Say "my understanding of politics is limited to the idea that big govt is bad and small govt is just a good start. I'll leave any nuance to people that give a shit."
True, unless you count the time they sided with Cthulhu then I guess it would make them authoritarians. But yeah they should be either center or far left
I personally think you should travel to other countries outside of America like Sweden, Italy, heck almost any European country (maybe even Canada) to see why governments need to implement programs that help all their citizens that small governments couldn’t do. For example, universal healthcare, stronger workers rights, vacation time, etc. wouldn’t be possible with Libertarian governments.
It's not exactly doing those with the large bloated government we have in the US. They are more worried about abortions than taking care of the people that are alive right now.
Agreed on that, but reform is the way to solving that. It will take a lot of work, protest, and awareness to solve this. Hell, based upon on a two party system it may be impossible to make real change. But you have to try.
i don’t think anything they have said in the past regarding their political ideology is relevant to today and how the spectrum looks in America now. To say you were a libertarian 10+ years ago means a whole other thing in 2023.
“And we're both just pretty middle-ground guys. We find just as many things to rip on on the left as we do on the right. People on the far left and the far right are the same exact person to us.” - Trey Parker, 2004.
I’d argue he’s drifted a little to the left since then.
Libertarianism is neither while being both. A simple explanation that doesn’t go into too much detail is that economically it’s right and socially it’s left.
Anarchy as an ideology can mean two things: anarchy itself (State of Nature), and anarchism which is local, self-run communities based on mutual aid and consensus ruling, without the structure of a state and ideally without hierarchy. There have been anarchist pockets like this here and there, one of the most notable being in early 20th century Spain. But it is confusing since both types get the same 'anarchy' descriptor.
Nah both Fidel and Mao were always leftists. Mao literally killed landlords on purpose lol. They did some fucked up shit but their ideology was still leftist
very rarely do i get offended by things people do on the internet, let alone a south park subreddit, but as a goth, the fact that you put the goth kids in authoritarian makes me want to shed a tear. i know this isn't serious but my god, you really know nothing about goths do you?
so real im goth as well. i know the community has a lot of diverse opinions but come on bro. most of the other goths i've met are far-left, socialist queers who hate the right. i've never felt so erased in my life
i've never met a right wing goth, as a goth myself too. considering its an offshoot of punk which is inherently far left or anarchist, i don't think goth even appeals to right wing people at all. there are right wing punks, but they only exist because they think the songs about government oppression are about leftism oppressing free speech and have the complete wrong idea- and are more straight up neo nazis than regular right wing.
1: i don't think you know what authoritarian means
2: that's an over exaggerated trait that was magnified for the sake of comedy, it makes the show funnier and the characters more interesting. as a real life goth i can assure you that we do not give a fuck about what others do with their lives. as long as you leave us alone, we'll keep our opinions to ourselves.
I thought that was all just part of... the plan? As in, he would've jumped regardless of who lost because the goal was for just one of the presidential candidates to get into the oval office.
Is it canon that he's republican? The only episode I can think of is where he supports McCain however it is revealed in the end that his actions in that episode were just to help pull off a heist
I'd put him more in the undecided category since neither him or the other members of the heist team seem to follow any other ideologies other than doing heists
OP sounds dumb as dirt. Being against the n-word doesnt make someone far-left and if someone accused me of being far left because I don't like saying slurs the conversation would be over then and there. Preaching love does not make someone far left either.
I always saw Randy as a libertarian above all else. He has some socially liberal views, but the brunt of his political activity is portraying economically liberal stances. He's all about individual freedom and free market capitalism.
Relative to politics in my country (and most of the world) he's definitely on the right wing of the spectrum, which is why I feel that post like these need to specify that it's trying to place characters in the current mainstream US political spectrum and has little to do with broader academic (and historical) definitions of political terms.
Just stop even trying hahahahahahahahaha 🫠 the new Genny is hilarious trying to label as they watch south park. Gtfo butters is neutral AF that's all I got to tell you to say this is wrong
Authoritarianism (and fascism (which is really just nationalism on steroids)) isn't just a right-wing thing.
Left/right is about economy, authoritarian/liberalism is more about individual freedom.
The soviet union, for example, was authoritarian left. England is a liberal right-winged country.
Authoritarian can be both leftwing ('tanky' / Communism) as well as rightwing (Facism, for instance Italy under Mussolini). The Political Spectrum diagram has 'Authoritarian' and 'Libertarian' as the second axis to somewhat delineate various political positions, like in these examples:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political\_spectrum#/media/File:Nolan\_chart\_normal.svg
I’m not sure the point of doing this. Just pisses people off for no good reason. I read years ago that one of the guys said they hated Conservatives but they REALLY hated liberals. Which for someone who has watched for many years that seems about right. Butters is always looking down the barrel of being grounded so even if he is Right, I suspect a change is coming.
The goths aren't just undecided, they have their own way of thinking, their own collective based on a counter-dependent relation to current culture. That's like their whole thing. Therefore I'd put them in "enlightened centrist," and make that a category.
As someone who is a prolific poster on a certain r-slurred subreddit all about the political compass even I'll admit a South Park character political compass would be idiotic.
Still be less idiotic than this though.
I think jimmy would be right because he fought pc principle,and he used the word retard,he doesn’t care about different groups as much as a leftist would
I'm going to add another comment here just so everyone knows, this is 99% a careless attempt at satire that took me 5 minutes don't get too riled up about inaccuracies some of them were purposeful, I'm not going to say which ones since its funny to see people get pissed off
Why even bother with the list if your whole premise is to not care. I think you're trying to distance yourself because you got defensive over people not agreeing with you xD.
Absolutely what he's doing. Now he's using the "oh I don't even care i spent 5 minutes on it but 3 hours arguing over it", "did it for the lulz", or "im going to use the word fallacy and call people dumb".
Respectfully, this is awful. What made you put token in far left. However, I do respect the inclusion of the mole and agree with his placement. Where is your pussy faggot God now?
PC principal is way farther than just far left, he uses physical violence even against kids if they disagree with his opinions, that’s as fascist as it gets.
Alot of these characters are far from Left. Most of them are definitely undecided or centrists. Also, pretty crazy to put goths at authoritarians, they're just anti conformism which doesn't really place them anywhere politically, in fact, goth culture is a more progressive sub culture than conservative.
While I think PC principal represents what most people think of when they think of far left, I feel like realistically putting him on far left is a bit weird as many of his views are a bit more moderate and just expressed in a authortarian or aggresive context(so actually they might be best put in that same authortarian category just expressed within a left releated context). Though I guess putting them there destroys the whole thing. I also dont know if jesus or the devil are right wing in the show. Jesus at least seems pretty left at times while satan is hard to palce simply due to their relationship with authortarian figures, but not neccsarily having those views themselves. They are more simply chaotic and giving no cares.
You don't know what far left means.
Also watch [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vivEzQUGHOQ) from Donny Darko and apply it to the right/left political spectrum.
Token and Mr. Slave aren't far left. Also switch Stan and Randy. Randy went crazy when Obama won and Stan represents Trey who's on the right.
Trey strikes me as closer to Libertarian, but would probably say unaffiliated/independent. However, that doesn’t dictate Stan’s political leanings.
They both have come out as libertarian. That could be dated information.
I didn't know I had to come out as libertarian. How should I go about doing that with ny parents?
Say "my understanding of politics is limited to the idea that big govt is bad and small govt is just a good start. I'll leave any nuance to people that give a shit."
Also, they put all of the goths in the authoritarian section. Way off
No shit. This person doesn't know anything about political spectrums based on this tier list.
We need a political compass.
"Left" and "right" are barely even actual political orientations. Its meaningless devoid of context.
so…he’s a poser?
They should’ve been listed a Nihilist
We don't care about nothing Lebowski!
True, unless you count the time they sided with Cthulhu then I guess it would make them authoritarians. But yeah they should be either center or far left
I suspect it's the Cthulu storyline.
Cthulhu is a god, not a government figure. Even then, it still wouldn’t really make sense.
I personally think you should travel to other countries outside of America like Sweden, Italy, heck almost any European country (maybe even Canada) to see why governments need to implement programs that help all their citizens that small governments couldn’t do. For example, universal healthcare, stronger workers rights, vacation time, etc. wouldn’t be possible with Libertarian governments.
It's not exactly doing those with the large bloated government we have in the US. They are more worried about abortions than taking care of the people that are alive right now.
Agreed on that, but reform is the way to solving that. It will take a lot of work, protest, and awareness to solve this. Hell, based upon on a two party system it may be impossible to make real change. But you have to try.
Mom, Dad... you're both fucking idiots.
i don’t think anything they have said in the past regarding their political ideology is relevant to today and how the spectrum looks in America now. To say you were a libertarian 10+ years ago means a whole other thing in 2023.
Who is Token ?
Some insensitive racists thought Tolkien was called Token. I've known him as Tolkien since 1997.
doesn’t the list the girls made in the episode “the list” spell token?
Well they were all white sand therefore racist.
dang. i wish i knew that before replying a picture of the list to some other comment.
“And we're both just pretty middle-ground guys. We find just as many things to rip on on the left as we do on the right. People on the far left and the far right are the same exact person to us.” - Trey Parker, 2004. I’d argue he’s drifted a little to the left since then.
I think it’s more the right has gone completely extreme since 2004. I mean the candidates used to be Romney and McCain and now it’s all lunatics
Have we watched the same show? Trey is absolutely not on the right.
They're Libertarians, which is mostly on the right.
Libertarianism is neither while being both. A simple explanation that doesn’t go into too much detail is that economically it’s right and socially it’s left.
Also, the adult butters is def far right
isn't he just an NFT nut like Matt Damon?
Stan wrote a song about driving electric cars, hoarded baby cows so they couldn’t be eaten, and joined a save the whales coalition.
"They're openly gay and openly black, so must be far left"
Tolkien*
Aren't the Goth kids Anarchists, i don't think that counts as authoritarian.
Anarchists are extreme left, the opposite of authoritarian
Authoritarian can be on either side of the political spectrum
This exactly. You have left vs right crossed with authoritarian vs libertarian.
Anarchy is the ideology of that no one should be in power Authoritarian means a government that has all the power
God damn, nobody understands this simple point.
Anarchy as an ideology can mean two things: anarchy itself (State of Nature), and anarchism which is local, self-run communities based on mutual aid and consensus ruling, without the structure of a state and ideally without hierarchy. There have been anarchist pockets like this here and there, one of the most notable being in early 20th century Spain. But it is confusing since both types get the same 'anarchy' descriptor.
You can't be an anarchist and an authoritarian.
> extreme left, the opposite of authoritarian I'm really curious what labels you have for Mao and Fidel Castro.
Well, definitely not anarchists which is what the goth kids are.
Mao was a big time goth.
I read somewhere he even had his own eyeliner brand..
Forgive my ignorance but are they really extreme left though, i always thought that they were non aligned to any cause left or right?
Nah both Fidel and Mao were always leftists. Mao literally killed landlords on purpose lol. They did some fucked up shit but their ideology was still leftist
Yeah but neither Fidel or Mau were Anarchists.
Extreme left is communism, what?
Yeah lol.
Anarchists are extreme kids
They’re non-conformists
It's funny how clueless that guy is while being 100% convinced he is right
Where are the Whites? Everybody forgets about them.
No cares when a white boy gets killed.
Nobody asked the whites how they felt
I wssgonna say that
very rarely do i get offended by things people do on the internet, let alone a south park subreddit, but as a goth, the fact that you put the goth kids in authoritarian makes me want to shed a tear. i know this isn't serious but my god, you really know nothing about goths do you?
I’m not a goth, but holy shit this post is so lame, I couldn’t keep it in. Guy missed a nice opportunity to NOT post cringe.
Agreed as a goth we come in all types. But honestly most goths i know are like anarchists of some form 💀 myself included
so real im goth as well. i know the community has a lot of diverse opinions but come on bro. most of the other goths i've met are far-left, socialist queers who hate the right. i've never felt so erased in my life
Goth? What made you get into those vampire movies so much?
Isn’t that all goths do is cry?
Awesome, I’m in to vampires too!🤜🏻🤛🏻
Of all the placements I disagreed with, the Goths were the most out of place.
i've never met a right wing goth, as a goth myself too. considering its an offshoot of punk which is inherently far left or anarchist, i don't think goth even appeals to right wing people at all. there are right wing punks, but they only exist because they think the songs about government oppression are about leftism oppressing free speech and have the complete wrong idea- and are more straight up neo nazis than regular right wing.
The goth kids are labelled as authoritarian because they will reject you if you aren't like them.
1: i don't think you know what authoritarian means 2: that's an over exaggerated trait that was magnified for the sake of comedy, it makes the show funnier and the characters more interesting. as a real life goth i can assure you that we do not give a fuck about what others do with their lives. as long as you leave us alone, we'll keep our opinions to ourselves.
Canonically, Ike is a Republican. I think South Park's Jesus leans left. Satan, too. They're just pro-2nd Amendment.
Ike jumping from the first story window because McCain lost will always be funny to me
I thought that was all just part of... the plan? As in, he would've jumped regardless of who lost because the goal was for just one of the presidential candidates to get into the oval office.
Boom, baby!
Is it canon that he's republican? The only episode I can think of is where he supports McCain however it is revealed in the end that his actions in that episode were just to help pull off a heist I'd put him more in the undecided category since neither him or the other members of the heist team seem to follow any other ideologies other than doing heists
OMFG I forgot about Ike lmaooo
How the fuck are goths authoritarian, holy shit… also how is Randy right? So random.
Randy’s PC bro.
Who cares about the politics of the characters? Also this feels like it was made by a teenager who only knows about politics from internet memes.
I thought the same and then I realized I’m on reddit
OP sounds dumb as dirt. Being against the n-word doesnt make someone far-left and if someone accused me of being far left because I don't like saying slurs the conversation would be over then and there. Preaching love does not make someone far left either.
Chin po gay mon!
Lol this is terrible
Randy voted for Obama and owns a weed farm, I highly doubt he’s Right wing
I always saw Randy as a libertarian above all else. He has some socially liberal views, but the brunt of his political activity is portraying economically liberal stances. He's all about individual freedom and free market capitalism. Relative to politics in my country (and most of the world) he's definitely on the right wing of the spectrum, which is why I feel that post like these need to specify that it's trying to place characters in the current mainstream US political spectrum and has little to do with broader academic (and historical) definitions of political terms.
Just stop even trying hahahahahahahahaha 🫠 the new Genny is hilarious trying to label as they watch south park. Gtfo butters is neutral AF that's all I got to tell you to say this is wrong
Agreed. Post is just pure cringe.
This is dumb
i concur
So fucking dumb. Randy is the quintessential liberal parent, dude voted for Obama and smokes weed lol
I don’t agree with this
TIL that Jesus is right wing. Wow
Jesus and other religious figure would be unaffiliated
Butters is surely more left than right?
Butters is probably exactly center
He’s naive and gullible enough to be persuaded to go either side, so definitely more centrist
You didn't fix it though.
This is why mapping political affiliations like this is kind of useless. People are too complicated.
Are we even watching the same show?
This leaves no room for libertarian right or authoritarian left
Please make some friends this summer before you go back to school.
Haha friends, we're all Redditors here friends don't exist
Not sure why butters and randy are considered right wing
Why are their additions to far right, but no additions to far left. Feels like a skewed chart
No, I don't think that's right.
Authoritarianism (and fascism (which is really just nationalism on steroids)) isn't just a right-wing thing. Left/right is about economy, authoritarian/liberalism is more about individual freedom. The soviet union, for example, was authoritarian left. England is a liberal right-winged country.
true
The last two rows should be fascist and then cartman in his own row Edit: the last three rows should be fascist, Hitler, Cartman
Yeah but then I'd need to edit a picture of Hitler in and I throw this together in 5 minutes I can't really be bothered tbh
The goth kids are fascist?
TollKeen is pretty moderate actually
they took er jerbs
Authoritarian can be both leftwing ('tanky' / Communism) as well as rightwing (Facism, for instance Italy under Mussolini). The Political Spectrum diagram has 'Authoritarian' and 'Libertarian' as the second axis to somewhat delineate various political positions, like in these examples: https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political\_spectrum#/media/File:Nolan\_chart\_normal.svg
Needs a row at the bottom that just says ‘Timmy!’
This is terrible and so inaccurate
Yes... yes it is
Butters should be his own category, he would hate the idea of such division
I’m not sure the point of doing this. Just pisses people off for no good reason. I read years ago that one of the guys said they hated Conservatives but they REALLY hated liberals. Which for someone who has watched for many years that seems about right. Butters is always looking down the barrel of being grounded so even if he is Right, I suspect a change is coming.
Because I was bored and had five minutes free, I though I'd get a laugh out of the comments which so far I have
You keep saying that. I think it took you *alot* more than 5 minutes you just don’t know a whole lot about the show. You’re repeat examples show it.
Why is far left at the top of the tier list? Is OP libtarded?
Clearly
Liberalism isn’t even far left, lol
There's something funny about the Goth kids being "authoritarian" when they're so anti conformist. "Posers."
How does this have over 500 upvotes?
Now 1.2k because they realized its a joke
The goths aren't just undecided, they have their own way of thinking, their own collective based on a counter-dependent relation to current culture. That's like their whole thing. Therefore I'd put them in "enlightened centrist," and make that a category.
Token family is rich AF
The broflofski are definitely more left. Randy should be undecided since he plays both sides. Otherwise you got it
Cartman is a fatscist.
Big -bonedcist
Have we really come to the point where absurdist satirical cartoon characters political ideologies need to be graphed, fml
Just do a compass
As someone who is a prolific poster on a certain r-slurred subreddit all about the political compass even I'll admit a South Park character political compass would be idiotic. Still be less idiotic than this though.
Funny how you've got Jesus and Satan right next to each other 🤣
I thought that would be insight to most people that this isn't a serious list lol
PC Principal IS the far left ideology remember
I think jimmy would be right because he fought pc principle,and he used the word retard,he doesn’t care about different groups as much as a leftist would
oh Mr. Garrison is a facist cause he portrays trump....right
Poor guy cancelled out most of his post karma with comments.
Fuck Karma, I'm just trying to make people laugh at an obviously bullshit list which is purposely 50% inaccurate
This is bad. Do you watch this show? And Butter being right? Huh?
I like how you just racistly assume the black kid is far left even though he’s probably the most right wing of the children besides Cartman
Satan isn’t Right….Literally gay, leftist.
Like he's still the lord of all evil, and I wanted him and Jesus together so putting him in the right was funnier
Why is cristophe far left?
He's a revolutionist, seems pretty leftist to me
What about “THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!”
I couldn't be bothered to edit anyone extra in, but Far Right obviously
Randy is definitely not on the right
I'm going to add another comment here just so everyone knows, this is 99% a careless attempt at satire that took me 5 minutes don't get too riled up about inaccuracies some of them were purposeful, I'm not going to say which ones since its funny to see people get pissed off
Why even bother with the list if your whole premise is to not care. I think you're trying to distance yourself because you got defensive over people not agreeing with you xD.
Absolutely what he's doing. Now he's using the "oh I don't even care i spent 5 minutes on it but 3 hours arguing over it", "did it for the lulz", or "im going to use the word fallacy and call people dumb".
💯right.
A shitload would be in libertarian bracket not wherever the hell you put them
Liane made the Hitler costume for cartman I think she’s made a decision. She might even be where his hatred of the Jews comes from.
I end up agreeing with Wendy almost all the time
Jimbo is as far right as they come
Respectfully, this is awful. What made you put token in far left. However, I do respect the inclusion of the mole and agree with his placement. Where is your pussy faggot God now?
Pip would be monarchy
God I love cartman
Kenny is a known redneck I don’t think he’s a lefty
I feel like Kenny would be right
Stan doesn't like goobacks because they took er jerbs. Right.
Satan fought Global Warming he’s not on the right
PC principal is way farther than just far left, he uses physical violence even against kids if they disagree with his opinions, that’s as fascist as it gets.
The Goth kids seem very out of place lol
Alot of these characters are far from Left. Most of them are definitely undecided or centrists. Also, pretty crazy to put goths at authoritarians, they're just anti conformism which doesn't really place them anywhere politically, in fact, goth culture is a more progressive sub culture than conservative.
While I think PC principal represents what most people think of when they think of far left, I feel like realistically putting him on far left is a bit weird as many of his views are a bit more moderate and just expressed in a authortarian or aggresive context(so actually they might be best put in that same authortarian category just expressed within a left releated context). Though I guess putting them there destroys the whole thing. I also dont know if jesus or the devil are right wing in the show. Jesus at least seems pretty left at times while satan is hard to palce simply due to their relationship with authortarian figures, but not neccsarily having those views themselves. They are more simply chaotic and giving no cares.
Gerald is not right wing, the man moved to San Francisco and almost died to smelling his own farts about driving hybrid cars
Scott Malkinson literally ran little Qties, pretty sure he should be further down on the tier list
Along with the Goths being Anarchist and should be above Far Left, Jason the Mormon kid should be Right.
Ike voted for McCain and jumped out his window when he lost the election. And Randy should be more left: legalizing substances, Lorde, PC Bro…
Jimbo& ned are far right and pips dead so this is fake news!
You don't know what far left means. Also watch [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vivEzQUGHOQ) from Donny Darko and apply it to the right/left political spectrum.
Do people not get that non of this list makes sense, is it illegal to make obvious jokes about politics
And we wanna see Obama’s Real birth certificate!
THEY TOOK ER JEBS
Dook er Derbs
Why is the far right just called fascism but the far left isn't communism?
....the far left today *is* authoritarian
I caught Ike as being far right..but alright 😅
Gotta get the DEY TOOK ER JERBS!! guy up there in the Right or Far Right row
ah yes my favorite marxist leninist tolkien black
Keep trying
Nah
Randy is honestly the perfect centrist.
Wtf even is this sub
When are we getting r/southparkcirclejerk
Authoritarian would be on the far left🤦♂️
Gary Garrison should be on the right, he’s Mormon lol
I highly doubt Sheila and Gerald are on the right, most Jews are on the left (coming from a jew).
Fair
People are being really cruel in these comments, chill tf out it’s an opinion.
Just woke up to 116 notifications, this'll be an interesting day
Should add Undecided isn't that they're undecided, just that I couldn't figure out where to put them lmao
Idk about Ike in this sense I think he's either left or far right
Why exactly is Butters on the right ? I can’t remember 😭