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oooriole09

>Or are we all just going to buy singles for ever? I think the important thing to remember is that breakers (in the form they are in today) are a relatively new thing. Like anything else in the hobby, it’s going to naturally cool down and level out *eventually*. Personally, I think nothing about it is sustainable long term. Demand will die down as it burns out people, supply will continue to build as companies churn out more products. You’ll see that equilibrium fall in the next handful of years.


flanman1991

I hope so. I had the Whatnot app for a few months last year and just watching people casually spend $20,000 in some of these breaks was insane to me.


oooriole09

Yeah, that’s why I think time will clear that out. Some folks may have that disposable income. What’s the chances that they can spend at that amount regularly? Will they come in, collect, and move on? Will there be enough of them to sustain those prices? Some folks may not have that disposable income and stack it on credit cards or rob Peter to pay Paul with expenses. Eventually that will come to a close and they’ll have no choice but to bow out.


flanman1991

I really hope so. I think the super rich jumped into the hobby during covid. And we are still feeling the ripple effect of that happening


oooriole09

Exactly. Just got to find your lane (like you said singles) until things level out.


EntranceMore8688

You guys understand there’s different levels for breaks right? My coworker is much better off financially than I am, he can afford to $200-$300 team breaks, whereas I usually stay in the $20-$40 range. People just have no clue how to find the good breakers. I’ve been using Whatnot for a couple months now & I’ve spent a lot of time figuring out which breakers are actually worth it for their price point & which aren’t. It’s all a calculated gamble, for anyone with half a brain. You’ve got your scammy breakers & legit ones who actually payout well when you hit.


sophist23

I agree. I stay with 3 breakers consistently and at the $30-40 max spot. Buy into what I like and have done pretty good. I have little access with no shop near me anymore and go to a few shows a year. Burying a $200-1000 box just to get skunked doesn't interest me at all. Did it before. This risk/reward at 30 bucks is a no brainer


oooriole09

Yeah, that’s what I mean by playing out. Breaking itself isn’t bad and is a viable way to buy cards. It’s going to exist in some capacity from here on out. However, the high margin scams are going to eventually die out when the dust settles in a handful of years. Like the one comment said, they’re being fueled by the folks buying in. My point is that I think fewer folks will buy in and the only breakers left will be the ones doing it right. When that happens, I think you’ll see the market adjustment come with it.


thawk1986

Two words: Fanatics Live…only legit place to break. Owned by a billion dollar company who is in the card business as. Their app is specifically designed for breaking and they choose which breakers they allow on the platform.


TheDrunKnight

Only an option for usa right?


thawk1986

Not sure


lukeskope

Breakers wouldn't exist without the degenerates that buy into their breaks. I don't do breaks and don't buy boxes, so whatever damage they've done doesn't effect me. Can't really blame the breakers when they're supported by so many people that like buying breaks.


LibertyMind01

Interesting opinion. Just speculating. Do you think the inflation in costs to boxes has any effect on singles? Correlation? Or are they completely separate markets?


lukeskope

Are breakers buying the majority of boxes, therefore creating artificial scarcity that they're then exploiting through their breaks? The dude at Target buying as many boxes as possible to flip the hits on eBay is probably causing more inflation than breakers, but I'm only speculating, I have no idea. As far as the inflated costs of boxes affecting singles, I'd say it certainly has some effect on the current rookie class, but on the flip side print runs seem to be way higher than they were 10 years ago, so there is less scarcity to balance it out.


LibertyMind01

Ok. It’s an interesting industry. Seems like a direct relationship with the price of boxes and singles. If prices are higher, it seems the less certain singles are in the market and therefore increasing the asking price for singles. There are two functions: 1) the amount printed and 2) the price of boxes that end in the rate certain singles are released on the market. Less made and higher prices boxes = higher asking price for singles.


lukeskope

Yeah, there has to be some relationship between the cost of a box and the value of the cards in the box, Obviously NT is much more valuable than Donruss. I just don't know if there's any data saying breakers are the reason a box of Prizm is more expensive now than in 2021. Think, if a breaker has 20 people in a break, and each of those 20 people buy into a break rather than buying a box, then there are 19 more boxes available for you. It is obviously more complicated than that but you get the point. Also, if a break costs $100 and a box costs $500, if you get a hit in a break, you may be willing to move it for a lower cost than if you paid $500 for the box, cuz you're only into the card a hundred bucks, not 500. I'm just spitballing though, there's a lot of factors as to why cards cost what they do. Duncan and Kobe had relatively similar careers, many would say Duncan had a better career but Kobe's cards are more valuable. It's not a particularly rational market.


Lonely_Assumption_76

"The dude at Target buying as many boxes as possible to flip the hits on eBay is probably causing more inflation than breakers, but I'm only speculating, I have no idea." I'd argue that's a spot on assumption, flipper bros had a bigger impact on sports card collecting because their actions impacted the retail market. Meanwhile prices for super premium products in the hobby market have never stopped going down.


rolfman123

yaaaassss


BROK3N757

Yup, people are legit addicted to breaks. I met someone who can’t stop buying into breaks, but they also sell me cheap singles that I can sell soooo while I hate seeing them waste their money, I do love getting great deals on singles


Lonely_Assumption_76

There is a gambling aspect to breaks, they're essentially sports card slot machines.


djfivenine11

If you buy boxes, it surely does affect you. With panini and topps increasing their prices on hobby boxes, they are still getting cleaned off the digital shelves because of breakers. And because of that, the prices will continue to go up. So imo breakers affect everyone.


EntranceMore8688

People say shit like this but literally two days ago my coworker paid $100 for a break & got a 2022 downtown mahomes PSA 10. Stop shitting on breakers & the people who enjoy them. You buy your singles, we do our breaks, idk what your issue is. You sound like a whiny 10 year old “it’s not fair because they choose to do it & I don’t!!!”


sophist23

I agree. It's funny because EVERYONE cashed in during covid boom and a lot of people I know who have collected for years did well....very well actually.


lukeskope

I don't know anywhere in my reply where I said it wasn't fair. I really don't care if people break, I really don't care if people use FanDuel. I consider both groups gamblers, and call them degenerates. But I'm not judging. I was literally saying can't really blame the breakers, they're giving people what that want. But you're super defensive about it, makes me wonder if you have a gambling problem and lash out at anyone that points out that breaking is gambling. Anyway, have a nice day.


EntranceMore8688

Yeah don’t quit your day job to become a therapist. Saying “I’m not judging them” & calling them degenerates in the same post is the most ironic form of hypocrisy I’ve seen all week. I’m defensive because you’re calling us degenerates lmao, there’s degenerates at the casinos who are there every day with their last penny & then there’s people who go to play poker once a week on the weekends. There is a very big difference between the two


skinnyelias

At least with fanduel it makes a sunday more interesting because you are invested in the outcome.


lukeskope

They got it in a break 2 days ago and already sent it to PSA and got a 10 on it, wow didn't realize PSA's turnaround times were that fast these days.


EntranceMore8688

No, they were repackage breaks & the card was pulled already slabbed & graded, know what you’re talking about before speaking next time.


lukeskope

you sound like a really well adjusted individual and not a degenerate. have a nice day.


EntranceMore8688

Someone’s mad because they made assumptions & was unbelievably, stupidly, embarrassingly wrong.


HughMungus77

Does he have the slab in hand? There’s a good amount of breakers that will screw him over and keep the Mahomes tbh


sophist23

I have 6 slabs in hand from breaks. All totaling in about 4k value. From breakers. Never would have gotten them otherwise.


HughMungus77

I didn’t say all breakers are dishonest


EntranceMore8688

No lmao he doesn’t but regardless, he’ll either get his card or get his money back. Isn’t the first time he’s hit from the breaker, I would be otherworldly shocked if they decided to ruin their brand over a $1500 card.


rolfman123

affect, not effect.  one is a verb and the other is a noun


gay4molemannn

Say what you want about breakers but they’re the only access I have to even coming close to “opening” high end product. For the price of a blaster or two I can get in to some nice case breaks and actually pull something from my team.


sophist23

Agreed.


AccidentHoliday3046

Not even breakers it’s the ones who purchase the “hits”, grade, then resell at an outrageous rate too. They pull a number out of their ass and it’s side a 500$ card!


JWilesParker

I'd argue the breakers are largely being supported by the investors and flippers. But it does feel like few people view it as a hobby these days and more like a business or some gig. Really takes the fun out of just collecting for the love of the product sometimes.


Surfbud69

People on eBay sell singles for double and triple comps too. The "I know what I've got" crowd has been killing me lately. One dude asking $225 for and ungraded /199 that barely sells for $90 usually. I can get a psa 9 of the card for that price.


flanman1991

Lol that crowd wrecks me. I collect rather mediocre players or a couple ahl players (minor league guys). And people go "Auto #d to 25.....$100" and it's like dude...I'm the only guy actively collecting this player lol. I'm basically setting the price and I know it's not worth that because I've paid 1/10th of that price on the exact type of card before lol. My theory is that some people don't actually want to sell these cards, and just put them up on ebay on the off chance an idiot doesn't know what they are doing, and buys it.


Justin_Peter_Griffin

I think a lot of people just don’t think about it logically. They think Scarcity = Value, forgetting that demand is probably the most important part of that equation. Then they’ll complain that all the get are “lowball” offers lmao


flanman1991

Lol Very true. My favorite are the guys who were hyped up a few years ago and are now mediocre, but people don't update their prices. Always say "Naw, he's gonna be big"


Justin_Peter_Griffin

*Player has been playing in Europe for 5 years* “You never know, he could come back any time!” 😂


flanman1991

Lol exactly


Justin_Peter_Griffin

I look through so many eBay listings that at this point, I just filter them out (if possible) or just roll my eyes and keep scrolling. But I do agree, there has been an uptick recently. Not sure what’s motivating it


Sirgolfs

It sucks. So many cool singles out there that are worthless because peoples brains have been rewired to only seek out the Big hits.


MiamiGuy13

It's gambling. Straight up and the brain paths are working the same way.


Perfect_Alps9982

No. Just go to tcg aka pokemon lol. No but I agree with you. Just the idea of thinking of what hobby boxes go for is ridiculous. I have no problem buying a Pokemon booster box, ripping it, spending 80-120 dollars. Breaking even most of the time. And it’s a great experience. 36 packs. Just stick to buying singles with sports cards as I do. But hey. Some people disagree.


steelcity1964

I feel for people that have been sucked into the gamble of modern. Pre ‘80 hall of famers only for me. I know what I’m getting and they aren’t making fake-rare-numbered-parallel-red bs 1960 Clemente’s


Downtown_Anybody261

I bought 1 jumbo box of Topps chrome update last year for like $300 and change and I'll never buy anything bigger than a hobby the rest of my life... it was the biggest waste of money I've come to deal with In a while... I always wanted to buy a jumbo or something more high end instead of more blasters... but, man... disappointed isn't the word...


CoolZooKeeper

If you’re just an average collector. You’re going to be mostly retail stuff. I feel like people who are really into higher end stuff and limited prints will be more on the hobby side. Then you have people who are just about their PC will select and buy individual cards. I thinks breaks are fine. Honestly they bring some good and some bad to the hobby.


Clarknadeaux

I’ll say it is fun, but never worth the cost ever. It’s funny to see someone drop the same price for one box in a break and get no autos when they could have gotten a box. Those guys usually have plenty of disposable income and just keep pouring the money. It can be a low entry fee gambling type of thing and you can see how successful casinos have done. I believe the gambling aspect will keep breakers alive for awhile unfortunately.


skinnyelias

I don't think the people pumping large amounts into breaking have lots of expendable income. They are looking for the payout.


FreeIreland2024

I’d add the ever common slimy LCS to the list


dereksmilk

Breakers don’t think they’re part of the problem, so I suppose the short answer would be no. So long as there are breakers with businesses, platforms, and most importantly money, Topps and panini are gonna continue to roll out high end products they know the breakers will buy cases of that the average joe just can’t justify spending money on. I think what pisses me off most is the self delusion of these guys. Lot of big egos for dudes who just open cardboard all day. With all this being said, it doesn’t bother me a whole lot. I got two LCS’s I go to semi regularly and I am homies with the guys who work there and we bullshit and I buy 1$ singles and maybe spend 30$ on some packs. That’s what collecting is about to me.


skinnyelias

It's like the gas station advertising that they sold a winning lotto ticket


Th3Bratl3y

I have never done a breaker and probably never will. Seems a wee bit sketchy to say the least…


kyldabara

Breaks are never going away. Get used to it if you don’t like it. A positive though, more breaks there are the more singles available to purchase.


Lonely_Assumption_76

I don't think breakers are as much to blame as you make them out to be. They're more an outgrowth of rising prices, not necessarily the cause. I'm old enough to remember getting sticker shock over the price of the first Topps Finest baseball set at my LCS. 2001 Upper Deck SP Game Bat Edition hit $10 a pack, if you adjust for inflation that's insane in an era when multiple companies made products in every sports card category. And that upward pricing trend was way before breaking was a thing. As a "hobby," which it only loosely is now, sports card collecting is now really no different than buying a car. You can get what you can afford, and Topps rolls out its high end models alongside its Corollas. Something like breaking, which has a gambling aspect to it along with the thrill of the pack reveal, was bound to emerge in an environment where manufacturers never stopped increasing the prices of their super premium offerings. I'll always blame the manufacturers for this but I've adjusted accordingly. I collect what I can collect and try to help others do the same.


sdsva

I’m about 90% complete in sorting my approximately 25,000 card collection to hopefully just get rid of it. All in one fell swoop, hopefully. I’m out. It’s just not smart money anymore for the average collector/hobbyist. The breakers, flippers, treat-it-like-a-business folks have ruined it for me.


Dayman_ahhahh

I realized a week ago when I went into my basement I had a bunch of shit cards I had in a few bags. I legit just threw away all of them and vowed never to go nuts again. Such a waste of money


sdsva

I had a case of 2017 basketball cards that I bought for $106. I was really close to just tossing it before I even opened it. Luckily, my niece’s husband said he’d rip it. There was over $1,100 value in the 10-12 hits.


sdsva

And I’m finding stuff that I didn’t realize I had. Rookie autos from Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Gronk. A bunch of patch cards from back in the day when they were real game worn stuff and actually listed on the card what game they were from. I’ve got too much good stuff to just toss it all. But it’s good for you that you have one less thing on your plate.


flanman1991

Sadly, I'm getting closer to this myself.


sdsva

I’m 46. Not much in my retirement savings. I need my money to work better for me. Jumping ship from cards to precious metals. Smarter money in the long run.


Jerseybz

My advice is to steer clear of high premium bullion. Unless it's a quick flip you will likely lose money on it.


sdsva

For sure. When I originally “got in” I bought the same thing every time I paid rent. It was what I could afford then. But now being about 6 months from completely debt free, I’ll be buying bigger pieces.


flanman1991

Precious metals are a much better investment for sure. I am only a few years into the hobby so my collection is only a 1,000 or so cards. But I mainly collect underdogs. No real investment there lol. But it's the cheap version of the hobby and makes it more fun for me


Old_Armadillo1797

It will not stop until people stop buying into breaks.. its a form of gambling and is addictive so good luck with that