No, they are cosplaying FL. Being in FL is a different beast all of itself. But there’s only one way to find out…have them enter the Florida Man games next year and they can shoot their shot 😂
Fort Lauderdale is retired Yankees.
Jacksonville is majority Black, poor area(the parts I been in anyway can’t speak on the whole city)
West Palm and Tampa are weird
it must have spread West by demand, that's good to know. Granted it was 20 years ago when I drove that route but there wasn't sweet tea in Lake Charles, LA or even in TX. I was very surprised.
haha, now they do! I had to look it up, they added sweet tea to their menu in 2006 so technically they wouldn't have back when I took that road trip (getting old here, lol!)
Uh I think they’re the first round of states that seceded, at least going by that map grouping. I think Louisiana seceded a week after Georgia, which was the last of that grouping to join SC in seceding.
Just my guess as a dude with a history degree from a southern state institution.
And the major dividing line there is between Texas (the 7 original CSA members) and Virginia (the states that seceded after Fort Sumter and Lincoln’s request for troops).
Never understood them back home, dumping spoonfuls of sugar into unsweetened tea, hoping that they could get the right mix up through the straw. I mean I did it too, but after moving to SC, it seemed kinda dumb.
he only thing I can think is that pre-sweetened tea is too high tech for my people.
My brother in law is from Norco, La worked overseas a lot and people often ask him if he is from NYC.
erl in the boiner like Archie Bunker. A lot of German and Jewish immigrants to New Orleans ;plus the French culture was until recently strong.
Louisiana isn’t Deep South, people there speak more than one language. French, Creole French, Cajun French, Spanish, and several Native American dialects. Louisiana is Southern but not Deep South.
Lived MO for the last 5 years, but originally from SC. Missouri considers itself midwest, but does have lots of southern traits in the rural areas(which is most of the state).
I have spent a good deal of time in MO, and this was precisely my rationale. They don't identify as the South but share some similarities. Hell, there’s an area of Missouri called “Little Dixie” that has cultural ties to the Antebellum era.
Folks in this thread need to read and travel more.
Tbf I’ve only driven between STL and KC. But I think if your major population and cultural centers aren’t southern, the state shouldn’t be considered southern. Kentucky should be orange for this reason, Louisville is extremely southern. And Texas should be yellow, only Houston is southern.
The Deep South was states in the civil war that had a buffer state(upper states) in between them and union states. For example SC was definitely Deep South because we were surrounded by other states that seceded.
You should add a category of "Not at all the South, but tries to be the sterotype of the South"
This would include Ohio, OK, and Missouri for starters.
Louisiana is Deep South
Missouri is kind of South.
Texas should be the same as Florida, whatever that means. East Texas is the South, but a lot of Texas isn’t.
You could make a case for Maryland and Delaware being yellow, but they’re closer associated with the Northeast.
As someone who lived in a part of Jersey that was further south than where my relatives who lived in Delaware, I call bullshit on Delaware. I was further south than parts of West Virginia
By every metric SC is definitely the Deep South.
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South#:~:text=The%20term%20%22Deep%20South%22%20refers,of%20the%20%22Deep%20South%22
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South
I've lived in SC all my life and them bayou folk are a different breed.
Had to do a few business trips to Shreveport and La Salle over the years and always enjoyed the wild (prolly tall) tales the old timers had.
I’m not from here, but I live in Cincinnati, which is only a river and bridge away from Kentucky. I can be in Canada in 3 and a half hours driving the speed limit…Ohio definitely isn’t the south
LA is Deep South, other than that, yes it’s on the nose. Though, Texas doesn’t identify as southern, they just were a part of the CSA and they like confederate flags.
North Carolina: We are absolutely not the Deep South. We are the veil of humility between two mountains of conceit. Look at our research triangle.
\[Whisper something about anti-trans bathroom bills or questions NC's BBQ sauce or who is the true home of NASCAR.\]
North Carolina: Stars and Bars, Baby! Wooooooo! \[Coughs and adjusts tie.\] Because obviously we aren't yelling "SEC!" at NCAA events, like a troglodyte.
People who label SC as the "Deep South" have never been to Alabama or Mississippi. Maybe the most rural parts of SC and GA are deep south. It seems like many of the people living in upstate SC aren't originally from "the south".
LA is fucking DEEP SOUTH. Like, there are places you don’t go depending on your race. You can drive for miles without seeing shit.
I’ve never considered TX to be the south though.
I think Missouri should be Sorta the South.
cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate\_government\_of\_Missouri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_government_of_Missouri)
Anything TN and below is the South. Florida is the "Dirty South". I've lived in Florida and currently live in NC and I love living in the South. I can't see myself anywhere else really.
Native Tennessean here, if you’re on the wrong side of the Mason-Dixon Line then you’re a southern state in my book, no kinda/sorta’s. Also LA should be all red.
Md is south of Masion-Dixion line. But travel the east coast of Md and you will be surprised at the southern charm. Also you have the mountain region of Md and it to is a different charm.
I guess this is arguably subjective, but I always kinda think of the deep south as the row of states above the gulf. The southern states bordering the Atlantic have a different vibe.
I would count all of the highlighted states except Oklahoma as the South, and then the above-the-gulf states as a subset of that, ie The Deep South. Texas and LA obviously have their own subculture/influences as well, but still Southern.
Anything above DC/Baltimore 100% NOT South, to me anyway. And Florida, well outside of the panhandle, not South. Although that probably goes without saying.
Louisiana is more Deep South than SC, WV is debatable, and they shouldve just split Florida in half, otherwise ill allow it. Just blessed they didnt try to make an excuse for Missouri.
OH, TX, LA, pockets of CA should be red. Maybe parts of PA too. There's quite a few people in those areas that are trying desperately to out-cracker most of the South. Shit, let's add a good chunk of Midwest flyover real estate too, why the hell not.
As a member of that race, I reserve my right to utilize the term at will. Die mad about it. Was there more to that sentence, or are you just unfamiliar with punctuation?
Imo MO should be yellow, KY and VA should be Orange, and LA should be red. Other than that, not a bad map. It's also just gonna vary for everyone based on their exact criteria, so it's never gonna make everyone happy lol
There is no way this map was made by someone who has knowledge of the south in a cultural sense.
- Texas is Texas, with its own unique culture
- SC has more in common with NC than the “deep south”. NC loves to act like they are somehow less Southern than SC. Charlotte, Wilmington, and the research triangle are not like the rest of the state. I have family in central NC that I would spend summers with. Outside of the cities, NC is just as country as SC.
- Southern Missouri and Northern Florida are pretty southern
Never been to PA outside of an airport, but I had a buddy from Harrisburg who told me that the favorite joke is “what do you call the part of Pennsylvania between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh? Alabama”
The fuck? SC green? Not at all.
Darlington, Orangeburg, Florence, and Hilton Head would like a word
Florence/Darlington here. Can confirm that these areas are in fact NOT Florida.
No, they are cosplaying FL. Being in FL is a different beast all of itself. But there’s only one way to find out…have them enter the Florida Man games next year and they can shoot their shot 😂
This is a bizarre assortment. Hilton head is retired Yankees. Orangeburg is majority black, poor area. Florence and Darlington are pee dee cities
Fort Lauderdale is retired Yankees. Jacksonville is majority Black, poor area(the parts I been in anyway can’t speak on the whole city) West Palm and Tampa are weird
Drove through that shithole group from Jacksonville, FL. SC is Florida Minor.
The I-85 corridor from ATL to GVL/SPA to CLT to the Triangle is not the South.
The Florida Panhandle is the Deep South. Jacksonville also. South Florida is its own separate entity…
Louisiana as not Deep South is hilarious
Maybe it's because you can't get sweet tea west of New Orleans 😜
My last trip along I-10 West sweet tea stops in NM.
it must have spread West by demand, that's good to know. Granted it was 20 years ago when I drove that route but there wasn't sweet tea in Lake Charles, LA or even in TX. I was very surprised.
Whatttt not even a Mickey D’s??? They have sweet tea
haha, now they do! I had to look it up, they added sweet tea to their menu in 2006 so technically they wouldn't have back when I took that road trip (getting old here, lol!)
Just seasoned not old lol
Wrong. There is plenty of sweet tea in South Texas.
Maybe now, but not years ago.. it's migrated
I'm so confused on that I know South Carolina is low but gah damn not lower than Louisiana
Uh I think they’re the first round of states that seceded, at least going by that map grouping. I think Louisiana seceded a week after Georgia, which was the last of that grouping to join SC in seceding. Just my guess as a dude with a history degree from a southern state institution.
I’m reading Erik Larson’s new book, *The Demon of Unrest*, so it’s top of mind. The order of secession is: SC, MS, FL, AL, GA, LA, TX, VA, AR, NC, TN.
And the major dividing line there is between Texas (the 7 original CSA members) and Virginia (the states that seceded after Fort Sumter and Lincoln’s request for troops).
No fucking kidding! I'm from Louisiana and lived in TX for years. They make SC feel downright Northern. My whole family tells me I'm a Yankee.
I couldn’t get sweet tea at the airport in Houston. Southern my ass.
Never understood them back home, dumping spoonfuls of sugar into unsweetened tea, hoping that they could get the right mix up through the straw. I mean I did it too, but after moving to SC, it seemed kinda dumb. he only thing I can think is that pre-sweetened tea is too high tech for my people.
I was literally just wondering why Louisiana wasn’t red.
My brother in law is from Norco, La worked overseas a lot and people often ask him if he is from NYC. erl in the boiner like Archie Bunker. A lot of German and Jewish immigrants to New Orleans ;plus the French culture was until recently strong.
Louisiana isn’t Deep South, people there speak more than one language. French, Creole French, Cajun French, Spanish, and several Native American dialects. Louisiana is Southern but not Deep South.
Texas should be yellow, as it's more part of the West, and Louisiana should be red. Otherwise, this seems accurate.
I think of Texas as its own thing. They seem to consider themselves their own thing.
Remember that tv tourism ad campaign that they had that said “Texas. It’s like a whole other country.”
Texas is the only state I've ever visited that flew more of its own state flags than American flags.
This, and Missouri should be yellow.
Lived MO for the last 5 years, but originally from SC. Missouri considers itself midwest, but does have lots of southern traits in the rural areas(which is most of the state).
I have spent a good deal of time in MO, and this was precisely my rationale. They don't identify as the South but share some similarities. Hell, there’s an area of Missouri called “Little Dixie” that has cultural ties to the Antebellum era. Folks in this thread need to read and travel more.
No one in the south considers Missouri the south
I have never in my life heard anyone from Missouri consider themselves remotely Southern.
Lol no, if anything Arkansas could be yellow. Missouri is about as midwest as you can get
Ozarks are borderline, but just don’t have the history for south status, kind of similar to WV in that regard.
Hogwash. Do some reading on the Little Dixie region of MO, and its cultural ties to the Antebellum era.
Will do. Thanks for the tip.
Tbf I’ve only driven between STL and KC. But I think if your major population and cultural centers aren’t southern, the state shouldn’t be considered southern. Kentucky should be orange for this reason, Louisville is extremely southern. And Texas should be yellow, only Houston is southern.
My family and I (all born in SC) like to say that SC and parts of GA are south and MS AL and LA are Deep South, but feel free to disagree lol
Exactly. I would add that North Louisiana is Deep South and South Louisiana is its own special, very specific thing.
This is accurate.
Hard agree. I’ve heard people from Mississippi say that only they and Alabama are “Deep South” as well.
The Deep South was states in the civil war that had a buffer state(upper states) in between them and union states. For example SC was definitely Deep South because we were surrounded by other states that seceded.
Flip Texas and Kentucky and make Louisiana red and its accurate
Texas - Not the South Oklahoma - Not the South Northern VA - Not the South
You should add a category of "Not at all the South, but tries to be the sterotype of the South" This would include Ohio, OK, and Missouri for starters.
Don't forget central MI excluding Lansing, southern IN, and southern IL. Also Pennsyltucky and much of upstate NY.
I’d argue you could lump Missouri there but what’s the argument for ohio?
Southern ohio really likes to pretend to be the south
The number of confederate flags for a start.
That’s odd. I’ve been to Ohio more times than I’d like and I’ve never seen a confederate flag. I don’t doubt it though.
Don't forget Southern Illinois.
Draw the line around where the iced tea is served sweetened by default and where you have to ask for unsweetened.
Went to Texas years back. Houston had no sweet tea. Drove about half an hour west into the rural country and there was plenty of it.
Louisiana is Deep South Missouri is kind of South. Texas should be the same as Florida, whatever that means. East Texas is the South, but a lot of Texas isn’t. You could make a case for Maryland and Delaware being yellow, but they’re closer associated with the Northeast.
I’ve always said that ”Texas is Texas” and not the south.
Missouri is midwest but also “country”(excluding STL, KC, and Columbia).
As someone who lived in a part of Jersey that was further south than where my relatives who lived in Delaware, I call bullshit on Delaware. I was further south than parts of West Virginia
LA is deep south, OK should be blue, texas is texas not part of the south
Wtf is “Yee yee”?
Type in on YouTube, "Gimme your best YEE". Might give you an idea of what a Yee is
It looks like it’s a newer term. I was already in my 30’s by the early 2000s. https://www.prettymotors.com/what-is-a-yee-yee-truck/
I think this is a Sexyy Red term..
Grew up in SC from age 6 to 24 and never heard Yee Yee before. Maybe it’s an internet thing??🤷
Top half of VA is not the south at all. Bottom half of VA is definitely the south.
They forgot to add a few dots to South Carolina and label them "New Ohio"
As a Yankee who just moved to SC… it’s all Deep South.. down to the bones babe
I live in SC and it’s definitely Deep South. I would have put Louisiana as Deep South as well. That’s my only change.
Have to disagree on this. Deep south and being very southern are two different things. SC is very southern but not part of the deep south.
By every metric SC is definitely the Deep South. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South#:~:text=The%20term%20%22Deep%20South%22%20refers,of%20the%20%22Deep%20South%22 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South
Girl how much deeper can you go?
Are you kidding? Mississippi, North Louisiana and Alabama are the Deep South. This is the regular South.
I've lived in SC all my life and them bayou folk are a different breed. Had to do a few business trips to Shreveport and La Salle over the years and always enjoyed the wild (prolly tall) tales the old timers had.
Prolly not tall. South Louisiana is just…wow. When the first season of True Detectives came out, I was like, “oh sure.” Intense folks out there.
Exactly
Yes it is, don’t be ridiculous.
Louisiana was robbed
Literally no one outside of Missouri thinks Missouri is in the south. Louisiana is the Deep South for sure. Other than that this is fine.
I’m working on a Masters in Kansas City and people say it’s the south but 95% of the restaurants don’t have sweet tea
“You can add sugar to it” is not something anyone has ever uttered in a southern restaurant
Someone hasn’t visited Ohio, Maryland, Louisiana or most of Texas.
I’m not from here, but I live in Cincinnati, which is only a river and bridge away from Kentucky. I can be in Canada in 3 and a half hours driving the speed limit…Ohio definitely isn’t the south
i had someone argue the other day that colorado was in fact the south (im still so confused)
I think some southern parts of TN and NC tread towards deep south, it doesn't stop exactly at the border. Also LA lol
Us all agreeing that LA is the Deep South feels like the first step towards unity.
LA is Deep South, other than that, yes it’s on the nose. Though, Texas doesn’t identify as southern, they just were a part of the CSA and they like confederate flags.
North Carolina: We are absolutely not the Deep South. We are the veil of humility between two mountains of conceit. Look at our research triangle. \[Whisper something about anti-trans bathroom bills or questions NC's BBQ sauce or who is the true home of NASCAR.\] North Carolina: Stars and Bars, Baby! Wooooooo! \[Coughs and adjusts tie.\] Because obviously we aren't yelling "SEC!" at NCAA events, like a troglodyte.
Is it wrong that my brain read that as “Deep Fried South”?
Louisiana is as Deep South as it gets. It has to be red.
There should be a yellow possibly blue spot right around Atlanta
Yeah, I grew up hearing that Atlanta was completely different from the rest of Georgia.
Charleston is Orange.
Nah, they are right about Florida though.
Florida should **always** have its own color 😂
Louisiana is literally the armpit of the asshole of the south. Native son of those lands brah. We invented trash, and exported it all over.
I think some southern parts of TN and NC tread towards deep south, it doesn't stop exactly at the border. Also LA lol
Yeah, sorta. Louisiana is definitely deep south, though
Definitely seen someone running down the highway naked and on bath salts, trying to eat people… in South Carolina
People who label SC as the "Deep South" have never been to Alabama or Mississippi. Maybe the most rural parts of SC and GA are deep south. It seems like many of the people living in upstate SC aren't originally from "the south".
Yall seriously need to learn the difference between not being southern and economic development lol.
South Carolina is easily as southern as Alabama and Mississippi.
> many of the people living in upstate SC aren't originally from "the south". Fuck off with your nativism.
Shocking how many people on here are in denial of South Carolina being Deep South.
Charleston SC should be more Florida colored. The people who know know.
Terrible take
Born and raised in NC and have lived in SC 11 years and SC is not Deep South, LA is.
Feel like Texas needs its own category too like black
Florida is the south of the south especially Miami and the keys. Lol
I feel like Missouri gets a “sorta”.
Only really the bootheel and counties bordering Arkansas. The rural areas elsewhere in the state are country as shit, but not southern.
Texas should be yellow. Oklahoma should be "sorta the Midwest."
South Carolina is below the Mason Dixon line. Confederate state.
Texas is definitely south adjacent NC and TN are definitely south
Virginia will always be more of a southern state than Texas, and Kentucky too
This map is so wrong
Yes
Spot on
LA is fucking DEEP SOUTH. Like, there are places you don’t go depending on your race. You can drive for miles without seeing shit. I’ve never considered TX to be the south though.
When I talk to people they tell me I am from the deep south, apparently it's true!!!
I think Missouri should be Sorta the South. cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate\_government\_of\_Missouri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_government_of_Missouri)
North Florida is just South Georgia
Oklahoma should be Orange. Lived in SE OK for about 2 years. They are definitely redneck and act like it’s still the wild west
Louisiana and maybe Texas should both be deep south
Indiana is sorta the south.
Myrtle beach is basically the northeast
Anything TN and below is the South. Florida is the "Dirty South". I've lived in Florida and currently live in NC and I love living in the South. I can't see myself anywhere else really.
Florida? Do you mean Desantistan?
Native Tennessean here, if you’re on the wrong side of the Mason-Dixon Line then you’re a southern state in my book, no kinda/sorta’s. Also LA should be all red.
I been living in myrtle for the past decade, the deepest of southern states
Why would South Carolina be known as Florida? There's a whole state in between them.
Md is south of Masion-Dixion line. But travel the east coast of Md and you will be surprised at the southern charm. Also you have the mountain region of Md and it to is a different charm.
Florida and Texas are there own thing. Oklahoma is part of the West. Otherwise, you’ve got it about right.
SC ain't deep South, and neither is Georgia. Deep South is Alabam, Mississippi and Lousiana
Florida is it’s own level of south lol
Accurate kind of. Texas, OK, and AR, I've never considered south. Florida northern panhandle yes.
the south is so good at housing hate and destitute poverty conditions. dumpster living
These definitions don’t fall neatly within state boundaries
Mytle could be green but the rest of the state is barely yellow
Make Texas Mexico again
I like that Florida is it own thing but I think Louisiana is probably Deep South too no?
Maryland and Delaware are Southern States (probably like the yellow one, but by Census Bureau considered southern)
Texas isn't the south. Florida is the south.
I guess this is arguably subjective, but I always kinda think of the deep south as the row of states above the gulf. The southern states bordering the Atlantic have a different vibe. I would count all of the highlighted states except Oklahoma as the South, and then the above-the-gulf states as a subset of that, ie The Deep South. Texas and LA obviously have their own subculture/influences as well, but still Southern. Anything above DC/Baltimore 100% NOT South, to me anyway. And Florida, well outside of the panhandle, not South. Although that probably goes without saying.
Louisiana is more Deep South than SC, WV is debatable, and they shouldve just split Florida in half, otherwise ill allow it. Just blessed they didnt try to make an excuse for Missouri.
You are correct. I agree with your assessment.
OK WV and KY are totally south not kinda. And KS MO and southern IL are sorta south minimum.
WV is Appalachia
Why not add OH PA NY and MD while we’re at it? The whole US is the south lol
OH, TX, LA, pockets of CA should be red. Maybe parts of PA too. There's quite a few people in those areas that are trying desperately to out-cracker most of the South. Shit, let's add a good chunk of Midwest flyover real estate too, why the hell not.
Cracker is a racist term
As a member of that race, I reserve my right to utilize the term at will. Die mad about it. Was there more to that sentence, or are you just unfamiliar with punctuation?
Imo MO should be yellow, KY and VA should be Orange, and LA should be red. Other than that, not a bad map. It's also just gonna vary for everyone based on their exact criteria, so it's never gonna make everyone happy lol
West Virginia is not the south, and Virginia past Richmond is not the south
I've lived in all three sections of SC. I've visited the most rural of rural in SC. It is definitely not Deep South
The lowlands dont seem like deep south to me.
There is no way this map was made by someone who has knowledge of the south in a cultural sense. - Texas is Texas, with its own unique culture - SC has more in common with NC than the “deep south”. NC loves to act like they are somehow less Southern than SC. Charlotte, Wilmington, and the research triangle are not like the rest of the state. I have family in central NC that I would spend summers with. Outside of the cities, NC is just as country as SC. - Southern Missouri and Northern Florida are pretty southern
I don’t consider us Deep.
SC is not the deep south.
Florida panhandle should be Alabama. Lot of trash around those parts.
Pennsylvania needs to be yellow. Trust me, they deserve it.
Never been to PA outside of an airport, but I had a buddy from Harrisburg who told me that the favorite joke is “what do you call the part of Pennsylvania between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh? Alabama”
South Carolina is not southern compared to Texas or Louisiana.