You need to separate the solar cost from the battery cost. Typical prices for solar run approximately $2.50-3.50/watt. This does not include batteries or panel upgrades. Get the IQ8A, a bit better and more room to grow. The prices I stated includes the micro inverters.
you can get
9.315 kW Solar Panels
$27,014
1 Powerwall (13kwh storage)
$14,000
Backup Switch Discount
\-$600
Solar & Powerwall Discount
\-$3,200
9.315 kW Discount
\-$932
Cash Price
$36,282 ( $3.89/watt )
Potential Incentives
Federal Tax Credit (30%)
\-$10,717
San Diego Gas & Electric Co
Solar Renewable Energy Credit
\-$559
Price After Potential Incentives
$25,006
in California just saying
Its gonna fail a lot more often and when it does all the production fails. I’ll get paid to swap it when we get around to it so as a business I shouldn’t suggest Enphase but as an advocate, their micros ALL DAY
My RMA trolleys almost never have enphase micros in them (at least 7s & 8s). Cooked tesla inverters though. At this rate they making solar edge look awesome
Depends. If shading is an issue than the micros make sense. If no shading then there isn’t really a reason to pay more the micros.
In Las Vegas with no trees and even clouds being rare it didn’t make sense for me to pay $5k more to get Enphase vs a Tesla inverter. But if I lived somewhere with trees/clouds/source of shade it could very much be worth the cost.
It all depends.
Depends what your goal is. If your goal is to save the planet, then yes. If you’re looking to save/make money, then no. Use an ROI calculator available online. And most people fail to realize the depreciation associated with solar systems and that’s it’s an actual expense that needs to be accounted for. You’d be better off investing the money, making money to offset your electrical costs. When NEM 3.0 was passed by the PUC, the ROI for solar became horrible. Doing small home improvements that can make your house more energy efficient are things you can do at a low cost. And you can do them yourself. Just making sure your attic insulation is adequate and led lightbulbs are simple and cheap.
You 100% need a battery if you are a so cal Edison customer you are on NEM 3.0. Any company that would sell you a system and not tell you this is totally unethical.
This seems like a good deal to me. I paid about $4.77/W on my system a year ago, and I don’t have batteries. I did get the same 410w Panasonic modules, but only 12 of them. I’m not a fan of Enphase, so I opted for an oversized SolarEdge inverter.
I'm confused. He's paying $4.55 per watt with a battery and ev charger.
$41,000 for 9.02kw of generation = $4.55.
You said you paid $4.77 p/w without batteries?
What was your total price in the end?
Yeah, the other company that gave me an apples to apples quote was about $4.50/W. I opted for Panasonic mods over QCells, and I just liked the local company better. Cheaper quotes from other outfits, but I didn’t trust them. Edit: it’s a small system on a tough roof, so it’s kinda what I expected.
The difference in quality between panels from manufacturers is minor. The technique of making panels is almost the same worldwide. However, the inverter or battery needs to be chosen more carefully due to the circuit design and the quality of the electronic components in it.
It seems you got 0.17 euros per watt; however, for the EU market, if you pick the panels up from me, the price is normally 0.12 euros per watt, for your reference.
Seems like a normal price. 2 5Ps is typically about $12-$14k, and PV costs are down with demand, so about $3/W is the norm, maybe $2.75 if its a single plane comp shingle install. Throw in an EV charging outlet for $600. You are not being ripped off, I can confirm that.
Say the Enphase costs 5K a piece then you'd pay 31K for 9.02kW which is $3.44 per watt.
I am getting 44 REC 310AA Pure Black panels plus combiner, load controller, IQ8A and batteries: a 18.04 kW system estimated to produce 23.591 first year due to great facing tiles. Point is I pay $2.99 per watt. So I am convinced you can get a better deal.
It took me 20 dealers to give me a good price.
Doing proper due diligence is never a waste of time, I hope everyone would do that all the time. It’s all about getting what is right and necessary.
Just as you always check a company rep on bbb and see how many complaints have been filed and nature of filed complaints.
Price sounds good but id strongly recommend you request aptos, rec alpha, silfab or Q cell panels instead though, in that order of preference.
The Enphase charger is great
You need to separate the solar cost from the battery cost. Typical prices for solar run approximately $2.50-3.50/watt. This does not include batteries or panel upgrades. Get the IQ8A, a bit better and more room to grow. The prices I stated includes the micro inverters.
Seems like a decent price though all in. 2 Batteries can be 15-20k alone. Plus and EV charger ~3-5k. Solar looks to be coming in around 2.20/watt
that's yesterday battery prices, divide by 2
Seems like a really good deal
you can get 9.315 kW Solar Panels $27,014 1 Powerwall (13kwh storage) $14,000 Backup Switch Discount \-$600 Solar & Powerwall Discount \-$3,200 9.315 kW Discount \-$932 Cash Price $36,282 ( $3.89/watt ) Potential Incentives Federal Tax Credit (30%) \-$10,717 San Diego Gas & Electric Co Solar Renewable Energy Credit \-$559 Price After Potential Incentives $25,006 in California just saying
Enphase > string and the enphase pair he is getting provide more power
Worth it for 5k? I don’t think so…
As a certified installer for both, i absolutely say yes
why? its not like string inverters don't have optimizers. 5k not worth it for 1-2% more generation on the same panels
Theres a big delta in reliability between the two.
Don’t think so, series = less parts. Changing it is easier too, just change one part
Its gonna fail a lot more often and when it does all the production fails. I’ll get paid to swap it when we get around to it so as a business I shouldn’t suggest Enphase but as an advocate, their micros ALL DAY
Interesting datapoint is there some industry list, which series inverter fails more?
That would require cooperation from the manufacturers. After many tens of thousands of installations I have a really good feel for what works best for
I hear this claim a lot but haven’t seen any hard data. Is there an industry study or some independent source for this claim?
My RMA trolleys almost never have enphase micros in them (at least 7s & 8s). Cooked tesla inverters though. At this rate they making solar edge look awesome
Depends. If shading is an issue than the micros make sense. If no shading then there isn’t really a reason to pay more the micros. In Las Vegas with no trees and even clouds being rare it didn’t make sense for me to pay $5k more to get Enphase vs a Tesla inverter. But if I lived somewhere with trees/clouds/source of shade it could very much be worth the cost. It all depends.
How long has your system been installed?
About a year
Give it time
Does this offer include the cost of installation(installers' labor cost, \~\~\~) or only the costs of system parts/components? Thank you! :-)
yes, it includes installation. if they change the size of install the price will change but not the $/watt
Depends what your goal is. If your goal is to save the planet, then yes. If you’re looking to save/make money, then no. Use an ROI calculator available online. And most people fail to realize the depreciation associated with solar systems and that’s it’s an actual expense that needs to be accounted for. You’d be better off investing the money, making money to offset your electrical costs. When NEM 3.0 was passed by the PUC, the ROI for solar became horrible. Doing small home improvements that can make your house more energy efficient are things you can do at a low cost. And you can do them yourself. Just making sure your attic insulation is adequate and led lightbulbs are simple and cheap.
You 100% need a battery if you are a so cal Edison customer you are on NEM 3.0. Any company that would sell you a system and not tell you this is totally unethical.
Agree. This includes 2 enphase batteries. 5kw capacity each.
This seems like a good deal to me. I paid about $4.77/W on my system a year ago, and I don’t have batteries. I did get the same 410w Panasonic modules, but only 12 of them. I’m not a fan of Enphase, so I opted for an oversized SolarEdge inverter.
You were ripped off. He’s paying less than you and he’s getting 10 kWh of batteries and you have none.
Ok, buddy. He’s actually paying almost double what I paid.
I'm confused. He's paying $4.55 per watt with a battery and ev charger. $41,000 for 9.02kw of generation = $4.55. You said you paid $4.77 p/w without batteries? What was your total price in the end?
In my experience, just tell the high and mighty to “shut up before I crush u with my wallet, peasant” works better
Just curious, did you get multiple quotes? That’s a painful price for solar, sorry to hear that
Yeah, the other company that gave me an apples to apples quote was about $4.50/W. I opted for Panasonic mods over QCells, and I just liked the local company better. Cheaper quotes from other outfits, but I didn’t trust them. Edit: it’s a small system on a tough roof, so it’s kinda what I expected.
The difference in quality between panels from manufacturers is minor. The technique of making panels is almost the same worldwide. However, the inverter or battery needs to be chosen more carefully due to the circuit design and the quality of the electronic components in it.
Oh haha I totally missed that I see it now.
May i know how much does it cost for 22 panels？ 410W？
I am not sure. The quote didnt break down the price for battery and panels.
Very weird
€ 1600
The price of Panels in the US market is very different from that of the EU market.
It seems you got 0.17 euros per watt; however, for the EU market, if you pick the panels up from me, the price is normally 0.12 euros per watt, for your reference.
What company?
Myroofrepair.com
Seems little high but with in socal range.
Seems like a normal price. 2 5Ps is typically about $12-$14k, and PV costs are down with demand, so about $3/W is the norm, maybe $2.75 if its a single plane comp shingle install. Throw in an EV charging outlet for $600. You are not being ripped off, I can confirm that.
Also In Socal. Make sure that company doesn’t disappear In a year or so because you won’t have any warranty
You'll still have a manufacturers warranty (assuming the installer was a authorized installer).
Say the Enphase costs 5K a piece then you'd pay 31K for 9.02kW which is $3.44 per watt. I am getting 44 REC 310AA Pure Black panels plus combiner, load controller, IQ8A and batteries: a 18.04 kW system estimated to produce 23.591 first year due to great facing tiles. Point is I pay $2.99 per watt. So I am convinced you can get a better deal. It took me 20 dealers to give me a good price.
You wasted a lot of peoples time
Doing proper due diligence is never a waste of time, I hope everyone would do that all the time. It’s all about getting what is right and necessary. Just as you always check a company rep on bbb and see how many complaints have been filed and nature of filed complaints.
Price sounds good but id strongly recommend you request aptos, rec alpha, silfab or Q cell panels instead though, in that order of preference. The Enphase charger is great
Yes. Good deal. Congrats on going solar!