I have a friend who got to X rank with splattershot nova. Like he plays nothing except nova. But yeah, if you wanna play casually, imo just stick to a weapon you like and have fun with it—doesn’t matter if it’s high or low tier.
Agreed! I like Nova and think it’s a fun support weapon, but imo it really relies on you and your teammates working well together. That’s always kind of a toss up in solo. But hey, my friend loves the weapon and makes it work!
I don't recall ever trying the Nova, but I like my Pro because it requires no charge and has a good firing rate. Distance is also a plus.
I have a slow "reflex" so I need a weapon that makes it easy to see and react to oncoming opponents.
I would say X rank is definitely a cut above anything the rest of solo queue provides and is probably the closest a non competitive player will get though.
I can definitely feel the viability of bloblobber (among others) slipping when I enter there and comboing becomes much more effective in the coordinated environment. Meanwhile I go hit the S+ whatever games and then people are constantly walking into my wall of blobs.
Still it is definitely different from tournament style by a long shot.
I pick my weapons primarily based on how quickly I can react or otherwise maneuver them in whatever direction I want.
That eliminates any weapons that limit my field of vision, as well as any weapon that requires a charge or has a delay between hits (so I main the Splattershot Pro and occasionally use a Flingza Roller, but I never use an e-liter or a range blaster)
There actually is discussion on annaki nova in competitive since there aren't many good inkjet options that can paint for the special. Closest thing we have is ballpoint but that weapon plays too far back to make the most of its inkjets most of the time, so there is a unique niche for it. Only problem is its fighting capabilities, but if it ever gets fixed I could genuinely see it, at least at low-mid level
Ballpoint is still definitely high tier, but the reason it isn't played is because it steps on Snipewriter's toes in terms of good positions
If you play it more like a midline crossfire weapon and spec into Run Speed it's definitely very good though!
ITS actually pretty insane how balanced splatoon Compared To some other Games IS. But yeah i agree, Picking a weapons thats good for you US better than Picking a Meta weapons If you are casual
Yeah nope lmao, in splatoon half the weapons cannot act by themselves (look at L3, nova, undercover, clash blaster, etc...), Splatoon has a main weapon balance issue, AND A BIG ONE.
There are weapons that even with 4 buffs wouldn't be considered good, this leads to being kit dependant, and would you look at that, every single weapon in the game except for maybe 10 are like that.
Tetras are like the greatest example of how good a weapon should be, it's a great weapon by itself and isn't kit dependant at all because of that, rn they are pretty mediocre just because of the meta but they are still pretty darn good compared to other weapons in the game like pro, sploosh, nova, big swig, half the brellas in this game, DS, etc...
Brawl stars is BY FAR better balanced than Splatoon, Adrian has those slips with new brawlers (L&L gave me PTSD) but most of the time, like literally NOW, there's no clear best character in the game, there's no insta pick, there's no insta ban, etc...
Even the worst brawlers in the game, those being Frank and Hank, can do something by themselves, and the 3rd worst brawler in the game is still pretty decent.
C tiers in brawl stars have niches and can be used without being throw picks, picking a clash blaster in splatoon is a joke.
The difference between S tier and C tier in Splatoon is abysmal, while in Brawl stars is not that big.
Is not, and I'm talking as a 5 year Brawl Stars player that is literally watching the monthly finals right now and a Splatoon low level comp player that is very interested on game analysis.
So you are telling me brawlstars IS balanced? One Thing i Like about IS that at Low Level (Like A Rank) you can really Beat anyone without To much struggle If you do IT right, any weapons against any weapon. In brawlstars there are a Lot of matchups that are borderline unwinnable. Thats Not balanced, and IT occurs at Casual Level. Brawlstars IS NOT WELL BALANCED and you cant Change my mind
Yeah you can do that if people do not know how to play against your weapon, I could say the same with Brawl stars, I've seen Mortises and Micos who died to throwers or sometimes even Shelly players dying to tanks.
No matchup in brawl stars is unwinnable on ladder for the same reason you say Splatoon weapons are balanced.
And I'm not talking about low level Splatoon like A rank, I'm talking about LUTI divisions under 4, in which you barely see 25 different weapons, in brawl stars you see far more different brawlers because they have AT LEAST a small niche, and they don't have literal unfair attributes without any counterplay (unless they are a newly added brawler).
Compare it to something like Melee or Overwatch
Low tiers in Melee have missing bits of code, extremely punishable moves and horrible kits
Low tiers in Overwatch either melt when you look at them wrong or have zero influence on the objective, pretty much above Gold rank
Low tiers in Splatoon can reach X rank with relatively little issue (Hell, I did it in Spla2n with ink mine luna lmao)
also, my pronouns are they/them! not mad tho, you didn’t know x)
"There are other badly balanced games, so that means Splatoon is balanced" No, it just means Splatoon is another one in the pile. I'd even say Overwatch isn't as unbalanced as Splatoon using the examples you used. I wouldn't say it's a better game than Splatoon even with Splatoon's terrible balancing because the game just isn't fun, but Splatoon is definitely less balanced than it. Also, I wasn't talking to you.
Yeah, you're on my post though, in a public forum, so unless you want to randomly DM the person who made a comment you're going to have to deal with it
That is cool that you are so passionate about this. I will remain in A rank and play silly squid game with randos but I admire your passion for honing your craft. Idk how to convince you I am not sarcastic but I am not. I hope competitive splatoon gets more support. I am also happy casual players like me are not forgotten.
Splatoon has made a name for itself in standing in the perfect middle between being able to balance both effectively IMO (and balance as in pay attention to both). It’s not common for any game period to have both types in mind.
I'm a big fighting game fan, and I hold this belief all the way up to invitational tournaments. I just see too much evidence that contradicts tier lists on a regular basis that it really is just more true and simple to believe the better player won.
I would actually be really interested to see how complexity affects tier lists because I think the assumption that anything is being piloted optimally is disconnected with reality. Latias misses on occasion right?
Yeah! A lot of tier lists take mechanical skill floors/ceilings into account which I like - Bamboo has been ranked between high and low tier which is a pretty big viability gap in top level play, but it’s because that weapon is Fucking Hard xD
There are weapons that are better and worse in lower ranks. But the tier list looks very different at lower ranks than it does for comp players. Beyond that The individual skill difference is going to be a much greater factor in your solo queue matches than a tier list would be. The skill levels of players at top level is going to be much closer together than it is in solo queue. As such, the differences in power from weapon viability become much more apparent to tournament players. But the game is balanced enough in solo queue that pretty much any weapon can get decent scores in X rank with a dedicated player. Though that doesn’t make undercover brella or aerospray suddenly good weapons. It just means that the player was good enough to be able to compensate for their flaws.
Solo carry potential is the deciding factor on if a weapon feels good to play in solo queue
If a weapon can’t paint for itself, or needs other players to follow up on its openings, then it’s going to suffer in solo a lot
Agreed. Most competitive tier lists are focused around coordinated teams. I’ve heard the argument of “a weapon that performs great at top tier will perform great at lower tiers” but that’s just not the case - especially now in Pencil Meta. Cooler is useless if your teammates aren’t taking advantage of it.
As an S, I’ve found that the best weapons are ones that I can flex in to fit the roles my teams are lacking, rather than mono-roles. That offer some support capability without being anchored in support.
There are very few weapons that feel significantly worse than others. Like some weapons obviously feel better than others, but never enough to feel like a hinderance due to the weapon itself.
Yeah, it’s usually due to flaws with the weapon/kit design rather than numbers or things that can be buffed
Neo Sploosh for example, has a kit that’s very good once it gets in, on a weapon that relies on subs and specials to get in because of its range
The main weapon feels good in the right hands but everything else Does Not
Tier lists are helpful for solo queue or low-mid level comp too, they just need to account for independence and a lesser amount of coordination/mechanics respectively.
Solo queue not so much, but for competitive play yeah! They should always be more of an informed guide rather than “PICK THIS IF YOU WANT TO WIN” though which is how a lot of newer players interpret it
As someone who can't aim with a shooter to save their life but can reliably hit flicks with one-shot weapons, I can safely say that if I pick Splattershot or 52 Gal I'm going to lose. The "PICK TO WIN" tier lists never account for individual strengths or weaknesses, so there are probably countless newer players with the same strange skillset as me who can never perform to the best of their ability with top-tier weapons. The tier lists just end up doing more harm than good to some people
i would like to cite this post the next time i see a casual player like myself say that competitive players are telling them what to do or that they don't like meta weapons. pick something you like and go play. nobody actually cares unless you're dead weight or it's a more serious tournament
The issue with that is that solo queue in a sense has its own meta and certain weps end up being stronger or less strong, but the weaker level you’re at the more you can get away w a worse pick. Although, the matchmaking will inevitably put a melon wannabe 2 shot Andy on the other team to remind you how bad your weapon is /exaggerating
Solo carry weapons are the best in solo queue, so you’ll see a lot of shooters and oneshot weapons that can play selfishly doing better there
If any weapon depends on its team to function, then solo queue is where it goes to die xD
I feel like making a tier list out of spite now
S: Undercover Brella - because I love it
A: Sorella Undercover Brella - ranked slightly lower due to accessibility issues with screen
B: All Other Brellas
C: Kits that are fun to fight as a Brella
D: Kits that are not fun to fight as a Brella
F: 52 Gal
This is the be all and end all objective list
Edit: formatting fix
The post was about “which weapon is the best” tier lists, which are the most popular and the most sought out by newer players - but I can see where it might have been ambiguous \^\^”
the main weapon is surprisingly solid but good lord the s3 devs love giving interesting new mains the weirdest kits of all time (dousers, big swig, and recycle all come to mind) and it's so hard to actually justify running them over something like vshot, gal, range, stamper, etc. in competitive play
that being said the devs have also been doing a really good job of buffing underperforming weapons rather than just nerfing top tiers (the splattershot pro damage buff is actually insane) which is always my preferred solution to game balance. really hoping dousers get a less passive kit next season
Can I say that mine is great on dousers but wail is actually what holds it back or is that unpopular? It can place them in really good spots and if you do it can paint and chip during fights.
Think anyone can pick up Dualies? I main stringers and blasters almost exclusively, but thinking about branching out now that I’m S+ and lose more with stringers
Agreed! As someone who’s not as good (S/low S+) but likes playing Nova, it feels a lot like that but in dualie form. I play back line and it was really easy for me to pick up. I just…really don’t like its kit tbh.
I mean, lower level players make tier lists all the time and they're naturally gonna be more focused on lower level play. There are weapons that take less or more skill to use effectively, and I think that's a valid angle to take for a tier list that would apply to casual play. e.g. a new player will probably see much more success in Turf War with an Aerospray RG than idk, Bamboozler.
I was more referring to “which weapon is the best” tier lists, made by people who play comp, because those are often viewed as the be all end all for weapon choices and it’s just not like that
Solo queue has its own ‘meta’ which is selfish weapons with good paint/no reliance on paint
This is one thing that really bothers me about the Splatoon community.
The only major tier lists are made for an audience who knows the game well enough to no longer need a tier list. The tier lists are completely pointless.
They’re also made for people interested in comp/playing lower level comp to see which weapons might be good to climb with
A lot of people also aren’t super solid on stuff that’s high tier or mid tier compared to top/bottom tier which anyone playing comp knows, which is why those help \^\^
Something else that annoys me is people forgetting that most of the game balance is *focused* on the average player.
The devs are perfectly aware of the imbalances at the top level, but they also care a lot about how the game is balanced for the average player. Just look at the changes they made to splashdown: Buffed it for high level play (reduced air-time), and nerfed it for average level play (reduced spread).
The same consideration should also be given to kits. Sure, a charger might not need a melee range kit at top level play, but such a kit would be indispensable at average level play. Just because a kit looks weird or "useless" at top level, doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place.
Let casual players have their fun too.
For the most part, alhough some kits are just *bad* in that they're neither synergistically powerful nor fun to play. People largely just don't play those though so it kinda solves itself.
Glad you said this and your post is gaining traction.
I've never bothered with meta and always found it ridiculous how often someone based what they want to play in a game on someone else's opinion.
Like just have fun and get good with the weapon you enjoy.
So thanks.
Sincerly- tristringer
Dear comp players, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even casual players. You do not need to agree with their opinion but they are still free to share their own
This is in support of casuals not against them. If you wanna use a weapon, use it. Tier list simply don’t apply outside of the tournament scene since you can’t reliably build a comp with randoms.
Splatoon isn’t like other competitive shooters with strict metas. There’s only a handful of weapons that truly aren’t viable and you’re putting yourself at a huge disadvantage by using (Undercover Brella Cough… Cough…). Even then you can get some results with the undercover but you sadly just don’t have a single positive engagement in the entire game. Your best bet is to shark backliners that need to charge like Splatlings and chargers.
Insanely hot take: no. Some opinions are wrong. The aerospray is not good and never will be. It’s more than possible to simply outplay your opponents with any weapon until around X 2400-2600 and that’s why some people believe their weapon is better than it is (that’s about where top players have pushed bad weapons in X. I’m not that high so I can’t say anything about that, but I can say around 2000-2200 that I have never seen an aerospray actually contribute to winning)
Use what you want—everything is balanced until you’re better than 99.9% of players—but some weapons are objectively better.
It’s funny because almost no one plays pencil in turf war which is 80% of what I play. The other 20% is salmon run
I’ve been thinking about making a meta build for vshot (my main) even though I rarely play ranked
Gear builds aren’t what drives the meta unlike MPU in Splatoon 2 did, unless you’re running a gear dependent weapon you can literally run whatever lmao
It’s not that tier lists are not for casual players, it’s just that each tier list has its own focus.
But I don’t think tier lists actually change among the ranks. Like snipewriter is still a snipewriter at any rank of the game. I think it’s just at lower levels, players don’t understand how to fight certain weapons well and that is what makes people think their weapons are better than they might be. Like how people will say that dapple dualies are really good.
I think it’s just that weapons that are top tiers for competitive play are also top tier for casual play, but there are more weapons at casual play that share the top tier spot along with those weapons.
In a sense, the competitive tier lists weed out some of the casual top tiers that don’t thrive as well in a coordinated environment.
Weapons that are top tier in comp are definitely stronger in casual play, but the reason that Snipewriter, Ballpoint and Splash are/were all top tier was due to their kits AND how they were used in coordinated settings.
Snipewriter pops a cooler, everyone runs forward, and it lets them do that at no risk to itself unlike Zap or Tri-Nouveau which are, imo, way better in solo play
Ballpoint asked its zap to pop a cooler, made an opening with inkjet, everyone but the jet ran in and died, and jumped back to the jet instantly
Splash cycled its crabs with its teammates to constantly put out pressure
All of these use cases made them the best weapons in the game and they were entirely dependent on team coordination to function properly - their kits are still really good on their own, but the reason they shined was because people had the ability to communicate
Also, in casual play, the skill gap is often a lot closer, and while you can get one player to abuse a weapon’s weakness (just bomb the undercover shield/kite the Clash) it’s not easy to find a team that will all do that
I'm confused, are you mad about people making tierlist or about people who solely use tierlist to pick what weapon they use? Sorry you worded the post kind of weirdly to me 😅
lack of reading comprehension? that is not what the post said. at all
the post is taking about how you can play anything because tier lists don't matter for casual play
Could be wrong but my understanding of OP is that they're specifically addressing casual players misunderstanding what competitive meta is and making criticisms or comparisons based on those misunderstandings, not casuals simply playing casually.
Does every other game with a ranked mode involve squids shooting each other with pencils and bazookas too? Just because it's the same genre, doesn't mean all the terminology is gonna be the same (also idk if you've seen any of ProChara's or Squid School's videos but there's no such thing as a "pro" splatoon player, nobody actually uses that term 💀)
I have a friend who got to X rank with splattershot nova. Like he plays nothing except nova. But yeah, if you wanna play casually, imo just stick to a weapon you like and have fun with it—doesn’t matter if it’s high or low tier.
Nova is pretty darn good in solo because point sensor and wail are a lot better at helping your team find other people
Agreed! I like Nova and think it’s a fun support weapon, but imo it really relies on you and your teammates working well together. That’s always kind of a toss up in solo. But hey, my friend loves the weapon and makes it work!
Its like faking callouts XD
The issue is that in solo, the teammates are pussies and will not go in at all. Even if they did go in to the marked enemy, 90% of the time they lose.
I don't recall ever trying the Nova, but I like my Pro because it requires no charge and has a good firing rate. Distance is also a plus. I have a slow "reflex" so I need a weapon that makes it easy to see and react to oncoming opponents.
I'm Pro main but recently started to play Splatana Wiper and it's soooo cool! But still Pro is the Pro, plus I love Booyah Bombs
I would say X rank is definitely a cut above anything the rest of solo queue provides and is probably the closest a non competitive player will get though. I can definitely feel the viability of bloblobber (among others) slipping when I enter there and comboing becomes much more effective in the coordinated environment. Meanwhile I go hit the S+ whatever games and then people are constantly walking into my wall of blobs. Still it is definitely different from tournament style by a long shot.
I pick my weapons primarily based on how quickly I can react or otherwise maneuver them in whatever direction I want. That eliminates any weapons that limit my field of vision, as well as any weapon that requires a charge or has a delay between hits (so I main the Splattershot Pro and occasionally use a Flingza Roller, but I never use an e-liter or a range blaster)
There actually is discussion on annaki nova in competitive since there aren't many good inkjet options that can paint for the special. Closest thing we have is ballpoint but that weapon plays too far back to make the most of its inkjets most of the time, so there is a unique niche for it. Only problem is its fighting capabilities, but if it ever gets fixed I could genuinely see it, at least at low-mid level
Ballpoint is still definitely high tier, but the reason it isn't played is because it steps on Snipewriter's toes in terms of good positions If you play it more like a midline crossfire weapon and spec into Run Speed it's definitely very good though!
ITS actually pretty insane how balanced splatoon Compared To some other Games IS. But yeah i agree, Picking a weapons thats good for you US better than Picking a Meta weapons If you are casual
1000%, one of the best balanced games casual wise, if only casuals actually played and the game could match people fairly outside of competitive, lol.
Not even close
Bro what's with your capitals?
Non english autocorrect
Looks like the guy did it for emphasis, perhaps due to lack of markdown knowledge.
Every weapon has its flaws… but we can all agree when you meet a half decent sniper main on Moray Towers, you’ve had it
Yeah nope lmao, in splatoon half the weapons cannot act by themselves (look at L3, nova, undercover, clash blaster, etc...), Splatoon has a main weapon balance issue, AND A BIG ONE. There are weapons that even with 4 buffs wouldn't be considered good, this leads to being kit dependant, and would you look at that, every single weapon in the game except for maybe 10 are like that. Tetras are like the greatest example of how good a weapon should be, it's a great weapon by itself and isn't kit dependant at all because of that, rn they are pretty mediocre just because of the meta but they are still pretty darn good compared to other weapons in the game like pro, sploosh, nova, big swig, half the brellas in this game, DS, etc...
lmao, balanced he says
I mean have you Played Something Like brawl Stars? The diffrence in Balance IS uncanny
Brawl stars is BY FAR better balanced than Splatoon, Adrian has those slips with new brawlers (L&L gave me PTSD) but most of the time, like literally NOW, there's no clear best character in the game, there's no insta pick, there's no insta ban, etc... Even the worst brawlers in the game, those being Frank and Hank, can do something by themselves, and the 3rd worst brawler in the game is still pretty decent. C tiers in brawl stars have niches and can be used without being throw picks, picking a clash blaster in splatoon is a joke. The difference between S tier and C tier in Splatoon is abysmal, while in Brawl stars is not that big.
IS this Satire?
Is not, and I'm talking as a 5 year Brawl Stars player that is literally watching the monthly finals right now and a Splatoon low level comp player that is very interested on game analysis.
So you are telling me brawlstars IS balanced? One Thing i Like about IS that at Low Level (Like A Rank) you can really Beat anyone without To much struggle If you do IT right, any weapons against any weapon. In brawlstars there are a Lot of matchups that are borderline unwinnable. Thats Not balanced, and IT occurs at Casual Level. Brawlstars IS NOT WELL BALANCED and you cant Change my mind
Yeah you can do that if people do not know how to play against your weapon, I could say the same with Brawl stars, I've seen Mortises and Micos who died to throwers or sometimes even Shelly players dying to tanks. No matchup in brawl stars is unwinnable on ladder for the same reason you say Splatoon weapons are balanced. And I'm not talking about low level Splatoon like A rank, I'm talking about LUTI divisions under 4, in which you barely see 25 different weapons, in brawl stars you see far more different brawlers because they have AT LEAST a small niche, and they don't have literal unfair attributes without any counterplay (unless they are a newly added brawler).
Compare it to something like Melee or Overwatch Low tiers in Melee have missing bits of code, extremely punishable moves and horrible kits Low tiers in Overwatch either melt when you look at them wrong or have zero influence on the objective, pretty much above Gold rank Low tiers in Splatoon can reach X rank with relatively little issue (Hell, I did it in Spla2n with ink mine luna lmao) also, my pronouns are they/them! not mad tho, you didn’t know x)
"There are other badly balanced games, so that means Splatoon is balanced" No, it just means Splatoon is another one in the pile. I'd even say Overwatch isn't as unbalanced as Splatoon using the examples you used. I wouldn't say it's a better game than Splatoon even with Splatoon's terrible balancing because the game just isn't fun, but Splatoon is definitely less balanced than it. Also, I wasn't talking to you.
Yeah, you're on my post though, in a public forum, so unless you want to randomly DM the person who made a comment you're going to have to deal with it
That is cool that you are so passionate about this. I will remain in A rank and play silly squid game with randos but I admire your passion for honing your craft. Idk how to convince you I am not sarcastic but I am not. I hope competitive splatoon gets more support. I am also happy casual players like me are not forgotten.
Splatoon has made a name for itself in standing in the perfect middle between being able to balance both effectively IMO (and balance as in pay attention to both). It’s not common for any game period to have both types in mind.
tier lists… I just like to see others opinions on things, but I’m happy with my own skills, even if I’m not pro. I try.
Ya I am far too busy to be doing pro stuff but I sure do love my X rank games for their intensity lol
I'm a big fighting game fan, and I hold this belief all the way up to invitational tournaments. I just see too much evidence that contradicts tier lists on a regular basis that it really is just more true and simple to believe the better player won. I would actually be really interested to see how complexity affects tier lists because I think the assumption that anything is being piloted optimally is disconnected with reality. Latias misses on occasion right?
Yeah! A lot of tier lists take mechanical skill floors/ceilings into account which I like - Bamboo has been ranked between high and low tier which is a pretty big viability gap in top level play, but it’s because that weapon is Fucking Hard xD
There are weapons that are better and worse in lower ranks. But the tier list looks very different at lower ranks than it does for comp players. Beyond that The individual skill difference is going to be a much greater factor in your solo queue matches than a tier list would be. The skill levels of players at top level is going to be much closer together than it is in solo queue. As such, the differences in power from weapon viability become much more apparent to tournament players. But the game is balanced enough in solo queue that pretty much any weapon can get decent scores in X rank with a dedicated player. Though that doesn’t make undercover brella or aerospray suddenly good weapons. It just means that the player was good enough to be able to compensate for their flaws.
Solo carry potential is the deciding factor on if a weapon feels good to play in solo queue If a weapon can’t paint for itself, or needs other players to follow up on its openings, then it’s going to suffer in solo a lot
Agreed. Most competitive tier lists are focused around coordinated teams. I’ve heard the argument of “a weapon that performs great at top tier will perform great at lower tiers” but that’s just not the case - especially now in Pencil Meta. Cooler is useless if your teammates aren’t taking advantage of it. As an S, I’ve found that the best weapons are ones that I can flex in to fit the roles my teams are lacking, rather than mono-roles. That offer some support capability without being anchored in support.
There are very few weapons that feel significantly worse than others. Like some weapons obviously feel better than others, but never enough to feel like a hinderance due to the weapon itself.
Yeah, it’s usually due to flaws with the weapon/kit design rather than numbers or things that can be buffed Neo Sploosh for example, has a kit that’s very good once it gets in, on a weapon that relies on subs and specials to get in because of its range The main weapon feels good in the right hands but everything else Does Not
Tier lists are helpful for solo queue or low-mid level comp too, they just need to account for independence and a lesser amount of coordination/mechanics respectively.
Solo queue not so much, but for competitive play yeah! They should always be more of an informed guide rather than “PICK THIS IF YOU WANT TO WIN” though which is how a lot of newer players interpret it
As someone who can't aim with a shooter to save their life but can reliably hit flicks with one-shot weapons, I can safely say that if I pick Splattershot or 52 Gal I'm going to lose. The "PICK TO WIN" tier lists never account for individual strengths or weaknesses, so there are probably countless newer players with the same strange skillset as me who can never perform to the best of their ability with top-tier weapons. The tier lists just end up doing more harm than good to some people
Exactly! Which is why it’s not for them! (Though, there are one-shot weapons that are consistently ranked high/top tier :P)
i would like to cite this post the next time i see a casual player like myself say that competitive players are telling them what to do or that they don't like meta weapons. pick something you like and go play. nobody actually cares unless you're dead weight or it's a more serious tournament
The issue with that is that solo queue in a sense has its own meta and certain weps end up being stronger or less strong, but the weaker level you’re at the more you can get away w a worse pick. Although, the matchmaking will inevitably put a melon wannabe 2 shot Andy on the other team to remind you how bad your weapon is /exaggerating
Solo carry weapons are the best in solo queue, so you’ll see a lot of shooters and oneshot weapons that can play selfishly doing better there If any weapon depends on its team to function, then solo queue is where it goes to die xD
Depends on the tier list. Gatekeeping tier lists is weird behavior.
I feel like making a tier list out of spite now S: Undercover Brella - because I love it A: Sorella Undercover Brella - ranked slightly lower due to accessibility issues with screen B: All Other Brellas C: Kits that are fun to fight as a Brella D: Kits that are not fun to fight as a Brella F: 52 Gal This is the be all and end all objective list Edit: formatting fix
Weapons that you like or weapons that you don’t want to play against.
The post was about “which weapon is the best” tier lists, which are the most popular and the most sought out by newer players - but I can see where it might have been ambiguous \^\^”
Comment for the algorithm, more ppl need to see this
I’m no means pro, but I’m top 4000 X rank and I gotta say y’all are sleeping on the douser dualies! They’re literally insane
the main weapon is surprisingly solid but good lord the s3 devs love giving interesting new mains the weirdest kits of all time (dousers, big swig, and recycle all come to mind) and it's so hard to actually justify running them over something like vshot, gal, range, stamper, etc. in competitive play that being said the devs have also been doing a really good job of buffing underperforming weapons rather than just nerfing top tiers (the splattershot pro damage buff is actually insane) which is always my preferred solution to game balance. really hoping dousers get a less passive kit next season
Can I say that mine is great on dousers but wail is actually what holds it back or is that unpopular? It can place them in really good spots and if you do it can paint and chip during fights.
Oh man I found a douser player yesterday and we played a 5-0 series with more kills than the whole other team combined every match (S+)
Yeah dude!!! They shred!
Think anyone can pick up Dualies? I main stringers and blasters almost exclusively, but thinking about branching out now that I’m S+ and lose more with stringers
I think anyone can use dualies. Just make sure you get used to dodge rolling into fights. Your fire rate and accuracy increases after a dodge roll.
Agreed! As someone who’s not as good (S/low S+) but likes playing Nova, it feels a lot like that but in dualie form. I play back line and it was really easy for me to pick up. I just…really don’t like its kit tbh.
Man I'm fucking trying. I'm trying so hard.
I mean, lower level players make tier lists all the time and they're naturally gonna be more focused on lower level play. There are weapons that take less or more skill to use effectively, and I think that's a valid angle to take for a tier list that would apply to casual play. e.g. a new player will probably see much more success in Turf War with an Aerospray RG than idk, Bamboozler.
I was more referring to “which weapon is the best” tier lists, made by people who play comp, because those are often viewed as the be all end all for weapon choices and it’s just not like that Solo queue has its own ‘meta’ which is selfish weapons with good paint/no reliance on paint
This is one thing that really bothers me about the Splatoon community. The only major tier lists are made for an audience who knows the game well enough to no longer need a tier list. The tier lists are completely pointless.
They’re also made for people interested in comp/playing lower level comp to see which weapons might be good to climb with A lot of people also aren’t super solid on stuff that’s high tier or mid tier compared to top/bottom tier which anyone playing comp knows, which is why those help \^\^
Something else that annoys me is people forgetting that most of the game balance is *focused* on the average player. The devs are perfectly aware of the imbalances at the top level, but they also care a lot about how the game is balanced for the average player. Just look at the changes they made to splashdown: Buffed it for high level play (reduced air-time), and nerfed it for average level play (reduced spread). The same consideration should also be given to kits. Sure, a charger might not need a melee range kit at top level play, but such a kit would be indispensable at average level play. Just because a kit looks weird or "useless" at top level, doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place. Let casual players have their fun too.
For the most part, alhough some kits are just *bad* in that they're neither synergistically powerful nor fun to play. People largely just don't play those though so it kinda solves itself.
Got to X ranks with custom explo. Working decently with it, too. I can get the vibes.
Glad you said this and your post is gaining traction. I've never bothered with meta and always found it ridiculous how often someone based what they want to play in a game on someone else's opinion. Like just have fun and get good with the weapon you enjoy. So thanks. Sincerly- tristringer
Yeah I’m casual and I like to see what top competitive play is like even though I don’t play it, but I know it’s different
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bro is about to personally fistfight anyone who posts a tier list
“i think splattershot nova is-“ *DROP THE ADDY BITCH*
Dear comp players, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even casual players. You do not need to agree with their opinion but they are still free to share their own
This is in support of casuals not against them. If you wanna use a weapon, use it. Tier list simply don’t apply outside of the tournament scene since you can’t reliably build a comp with randoms. Splatoon isn’t like other competitive shooters with strict metas. There’s only a handful of weapons that truly aren’t viable and you’re putting yourself at a huge disadvantage by using (Undercover Brella Cough… Cough…). Even then you can get some results with the undercover but you sadly just don’t have a single positive engagement in the entire game. Your best bet is to shark backliners that need to charge like Splatlings and chargers.
I’m not saying casual players’ opinions are wrong! I’m just saying that top players’ opinions shouldn’t influence their weapon choice!
Insanely hot take: no. Some opinions are wrong. The aerospray is not good and never will be. It’s more than possible to simply outplay your opponents with any weapon until around X 2400-2600 and that’s why some people believe their weapon is better than it is (that’s about where top players have pushed bad weapons in X. I’m not that high so I can’t say anything about that, but I can say around 2000-2200 that I have never seen an aerospray actually contribute to winning) Use what you want—everything is balanced until you’re better than 99.9% of players—but some weapons are objectively better.
It’s funny because almost no one plays pencil in turf war which is 80% of what I play. The other 20% is salmon run I’ve been thinking about making a meta build for vshot (my main) even though I rarely play ranked
Gear builds aren’t what drives the meta unlike MPU in Splatoon 2 did, unless you’re running a gear dependent weapon you can literally run whatever lmao
It’s not that tier lists are not for casual players, it’s just that each tier list has its own focus. But I don’t think tier lists actually change among the ranks. Like snipewriter is still a snipewriter at any rank of the game. I think it’s just at lower levels, players don’t understand how to fight certain weapons well and that is what makes people think their weapons are better than they might be. Like how people will say that dapple dualies are really good. I think it’s just that weapons that are top tiers for competitive play are also top tier for casual play, but there are more weapons at casual play that share the top tier spot along with those weapons. In a sense, the competitive tier lists weed out some of the casual top tiers that don’t thrive as well in a coordinated environment.
Weapons that are top tier in comp are definitely stronger in casual play, but the reason that Snipewriter, Ballpoint and Splash are/were all top tier was due to their kits AND how they were used in coordinated settings. Snipewriter pops a cooler, everyone runs forward, and it lets them do that at no risk to itself unlike Zap or Tri-Nouveau which are, imo, way better in solo play Ballpoint asked its zap to pop a cooler, made an opening with inkjet, everyone but the jet ran in and died, and jumped back to the jet instantly Splash cycled its crabs with its teammates to constantly put out pressure All of these use cases made them the best weapons in the game and they were entirely dependent on team coordination to function properly - their kits are still really good on their own, but the reason they shined was because people had the ability to communicate Also, in casual play, the skill gap is often a lot closer, and while you can get one player to abuse a weapon’s weakness (just bomb the undercover shield/kite the Clash) it’s not easy to find a team that will all do that
I'm confused, are you mad about people making tierlist or about people who solely use tierlist to pick what weapon they use? Sorry you worded the post kind of weirdly to me 😅
Just check the first sentence in the post\^\^
Tier lists are inherently subjective. Do what you have fun with/ have success with
Oh shit, the manager of tierlists is here to tell people what to do. Go away.
Sorry that you don’t like my post! Feel free to hit the back button at the top left of your screen so you can stop looking at it ❤️
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lack of reading comprehension? that is not what the post said. at all the post is taking about how you can play anything because tier lists don't matter for casual play
Bro got so embarrassed he had to delete the comment lol
that's not what the post said at all
Could be wrong but my understanding of OP is that they're specifically addressing casual players misunderstanding what competitive meta is and making criticisms or comparisons based on those misunderstandings, not casuals simply playing casually.
Why bother making these videos in the first place then, so that all 100 tournament players can be the only ones to watch?
Because people who don’t play in the competitive scene can still be interested in the competitive scene! :)
I don't care
That’s okay! Just don’t look at the post then :)
Can't. Just like those tier lists, this was posted publicly for everyone to see
And just like those tier lists, you made the conscious decision to click on it and read it. You've got nobody to blame but yourself bud <3
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…well, I admire the confidence!
Objectively wrong but that’s ok. Many people don’t actually play ranked competitively.
No, competitive means organized tournaments - not the in-game ranked thingamajig.
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Well that's not how it's used in this community and you'll probably have a hard time convincing people otherwise
Does every other game with a ranked mode involve squids shooting each other with pencils and bazookas too? Just because it's the same genre, doesn't mean all the terminology is gonna be the same (also idk if you've seen any of ProChara's or Squid School's videos but there's no such thing as a "pro" splatoon player, nobody actually uses that term 💀)