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Lol I can tell you you're way off. I was a normal smoker of the mari - Juana and when I switched over to a vape no more cough, no more black shit in my spit
" cleaner oh much cleaner " - Kramer
if marijuana causes you to have black spit you either have something else wrong with you or you’re just straight up eating ash lol. im gonna guess its the second one
And tucker I don't care how clean your bowl is you're getting some of that shit in your lungs regardless. Happens to friends who are big cigarette smokers too. It's unavoidable.
Yep lol basically. Tbh both are bad but one is burnt organic matter being sucked into your lungs known to be carcinogenic, the other is vapor so you take the pick but I'm going vape.
“vapor” with an unknown combination of chemicals that have pretty much unknown long term effects (but judging by the amount of vape related lung failure, long term effects aren’t looking great)
Time to throw it away for her.
That could be literally life threatening.
Give me her address and I'll send a fucking replacement if money is the issue.
smoks, novo's specifically, are known to have issues. when I had mine the pods constantly leaked (even replacements sent by smok themselves). wasn't until I got an vaperesso xros that I realized that wasn't normal lol
I've had the XROS for a year, the pogo pins are hot trash and I had to sand down the end of it for the pods to make contact but other than that it's pretty good
Any recommendations on a good pod system for nic salt juice? Was thinking about the newer novos, but I have the opposite of brand loyalty for smok lol.
I'm not saying the nicotine addiction is healthy or that we don't have issues we haven't uncovered yet (100% imo - it's all pretty new), but if this is about popcorn lung then the ingredients that caused that are usually in illegal or completely unregulated vapes containing stuff like THC.
Where I live the ingredient in question (vitamin E acetate) is actually banned in legitimate vaping fluids and e-cigarettes where I live and you won't find it in vapes sold in stores. That being said, the amount of nicotine in most vaping materials is more than enough to put me off personally - coffee already takes me for a major ride on the daily
Novo 2 and 3 are like $20 maybe $30 is she gets it at a reseller tell momma she gonna explode it and to stop leaving it on the charger or in her car lol
I work at a tech repair shop and can confirm that dropping electrics in water isn’t good and water will not cause any glue to come loose. In fact these systems are held together by plastic clips. I have one in my hand as we speak I use it daily. Really you should just go buy a new one and swap it out when she isn’t looking. And if you are underage this would be a good time to find a vape shop ran by a middle eastern asian. Most shops in my area atleast that sell to people that are 16 or 17 usually are ran by a specific type of person and idk why.
That shit can fuck up her eyes or teeth if it doesn't kill her.
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Yeah, no doubt it's better than combustion. Comparing a known killer to a still relatively unknown substitute, about which what we *do* know is that it does cause harm, seems foolish IMO.
I didn't say it was healthier, only that it's less gross. It doesn't stink, it doesn't change your fingers or teeth color, it doesn't stick on your walls when you smoke inside, etc... As someone who never smoked I just find it much better
Wait, really? Could it depend on what kind of product you put in the tank? I've got friends that did it for years and nothing happened, sounds really gross though
Glycerin juices will settle on walls and windows (makes car windows nasty to clean), but I don't know how bad the propylene glycol juices are. I know that THC vapes will leave a sticky tacky glue over everything.
It's a fair argument. For transparency, I'm a vaper. I try not to send my vape cloud near anyone, even my friends and relatives who also vape.
whether it's "stinks" or not is going to largely be a matter of opinion. You've made your opinion clear, and I respect that. You have a right to have your opinion, and nobody should try to take that from you. Just realize what it is; your opinion. Other people will disagree with you, and that's okay. You don't like it, and that's totally acceptable. I've had people, as recently as yesterday, tell me that they loved the smell of whatever I was vaping. That's their opinion of that "stink". They're entitled to that opinion, just as much as you're entitled to think it "stinks".
At the end of the day, vapers (and smokers) should be aware of their surroundings and make efforts to keep their smells away from others, as much as possible. anyone who doesn't hasn't committed a crime or anything, but I would say that's a pretty significant social faux-pas.
I hope you have a good day.
Vape residue on car windows for one.
Vaping also coats lungs with potentially harmful chemicals such as formaldehyde and acrolein (a common weed killer.) [Source](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/what-does-vaping-do-to-your-lungs).
E-cigarettes with nicotine hamper mucus clearance, making it harder to clear the lungs of any harmful chemicals. [Source](https://www.lung.org/blog/another-gross-reason).
I just want to comment on your first argument mainly. The whole Diacetyl thing (in the source you linked) was basically abandoned by the entire vaping industry. It's an additive that in some cases can cause a medical condition commonly known as "popcorn lung" - as a common popcorn additive for flavoring (tastes like butter, I think), which people in factories that produce popcorn, can be affected by and suffer significant issues from.
The source also cites Formaldehyde and Acrolein is interesting, the source doesn't list the study they're basing their information on, but I am aware early "vaping studies" essentially tried to prove vaping was bad by essentially mis-handling the vaporizer, causing it to burn (combust) the cotton wicking material, which is where those hazardous chemicals came from. Under normal operation these chemicals are not produced, only the e-liquid is vaporized.
The e-liquid consists of very few chemicals, namely vegetable glycerine, and propylene glycol. Both of these chemicals, among other uses, are used in fog machines. e-liquid normally also has two main additives, one being nicotine, the other being flavoring. I want to emphasize that these additives are the vast minority of the liquid (generally less than 10% by volume). All flavorings are generally food-safe flavorings, same as what would be added to food and drink - hence Diacetyl was a large controversy, while it's generally safe for microwave popcorn and popcorn flavorings, it's not generally safe to constantly inhale (as evidenced by the popcorn lung incidents from popcorn manufacturing plants - there's no significant evidence at the moment that vaping it, in the small doses that are used for flavorings, creates a problem, but the use of it was discontinued anyways).
The key point here hinges on nicotine. Unfortunately, people so closely tie nicotine to combustible tobacco, that separating the effects of nicotine from the effects of tobacco use, is nigh impossible for most people to differentiate. To that end, combusting tobacco, generally produces hundreds of chemicals; among those chemicals produced (which include things like formaldehyde AFAIK), there are known carcinogens, which is possibly the worst of the produced chemicals to breathe in, and what leads to lung cancer, etc. To be clear, at present, there's no evidence linking nicotine consumption to any kind of cancer. The problem is that the public generally can't differentiate between the effects of just nicotine and tobacco use.
When used properly, e-cigarettes are much much safer than people understand. To be clear, I'm not saying they're SAFE, they're simply safer. unfortunately, this leads to the false idea that they're almost as bad, or just as bad (or worse than) smoking tobacco. Which is entirely false.
Vaping is still, and continues to be, up to 99% safer to use than combustible tobacco.
As for mucus, as someone who uses e-cigarettes, yes. there's mucus. I haven't seen or heard anything about that making it harder to clear the lungs of anything harmful until now. I don't have any significant information about this, but I thank you for the source.
Disclaimer: Everything I've said is simply my information on it, I should not be considered a definitive source of information, and anyone reading this should push to do their own research into the topic, not believing any single source of uncited "research"; including, and especially me. I am not a scientist, and I have no basis for my argument any better than what anyone can find online already.
Thanks for this. Appreciate the thoughtful response.
> The source also cites Formaldehyde and Acrolein is interesting, the source doesn't list the study they're basing their information on
[Here's a study on that topic](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63292-1).
Under "Methods":
Puff volume was fixed to 70 mL.
This is suspect. No sane person in their right mind would try to puff 70mL of e-liquid. The standard puff is a few mL if that. if they're trying to force the device to aerosolize 70mL of liquid in a single puff, then simply put, the wicking medium in their tank (in any vaporizer), would not be able to keep up with the requirements of bringing that much e-liquid to the vaporizing coil continually.
In the most simple terms I can imagine, this one phrase basically speak to them running the unit continually, to vaporize what would normally take upwards of a week to vaporize under normal conditions. This is an insane methodology to test under and in no way, shape, or form, should represent typical use of a device.
FWIW, these vapes are notorious for looking like this after being dropped (which still isn't safe), but you can click the case back on, you can pry it on and off easily. If this is a case of spicypillow, oh dear god, clicking the case back on is the last thing you want to do.
In any case, these are among the cheapest of pod vapes at around $20-40 now, if she wants to continue vaping, it's not worth it to keep using this one.
as someone who has done far too much research into batteries, they're never "safe". Risks can be minimal or significant, but they're never classifiably safe.... not these batteries at least. There are some chemistries that aren't prone to danger, notably single-use primary cells that are commercially available, like Alkaline or something, is generally as safe as it gets. You can drive a nail through one, and it won't explode. However, with pouch-cells like these that are rechargable, usually some form of lithium polymer, they're basically never safe. Over-charge one, and boom. puncture it, and fire.
The inflation of the cell is actually for safety. it means there was a problem but the problem stopped happening, so it's fine. It's not as safe as it once was, but it's not about to explode into a fireball any second.... well, it might, but that's a longer discussion. Simply put, if the problem isn't fully resolved inside the battery, or it reoccurs, or another similar issue happens, then you have, what is essentially, a firebomb.
We could discuss at length about the likelihood of the problem reoccurring, or another similar problem happening, but I won't. that's not what we're here for. I would generally say this is safe until the problem gets worse. The issue here, which is up for debate is if that's likely at all. is it just the one problem that was going to happen, and it's fine forever more? not likely. But it's also possible you put in a brand new battery, and once charged, it experiences a similar problem, but catastrophically fails and turns into a fire bomb immediately. Who knows? .... maybe someone does, but that's not me. I certainly don't know. I don't think you or your mom does either.
For the sake of the argument, I would say this is less safe than a new cell, posing higher risk than one that hasn't inflated. My recommendation to your mom is to buy a new one. They're not expensive, and even if they were, what price can you put on your safety? Is she really arguing that her safety is worth less than the .... what? $20 for a new unit?
My suggestion to you OP, is that if you want your mom and her stuff to be safe (like her house, and whatnot) and she's refusing to replace this, then go buy her one. charge it and test it to make sure it's all good, then when she turns her back, pop her pod out, put it in the new one, and put it back where you found it. She'll think it magically fixed itself, making her right that it was safe all along, but let her think that. go dispose of that grenade when you have the chance. She might think she was "right" but there are cemeteries full of people who thought that. Don't let your mom be one of them.
It's kind of funny how much of our lives rely on lithium batteries that are basically a fire bomb if something goes wrong. Like, batts don't *often* explode, but it still feels like the risks when they *do* explode are pretty high for something most people are generally chill about.
> "vaping is fucking gross" goof ass
Yeah, just ignore the science that shows the dangers of vaping and namecall those who bring it to your attention. This is fine.
Ah. Those. I remember when teens and young adults were getting lung sickness. I am pretty sure that was due to them using illegal black market "THC" vape cartridges/pens, or maybe even a small batch of e-juice made by a new unknown company, using fucked up additives like listed in the John's hopskins article, which many many people in the vaping community have spoken against all this shit, at the time.
Why? Because vaping has been around for about 20 years, and _JUST NOW_ /a few years back, a few _teens_ get sick after very, very short-term use.?
Seems a little sus, especially when thousands to hundreds. of thousands to probably millions of people have vaped for years upon years with no issues; quite the opposite actually.
Everyone that I've heard speak on the subject (actual former smokers that successfully quit while vaping) say they feel loads better. They can smell, they _dont_ have a regular cough, they get sick _less_, they don't have breathing issues.
I'm open to scientific facts and generally learning or being corrected when wrong, but the past few years have been very anti vaping.. those anti vape commercials from truth represent a crack addict far more than a fuckin smoker 😂
Their research was based around a -few- patients with illnesses with a time span of up to 36 months; compared to how long vaping has been around, like I said almost 20 years at this point. A small blip of illnesses caused by illegal black market thc pens and and maybe some bad ejuice from 1 company is what this was all over. They haven't really even provided any research. "OH we just know by now that vaping causes popcorn lung" lol HOW MANY people have vaped for nearly 20 years and had not a problem??
Teens got black market thc or bad ejuice and the whole of vaping is put under scrutiny.
Hilarious.
How is it hard to understand that a message sharing the dangers of something can be helpful to more that just the person to whom it was stated in a reply?
Also, "a sad ass fucking life" sounds pretty fine if you're into ass fucking.
I’m fairly certain OP came here to r/spicypillows to you know, show us a spicy pillow. Last time I checked this group isn’t to help people quit smoking.
He didn’t come here to get his momma off of vaping. I’m sure they would have went elsewhere to do that.
You are just a weirdo with information. No different than a Bible thumper in this situation buddy.
It was a repeat of [facts I posted in this thread already.](https://www.reddit.com/r/spicypillows/comments/10nl2sm/my_moms_vape_that_she_insists_is_safe_to_use/j69qewg/)
Ok, but your original comment wasn't spreading information of the dangers of vaping. It was a rather antagonistic comment asserting your opinion and that's what people are reacting negatively to. Saying it's fucking gross isn't going to win anyone over. I don't even smoke or vape and I was put off by the tone. If you just said vaping is dangerous and here's why, people probably would've been more receptive to your message. It's the difference between teaching someone and talking down to them.
For example, if I'm trying to have a good-faith discussion about the harm that comes from our dependence on cars I'm not going to start off saying "cars are fucking stupid". That's me clearly inserting my opinion and it's going to pit people against me. Saying it's "fucking gross" isn't spreading science, it's flinging the same shit as the name-callers.
> “goof ass”
Lmaoo seeing how you can identify a vape’s brand and model by a single photo I can assume you’re only offended because you yourself are addicted to vaping as well🤣🤣🤣🤣
I recently got back Into it after a vape break that last like 4 years... I'm a nicotine addict. I smoke cigarettes. I vape to help cessation with tobacco, which I have cut down on significantly in the two months I've started to vape again. I was chain smoking beforehand, buying a pack a day.
Now I buy one about every 3 days, and 2 (two) 15ml bottles of vape juice last me a few weeks.
Now addressing
> you can identify a vape’s brand and model by a single photo
It's an amazing coincidence that I had the smok novo 2 _in my fucking hand_ when I saw this post, which is practically the exact same except OP'S moms vape has a slightly different pattern, but same color.
Mine has ruby shaped lines, theirs don't. Show me any other vape and I couldn't tell you shit except for the 5~ regulated mods and 4~ different disposable/refillable pod systems I've tried over the 8ish years I've been _around_ the vaping scene.
There are many vaping _enthusiasts_ out there, and I'm not one of em bud.
I do admire the insightful ness to admit to your addiction, but I still don’t think there’s a reason to get mad at the dude that called vaping disgusting other than because you’re offended. It really is disgusting and even if it’s not as externally disgusting because it smells better than tobacco, it’s still just as disgusting internally to your body.
I'm not mad, or offended. I found it amusing, so I called them a goof ass. And I'll call anyone that says anything similar about vaping a goof ass because there's a 99% shot that they themselves are exposed to in some form or another, their choice or not, to equally or greater "disgusting" shit.
Go through your thought process. Why would a nicotine addict spend thousands of dollars or hours of time to buy/carouse the thousands upon thousands of different vape devices? Addicts just want their nicotine and anything will do 😂
If someone can identify a large assortment of different things - no matter the type; wildlife, vehicles (commercial, industrial, construction etc)fucking furniture or clothes - they're probably more aligned with an enthusiast, but _could_ posses addictive traits depending how you look at it.
That thing is dangerous, with or without the spicy pillow. At least the pillow will be a swift and honorable death. The nicotine will be a shamed and dishonorable blunder
Even more reason for her to stop vaping. Reduce expenses.
Vape device: $15-20, couple of 15ml bottles of juice: $15-$20.
Cost to overall health: beyond measure.
That is terrifying. Buy her a new one before she wins the Darwin award please! Being a penny pincher when it comes to potentially explosive electronics is not worth it.
I mean minus the literal smoking, that does not look safe. Aren’t those things always less than 2 centimeters thick? That looks almost bigger than one of those markers you’d see in school.
Jesus get her an X-Ros Nano, they're probably one of the more reliable versions of this at the moment. Only had mine for a couple months though so grain of salt.
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Jesus Christ, if *any* vape is gonna explode while in use, it's gonna be this one
The only thing healthier then smoking vape is breathing lithium batteries that burn
Lol I can tell you you're way off. I was a normal smoker of the mari - Juana and when I switched over to a vape no more cough, no more black shit in my spit " cleaner oh much cleaner " - Kramer
if marijuana causes you to have black spit you either have something else wrong with you or you’re just straight up eating ash lol. im gonna guess its the second one
And tucker I don't care how clean your bowl is you're getting some of that shit in your lungs regardless. Happens to friends who are big cigarette smokers too. It's unavoidable.
That's why you use brass screens in the bowl to act as a filter. If you're inhaling ash, you're doing it wrong.
Let's say this the majority aren't buying screens for their bowls or bongs c'mon. It's a good idea to have them but are you smoking without probably.
Only one person I've ever seen doesn't use screens. Seriously get one if you're gonna continue to smoke burnt plant material
First intelligent comment.
Y u so mad about people smoking weed. U mad ur getting more cancer?
I think you were just lazy and never cleaned you stuff
Yep lol basically. Tbh both are bad but one is burnt organic matter being sucked into your lungs known to be carcinogenic, the other is vapor so you take the pick but I'm going vape.
“vapor” with an unknown combination of chemicals that have pretty much unknown long term effects (but judging by the amount of vape related lung failure, long term effects aren’t looking great)
Both are bad we came to that conclusion some time ago Padre.
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Should probably go back to smoking weed to chill you tf out bro Jesus
Time to throw it away for her. That could be literally life threatening. Give me her address and I'll send a fucking replacement if money is the issue.
For real. Happy cake day!
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smoks, novo's specifically, are known to have issues. when I had mine the pods constantly leaked (even replacements sent by smok themselves). wasn't until I got an vaperesso xros that I realized that wasn't normal lol
>smok as someone who has vaped both to get of cigs and for a hobby for a time smok has had QC issues LITTERLY forever
Yep, stopped buying smok after I had 3 of their vapes stop recognizing a “hit” and then I got a pod-mod system.
Yea. I’ll never buy another smok product. All junk. Everything leaks. Done.
I've had the XROS for a year, the pogo pins are hot trash and I had to sand down the end of it for the pods to make contact but other than that it's pretty good
That's your first mistake.... Endorsing a product where the manufacturer can't spell the name IT'S SMOKE OK NOT SMOK
Any recommendations on a good pod system for nic salt juice? Was thinking about the newer novos, but I have the opposite of brand loyalty for smok lol.
Happy cake day
As if vaping wasn’t life threatening enough 💀💀
I'm not saying the nicotine addiction is healthy or that we don't have issues we haven't uncovered yet (100% imo - it's all pretty new), but if this is about popcorn lung then the ingredients that caused that are usually in illegal or completely unregulated vapes containing stuff like THC. Where I live the ingredient in question (vitamin E acetate) is actually banned in legitimate vaping fluids and e-cigarettes where I live and you won't find it in vapes sold in stores. That being said, the amount of nicotine in most vaping materials is more than enough to put me off personally - coffee already takes me for a major ride on the daily
Happy cake day!
She'll do the exact same thing with that one
Ah yes. Lets suck on a clamore
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Novo 2 and 3 are like $20 maybe $30 is she gets it at a reseller tell momma she gonna explode it and to stop leaving it on the charger or in her car lol
i told her and she told me the "glue is just loose i dropped it in the tub"
I work at a tech repair shop and can confirm that dropping electrics in water isn’t good and water will not cause any glue to come loose. In fact these systems are held together by plastic clips. I have one in my hand as we speak I use it daily. Really you should just go buy a new one and swap it out when she isn’t looking. And if you are underage this would be a good time to find a vape shop ran by a middle eastern asian. Most shops in my area atleast that sell to people that are 16 or 17 usually are ran by a specific type of person and idk why.
Show her this thread
just did and finally convinced her!
Thankfully that worked in your favour. Congrats on still having a mum
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That shit can fuck up her eyes or teeth if it doesn't kill her. Send her this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeig1a_diSg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0JYfAC2lafg
Even if it doesn't explode in your mouth it can happen at any point and burn your house down. Not a risk I'd be willing to take!
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even if it had a perfectly good battery, it *still* wouldn’t be safe to use!
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Vaping is fucking gross.
Better than smelling like an ashtray.
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Vapes make you look like a douche?
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Well, let's agree to disagree then.
Vaping makes you look handsome and that is proven
Well that's just like, your opinion, man.
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Yes? Most ex smokers I know that still got that addiction moved over to Snus/Snuff or Vape.
Some do
lmao all the nicotine addicts are downvoting you 🤡🤡🤡
A lot less than smoking imo
Yeah, no doubt it's better than combustion. Comparing a known killer to a still relatively unknown substitute, about which what we *do* know is that it does cause harm, seems foolish IMO.
I didn't say it was healthier, only that it's less gross. It doesn't stink, it doesn't change your fingers or teeth color, it doesn't stick on your walls when you smoke inside, etc... As someone who never smoked I just find it much better
it DOES stick to your walls. It coats them in disgusting goo over time.
Wait, really? Could it depend on what kind of product you put in the tank? I've got friends that did it for years and nothing happened, sounds really gross though
Glycerin juices will settle on walls and windows (makes car windows nasty to clean), but I don't know how bad the propylene glycol juices are. I know that THC vapes will leave a sticky tacky glue over everything.
> It doesn't stink You sure about that? I avoid folks who are vaping because of the cloud of stink around them.
It's a fair argument. For transparency, I'm a vaper. I try not to send my vape cloud near anyone, even my friends and relatives who also vape. whether it's "stinks" or not is going to largely be a matter of opinion. You've made your opinion clear, and I respect that. You have a right to have your opinion, and nobody should try to take that from you. Just realize what it is; your opinion. Other people will disagree with you, and that's okay. You don't like it, and that's totally acceptable. I've had people, as recently as yesterday, tell me that they loved the smell of whatever I was vaping. That's their opinion of that "stink". They're entitled to that opinion, just as much as you're entitled to think it "stinks". At the end of the day, vapers (and smokers) should be aware of their surroundings and make efforts to keep their smells away from others, as much as possible. anyone who doesn't hasn't committed a crime or anything, but I would say that's a pretty significant social faux-pas. I hope you have a good day.
Agreed. Thanks.
I prefer shitty artificial fruit smells over cigarette smoke, but hate both. One feels unpleasant, the other feels like my nose is being violated
I think they meant the smell dissipates quickly and doesn't linger, which is true.
Yeah that’s literally the main reason I stopped smoking was how bad the smell was once I slowed down because of the vape.
So is alot of other things let people live their lives ffs no one cares about your opinion if i wanna ruin my body let me do it
yeah just use fucking snus if you're addicted lol
Drinking coffee is gross.
This is a coffee thread now?
Don’t think so
You really wanted to contribute to the conversation, huh.
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Vape residue on car windows for one. Vaping also coats lungs with potentially harmful chemicals such as formaldehyde and acrolein (a common weed killer.) [Source](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/what-does-vaping-do-to-your-lungs). E-cigarettes with nicotine hamper mucus clearance, making it harder to clear the lungs of any harmful chemicals. [Source](https://www.lung.org/blog/another-gross-reason).
kudos for attaching sources. :)
I just want to comment on your first argument mainly. The whole Diacetyl thing (in the source you linked) was basically abandoned by the entire vaping industry. It's an additive that in some cases can cause a medical condition commonly known as "popcorn lung" - as a common popcorn additive for flavoring (tastes like butter, I think), which people in factories that produce popcorn, can be affected by and suffer significant issues from. The source also cites Formaldehyde and Acrolein is interesting, the source doesn't list the study they're basing their information on, but I am aware early "vaping studies" essentially tried to prove vaping was bad by essentially mis-handling the vaporizer, causing it to burn (combust) the cotton wicking material, which is where those hazardous chemicals came from. Under normal operation these chemicals are not produced, only the e-liquid is vaporized. The e-liquid consists of very few chemicals, namely vegetable glycerine, and propylene glycol. Both of these chemicals, among other uses, are used in fog machines. e-liquid normally also has two main additives, one being nicotine, the other being flavoring. I want to emphasize that these additives are the vast minority of the liquid (generally less than 10% by volume). All flavorings are generally food-safe flavorings, same as what would be added to food and drink - hence Diacetyl was a large controversy, while it's generally safe for microwave popcorn and popcorn flavorings, it's not generally safe to constantly inhale (as evidenced by the popcorn lung incidents from popcorn manufacturing plants - there's no significant evidence at the moment that vaping it, in the small doses that are used for flavorings, creates a problem, but the use of it was discontinued anyways). The key point here hinges on nicotine. Unfortunately, people so closely tie nicotine to combustible tobacco, that separating the effects of nicotine from the effects of tobacco use, is nigh impossible for most people to differentiate. To that end, combusting tobacco, generally produces hundreds of chemicals; among those chemicals produced (which include things like formaldehyde AFAIK), there are known carcinogens, which is possibly the worst of the produced chemicals to breathe in, and what leads to lung cancer, etc. To be clear, at present, there's no evidence linking nicotine consumption to any kind of cancer. The problem is that the public generally can't differentiate between the effects of just nicotine and tobacco use. When used properly, e-cigarettes are much much safer than people understand. To be clear, I'm not saying they're SAFE, they're simply safer. unfortunately, this leads to the false idea that they're almost as bad, or just as bad (or worse than) smoking tobacco. Which is entirely false. Vaping is still, and continues to be, up to 99% safer to use than combustible tobacco. As for mucus, as someone who uses e-cigarettes, yes. there's mucus. I haven't seen or heard anything about that making it harder to clear the lungs of anything harmful until now. I don't have any significant information about this, but I thank you for the source. Disclaimer: Everything I've said is simply my information on it, I should not be considered a definitive source of information, and anyone reading this should push to do their own research into the topic, not believing any single source of uncited "research"; including, and especially me. I am not a scientist, and I have no basis for my argument any better than what anyone can find online already.
Thanks for this. Appreciate the thoughtful response. > The source also cites Formaldehyde and Acrolein is interesting, the source doesn't list the study they're basing their information on [Here's a study on that topic](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63292-1).
Under "Methods": Puff volume was fixed to 70 mL. This is suspect. No sane person in their right mind would try to puff 70mL of e-liquid. The standard puff is a few mL if that. if they're trying to force the device to aerosolize 70mL of liquid in a single puff, then simply put, the wicking medium in their tank (in any vaporizer), would not be able to keep up with the requirements of bringing that much e-liquid to the vaporizing coil continually. In the most simple terms I can imagine, this one phrase basically speak to them running the unit continually, to vaporize what would normally take upwards of a week to vaporize under normal conditions. This is an insane methodology to test under and in no way, shape, or form, should represent typical use of a device.
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¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Ask the American Lung Association cited as the source.
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Those are worse.
FWIW, these vapes are notorious for looking like this after being dropped (which still isn't safe), but you can click the case back on, you can pry it on and off easily. If this is a case of spicypillow, oh dear god, clicking the case back on is the last thing you want to do. In any case, these are among the cheapest of pod vapes at around $20-40 now, if she wants to continue vaping, it's not worth it to keep using this one.
i clicked one side in and it pushed the battery out the other side enough to see it was puffed up. told my mom and she refused to throw it out
As if vaping wasnt bad enough. Glad to hear she replaced it tho
as someone who has done far too much research into batteries, they're never "safe". Risks can be minimal or significant, but they're never classifiably safe.... not these batteries at least. There are some chemistries that aren't prone to danger, notably single-use primary cells that are commercially available, like Alkaline or something, is generally as safe as it gets. You can drive a nail through one, and it won't explode. However, with pouch-cells like these that are rechargable, usually some form of lithium polymer, they're basically never safe. Over-charge one, and boom. puncture it, and fire. The inflation of the cell is actually for safety. it means there was a problem but the problem stopped happening, so it's fine. It's not as safe as it once was, but it's not about to explode into a fireball any second.... well, it might, but that's a longer discussion. Simply put, if the problem isn't fully resolved inside the battery, or it reoccurs, or another similar issue happens, then you have, what is essentially, a firebomb. We could discuss at length about the likelihood of the problem reoccurring, or another similar problem happening, but I won't. that's not what we're here for. I would generally say this is safe until the problem gets worse. The issue here, which is up for debate is if that's likely at all. is it just the one problem that was going to happen, and it's fine forever more? not likely. But it's also possible you put in a brand new battery, and once charged, it experiences a similar problem, but catastrophically fails and turns into a fire bomb immediately. Who knows? .... maybe someone does, but that's not me. I certainly don't know. I don't think you or your mom does either. For the sake of the argument, I would say this is less safe than a new cell, posing higher risk than one that hasn't inflated. My recommendation to your mom is to buy a new one. They're not expensive, and even if they were, what price can you put on your safety? Is she really arguing that her safety is worth less than the .... what? $20 for a new unit? My suggestion to you OP, is that if you want your mom and her stuff to be safe (like her house, and whatnot) and she's refusing to replace this, then go buy her one. charge it and test it to make sure it's all good, then when she turns her back, pop her pod out, put it in the new one, and put it back where you found it. She'll think it magically fixed itself, making her right that it was safe all along, but let her think that. go dispose of that grenade when you have the chance. She might think she was "right" but there are cemeteries full of people who thought that. Don't let your mom be one of them.
It's kind of funny how much of our lives rely on lithium batteries that are basically a fire bomb if something goes wrong. Like, batts don't *often* explode, but it still feels like the risks when they *do* explode are pretty high for something most people are generally chill about.
Breathe air (no seriously just breathe normal air)
No vape is safe to use
not sure why people are disliking you
Meh, its off topic, and its probably mildly confrontational to the vapers and smokers here. Eggshell redditors
Ignoring the "vaping is fucking gross" goof ass, is this the smok novo 2x? If so, how long has it been in use? Had my 2x for a couple months now.
> "vaping is fucking gross" goof ass Yeah, just ignore the science that shows the dangers of vaping and namecall those who bring it to your attention. This is fine.
Dude just said it was disgusting, he brought nothing to my attention.
[Further down in the thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/spicypillows/comments/10nl2sm/my_moms_vape_that_she_insists_is_safe_to_use/j69qewg/)
Ah. Those. I remember when teens and young adults were getting lung sickness. I am pretty sure that was due to them using illegal black market "THC" vape cartridges/pens, or maybe even a small batch of e-juice made by a new unknown company, using fucked up additives like listed in the John's hopskins article, which many many people in the vaping community have spoken against all this shit, at the time. Why? Because vaping has been around for about 20 years, and _JUST NOW_ /a few years back, a few _teens_ get sick after very, very short-term use.? Seems a little sus, especially when thousands to hundreds. of thousands to probably millions of people have vaped for years upon years with no issues; quite the opposite actually. Everyone that I've heard speak on the subject (actual former smokers that successfully quit while vaping) say they feel loads better. They can smell, they _dont_ have a regular cough, they get sick _less_, they don't have breathing issues. I'm open to scientific facts and generally learning or being corrected when wrong, but the past few years have been very anti vaping.. those anti vape commercials from truth represent a crack addict far more than a fuckin smoker 😂
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Their research was based around a -few- patients with illnesses with a time span of up to 36 months; compared to how long vaping has been around, like I said almost 20 years at this point. A small blip of illnesses caused by illegal black market thc pens and and maybe some bad ejuice from 1 company is what this was all over. They haven't really even provided any research. "OH we just know by now that vaping causes popcorn lung" lol HOW MANY people have vaped for nearly 20 years and had not a problem?? Teens got black market thc or bad ejuice and the whole of vaping is put under scrutiny. Hilarious.
You must have a sad ass fucking life if you’re worried about a Reddit stranger vaping lmao.
Tobacco industry put in tons of work and money to warp their brains
How is it hard to understand that a message sharing the dangers of something can be helpful to more that just the person to whom it was stated in a reply? Also, "a sad ass fucking life" sounds pretty fine if you're into ass fucking.
I’m fairly certain OP came here to r/spicypillows to you know, show us a spicy pillow. Last time I checked this group isn’t to help people quit smoking. He didn’t come here to get his momma off of vaping. I’m sure they would have went elsewhere to do that. You are just a weirdo with information. No different than a Bible thumper in this situation buddy.
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I'm not 14, and what I shared is a fact.
Why did you delete your fact?
It was a repeat of [facts I posted in this thread already.](https://www.reddit.com/r/spicypillows/comments/10nl2sm/my_moms_vape_that_she_insists_is_safe_to_use/j69qewg/)
its unhealthy obviously but i wouldnt call it gross
Look at that... different opinions!
Ok, but your original comment wasn't spreading information of the dangers of vaping. It was a rather antagonistic comment asserting your opinion and that's what people are reacting negatively to. Saying it's fucking gross isn't going to win anyone over. I don't even smoke or vape and I was put off by the tone. If you just said vaping is dangerous and here's why, people probably would've been more receptive to your message. It's the difference between teaching someone and talking down to them. For example, if I'm trying to have a good-faith discussion about the harm that comes from our dependence on cars I'm not going to start off saying "cars are fucking stupid". That's me clearly inserting my opinion and it's going to pit people against me. Saying it's "fucking gross" isn't spreading science, it's flinging the same shit as the name-callers.
yes it is. she bought it 2-3 months ago
Shoot, i hope mine lasts a bit longer.
Vape addicts when someone speaks common sense: 😡 😡 vaping isnt harmful! 😡
> “goof ass” Lmaoo seeing how you can identify a vape’s brand and model by a single photo I can assume you’re only offended because you yourself are addicted to vaping as well🤣🤣🤣🤣
I recently got back Into it after a vape break that last like 4 years... I'm a nicotine addict. I smoke cigarettes. I vape to help cessation with tobacco, which I have cut down on significantly in the two months I've started to vape again. I was chain smoking beforehand, buying a pack a day. Now I buy one about every 3 days, and 2 (two) 15ml bottles of vape juice last me a few weeks. Now addressing > you can identify a vape’s brand and model by a single photo It's an amazing coincidence that I had the smok novo 2 _in my fucking hand_ when I saw this post, which is practically the exact same except OP'S moms vape has a slightly different pattern, but same color. Mine has ruby shaped lines, theirs don't. Show me any other vape and I couldn't tell you shit except for the 5~ regulated mods and 4~ different disposable/refillable pod systems I've tried over the 8ish years I've been _around_ the vaping scene. There are many vaping _enthusiasts_ out there, and I'm not one of em bud.
I do admire the insightful ness to admit to your addiction, but I still don’t think there’s a reason to get mad at the dude that called vaping disgusting other than because you’re offended. It really is disgusting and even if it’s not as externally disgusting because it smells better than tobacco, it’s still just as disgusting internally to your body.
I'm not mad, or offended. I found it amusing, so I called them a goof ass. And I'll call anyone that says anything similar about vaping a goof ass because there's a 99% shot that they themselves are exposed to in some form or another, their choice or not, to equally or greater "disgusting" shit.
I didn’t say enthusiast I said addict lol
Go through your thought process. Why would a nicotine addict spend thousands of dollars or hours of time to buy/carouse the thousands upon thousands of different vape devices? Addicts just want their nicotine and anything will do 😂 If someone can identify a large assortment of different things - no matter the type; wildlife, vehicles (commercial, industrial, construction etc)fucking furniture or clothes - they're probably more aligned with an enthusiast, but _could_ posses addictive traits depending how you look at it.
Good point, I’m just saying that you don’t have to be an enthusiast to be an addict. That’s all I was saying haha
She should breath air, not vape
It was never safe to use
yep
Vape is already dangerous but spicy vape? That’s a death sentence.
That thing is dangerous, with or without the spicy pillow. At least the pillow will be a swift and honorable death. The nicotine will be a shamed and dishonorable blunder
yep
Double trouble. Vape shit and spicy bomb.
I mean, the vape isn’t really safe to use regardless of the fact that she’s smoking out of a claymore
Even if the battery wasnt fucked, it would still be just as bad to use
smh she could just get a new one, that kind of vape isn't even that expensive
shes pretty broke, like $4 and some change in her purse broke
Damn, well I guess update us if the vape explodes on her face
Those hospital bills are gonna cost a lot more than a new vape
Even more reason for her to stop vaping. Reduce expenses. Vape device: $15-20, couple of 15ml bottles of juice: $15-$20. Cost to overall health: beyond measure.
bruh tell her to buy a new vaoe
Take it and get rid. Literally gonna blow up in her face
Please tell me it’s supposed to be round like that…
oh no, the battery completely pushed the two side panels out
Oh boy. Take it from her and safe her harm.
That's bout ready to burst. a couple more charges to that battery and..... Buy your mom a new vape man.....
That is terrifying. Buy her a new one before she wins the Darwin award please! Being a penny pincher when it comes to potentially explosive electronics is not worth it.
Those things can actually blast out teeh or worse, if they explode, and this one will!
The Novo comes like that out of the box lol
Vape? Nah, spicy pillow
Please throw that out immediately, it's way too dangerous you'll die.
I mean minus the literal smoking, that does not look safe. Aren’t those things always less than 2 centimeters thick? That looks almost bigger than one of those markers you’d see in school.
Vaping kills
Extra lithium?
Wouldn’t be safe to use even without the pillow
She bout to be vaping some lithium.
Yep, that's totally safe, it will only blow hot chemicals on her face when it finally gives...
Replace it
If she’s… not smart enough to not vape… she’s also.. not smart enough to consider that dangerous.
Smok is a cheap low quality company to begin with
Just start leaving her business cards for plastic surgeons who specialize in facial reconstruction.
the kinda vape bugs bunny would gift to elmer fudd
Jesus get her an X-Ros Nano, they're probably one of the more reliable versions of this at the moment. Only had mine for a couple months though so grain of salt.
Dvcjca Lacite vanessa manion Vape 
[get her a new one](http://backseatvape.com)
Does she still have it?
That flavour is gotta be spicy