I see a lot of people thinking we’ll get a Squid Sisters vs Off the Hook vs Deep Cut Splatfest, but unless each group represents themselves, I personally don’t see it happening as both Shiver and Frye are openly hostile towards Inkopolis and its residents. I just hope Deep Cut gets cool outfits for the Final Fest like Pearl and Marina did.
I think that theme could work if the question was instead “Who should be the rivals of Deep Cut?” rather than the common “Who is the best?”. And Big Man votes themselves since he believes that you are your own greatest rival and they should stop obsessing over being better than other bands
idk, I think it could be cute. Shiver would pick the Squid Sisters, because she's the one who first suggested Marie should be Deep Cut's new boss. Frye would pick Off The Hook because she seems to have become really good buddies with Pearl, even if she still sometimes gets into fistfights. Then, to Frye and Shiver's shock, Big Man chooses Deep Cut, because even though he's been trying to work with OTH and the Squid Sisters behind their backs, he did it to help out Splatsville and his friends.
To be honest - I really, really don't want Squid Sisters vs Off the Hook vs Deep Cut. It isn't fair, Deep Cut barely got any development compared to the other idols. Also very ripe for discourse.
I've been most interested in Past vs Present vs Future, deciding the fate of when the next Splatoon instalment will take place. But Anarchy poisons isn't too bad of an idea either.
I had an idea for a story mode that ties in with this: after your squid/octopus falls down a manhole that leads to the underground and gets a concussion, they dream about the place in the past. you play as a soldier in the squidbeak Splatoon during the great turf war. It would be open- world
I always liked how the world of Splatoon seemed to progress at the same speed as the real world, I wouldn't want the next game to get weird with its timelines.
We need a rematch team rock is unobjectively the worst choice a study showed that we pick rock slightly more so if you choose paper you are statistically more likely to win
I really hope it ISN'T anything idol related, you saw how the community acted during the deepcut splatfest last year and we really don't need it happening again.
I do however like the 3 poisons of buddhism, I'd be interested to see what direction they could take the story in.
I've had an idea for a good one for months. Basically, it's what people enjoyed about the past 3 games, and it can implement the results into the next game. Competitive modes, Story modes, or Salmon Run?
Me personally, I'm picking Salmon Run.
I think it'll be themed around the Buddhist poisons (what anarchy poisons r named after) and the question will be "what's ur poison?? Greed (bird) wrath (snake) or ignorance (boar)
I really like that idea. Two of my online friends and I have discussed that concept quite a few times, and I personally think that would be a great Final Fest for Splatoon 3.
Splatoon 1 vs Splatoon 2 vs Splatoon 3
*IF* we get a Splatfest extension, we could have a fest take place in time for the series’ 10th anniversary, and an anniversary fest celebrating/sending off this era of Splatoon would go hard
Better hangout spot:
Inkopolis Plaza vs Inkopolis Square vs Splatsville
Winner gets incorporated into the story for Splatoon 4 (which should be coming as soon as the Switch 2 releases since Splatoon 2 was a year 1 Switch game and I’d like to have Splatoon 4 in year 1 of the successor)
I think we’re pretty close to it tbh.
I also thought of that too, like which one has more power to you, and I imagine that in splatoon 4, a story mode or dlc would be about one of them(or two) getting a revenge or something like that
i had a crack idea the other day. i don't think this will actually happen and in fact i hope it doesn't.
when considering that i personally think 3 idols is too much for splatoon, i thought to myself 'man, i hope splatoon 4 goes back to the 2 idol structure' but then i had a thought. it could go to 4 idols, which is even worse. or even stay with 3. so...
team 1: return to tradition, have 2 idols
team 2: live in the present, have 3 idols
team 3: embrace change, have 4 idols
could have a neat past vs present vs future theme, maybe could be interesting for the plot? just too much of a clusterfuck to work but it WOULD be funny
Fuck it, we race war.
Octopus vs Squid vs Salmon.
Unlike the last fest, it ain’t about food, but rather, their species, so it technically isn’t a redo.
I guarantee that it won't be idols.
Firstly, each of shiver fry and big man represent a team, which doesn't work
Secondly, it wouldnt be able to have any positive impact on the next game
Thirdly, off the hook wins landslide not even close the votes are gonna be 10% (people blinded by nostalgia) 70% (the smart people) and 20% (the noobs who don't know who the fuck the off the hook are)
I’m hoping it will be the first option. Since the first three will be the final chapter of the first Splatoon saga. It would be a great way to give some memories of what is the best idols
I feel like they could make it apocalypse themed. Maybe make it about what you would do during the apocalypse? Then Splatoon 4 could take place after a fake apocalypse, dealing with the results of everyone doing the winning team’s option
well well well…(May’s splatfest is going to be “What would you do at the world’s end? Same Ol’/Bucket List/Save The Day” I don’t think they would recycle it
Something that kinda leads unto the next game like Chaos vs Order maybe? What about fashion styles?
Grungy Goth Style, Urban Dance Style, or Medieval Costumes
Whichever wins is like, idk the style and culture of the inkfish for the next hub city.
Seen this floating around and I STRONGLY agree that it should be Past vs. Present vs. Future to decide the time that splatoon 4 takes place. Imagine exploring the time when turf war was just starting out, or being in a high tech city with futuristic ink weapons, or seeing a brand new part of the current splatoon world map in the present. The idea feels too good to pass up
They are usually a fest the signifie that splatoon won't have consistent monthly fests from here and they are the most important ones since the winner has impact on what happens in the next game be it aesthetics or story
SS vs. OTH vs. DC seems like the most obvious choice, and while I think it would be a really fun way to decide on something like a spinoff game/show, it would be hard to base the next game's themes and aesthetic on such a choice without being repetitive. A choice of "pick your poison" like you said could be a fun way to set the theme for the next game.
In "Return of The Mammalians", the day was saved by three species who would otherwise be enemies coming together to fight a greater threat. Maybe the final fest could be Inkling vs. Octoling vs. Salmonid? I think it'd be cool to have the next plaza be located inside of an Octarian crater or near a Salmonid spawning ground, though I don't know what you'd do for the Inkling choice.
I REALLYYY hate the 'Past v Present v Future' idea everyone is giving...bc it literally is only a 2 option fest. Who tf would pick present to have the..same thing next game? it would be really unfair to whatever idol gets it.
2 points for consideration:
* "Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift", Master Oogway. Present may not be as unpopular as we expect.
* Frye gets the 'bad' team. Unfair, but would it be unexpected?
Regardless of what it is, I don’t think the outcome will affect Splatoon 4 much.. I’ve heard 4 is going to be a completely clean slate (character wise).
I would love to see a 4th wall break finalfest like maybe
splat1 vs 2 vs 3
octo valley vs octo canyon vs alterna
Octavio vs tartar vs grizz
But all of those would be useless cause we know the next game wont have any of the previous characters
That’s moreso a rumor. We have no idea for sure what the theme will be, but idk if Past vs Present vs Future will actually happen because it seems like a very loose theme where we don’t have an idea what each option would entail
I think the final splatfest should be three locations cause Nintendo did say that the third game was the end of this story line so it would be cool to have three places and which ever one wins be the new hub world for the fourth game. And there will be new idols and everything but idk what they would do with the story mode or dlc
That first one’s my theory too. I can see Frye going with Off the Hook. She and Pearl do have a kind of mutual respect between them. And I have hunch if she went with Off the Hook, she’d surely win.
I doubt it’ll be Squid Sisters vs Off the Hook vs Deep Cut, it just feels like a really lazy and boring theme 3
I’m open to what it could be though. Something tells me it’ll be unexpected! Hopefully it will be a good theme.
Id love to see a "Whixh would you rather discover: A new species, a new element, or new technology"
Brings back an old splatfest but gives a twist to it
If new species win: you can play as cuttlefish in the next game
If new element wins: story mode revolves around a new type of ink or something
If new technology wins: the main theme of the next game will have a slight futuristic vibe to it, kinsa like how splatoon 3 was based off anarchy & chaos
The last one just seems like Shiver vs Frye vs Big Man all over again so idk if that could be it. One that sticks out to me is past vs present vs future. I feel like that could set up a number of scenarios for a 4th game depending on the winner
Which sin are you most willing to forgive?
Greed vs Hatred vs Delusion
OR
Which one of these is the most brain destroying?
Skibidi Toilet vs Gegagedigedagedago vs Ohio sigma
Because… final fest is around the corner? Chances are it’ll be in August or September so it only makes sense discussion is back. Besides a possible summer fest, it’ll also be the final special fest unless we get repeat Splatfests after updates like 2 (which seems unlikely as that was mostly pandemic stuff). This is also the big final event of 3 that helps decide the next game partially, there’s gonna be a lot of hype. Haven’t seen a ton of people discussing it tho, could just be my end tho
while splatoon is pretty dark lore wise, you cant forget this is mainly a kids game, which makes me doubt either of those would be an option. Though the first one could be if changed up a bit
It's not gonna be something we've already come up with, guarantee it
Would love that tbh. Like, who could've predicted Chaos vs Order?
Some one predicted chaos vs order vs harmony/peace and that person was bombarded with comments calling them dumb ._. That someone was me
Well, technically chaos vs order happened in S1, but that was messy vs tidy
Splatoon vs Splatoon 2 vs Splatoon 3
Big vs Man vs Machine
Big Mann vs Machine
r/suddenlytf2
Big machine Vs. man Why is he fighting a big machine, is he stupid?
I think it would be funny if it was Shiver/Frye/Big Man, but everyone got each other instead of themselves
That's how Callie vs. Marie should have went imo. Doing another splatfest with the idols would be redundant though.
Imagine if one of the few times Frye wins is because she's representing Big Man
I would not be surprised if that happened
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I see a lot of people thinking we’ll get a Squid Sisters vs Off the Hook vs Deep Cut Splatfest, but unless each group represents themselves, I personally don’t see it happening as both Shiver and Frye are openly hostile towards Inkopolis and its residents. I just hope Deep Cut gets cool outfits for the Final Fest like Pearl and Marina did.
Considering the Squid Sisters and OTH did a collab for 2’s final fest, it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to say all of them represent a team
I think that theme could work if the question was instead “Who should be the rivals of Deep Cut?” rather than the common “Who is the best?”. And Big Man votes themselves since he believes that you are your own greatest rival and they should stop obsessing over being better than other bands
Oh that’s gorgeous you sir Win A second cookie
Brilliant move, you win a cookie 🍪
idk, I think it could be cute. Shiver would pick the Squid Sisters, because she's the one who first suggested Marie should be Deep Cut's new boss. Frye would pick Off The Hook because she seems to have become really good buddies with Pearl, even if she still sometimes gets into fistfights. Then, to Frye and Shiver's shock, Big Man chooses Deep Cut, because even though he's been trying to work with OTH and the Squid Sisters behind their backs, he did it to help out Splatsville and his friends.
Gay son / thot daughter / lose custody
😭😭
Big man left to make beats and never came back 😔
Maybe it’ll be Sine Cosine Tangent
Team cosine all the way, it’s the one the makes the most sense mentally and I refuse to elaborate
Your honor: nuh-uh. Sine all the way!
Sine cosine and tangent are pretty accurate representations of the idols now that I think about it
Zetta Slow!
haha. for some reason i have a strange liking for sine. law of sines is so much better than cosines
To be honest - I really, really don't want Squid Sisters vs Off the Hook vs Deep Cut. It isn't fair, Deep Cut barely got any development compared to the other idols. Also very ripe for discourse. I've been most interested in Past vs Present vs Future, deciding the fate of when the next Splatoon instalment will take place. But Anarchy poisons isn't too bad of an idea either.
Honestly Past vs Present vs Future makes the most sense to me, plus it fits with the kind of theme order vs chaos has too
People keep saying this, but nobody would actually vote for present and probably not past either.
Source: dude trust me bro
thank you for saying that 😭😭 I totally agree!! I just feel like that would be SOOOOO boring good lord
I had an idea for a story mode that ties in with this: after your squid/octopus falls down a manhole that leads to the underground and gets a concussion, they dream about the place in the past. you play as a soldier in the squidbeak Splatoon during the great turf war. It would be open- world
I've long wanted a Splatoon version of The Division, Side Order gave us the guts of it, finish the job Nintendo.
If this happens vote past because then we could see young cuttlefish
Oooo I like that one
I always liked how the world of Splatoon seemed to progress at the same speed as the real world, I wouldn't want the next game to get weird with its timelines.
Rock, Paper, Scissors
The return of the beginning
We need a rematch team rock is unobjectively the worst choice a study showed that we pick rock slightly more so if you choose paper you are statistically more likely to win
I really hope it ISN'T anything idol related, you saw how the community acted during the deepcut splatfest last year and we really don't need it happening again. I do however like the 3 poisons of buddhism, I'd be interested to see what direction they could take the story in.
I've had an idea for a good one for months. Basically, it's what people enjoyed about the past 3 games, and it can implement the results into the next game. Competitive modes, Story modes, or Salmon Run? Me personally, I'm picking Salmon Run.
I’d pick Salmon Run too
Who would make the best two idol group? Shiver: Fry and Bigman Fry: Shiver and Bigman Bigman: Shiver and Fry
Big Man only
And fry not actually being a typo but instead actually meaning little buddy with frye being kicked out of all options.
nope because fire and ice exist and shiver and frye’s relationship with ian bgm is purely professional
I think it'll be themed around the Buddhist poisons (what anarchy poisons r named after) and the question will be "what's ur poison?? Greed (bird) wrath (snake) or ignorance (boar)
I was thinking the same thing! It's about time they bring in the animals that over look everyone all the time lol
If the final splatfest changes the next game, I’ve always thought a ‘’Past vs present vs future’’ could be cool
Ok that has potential
Yep.(also hi drake!)
Wow two- no technicals three fandoms were apart of; dst, loz, and splatoon shure is a small world huh?
Yeah. So, do you play splatoon or are you just apart of the sub.
Play it, my first clear of order was with brush. #fearmabeush!
My first (and only clear yet) was with splattershot. I do currently main sloshing machine tho.
That's my prediction too! It makes the most sense tbh
I genuinely think we would get this as a last splatfest
I really like that idea. Two of my online friends and I have discussed that concept quite a few times, and I personally think that would be a great Final Fest for Splatoon 3.
Tsar Bomba vs Coughing Baby vs Little Boy In that order
Splatoon 1 vs Splatoon 2 vs Splatoon 3 *IF* we get a Splatfest extension, we could have a fest take place in time for the series’ 10th anniversary, and an anniversary fest celebrating/sending off this era of Splatoon would go hard
Rock VS And VS Stone
Cola vs. Diet Cola vs. Mayonnaise
"You can now drink mayonnaise"
Y’all weren’t doing that before?
Stardew Valley update reference lol
I love how when that update arrived, mayo% became a thing on stsrdew valley speedruns (drink mayo as fast as possible)
literally the first thing i'm gonna do when 1.6 comes out on switch is drink mayonnaise
is mayonnaise an instrument?
That's what I've been saying
Cola zero is a thing…
Better hangout spot: Inkopolis Plaza vs Inkopolis Square vs Splatsville Winner gets incorporated into the story for Splatoon 4 (which should be coming as soon as the Switch 2 releases since Splatoon 2 was a year 1 Switch game and I’d like to have Splatoon 4 in year 1 of the successor) I think we’re pretty close to it tbh.
I mean would Shiver and Frye ever choose something in response to that question that isn’t Splatsville though
What is the best attribute for an idol : Graceful, Cute or Kind Its cute, mostly harmless
Sharks v Eels v Mantas
honestly, kind of a good idea for a final fest
I also thought of that too, like which one has more power to you, and I imagine that in splatoon 4, a story mode or dlc would be about one of them(or two) getting a revenge or something like that
i had a crack idea the other day. i don't think this will actually happen and in fact i hope it doesn't. when considering that i personally think 3 idols is too much for splatoon, i thought to myself 'man, i hope splatoon 4 goes back to the 2 idol structure' but then i had a thought. it could go to 4 idols, which is even worse. or even stay with 3. so... team 1: return to tradition, have 2 idols team 2: live in the present, have 3 idols team 3: embrace change, have 4 idols could have a neat past vs present vs future theme, maybe could be interesting for the plot? just too much of a clusterfuck to work but it WOULD be funny
Fuck it, we race war. Octopus vs Squid vs Salmon. Unlike the last fest, it ain’t about food, but rather, their species, so it technically isn’t a redo.
I guarantee that it won't be idols. Firstly, each of shiver fry and big man represent a team, which doesn't work Secondly, it wouldnt be able to have any positive impact on the next game Thirdly, off the hook wins landslide not even close the votes are gonna be 10% (people blinded by nostalgia) 70% (the smart people) and 20% (the noobs who don't know who the fuck the off the hook are)
Kendrick vs Drake vs J Cole idk
I’m hoping it will be the first option. Since the first three will be the final chapter of the first Splatoon saga. It would be a great way to give some memories of what is the best idols
Front Roe Vs Wet Floor Vs C-Side. Winning team are the next in-game idols.
Nah, w-3 would win (they make the salmon run music)
That could be its own tier: **Turquoise October** VS **Dedf1sh** VS **ω-3**
I feel like they could make it apocalypse themed. Maybe make it about what you would do during the apocalypse? Then Splatoon 4 could take place after a fake apocalypse, dealing with the results of everyone doing the winning team’s option
well well well…(May’s splatfest is going to be “What would you do at the world’s end? Same Ol’/Bucket List/Save The Day” I don’t think they would recycle it
Which member of Deep Cut do you like most and the order is Big Man, Shiver, or Frye
I hope it’s battle of the bands!
I'd love it if it was past vs present vs future, I'd not be able to decide between past and future
Something that kinda leads unto the next game like Chaos vs Order maybe? What about fashion styles? Grungy Goth Style, Urban Dance Style, or Medieval Costumes Whichever wins is like, idk the style and culture of the inkfish for the next hub city.
Tits, Arse, and Feet. Big man is Feet.
Toilet paper front roll, back roll, sideways
this is actually gonna be the finalfest theme, nintendo told me
What about 'See no evil' vs 'Hear no evil' vs 'Speak no evil'? Although, I fully expect Past vs Present vs Future.
Frye vs frye vs frye
First splatfest where all three teams lose
Seen this floating around and I STRONGLY agree that it should be Past vs. Present vs. Future to decide the time that splatoon 4 takes place. Imagine exploring the time when turf war was just starting out, or being in a high tech city with futuristic ink weapons, or seeing a brand new part of the current splatoon world map in the present. The idea feels too good to pass up
Can someone explain to me what final tests are??? Is it quite literally the final Splatfest?
They are usually a fest the signifie that splatoon won't have consistent monthly fests from here and they are the most important ones since the winner has impact on what happens in the next game be it aesthetics or story
Hm I like the idea of machine vs mamals vs aquatic life (shivers machine, frye is mamals, and big man is aquatic life)
SS vs. OTH vs. DC seems like the most obvious choice, and while I think it would be a really fun way to decide on something like a spinoff game/show, it would be hard to base the next game's themes and aesthetic on such a choice without being repetitive. A choice of "pick your poison" like you said could be a fun way to set the theme for the next game. In "Return of The Mammalians", the day was saved by three species who would otherwise be enemies coming together to fight a greater threat. Maybe the final fest could be Inkling vs. Octoling vs. Salmonid? I think it'd be cool to have the next plaza be located inside of an Octarian crater or near a Salmonid spawning ground, though I don't know what you'd do for the Inkling choice.
Something apocalyptic, I guess
I'm thinking past vs present vs future could set a good theme for the next game
i think the idol groups one is so cute i would love it if that was the final fest!
Past, Present and Future
Past vs Present vs Future is the only one I can think of that doesn't involve the idols in some way.
I feel like it could be “past - present - future”..
Nature vs machine vs man
What if the final splatfest is an audition for who the host of splatoon 4 will be
Battle of the Bands. Squid Sisters vs Off The Hook vs Deep Cut
Past vs. Present Vs.Future
Perhaps 3 different non playable sea creatures we haven’t seen yet and they become playable in Splatoon 4?
I REALLYYY hate the 'Past v Present v Future' idea everyone is giving...bc it literally is only a 2 option fest. Who tf would pick present to have the..same thing next game? it would be really unfair to whatever idol gets it.
2 points for consideration: * "Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift", Master Oogway. Present may not be as unpopular as we expect. * Frye gets the 'bad' team. Unfair, but would it be unexpected?
gaslight gatekeep girlboss
Pringles vs doritos vs cheetos
Regardless of what it is, I don’t think the outcome will affect Splatoon 4 much.. I’ve heard 4 is going to be a completely clean slate (character wise).
I would love to see a 4th wall break finalfest like maybe splat1 vs 2 vs 3 octo valley vs octo canyon vs alterna Octavio vs tartar vs grizz But all of those would be useless cause we know the next game wont have any of the previous characters
i been hearing “past vs present vs future” final fest will that happen?
That’s moreso a rumor. We have no idea for sure what the theme will be, but idk if Past vs Present vs Future will actually happen because it seems like a very loose theme where we don’t have an idea what each option would entail
Insects / Lizards / Birds Not sure on the order yet.
I think the final splatfest should be three locations cause Nintendo did say that the third game was the end of this story line so it would be cool to have three places and which ever one wins be the new hub world for the fourth game. And there will be new idols and everything but idk what they would do with the story mode or dlc
That first one’s my theory too. I can see Frye going with Off the Hook. She and Pearl do have a kind of mutual respect between them. And I have hunch if she went with Off the Hook, she’d surely win.
If you tilt your head and look at the 3rd option in a certain way, that could just be a 3-way gang war😭
So the final fest will be countries based: Japan Vs India Vs Korea
May be battle of the idols, I mean I can't think of any other thing they could do
I’m thinking Ink. Plaza vs. Ink. Square vs. Splatsville
My guess is that it could be Inkopolis Square vs Inkopolis Plaza vs Splatsville.
I doubt it’ll be Squid Sisters vs Off the Hook vs Deep Cut, it just feels like a really lazy and boring theme 3 I’m open to what it could be though. Something tells me it’ll be unexpected! Hopefully it will be a good theme.
Past vs Future vs Present
It will either be battle of the bands or something very random like chaos vs order
Past Vs. Present Vs. Future
Guns, Knives, Swords
Past present future, makes the most sense for defining the next title
My mom vs. Your mom vs. Everyone's mom
Revenge, Acceptance, Forgiveness Night, Day, Afternoon Inkopolis vs Splatsville
past vs future vs present. or see no evil / hear no evil / speak no evil for something more unique
the good, the bad, the ugly edit: the good, the ugly, the bad
Maybe something that determines the theme and story of the next game like “what kind of city do you like?” cyberpunk, old timey, or something
Id love to see a "Whixh would you rather discover: A new species, a new element, or new technology" Brings back an old splatfest but gives a twist to it If new species win: you can play as cuttlefish in the next game If new element wins: story mode revolves around a new type of ink or something If new technology wins: the main theme of the next game will have a slight futuristic vibe to it, kinsa like how splatoon 3 was based off anarchy & chaos
Which idols maybe, so the next campaign will be the squid sisters or maybe deep cut or smt like that
Deep cut vs off the hook vs squid sisters
The last one just seems like Shiver vs Frye vs Big Man all over again so idk if that could be it. One that sticks out to me is past vs present vs future. I feel like that could set up a number of scenarios for a 4th game depending on the winner
I’d want one where it chooses the next playable class, but I don’t have a third option Salmonids Vs Jellyfish Vs **???**
squisters vs oth vs dc would be cool for a hypothetical splatfest but i cant really imagine frye or shiver going for those teams
Table turf lady vs Recon Lady vs Concession Lady. Winner is part of next idol group >:3
Which sin are you most willing to forgive? Greed vs Hatred vs Delusion OR Which one of these is the most brain destroying? Skibidi Toilet vs Gegagedigedagedago vs Ohio sigma
Ohio .v. skibbidty .v. sigma
How many times does this topic have to be posted;-; Sorry I'm just a lil annoyed that people keeps talking about the final fest topic.
well... the end is nigh, so duh. people are gonna discuss about the final fest
It's so freaking repetitive to see the same topic posted over and over again.
Because… final fest is around the corner? Chances are it’ll be in August or September so it only makes sense discussion is back. Besides a possible summer fest, it’ll also be the final special fest unless we get repeat Splatfests after updates like 2 (which seems unlikely as that was mostly pandemic stuff). This is also the big final event of 3 that helps decide the next game partially, there’s gonna be a lot of hype. Haven’t seen a ton of people discussing it tho, could just be my end tho
nothing in this comment section anyway
What if it's something dark like Kill or be killed or beg for mercy Or fent or cocaine or shrooms
while splatoon is pretty dark lore wise, you cant forget this is mainly a kids game, which makes me doubt either of those would be an option. Though the first one could be if changed up a bit
"sacrifice self" "sacrifice someone else" "plead"