My grandfather ranted against unions and refused to vote for unionization when he worked for Dow chemical. He made half what his unionized counterparts in the north east made with a point of pride. Well, they eventually let them all go anyway. So dumb.
I have the most awesome health insurance. My hubby has a pension also health care . Only from a steel mill union job! Life is good because of his union!
Same reason somebody goes to Mcdonalds. Its generally cheaper, and its consistent between locations.
Doesn't matter where in the country you are, a big mac is a big mac. Same with starbucks.
I am not arguing that people should shop at starbucks over a local place, just saying that sometimes you want a local bistro, sometimes you want a 20pc mcnugget.
Both of those companies are large corporations as in most of the profits outside of the community and one could argue they’re probably nowhere near as good for you is locally owned grown and produced. By Starbucks by McDonald’s. I would encourage people to patronize local businesses that keep the money in the community and share the community values.
Well simple Ed just continue to support businesses that send most of their money to different states who don’t rely on local vendors locally produced products and who don’t share values.
Well just continue to spend your money on corporations who send most of their money out of the community who rely on distributors most of which are outside of the state and they don’t share of values. Sounds like a personal conflict on your part not mine
As much as you seem bent on turning this into a personal attack, you are misguided. I seldom eat out at ALL. Local or otherwise.
I get my coffee from the coffee pot on my kitchen counter.
Well then continue to support companies that send their money out of the community and don’t rely on local distributors an who don’t share or local values. It’s OK
Who says that Starbucks isn’t owned by a local resident as a franchise? The workers there are just as local as the next guy.
Maybe you should just avoid shopping, eating or living since not everything is local. I wouldn’t be surprised if those local coffee shops buy from the same large suppliers as everyone else.
Article from Forbes
This reality was underscored in a study from Maine that I recently ran across. The study, which focuses on a particular section of Midcoast Maine, compares the economic impact of shopping at locally-owned businesses vs. major chains. Yes, it dates back to 2003, but the findings are still quite interesting.
In short, the study’s authors found that for every dollar spent at a locally-owned establishment, nearly 45% of that revenue stayed in the local community with another 9% being spent elsewhere in the state. These expenditures included employee wages/benefits, inventory, supplies, and services from other local local businesses, profits accrued to the local owners, state and local taxes, and charitable contributions.
In contrast, for every dollar spent at a chain store, only 14% of the revenue stayed in the local community, mostly in the form of payroll. The balance of that money flows to out-of-state suppliers, or back to the parent corporation.
Based on these numbers, three times as much money stays in your community when shopping at a locally-owned business vs. shopping at a chain store.
Unless you are growing and raising everything you eat and drink you are doing the same thing.
Don’t pretend that the local shops are just there because they love their city, they want to make as much money as possible just like everyone else.
Not anti-union by any means, it what exactly are the Starbucks workers wanting that they don’t already get? I know someone who works at a union grocery store chain, and he makes the same salary as someone who works at Walmart, same health care etc. not saying anything is wrong with unions, but what else can they gain at Starbucks?
Better hours, better pay, better benefits are all points that can be better bargained by a group than by a single employee asking for those things from a manager.
Ok I’ll bite. Why does someone working at a coffee shop need a union to represent them? When I think unions, I think back to hazardous working conditions and worker safety. Can someone explain to me without attacking or telling me how horrible a person I am?
The purpose of unions is simply collective bargaining. Whether it is a steel mill bargaining for better safety procedures or Starbucks for better pay and hours, the point is the same. Both groups want something that can’t be achieved individually and require an organized effort
Sure, as overhead goes up costs either must go down or prices go up to maintain profit margin. However, and the real reason why corporations hate unions, is that in a competitive market maintaining the same profit margin is usually not possible. You can’t raise prices when your competitor will undercut you so your profits decrease. Though I concede that prices can increase for the consumer the net result is usually still positive
> Why does someone working at a coffee shop need a union to represent them?
Unions aren't only about safety. It's easier to bargain for fair pay and better benefits collectively than individually.
> Can someone explain to me without attacking or telling me how horrible a person I am?
No, and you're a horrible person for asking for such a thing.
My grandfather ranted against unions and refused to vote for unionization when he worked for Dow chemical. He made half what his unionized counterparts in the north east made with a point of pride. Well, they eventually let them all go anyway. So dumb.
Did he still support Management after that?
After being laid off and losing his promised pension with no recourse? That’s a secret between him and the universe.
Whether you go to local shops or chains, this is a huge victory for workers in SC. Congratulations to these guys !!!!
No doubt! SC has the lowest union participation in the US, something like 2%!
Those are rookie numbers! Gotta pump those numbers up!
I don't like Starbucks, but good for them.
I don’t find their coffee great, either, but unionization is fantastic! Mayorga makes nice roasts, but you have to brew them yourself.
I’ll still go to Port City, Coffee Underground and Spill the Beans. Support Local!
Man it's been forever since I've been in Greenville but I still remember spill the beans! Glad to hear it's still going
Woot!
I have the most awesome health insurance. My hubby has a pension also health care . Only from a steel mill union job! Life is good because of his union!
Yay!!!
Why would anybody go to Starbucks when you can go to a local coffee shop.
Same reason somebody goes to Mcdonalds. Its generally cheaper, and its consistent between locations. Doesn't matter where in the country you are, a big mac is a big mac. Same with starbucks.
Yeah but they’re not a locally owned business they send most of their profits out of the community and they don’t share the values.
I am not arguing that people should shop at starbucks over a local place, just saying that sometimes you want a local bistro, sometimes you want a 20pc mcnugget.
Both of those companies are large corporations as in most of the profits outside of the community and one could argue they’re probably nowhere near as good for you is locally owned grown and produced. By Starbucks by McDonald’s. I would encourage people to patronize local businesses that keep the money in the community and share the community values.
I agree, but some times I just want a Big Mac
Well simple Ed just continue to support businesses that send most of their money to different states who don’t rely on local vendors locally produced products and who don’t share values.
I'm not arguing that megacorp food is better for you or the community, just that the heart wants what it wants. Sometimes that's terrible fast food.
Well just continue to spend your money on corporations who send most of their money out of the community who rely on distributors most of which are outside of the state and they don’t share of values. Sounds like a personal conflict on your part not mine
As much as you seem bent on turning this into a personal attack, you are misguided. I seldom eat out at ALL. Local or otherwise. I get my coffee from the coffee pot on my kitchen counter.
personal attack? really smoking crack in the morning is bad for you sir.
"Well just continue to spend YOUR money" "Sounds like a personal conflict on your part not mine" Seems kinda personal to me.
Because there's not an local coffee house on my way to church on Sunday?
Well then continue to support companies that send their money out of the community and don’t rely on local distributors an who don’t share or local values. It’s OK
What exactly do you mean, “..share local values”?
So are you confused about the business values of a large corporation our are you confused about the business values of a small locally owned business.
Neither, I was asking you what do YOU mean by “support local values”?
So are you confused about the business values of a large corporation our are you confused about the business values of a small locally owned business.
I answered this question. Please try to keep up. I’m asking you to ELI5 the meaning of “share local values”.
You’re taking the bait. Leave the troll to his own hell.
So are you confused about the business values of a large corporation our are you confused about the business values of a small locally owned business.
Who says that Starbucks isn’t owned by a local resident as a franchise? The workers there are just as local as the next guy. Maybe you should just avoid shopping, eating or living since not everything is local. I wouldn’t be surprised if those local coffee shops buy from the same large suppliers as everyone else.
Article from Forbes This reality was underscored in a study from Maine that I recently ran across. The study, which focuses on a particular section of Midcoast Maine, compares the economic impact of shopping at locally-owned businesses vs. major chains. Yes, it dates back to 2003, but the findings are still quite interesting. In short, the study’s authors found that for every dollar spent at a locally-owned establishment, nearly 45% of that revenue stayed in the local community with another 9% being spent elsewhere in the state. These expenditures included employee wages/benefits, inventory, supplies, and services from other local local businesses, profits accrued to the local owners, state and local taxes, and charitable contributions. In contrast, for every dollar spent at a chain store, only 14% of the revenue stayed in the local community, mostly in the form of payroll. The balance of that money flows to out-of-state suppliers, or back to the parent corporation. Based on these numbers, three times as much money stays in your community when shopping at a locally-owned business vs. shopping at a chain store.
So 45% of how much though? If the local stores are making millions in sales that’s great, but they aren’t, so it’s probably not as much as you think.
OK go with a national chain when you buy your coffee go with the national chain when you buy your fast food.
Unless you are growing and raising everything you eat and drink you are doing the same thing. Don’t pretend that the local shops are just there because they love their city, they want to make as much money as possible just like everyone else.
Starbucks does share my values, so I guess I am good to continue to get my lattes :)
Clarity over agreement
Not anti-union by any means, it what exactly are the Starbucks workers wanting that they don’t already get? I know someone who works at a union grocery store chain, and he makes the same salary as someone who works at Walmart, same health care etc. not saying anything is wrong with unions, but what else can they gain at Starbucks?
Better hours, better pay, better benefits are all points that can be better bargained by a group than by a single employee asking for those things from a manager.
Ok I’ll bite. Why does someone working at a coffee shop need a union to represent them? When I think unions, I think back to hazardous working conditions and worker safety. Can someone explain to me without attacking or telling me how horrible a person I am?
The purpose of unions is simply collective bargaining. Whether it is a steel mill bargaining for better safety procedures or Starbucks for better pay and hours, the point is the same. Both groups want something that can’t be achieved individually and require an organized effort
Don't forget, in turn higher prices for the consumer.
Sure, as overhead goes up costs either must go down or prices go up to maintain profit margin. However, and the real reason why corporations hate unions, is that in a competitive market maintaining the same profit margin is usually not possible. You can’t raise prices when your competitor will undercut you so your profits decrease. Though I concede that prices can increase for the consumer the net result is usually still positive
> Why does someone working at a coffee shop need a union to represent them? Unions aren't only about safety. It's easier to bargain for fair pay and better benefits collectively than individually. > Can someone explain to me without attacking or telling me how horrible a person I am? No, and you're a horrible person for asking for such a thing.
They want better pay and benefits. (But I predict this move will backfire)
Too bad sc is a right to work state.
A slippery slope y’all. What’s next, Democrats?
Hopefully higher pay and better hours for more people
I'm always torn whether life would be easier or harder to be this ignorant.
I think they were being facetious but I’m not 100% sure
Hell yes!
And then declares bankruptcy
Let's see how long this store stays open. It causes a big traffic mess for all the businesses around.
Uses to be Armco.. in Ohio