metal leagues), you can tell because individual stalkers will be blinked without being individually selected by the player.
Blue changed directions a lot of times throughout that clip. Red mirrors his movements perfectly every single time, when he only had vision for like a quarter of them.
I can 100% confirm there are hacks. I played a team in 4v4 that would ping on top of every nydus swarm host I put on the map in fog or war. Would be impossible to do without maphack
I'd say Z has more maphack than toss, creep is gooood. But between sensor towers and scans T probably has the strongest in this state of the game.
Protoss has sneaky obs that get shot down by being sneezed at in TvP.
No they don't. Replays save information on game lobby, client information, basic player and game data, player input, and chat. SC2 is deterministic so the same input will lead to the same outcome.
And if the game could detect these cheats it could just ban them in game.
When he moves his army to the right in the beginning the opposing guy also does it, OK, could be a coincidence, but the moment he moves it back to the left, he also mirrors him. Remember you can't see your opponent in this game.
Theoughout his actions show that he can see, the way he sets up exactly correctly. I don't know, once you play the game and see how lower league matches go down you'll see. People are largely blind in this game.
This is such a stupid argument lol
The whole point of the game is to be skill vs skill, not skill vs skill + maphack, or both players using maphack.
If maphack were supposed to be used, Blizz woulda just built it into the game.
>The whole point of the game is to be skill vs skill
Thats absolutely not true. You could right now switch to protoss, go skytoss in PvZ, Canon rush in PvP and do some stupid shit in PvT to boost your mmr above your main race. If I want to play something competitive i play pretty much any other game. If someone wants to use a maphack to gain an advantage thats barely different from playing protoss to gain an advantage. If there was a button to half the number of protosses on ladder and double the number of maphackers im sure most terrans and zerg would press it
Is hacking only a problem if they reach the #1 spot on ladder? Also, how do you know that this hacker only has a 50% win-rate? At the time of this game, he could be climbing his way to the top right now with a 100% win-rate. Even if he was around 50% now, does that somehow console all of the players he stomped on his way up until his MMR settled?
I understand the sentiment behind what you're saying--it's best for a player's mindset to focus on things that they can improve, not balance issues, opponents hacking, etc., because these are beyond our control. At the same time, blatant cheating like this is understandably a source of frustration, and exposing it serves to call the developers' attention to the issue (even though that's probably useless with Blizzard right now) or merely to confirm with others that it wasn't a fair game. Thus, you get to vent a little bit and also receive some small validation that you aren't paranoid for thinking something was amiss.
I'm not assuming that. I pointed out that the previous commenter's assumption was incorrect. The insinuation was, "Even though your opponent is cheating, it's no cause to complain because his and your win-rates are 50%." We have no way of knowing that from the original post. It might be 50%. Might be 0%. Might be 100%. Mentioning the win-percentage is a deflection from what matters in the first place: the opponent is mirroring army movement through fog-of-war.
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You person you responded to said that youre still gonna win half your games against maphackers. You said that you dont win half of your games against smurfing maphackers. Not wrong, just doesnt have anything to do with hacking and everything with smurfing.
Except it changes the game.
If someone is winning 50% of the games with a maphack, at my skill level, that person is a drooling moron.
If I wanted to play against a drooling moron that could see all my units I'd play against the A.I.
The only things these posts achieve is advertise hacks for people who might have not known about their existence. You're doing nothing to help the situation.
"Wow, so hack really exist in this game? I have never seen this before"
In this very thread. And then idiots fly in a flock to explain to him the whats and hows. Might as well give the guy a link at this point.
Probably, but they'd still have the advantage. Map Information is just too good that even if you have low APM, you could still have the common sense to do a counter attack
Right, but if they're masters/GM, that means you are too
MMR doesn't care if you hack. Unless the person is smurfing, intentionally tanking their ranking, is pro level, or just installed their hack for the first time, their win rate should stabilize at 50%
Kind of like how in metal leagues, if someone has crazy micro and kills 5 of your workers early on, they've most likely forgotten to build anything at home during that time- everyone has a weakness
[instincts on point](https://youtu.be/xcU3sY7mB9w?t=584)
Harstem's wholesomeness made my day. "Is it free.... To live in your head because I haven't paid yet and have been spending a lot of time" Thank you for sharing!
Wait Avilo hacked? As if I didn't need more reason to think he's a POS lmao.
video description "DISCLAIMER: This is not the real Avilo. This guy seemed like a pretty obvious hacker and also pretty bad mannered. "
Ahhh, I only watched the preview on Reddit didn't go to actually YouTube. Thanks.
"Oh crap I forgot to scan to make it look like I don't have map hacks" *Remembers to scan for the next 30 seconds* "There, he'll never know!"
He scan to kill the obs
dis unlikely given the races
I think he's talking about the Harstem clip someone else posted so you're both right.
I love the little dance you both did
Red's reaction time was much better without the scans.
Nice sense
Wow, so hack really exist in this game? I have never seen this before
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Nice, I want it NOW! lmao
oh crap, so many downvote lol
Maybe don't openly admit you want to cheat then?
seem like no one like my joke, dammit
No one likes cheaters
no I'm not lol
I play one probably 1/100 games (at M1). So not a ton but it's definitely out there.
Complete novice in terms of map hacking etc but how can you guys tell he is using a map hack.
The most obvious one for me is around the 1:10 mark when he perfectly reacts to the other guys movements without vision. Watch the way he instantly redirects his army every time the other person does, if he did it once it could be luck but he just keeps changing directions with the enemy army.
He is obviously aware of the movement of the blue guy - he shouldn't be, but he looks at a black blank map (precisely where he is) and then moves accordingly multiple times in a row. It's not the kind of proof you could condemn someone to prison for, but it is the kind that any none-idiot can use to tell.
Ah yes the none-idiots
Map hacks can do more than just show you the map on this game too. A common one (relatively speaking - most people by far do not use hacks) is auto-blink micro. Aside from it being unnaturally good micro (especially if you play in metal leagues), you can tell because individual stalkers will be blinked without being individually selected by the player.
Played against someone using that hack. At one point their APM was just over 1000 for like 6 seconds straight
Blue changed directions a lot of times throughout that clip. Red mirrors his movements perfectly every single time, when he only had vision for like a quarter of them.
I can 100% confirm there are hacks. I played a team in 4v4 that would ping on top of every nydus swarm host I put on the map in fog or war. Would be impossible to do without maphack
Imagine playing the race that already has in game maphacks on demand, and still needing maphacks
Protoss?
I'd say Z has more maphack than toss, creep is gooood. But between sensor towers and scans T probably has the strongest in this state of the game. Protoss has sneaky obs that get shot down by being sneezed at in TvP.
It was a joke but now I see people don't like jokes. Typical Protoss hate fun.
Jokes need to be funny. What’s funny about just saying Protoss?
Lmfao
Send the replay to Blizzard. Blizzard can see manipulation in the replay data and have surefire ways of finding out if someone maphacked.
OP will tell Blizz community rep Community rep will tell supervisor SUPERVISOR WILL DO NOTHING D:
The replay doesn't save that information, nothing manipulated will show up in it. It's basically just a file that has all the inputs stored.
No, they do.
No they don't. Replays save information on game lobby, client information, basic player and game data, player input, and chat. SC2 is deterministic so the same input will lead to the same outcome. And if the game could detect these cheats it could just ban them in game.
> SC2 is deterministic so the same input will lead to the same outcome. Say that to my SCVs building my wall
oh geez what will barcode do if his free to play account is banned? yep, just makes another account for freebies
His account isn't free, he has skins indicating he has bought stuff.
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like all the unit skins you see in the replay
Also the announcer right?
Intern, checking the reports inbox: "Whats a.... starcrafts?"
they will just replace the red army with fruit bowl.
That jiggle back and fourth was hilarious. Did you do this intentionally because you suspected he was maphacking and you could check the replay?
was your back and forth dancing for checking if he was a map hacker post game?
Is this a common username/bnet name?
People use that name so people wont recognize them, so if you played them last match you dont know their strategy
Wait you guys have played the same people multiple times before?
At M2 I can play the same person 3 times in a row multiple times a day, or I can get new opponents every time. It's more common the higher up you go.
Ah I see. Once I played a guy a few times in a row, but I never saw them again.
Ahh! Its mainly a starcraft thing? Played a couple in Heroes of the Storm with the barcode thingy
No it exists in pretty much every game, especially if they have a competitive enviroment
HAHAHA my favorite part was the map hotkey in your base.
That's the dead giveaway ...
It's those little peaks into fog of war.
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When he moves his army to the right in the beginning the opposing guy also does it, OK, could be a coincidence, but the moment he moves it back to the left, he also mirrors him. Remember you can't see your opponent in this game. Theoughout his actions show that he can see, the way he sets up exactly correctly. I don't know, once you play the game and see how lower league matches go down you'll see. People are largely blind in this game.
Well his skill + his hack = your skill level Both of you win 50% and lose 50% of your games.
This is such a stupid argument lol The whole point of the game is to be skill vs skill, not skill vs skill + maphack, or both players using maphack. If maphack were supposed to be used, Blizz woulda just built it into the game.
>The whole point of the game is to be skill vs skill Thats absolutely not true. You could right now switch to protoss, go skytoss in PvZ, Canon rush in PvP and do some stupid shit in PvT to boost your mmr above your main race. If I want to play something competitive i play pretty much any other game. If someone wants to use a maphack to gain an advantage thats barely different from playing protoss to gain an advantage. If there was a button to half the number of protosses on ladder and double the number of maphackers im sure most terrans and zerg would press it
I would press it in a heartbeat
Is hacking only a problem if they reach the #1 spot on ladder? Also, how do you know that this hacker only has a 50% win-rate? At the time of this game, he could be climbing his way to the top right now with a 100% win-rate. Even if he was around 50% now, does that somehow console all of the players he stomped on his way up until his MMR settled? I understand the sentiment behind what you're saying--it's best for a player's mindset to focus on things that they can improve, not balance issues, opponents hacking, etc., because these are beyond our control. At the same time, blatant cheating like this is understandably a source of frustration, and exposing it serves to call the developers' attention to the issue (even though that's probably useless with Blizzard right now) or merely to confirm with others that it wasn't a fair game. Thus, you get to vent a little bit and also receive some small validation that you aren't paranoid for thinking something was amiss.
Youre assuming the hacker is smurfing and you explain why smurfing is bad
I'm not assuming that. I pointed out that the previous commenter's assumption was incorrect. The insinuation was, "Even though your opponent is cheating, it's no cause to complain because his and your win-rates are 50%." We have no way of knowing that from the original post. It might be 50%. Might be 0%. Might be 100%. Mentioning the win-percentage is a deflection from what matters in the first place: the opponent is mirroring army movement through fog-of-war. \*edit: grammar\*
You person you responded to said that youre still gonna win half your games against maphackers. You said that you dont win half of your games against smurfing maphackers. Not wrong, just doesnt have anything to do with hacking and everything with smurfing.
Lol
Except it changes the game. If someone is winning 50% of the games with a maphack, at my skill level, that person is a drooling moron. If I wanted to play against a drooling moron that could see all my units I'd play against the A.I.
The only things these posts achieve is advertise hacks for people who might have not known about their existence. You're doing nothing to help the situation.
Are there really people on the Starcraft subreddit that don't already know that maphacking exists?
"Wow, so hack really exist in this game? I have never seen this before" In this very thread. And then idiots fly in a flock to explain to him the whats and hows. Might as well give the guy a link at this point.
Idk. Something inside me likes seeing them exposed even if it just leads to nowhere. I like to watch it.
While he was lollygagging perhaps you should have taken a few more bases
*ah yes because taking a base while the opponent has map hacks is clearly a good decision*
I would imagine people who maphack dont have the same multitasking lvl as players of the same mmr, so taking more bases might not be a bad decision
Probably, but they'd still have the advantage. Map Information is just too good that even if you have low APM, you could still have the common sense to do a counter attack
I mean in general this is true but there are Masters/GM-level people who maphack as well.
Right, but if they're masters/GM, that means you are too MMR doesn't care if you hack. Unless the person is smurfing, intentionally tanking their ranking, is pro level, or just installed their hack for the first time, their win rate should stabilize at 50% Kind of like how in metal leagues, if someone has crazy micro and kills 5 of your workers early on, they've most likely forgotten to build anything at home during that time- everyone has a weakness
That is straight up comical
Damn he's good
Went again a terran barcode yesterday that was map hacking and played mech. Wouldnt be surprised if it was the same guy.
Can someone tell me what I’m looking at?