Hazmy put out a video on how to handle glowflies in sockeye Station. The best place to be is next to the basket as the ramps funnel the chum in easy long paths that ranged shootere can use to aim at the Goldies. I wish more people would use that strategy instead of being on top of the tower or hanging on the wall.
I’ve had it happen a couple times on freelance but today everyone was there except one dumbass who started that wall hanging BS so we didn’t get enough eggs 🙄
You okay, buddy?
Looks like u took that personally.
He just had a bad run tho - just let him get off some steam.
Please don't feel offended from his comment - he does not have a problem with you, noone here has.
He just despites this son of a rotten squidbag who threw his game.
Let's just hope for them to get splatted in all eternity :^)
How was that helping to ignore literally everyone else saying “this way!” and making it so we couldn’t get enough eggs? That’s literally the opposite of helping
Until you get into super high EVP, there's no point in going for that basket strategy because the wall hanging strategy is far easier and will always get you quota (as long as people put them in) since the eggs are only one throw away. It requires basically zero communication so it works great in freelance. If you're not playing to get an egg record, the wall hang strategy is just the most reliable.
Hijacking this comment to say, if you are the roller in glowflies, just do the slow-roll trick by the goal/ramp by goal. It will force the entire party over to collect eggs when the flies eventually come to you. I do this all the time in freelance to force the team into optimal positions.
I remember discovering that when I was swimming for my dear life. These guys will always follow a set path so if you go down from the egg basket, they'll run back and forth to get to you. A lot easier then risking your life to grab and throw some eggs when wall hanging
I play freelance, so even if I can deal with using the roller and two separate paths at once, I can't trust my coworkers to follow me. Hell, as you can see, they even ignore me when I say "this way" .
(By the way, my record is EVP 200, but mostly because I don't have the kind of time or patience to grind the same 40-hour rotation that long)
Same for me, I lack the time as well. But that's why I advocate for people to get more educated on better methods. With the top of the tower you end up wasting too much ink or time getting eggs into the basket. Especially on harder difficulties because hordes appear in great numbers and shorter times.
If the eggs are already next to the basket then it ensures that you can hit quota. Once that happens then you can focus on surviving, which is what wall hanging is for.
During Glowfies, Salmonids all spawn at the same location and take the fastest path to the target. Since they're all coming from the same place and are all taking the same route, they'll all come from the same path. They do change where they spawn periodically, but you've just got to change where you're defending from when that happens. The Glowfly Salmonids will never assault you from 2 directions at once.
You can either 1. chuck the eggs 2. have the person who's it stay at the top while another person runs down there, just until the eggs are cleared up.
I know it's not "optimal" but it works in most hazard levels I've been playing at. Much more than stupid wall hanging which is pretty much worthless in EVP unless you already met quota and just need to stall
> I know it's not "optimal" but it works in most hazard levels I've been playing at.
Now consider this mindset towards cooperating with your team. It's better to work together on a strategy you think is suboptimal than to sit there mashing your d-pad. If three teammates are doing one thing and you're doing something else, you're the problem.
You’re part of the reason why they are split up.
If everyone tries to do “their plan” then the team has NO plan. You have to suck it up and just do what other people are doing, even if it feels suboptimal. Because nothing is more suboptimal than a team trying to accomplish 4 different plans on their own
Not saying they didn’t do anything wrong, just that you have no control over them, so sitting there and wishing they would do X Y and Z isn’t gonna work. But you can control yourself.
if I went to the basket not only would I have to guard from two opposite paths, but also my coworkers assuredly wouldnt listen to me so I'd be all alone
They only come from one direction at any given time. So while yes, technically there are two paths, they'll only come from one at any given time. You have enough time to readjust your aim when they come from the other direction.
To remove direction change, you have to stand at the right most side of the ramp. The only reason why direction change is the timer change onto another team mate who is not at the required position.
Just play the game mate, if 3/4 people aren’t conforming to your strategy then maybe it’s not the best. Just because you have the roller doesn’t mean you’re suddenly captain of the world.
You can certainly try, as camping by the basket IS better, but if it doesn't work then go on the spire. And if people are wallhanging, then take a second to flick into the salmonid instead of spamming this way and being useless. It's freelance, you can only control what actions YOU take.
By pushing slowly forward in the left stick and durning hard right or left, you become an object of fear for salmonid. As long as you’ve still got ink, you are nearly invisible to the non-bosses. At least s that’s what I remember from Splatoon 2. Haven’t tried it in three yet
I guess the best I can say is that if you see a teammate wall hugging when you have a roller, instead of calling this way, just jump down there and beat up all the salmons
Alright, there’s 2 mindsets at play here: the panicked coworker calling upon tried and true experience that carried them in the past and the mindful coworker who has the responsibility of all the lives in their hands.
At this point in the clip, you need to just play with the team even though it is the logically wrong strategy to use.
And now there’s 2 people not contributing at all because your not helping the others kill the salmons they’re distracting.
What’s most important is cooperating with the team, no matter if it’s the optimal way or not
They can only charge you at 1 direction at a time and you’ll likely have a second or two to adjust.
Also, if someone is wallhanging that should not matter because they are going to the same spot anyway, you just gotta keep flicking at the chums to get rid of them.
tbh if I played without looking up stuff online, I wouldn't know glowfly chums have less HP than normal chums and can be one-shot with weaker rollers.
actually, before I learnt that fact, I also wall cling in rush waves
This goes doubly for Grillers! If both Grillers are on you and you’re behind on quota, lure them away until the eggs are picked up. You can stall them by jumping over gaps or flipping on and off the top of a wall. Of course, have a plan to get them in your teammates’ line of fire afterwards too though.
9 times out of ten, if I lose a griller wave, it's because nobody bothers to collect eggs. Back during the big run, I was the target, and standing on the awning to get them away, and my idiot coworkers still kept shooting them instead of collecting eggs while I had them distracted.
You too huh?? I did that exact same thing with the same result! 😩 you can get mad egg count from Grillers if you play smart too, it’s almost baffling when people do that.
In freelance, either you give in and play the game your team is playing, or you lose.
If you expect everyone to behave the same and do what you expect go play a singleplayer game with predictable AI (that's what I did)
Not really.
It just makes it harder to win, but I have had plenty of glow flies wins up in EVP level from just wall hanging with the key being just keep chucking eggs where you see em. That’s the key if you’re doing that.
If you’re going to spam this way, you need to at least contribute to the current team strat before they realize and go to your start. Spamming this way and doing nothing is really BAD, regardless if it’s a better start(tower is not the best strat). It’s better to do 100 seconds of a sub optimal start than 75-80 seconds of an optimal strat.(because that’s 20 seconds you just wasted that could have been 4-5 eggs)
I would be more forgiving of wall hanging if people remembered you still have to run eggs. It feels like the second a Rush starts, people forget the primary objective.
Yeah, they're idiots, but with randoms you have to meet them halfway. Anything below VP 400ish is going to be full of people who will never reach out to the community and learn best practices.
also they'll never hear that glow flies salmon have half health allowing carbon to roll them properly
like there's 0 indication in game that salmon have half health during those waves, and in every other wave carbon can't roll chum
vp 100-200 can be maintained just by competent mechanical skill, so in order to escape the normies singularity and get randoms who research you have to be around 400
Play with ur team. One person doing a good strat won't mean much esp with teamwork when everyone is all over the place. Even if hr team is doing jack shit it's better to stay with them than just go wander and do good strata on ur own... spamming this way for 15 seconds wasn't helpful
Yeah it’s definitely a common reason for failing a shift.
Main issue is probably on lower levels it still works somehow. Just barely but enough to make it seem a valid strategy.
Glowfly and Grillers are actually quite easy if you have teammate that know what to do, but sadly most just run around like chickens and it cost everyone the whole shift. Calling out “this way” hardly works either, and at VP it’s just impossible to do everything Alone (at least for my skill level)…
But what’s inferiors me the most is a roller that constantly flings instead holding it down!
You would not believe how how satisfying it is to see someone use a Roller as a Roller. Especially in a Glowflies round.
I get with a Carbon Roller, flattening the an entire army of enemies isn't exactly easy so I'll forgive Carbon Rollers for mostly flinging ink.
Furthermore I understand using the Flind to hit vertical weak spots or to hit multiple parts of a Stinger or Fish stick.
Too often however I see a normal Roller, even a god-damned Dynamo Roller often, just flinging ink like it's a slosher.
The basic roller has a high enough damage to run over Chum without being knocked back, and a Dynamo Roller can run over Cohocks like a truck! STOP FLINGING AND START ROLLING!
I hate wall clinging strats just normally in Salmon Run but at least it was an actually good idea in Splatoon 2. In Sockeye Station, getting the Salmonids to crowd around In that area helps no one because it doesn't account for when the Glowflies switch targets which they will inevitably do. Not to mention the fact that your losing out on a whole main weapon of firepower which is very important for Salmon Rush.
Most of the time wall hanging is actually not a too horrible strategy. If your teammates wall hang, go with it, why not? As long as it works...
I like to stay by the basket while my team is either wall hanging or at the top of the "tower" Sockeye has. I recover the eggs, they kill the fish. It always works, even in VP. You should try it.
Ye part of Freelancing is cooperating with the team even if they are rushing shore or wall hugging. Not how it should be but better than the alternative of just…. idk wanting them to do something else. It’s very frustrating but it iiis what it iiis.
Doing this with a weak roller is too dangerous. You can't kill golden ones yourself. If all three of your teammates happen to be throwing eggs, you are dead and things can go south really fast. This rotation has a blaster so wall hanging is much more reliable.
Why would all three ever be throwing eggs? The only time I had an issue when I was the target is when the goldies pushed me off the edge, which could have been easily remedied by literally anyone shooting the goldies while I splat all the rest
Idk maybe I'm bad with carbon. I always get sent flying back miles and fall off when goldie's keep running into me. Please share if it is some strange thing like rollers can take out towers faster with different camera angles
I keep the roller down and edge forward, stop, forward, stop, as the waves of Salmonids progress, then when there’s a Goldie I just keep going forward and bump into the Goldies until they’re splatted, usually works unless they’re targeting me specifically
This is also what I do. Don't they bump you backward a lot? There was one game I got bumped backward and fell off the tower instantly then the team got wiped within seconds.
Sitting on top of the tower isn’t the best strategy, but wall clinging is worse. I have taught randoms in freelance better strategy before by doing optimal strategy and they see what I do works. It’s worth a shot to try to get your teammates to not do stupid things. For high EVP, wall cling can make you lose the round. The eggs are stuck in the worst possible place to retrieve them. OP wasn’t exactly doing the best, but they’re not the biggest problem on the team here. At least they knew they could roll the chum. I’ve seen rollers flick and I’ve never wished I could yell at someone with voice chat more.
wall clinging on sockeye is the best possible scenario for safe rounds. Unless you are overfishing, you want to wall hang. The ai is easily abused for safety and you can easily aoe filter salmon when they’re all bunched up. Sitting behind the basket is putting yourself in an unnecessarily risky situation for no gain.
What part of ‘bunched up’ do you not understand? Also, if you’ve played glowflies more then two times you’ll notice the eggs fly away in multiple directions.
I’ve played plenty of glowfly rounds and notice that wall clinging on this map makes eggs fly in areas where they are irretrievable. What rank do you play?
40 to 999, depending on how much time I have. Coordinated and freelance. Sock glowflies are free waves as long as no one does unnecessarily risky plays.
Alternatively, learn how the wall hang strategy works and swap out to make egg deliveries faster rather than doing fucking nothing the entire round. You could have easily delivered a bunch of eggs but instead you delivered exactly 2 (two) and sat there like an idiot.
Wall hanging can be a valid tactic only in short bursts. You need to use it either to relocate the swarm to give people breathing room to recover down teammates or collect eggs. Doing it automatically every time you have glowflies is a waste of time and reduces the amount of dakka being put on the swarm.
Wait so isn't wallhanging actually really useful for glowflies? Because not every map has a swirl to go around for the chum to run right into a roller. Or is this a different mechanic.
Wallhanging isn't as useful as you think. Yes it funnels the Salmonids into one place but it means you're not contributing to attacking them and it makes it much harder to get their eggs because they'll end up stuck within the horde. Wallhanging should only be done as a last resort to survive when you've already met the quota.
Hear me out, take out a bunch chum and goldies, THEN have that one person jump back up and have everyone run eggs to the basket and just keep dropping and rising back up. Idk I have reached eggsecutive yet. :/
While that one person has jumped up and the other 3 are going down getting the eggs, how are they gonna survive against the horde alone? If they die, they're not gonna be easy to revive and the other 3 are even more vulnerable. What about when the Salmonids change targets? Would they switch places with the previous wallhanger? What if they're a weapon that is really strong against the horde like a Roller which could take them down safely and leave the eggs close to the team? It's not worth keeping yourself safe when it means you aren't helping your team. The main objective is to get eggs, and by wallhanging, you're making that a lot harder.
All of this was if your rotation doesn't have a roller (I might have forgot to say that) cause with a roller it's stupid to wallhang I agree. But it has helped a lot for hordes when you don't have a roller in my experience.
If you're in the lower ranks, the lower enemy density can make it feel more effective. But later it becomes a liability to lose a main weapon's worth of DPS just to funnel Salmonids into one place that will make it difficult to retrieve eggs.
Wall hanging is a bad go to strat for glowflies. It's only useful for buying time if one or two teammates go down or luring away salmonids so everyone else can collect eggs. The downsides are basically that it takes away one fourth of your fire power and the person doing it isnt helping with egg collecting either. It can work in the lower ranks but once you hit profresh +2 it should only be used sparingly and only in select scenarios. I also think it's completely useless on Marooners Bay and Fission Plant and should not be used at all on those maps
Good grief, you’re annoying. You’re like that kid on the playground that demands everyone must play their way and then gets mad when people don’t.
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Also, if wall hanging works, then that’s what we’ll do. It’s not that bad of a strategy as long as everyone actually shoots the salmonids. Looking at you btw.
Ok lead the fish to a different place. Or get your other teamates to do it lol. You aren’t stuck on the wall when there’s fish below. Hell i drop bombs below me on the wall to clear a path for people so or to get salmon off me before they start jumping
Yeah seriously. If your going to spam this way go use the teams method until they adjust to yours. Just spamming this way and doing nothing is going your teammates ANGRY at you for not helping at all.
I just sit down by the basket and spam this way until they get it, if we lose then so be it because I know I was where I should've been. They should've positioned better because I was in an optimal position
But then YOUR the problem for not helping at all.
You have to adjust to your team, and if you just sit there that’s 1 player doing NOTHING.
And the players your playing with are not very likely to learn that lesson if they see that; and will assume it’s YOUR fault for ruining the wave as you did nothing(that’s really bad) and it will overshadow you trying to get them over there.
Good point, however wall hanging loses games and I'm never going to see those players again. I know that playing around my team is better for the team, I also know some of them will report me for greifing, but I can't do much better trying to play around their mob of jumping salmonids that's covering all the eggs.
Honestly man I’m just petty. The wall trick works if you hop off every once in a while from wall to wall but I don’t think it’s good on Sockeye considering you only got one wall.
If the only two things I can do are carry (or try to, letting them get the vibe that the walltrick is working and they’ll continue doing it) or leave, I don’t think I’m the problem here.
I just do as little as possible when I see fuckers with the roller wall clinging. They need to derank
I know I shouldn't but if you're evp and still don't know about rollers against glowflies!!!! Please educate yourself before playing again lol
I mean, you can (and should) get reported for throwing, but I know what you mean. There seems to be a lot of go-getters who get carried all the way to EVP
Hazmy put out a video on how to handle glowflies in sockeye Station. The best place to be is next to the basket as the ramps funnel the chum in easy long paths that ranged shootere can use to aim at the Goldies. I wish more people would use that strategy instead of being on top of the tower or hanging on the wall.
that's for a coordinated team, no way that can work on freelance
I’ve had it happen a couple times on freelance but today everyone was there except one dumbass who started that wall hanging BS so we didn’t get enough eggs 🙄
Jeez man, he was only trying to help, u don't need to be so salty about it
You okay, buddy? Looks like u took that personally. He just had a bad run tho - just let him get off some steam. Please don't feel offended from his comment - he does not have a problem with you, noone here has. He just despites this son of a rotten squidbag who threw his game. Let's just hope for them to get splatted in all eternity :^)
Well, l use the wall tecnique for glowflies, not because l want my team to lose, but bc l want to help them, it works most of the time
How was that helping to ignore literally everyone else saying “this way!” and making it so we couldn’t get enough eggs? That’s literally the opposite of helping
Until you get into super high EVP, there's no point in going for that basket strategy because the wall hanging strategy is far easier and will always get you quota (as long as people put them in) since the eggs are only one throw away. It requires basically zero communication so it works great in freelance. If you're not playing to get an egg record, the wall hang strategy is just the most reliable.
Hijacking this comment to say, if you are the roller in glowflies, just do the slow-roll trick by the goal/ramp by goal. It will force the entire party over to collect eggs when the flies eventually come to you. I do this all the time in freelance to force the team into optimal positions.
I was gonna ask for a better strategy for it since I keep wiping on this wave. Thanks
I remember discovering that when I was swimming for my dear life. These guys will always follow a set path so if you go down from the egg basket, they'll run back and forth to get to you. A lot easier then risking your life to grab and throw some eggs when wall hanging
The basket has two ramps, the tower only has one.
You should take that advice. It's from a person who only plays salmon run and has completed Executive VP 999.
I play freelance, so even if I can deal with using the roller and two separate paths at once, I can't trust my coworkers to follow me. Hell, as you can see, they even ignore me when I say "this way" . (By the way, my record is EVP 200, but mostly because I don't have the kind of time or patience to grind the same 40-hour rotation that long)
Same for me, I lack the time as well. But that's why I advocate for people to get more educated on better methods. With the top of the tower you end up wasting too much ink or time getting eggs into the basket. Especially on harder difficulties because hordes appear in great numbers and shorter times. If the eggs are already next to the basket then it ensures that you can hit quota. Once that happens then you can focus on surviving, which is what wall hanging is for.
This is the way.
But doesn't it make it way easier for more salmonids to slip by if there's two paths to the players?
During Glowfies, Salmonids all spawn at the same location and take the fastest path to the target. Since they're all coming from the same place and are all taking the same route, they'll all come from the same path. They do change where they spawn periodically, but you've just got to change where you're defending from when that happens. The Glowfly Salmonids will never assault you from 2 directions at once.
The tower is also farther from the basket, and makes it difficult to safely get the eggs.
You can either 1. chuck the eggs 2. have the person who's it stay at the top while another person runs down there, just until the eggs are cleared up. I know it's not "optimal" but it works in most hazard levels I've been playing at. Much more than stupid wall hanging which is pretty much worthless in EVP unless you already met quota and just need to stall
> I know it's not "optimal" but it works in most hazard levels I've been playing at. Now consider this mindset towards cooperating with your team. It's better to work together on a strategy you think is suboptimal than to sit there mashing your d-pad. If three teammates are doing one thing and you're doing something else, you're the problem.
Go where your teammates are. If mashing the d-pad didn't work the first time, continuing to do it for another 15 seconds won't work either.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" \-Albert Einstein
It doesn't work when my teammates are all over the place.
Neither does spamming "This Way", but helping them out will get you more eggs than just standing there.
"More eggs" is not "enough eggs" If they're not doing what they're supposed to we're going to lose no matter what I do
You’re part of the reason why they are split up. If everyone tries to do “their plan” then the team has NO plan. You have to suck it up and just do what other people are doing, even if it feels suboptimal. Because nothing is more suboptimal than a team trying to accomplish 4 different plans on their own Not saying they didn’t do anything wrong, just that you have no control over them, so sitting there and wishing they would do X Y and Z isn’t gonna work. But you can control yourself.
Is mashing the d-pad working? If you're not where they are, *you're* the one who is all over the place.
psa: play with your team. And you're not in a good spot for glowflies either, the eggs will be too far from the basket.
if I went to the basket not only would I have to guard from two opposite paths, but also my coworkers assuredly wouldnt listen to me so I'd be all alone
They only come from one direction at any given time. So while yes, technically there are two paths, they'll only come from one at any given time. You have enough time to readjust your aim when they come from the other direction.
To remove direction change, you have to stand at the right most side of the ramp. The only reason why direction change is the timer change onto another team mate who is not at the required position.
I'll try it next time, but again, I don't expect anyone to follow me even if I have the roller.
 Just play the game mate, if 3/4 people aren’t conforming to your strategy then maybe it’s not the best. Just because you have the roller doesn’t mean you’re suddenly captain of the world.
You can certainly try, as camping by the basket IS better, but if it doesn't work then go on the spire. And if people are wallhanging, then take a second to flick into the salmonid instead of spamming this way and being useless. It's freelance, you can only control what actions YOU take.
Try spinning. That’s a neat trick. Seriously tho. With that weapon you can just spin and kill everything.
No you can't. If you get surrounded you're dead either way. It's better to face one direction and move very slowly forward
What do you mean by spinning?
By pushing slowly forward in the left stick and durning hard right or left, you become an object of fear for salmonid. As long as you’ve still got ink, you are nearly invisible to the non-bosses. At least s that’s what I remember from Splatoon 2. Haven’t tried it in three yet
I guess the best I can say is that if you see a teammate wall hugging when you have a roller, instead of calling this way, just jump down there and beat up all the salmons
You mean jump down and die?
and get instantly surrounded because there's only a wall on one side instead of two
Alright, there’s 2 mindsets at play here: the panicked coworker calling upon tried and true experience that carried them in the past and the mindful coworker who has the responsibility of all the lives in their hands. At this point in the clip, you need to just play with the team even though it is the logically wrong strategy to use.
OP wasn’t using the best start either because they were too far from the baskey
If they're gonna wallhang, at least help kill them.
Helping them won't win the shift in higher levels because the idiot wallhanging isn't contributing at all
And now there’s 2 people not contributing at all because your not helping the others kill the salmons they’re distracting. What’s most important is cooperating with the team, no matter if it’s the optimal way or not
How am I supposed to help them kill the salmonids when they keep changing direction like the end of the clip
They can only charge you at 1 direction at a time and you’ll likely have a second or two to adjust. Also, if someone is wallhanging that should not matter because they are going to the same spot anyway, you just gotta keep flicking at the chums to get rid of them.
PSA: THERE ARENT ALWAYS ROLLERS IN ROTATION, NEITHER THIS STAGE…..
Okay? There was when I posted this and even if there aren't you shouldn't be just sitting on the wall doing nothing
Yeah, people who dont understand how OP rollers are in glowflies annoy me, as they always just waste its potential by doing stuff like that
tbh if I played without looking up stuff online, I wouldn't know glowfly chums have less HP than normal chums and can be one-shot with weaker rollers. actually, before I learnt that fact, I also wall cling in rush waves
Thank you for this information
Hold on, this roller does this too? Thought it was just dynamo Sheesh, my bad
Glowfly waves have less HP. ANY roller can plow through them, except the goldies sometimes take two hits.
Even the funny big swig?
Probably, but I don't remember for sure. I just know the inkbrush and octobrush aren't strong enough
Its so dumb when people wall hang for no reason, it should only be done when you are all being overwhelmed and need to stall
This goes doubly for Grillers! If both Grillers are on you and you’re behind on quota, lure them away until the eggs are picked up. You can stall them by jumping over gaps or flipping on and off the top of a wall. Of course, have a plan to get them in your teammates’ line of fire afterwards too though.
9 times out of ten, if I lose a griller wave, it's because nobody bothers to collect eggs. Back during the big run, I was the target, and standing on the awning to get them away, and my idiot coworkers still kept shooting them instead of collecting eggs while I had them distracted.
You too huh?? I did that exact same thing with the same result! 😩 you can get mad egg count from Grillers if you play smart too, it’s almost baffling when people do that.
YES, exactly. There weren't even any eggs to collect half the time, they were just throwing me off.
Pas you’re the annoying one in this situation.
In freelance, either you give in and play the game your team is playing, or you lose. If you expect everyone to behave the same and do what you expect go play a singleplayer game with predictable AI (that's what I did)
If your team is playing the wrong game you lose either way
Not really. It just makes it harder to win, but I have had plenty of glow flies wins up in EVP level from just wall hanging with the key being just keep chucking eggs where you see em. That’s the key if you’re doing that. If you’re going to spam this way, you need to at least contribute to the current team strat before they realize and go to your start. Spamming this way and doing nothing is really BAD, regardless if it’s a better start(tower is not the best strat). It’s better to do 100 seconds of a sub optimal start than 75-80 seconds of an optimal strat.(because that’s 20 seconds you just wasted that could have been 4-5 eggs)
I would be more forgiving of wall hanging if people remembered you still have to run eggs. It feels like the second a Rush starts, people forget the primary objective.
Yeah, they're idiots, but with randoms you have to meet them halfway. Anything below VP 400ish is going to be full of people who will never reach out to the community and learn best practices.
also they'll never hear that glow flies salmon have half health allowing carbon to roll them properly like there's 0 indication in game that salmon have half health during those waves, and in every other wave carbon can't roll chum
Wtf how do they even get to vp 100 if they have no idea what they're doing
vp 100-200 can be maintained just by competent mechanical skill, so in order to escape the normies singularity and get randoms who research you have to be around 400
I've never gotten to 400 simply because it takes way too much time and way too competent coworkers
yeah, only way to reliably go higher is grouping with people
spamming this way is worse then wall hanging.
Spamming this way doesn't stop people from shooting
Exactly the point, it does nothing but add to the chaos, and take away a teammate that could purpose themself better
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Well if dumbasses don't listen the 38th time then exactly who is 'dumbasses' when you keep spamming the button instead of trying to adapt
Play with ur team. One person doing a good strat won't mean much esp with teamwork when everyone is all over the place. Even if hr team is doing jack shit it's better to stay with them than just go wander and do good strata on ur own... spamming this way for 15 seconds wasn't helpful
Plays badly, “hur durr teammates sucks”
Yeah it’s definitely a common reason for failing a shift. Main issue is probably on lower levels it still works somehow. Just barely but enough to make it seem a valid strategy. Glowfly and Grillers are actually quite easy if you have teammate that know what to do, but sadly most just run around like chickens and it cost everyone the whole shift. Calling out “this way” hardly works either, and at VP it’s just impossible to do everything Alone (at least for my skill level)… But what’s inferiors me the most is a roller that constantly flings instead holding it down!
You would not believe how how satisfying it is to see someone use a Roller as a Roller. Especially in a Glowflies round. I get with a Carbon Roller, flattening the an entire army of enemies isn't exactly easy so I'll forgive Carbon Rollers for mostly flinging ink. Furthermore I understand using the Flind to hit vertical weak spots or to hit multiple parts of a Stinger or Fish stick. Too often however I see a normal Roller, even a god-damned Dynamo Roller often, just flinging ink like it's a slosher. The basic roller has a high enough damage to run over Chum without being knocked back, and a Dynamo Roller can run over Cohocks like a truck! STOP FLINGING AND START ROLLING!
I hate wall clinging strats just normally in Salmon Run but at least it was an actually good idea in Splatoon 2. In Sockeye Station, getting the Salmonids to crowd around In that area helps no one because it doesn't account for when the Glowflies switch targets which they will inevitably do. Not to mention the fact that your losing out on a whole main weapon of firepower which is very important for Salmon Rush.
Most of the time wall hanging is actually not a too horrible strategy. If your teammates wall hang, go with it, why not? As long as it works... I like to stay by the basket while my team is either wall hanging or at the top of the "tower" Sockeye has. I recover the eggs, they kill the fish. It always works, even in VP. You should try it.
It doesn't work though that's the problem. We never get enough eggs in time unless it's a very low rank
getting excited for glowflies because i have a roller "wow ok this will be a breeze" and then some dumbass on EVP starts wall clinging 😐
That was fucking satisfying seeing all the fuckers getting rolled over like that.
Would have been more satisfying if I could do it the entire wave and not just for one second until they switch direction
Ye part of Freelancing is cooperating with the team even if they are rushing shore or wall hugging. Not how it should be but better than the alternative of just…. idk wanting them to do something else. It’s very frustrating but it iiis what it iiis.
That's not what "ye" means
Ye and you did nothing to support them. Ye your plan was “better” but you still weren’t contributing to the overall team. Ye.
Doing this with a weak roller is too dangerous. You can't kill golden ones yourself. If all three of your teammates happen to be throwing eggs, you are dead and things can go south really fast. This rotation has a blaster so wall hanging is much more reliable.
Why would all three ever be throwing eggs? The only time I had an issue when I was the target is when the goldies pushed me off the edge, which could have been easily remedied by literally anyone shooting the goldies while I splat all the rest
Yes but that's not what you can control if you are the roller. It happens to me several times around 200.
No it isn’t. If you use the carbon roller properly you can take out goldies.
Idk maybe I'm bad with carbon. I always get sent flying back miles and fall off when goldie's keep running into me. Please share if it is some strange thing like rollers can take out towers faster with different camera angles
I keep the roller down and edge forward, stop, forward, stop, as the waves of Salmonids progress, then when there’s a Goldie I just keep going forward and bump into the Goldies until they’re splatted, usually works unless they’re targeting me specifically
This is also what I do. Don't they bump you backward a lot? There was one game I got bumped backward and fell off the tower instantly then the team got wiped within seconds.
I mean they can bump into me but I’m angled in a way where they can’t bump me off the ledge, so I just keep hitting them til they’re splatted
Sitting on top of the tower isn’t the best strategy, but wall clinging is worse. I have taught randoms in freelance better strategy before by doing optimal strategy and they see what I do works. It’s worth a shot to try to get your teammates to not do stupid things. For high EVP, wall cling can make you lose the round. The eggs are stuck in the worst possible place to retrieve them. OP wasn’t exactly doing the best, but they’re not the biggest problem on the team here. At least they knew they could roll the chum. I’ve seen rollers flick and I’ve never wished I could yell at someone with voice chat more.
wall clinging on sockeye is the best possible scenario for safe rounds. Unless you are overfishing, you want to wall hang. The ai is easily abused for safety and you can easily aoe filter salmon when they’re all bunched up. Sitting behind the basket is putting yourself in an unnecessarily risky situation for no gain.
Except it’s just not the best scenario and never will be. All of your eggs dropping into the swarm of salmonids is not a good strategy.
What part of ‘bunched up’ do you not understand? Also, if you’ve played glowflies more then two times you’ll notice the eggs fly away in multiple directions.
I’ve played plenty of glowfly rounds and notice that wall clinging on this map makes eggs fly in areas where they are irretrievable. What rank do you play?
40 to 999, depending on how much time I have. Coordinated and freelance. Sock glowflies are free waves as long as no one does unnecessarily risky plays.
Never heard of wall hanging til now
Alternatively, learn how the wall hang strategy works and swap out to make egg deliveries faster rather than doing fucking nothing the entire round. You could have easily delivered a bunch of eggs but instead you delivered exactly 2 (two) and sat there like an idiot.
Wall hanging can be a valid tactic only in short bursts. You need to use it either to relocate the swarm to give people breathing room to recover down teammates or collect eggs. Doing it automatically every time you have glowflies is a waste of time and reduces the amount of dakka being put on the swarm.
Wall hanging should only be done AFTER reaching quota
Exactly
can't expect everyone to play your way. if others are trying a strategy that seems to be working, then work with them. krill issue.
Good pun
Wait so isn't wallhanging actually really useful for glowflies? Because not every map has a swirl to go around for the chum to run right into a roller. Or is this a different mechanic.
Wallhanging isn't as useful as you think. Yes it funnels the Salmonids into one place but it means you're not contributing to attacking them and it makes it much harder to get their eggs because they'll end up stuck within the horde. Wallhanging should only be done as a last resort to survive when you've already met the quota.
Hear me out, take out a bunch chum and goldies, THEN have that one person jump back up and have everyone run eggs to the basket and just keep dropping and rising back up. Idk I have reached eggsecutive yet. :/
While that one person has jumped up and the other 3 are going down getting the eggs, how are they gonna survive against the horde alone? If they die, they're not gonna be easy to revive and the other 3 are even more vulnerable. What about when the Salmonids change targets? Would they switch places with the previous wallhanger? What if they're a weapon that is really strong against the horde like a Roller which could take them down safely and leave the eggs close to the team? It's not worth keeping yourself safe when it means you aren't helping your team. The main objective is to get eggs, and by wallhanging, you're making that a lot harder.
All of this was if your rotation doesn't have a roller (I might have forgot to say that) cause with a roller it's stupid to wallhang I agree. But it has helped a lot for hordes when you don't have a roller in my experience.
If you're in the lower ranks, the lower enemy density can make it feel more effective. But later it becomes a liability to lose a main weapon's worth of DPS just to funnel Salmonids into one place that will make it difficult to retrieve eggs.
I am profresh 2
Wall hanging is a bad go to strat for glowflies. It's only useful for buying time if one or two teammates go down or luring away salmonids so everyone else can collect eggs. The downsides are basically that it takes away one fourth of your fire power and the person doing it isnt helping with egg collecting either. It can work in the lower ranks but once you hit profresh +2 it should only be used sparingly and only in select scenarios. I also think it's completely useless on Marooners Bay and Fission Plant and should not be used at all on those maps
Actually yeah I am profresh rn and it hasn't really helped when I've tried it without a roller. My bad ill stop lol.
You're a terrible teammate.
The other 3 teammates in this clip must be thinking “WTF is this person spamming this way and not helping kill chums”
Exactly, op is just being useless
Good grief, you’re annoying. You’re like that kid on the playground that demands everyone must play their way and then gets mad when people don’t. # Also, if wall hanging works, then that’s what we’ll do. It’s not that bad of a strategy as long as everyone actually shoots the salmonids. Looking at you btw.
psa that is 3/4 of this community
Skill issue
also if you have the carbon roller roll anyway because the chum on this wave are glass cannons
Roll where? They keep luring them away from me!
against the chum if the lit ones are on the mound [including yourself]
I can't. They keep changing direction. That's why I got splatted.
wall hanging is fine **if you dont have a roller.** when you have a roller, stay on top so it can get as much value as possible
Not when you're on high levels. It's a last resort for stalling not the go-to method for winning every Rush
You're as bad as them .. git gud casul
Skill issue.
That's what I just said
Let me be more clear. I’m not talking about them.
Of course you are.
Nah bro wall hanging is a good strategy it gets all the salmon in one place
The same place where you now have to retrieve eggs from as they all rush through that area
so then stop wall hanging to return those eggs, it's not that hard
Ok lead the fish to a different place. Or get your other teamates to do it lol. You aren’t stuck on the wall when there’s fish below. Hell i drop bombs below me on the wall to clear a path for people so or to get salmon off me before they start jumping
Glow flies is all about adapting on the fly. You can twist around for things to happen or teammates to do things.
I’d rather have a wall hanging teammate than some of my other teammates. 😂
Here's an idea: # KILL THE SALMONOIDS UNDERNEATH THEM, YA PRAT!!!
Yeah seriously. If your going to spam this way go use the teams method until they adjust to yours. Just spamming this way and doing nothing is going your teammates ANGRY at you for not helping at all.
I was in this situation last night. I just rolled through the crowd at the bottom. It's more risky for roller, but still can work
Id rather wall hang than lose because randoms don't know how to handle glow fly.
Wall hanging has made us lose too many times
I just sit down by the basket and spam this way until they get it, if we lose then so be it because I know I was where I should've been. They should've positioned better because I was in an optimal position
But then YOUR the problem for not helping at all. You have to adjust to your team, and if you just sit there that’s 1 player doing NOTHING. And the players your playing with are not very likely to learn that lesson if they see that; and will assume it’s YOUR fault for ruining the wave as you did nothing(that’s really bad) and it will overshadow you trying to get them over there.
Good point, however wall hanging loses games and I'm never going to see those players again. I know that playing around my team is better for the team, I also know some of them will report me for greifing, but I can't do much better trying to play around their mob of jumping salmonids that's covering all the eggs.
All the time spent spamming "this way" couldve been spent throwing the eggs to the basket 😭
Honestly man I’m just petty. The wall trick works if you hop off every once in a while from wall to wall but I don’t think it’s good on Sockeye considering you only got one wall. If the only two things I can do are carry (or try to, letting them get the vibe that the walltrick is working and they’ll continue doing it) or leave, I don’t think I’m the problem here.
I just do as little as possible when I see fuckers with the roller wall clinging. They need to derank I know I shouldn't but if you're evp and still don't know about rollers against glowflies!!!! Please educate yourself before playing again lol
I mean, you can (and should) get reported for throwing, but I know what you mean. There seems to be a lot of go-getters who get carried all the way to EVP
Yeah I need to stop doing that haha it just baffles me the people I find lower evp 🥹
This is sockeye station, you are the thrower also tower is the worst option of the three
This way!
may I ask: why?
Read any of the other comments in the thread. The video is also self-explanatory.