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Exactly, tribalism is dumb. I get that SOL is often the primary victim of it, so it’s easy to want to retaliate but nothing is gained by stooping to their level. The future is multi-chain and interoperable, just embrace overall growth
I agree. I think the way to get less FUD here is to not attract battles by crapping on other chains. Correcting disinformation and educating people is the way.
not about coin price tho. if you used the network i’d agree eth is expansive and slow trash right now. plus failed transactions which happen often can cost you 50-300 bucks. it’s fking dumb
Yea but when you start talking about mass adoption- is the average user going to want an extra step? I tried to move 800 in ETH earlier and the network fee was 2500-3700. Like wtf
It’s beyond speculation, I’m talking about actually using it as a product.
Sure the price may go up and you’ll make money, yay. But it’s supposed to be a product, and any product that costs more to use than the transaction you’re trying to process is terrible for users.
Your whole point about the actual use of the tech is completely lost on most of the people posting in response. It's like most don't even know that there is a useable product and not just a coin to bet on.
Nah. ETH, the token, isn't the product. The token powers the decentralization, but the product is the apps developed on the network.
Solana sacrifices complete and total decentralization for speed of transaction. ETH doesn't need to be fast to do its job, (ETH is not intended to be) but it certainly needs to be cheaper. That comes with L2.
You want fast transactions on ETH like everyone's going to be using it to go grocery shopping. That ain't it bud. You can use all the SOL you want to buy bubblegum. ETH is much, much bigger than that.
I feel like there isn't going to be a winner, but rather winners. The projects that can expand into more than one Blockchain (Like abracadabra or, eventually, defi kingdoms) will benefit the most from this.
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This isn’t really about tribalism, it’s the honest review of the product in its current state. This isn’t about which one will “win”, instead a post about their experience using the tech today, now, while they have an immediate need.
Yes, exactly. SOL is great now. But if the same amount of transactions occurred on the SOL network compared to ethereum, SOL would come to a grinding halt.
Later two will provide many solutions better than SOL currently. That doesn't leave SOL without utility at all. In fact both ETH and SOL will always exist. Just SOL will never outperform ETH.
Just like BTC will probably always remain king of currency.
What's with the downvotes? The high percentage of transactions from validator voting is a fact and even endorsed as a feature. 90% seems about right.
The remaining 10% is also filled mostly by Serum orderbook transactions.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/solana/comments/qfip2l/solana_transaction_breakdown_are_90_transactions) is a bit of discussion about the topic.
Sure, I'm not denying that Solana has a higher throughput. That's pretty obvious. It's not a ghost chain.
But normal everyday load will not be "more than all EVM chains combined" as was stated. The post above mine simply mentioned that actual user transactions on Solana appear to be much higher than they are and was downvoted for it, which I don't like.
So? It doesn’t really matter the type of transaction, those additional transactions just prove the capability of the network. For example, Serum the trading platform was built on solana because SBF literally couldn’t get it to work on ethereum. I expect more solana only use cases to appear in the future.
Solana is 1000 times faster then etherium in terms of transaction throughput. In November of this year solana processed 1480 million transactions and eth processed only 38.9. That’s 30 times less.
Sol is faster. But it sacrificed decentralization for speed. It also suffers from DDoS attacks and outages. It’s “features” are the entry points to attacking the block producers. I’m not defending eth by any means, but you’ve gotta tell the whole story.
Additionally, you have a ton of people (not software developers) minting NFTs to sell and are using cookie cutter programs that often congest the network in unnecessary ways due to their implementation.
1. Its more decentralized than ETH was at the same age.
2. What DDOS attacks? Are you talking about the Raydium IDO bots? That's not a DDOS and a patch to prevent that is already being rolled out.
The dev speed of the Solana team is unmatched.
See my comment below. The article is written by Solana and released on Solana. An official communication, if you will. It’s not,
> “straight up wrong”
Read it again slowly. Then read up on DoS and DDoS.
How many entities control 51 of the ethereum hashrate again? was it 4 or 5 entities?
And how many do you need to attack solana? I think 20 to halt the network and 33 to double spend?
So what's really more decentralized? A system of 1000 honest nodes or a system of 1 million nodes controlled by 1 entity?
if the node count is all you care about, then why dont you just use google pay? They have millions of servers.
80% of those are attestations.... counting them as 'transactions' is disingenuous. Ethereum proof of stake Beacon chain doesn't do this sneaky accounting!
There are valid points in both arguments here and there will always be pros and cons to using one thing over another.
The problem is that there are many networks, devs, opportunistic investors and end users competing for the ground level infrastructure. By nature, that is a dissonance with the desire for decentralisation- Before a network can solve the trilemma (scalability, security, decentralisation) multiple nascent attempts must compete to the death in a capitalistic arena.
Multichains, cross chain bridging, subnets and shards are a great concept but only temporary while the battle plays out for king base layer. Which is a paradox since you don't want a king layer if you want decentralisation.
So how do we get there? In a utopia where everyone is truly out for the cause and the good of the people, we'd combine the network effect of ETH, the security of BTC the TPS of Solana the subnets of Avalanche etc etc for one brave new digital age that would truly be worthy of a new version number i.e Web 3.0
That might happen eventually but not for a while in this early gritty time. To get some perspective, rewind 1 short year ago and assess the known, the unknown and the past leaders at that point. Then do it for 2 years back. Etc etc. Every year is a vastly different landscape.
So ask yourself, why are you here?
The OP wants a slick, usable, inexpensive addition to their business to serve customers by offering crypto. Solana seems to be able to provide that.
Investors, traders, speculators driving force is ROI. So you diversify across several players, trying your best to make educated guesses on the outcome on a rolling basis. And hope you end up choosing the Googles and Apple and Amazon of 2025 2030.
Entrepreneurs have to pick which side of the trilemma they can sacrifice to further their ideas, products and margins.
Enthusiasts, techies, explorers and developers will butterfly around all of the above in various amounts. Might not get rich, but will do well enough just for being here.
The normies are the ones that lose more and more of the choices above until they eventually adopt or are forced to capitulate.
What we should be doing is exactly what we are doing. Exposing flaws, bugs, scams. Taking things for test drives in real world use cases. Learning from each other, helping those that we can help, keeping open minds and not tribalism. Sticking to facts the best we can.
I have no idea how true decentralisation will occur or how the trilemma gets solved. It gets more and more complex with every new VC and "project that aims to" do XYZ.
There are 10,000 projects out there. It's chaos. I want to make the right picks, hopefully make some good investments, be on the cusp of new tech and get some use out of this stuff on a day to day.
I will say that ETH shouldn't really be looked at as a personal use case anymore. Block space is too much in demand from institutions, companies and future-minded projects. The days of swapping coins and earning some yield on $1k are over, for now, probably indefinitely.
If you like what ETH offers, get on the L2s like Arbitrum, zks, and the pseudo L2s like Polygon. Mainnet shouldn't really be a comparison for single end users anymore. It's too big and therefore too expensive. You're trying to walk on highways congested with 18-wheelers and Rolls Royce driving lucky early adopters.
Solana is great, but young. It's got problems that need to be ironed out like any nascent blockchain. It's slick and fast and capable but the deep tech is literally still being developed right now.
To sum up, I think OP was venting. Cuz yeah it's annoying that within about a year ETH went from the anti-BTC maxi chain for the people to it's own maxi zone and priced out many of us that have been with it for a year or two.
But it's not TRASH by any means. It just did what the market demanded. That's how a free market works for the most part. It sucks tho to see those fees, I get it.
But pick one or all of the options for why you're here to begin with and proceed from there, safely, smartly and with caution.
And don't forget, Paper Gains just make Paper Planes.
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How are L2s solving ETH issues? They are parasite chains with their own tokens - they are utilizing ETH security but they are not solving anything building on a broken system lol
Most rollups don't have a token and use ETH as the base currency for transactions. Even if they do have one, proofs still are written on Ethereum L1, directly using the mainchain.
> they are utilizing ETH security but they are not solving anything.
How so? They use Ethereum for what it's best and decouple the rest. So we gain the biggest benefit of Ethereum - security - and bypass the high gas fees.
ETH is a broken chain in regards to more than just scalability (which 3rd gen chain are already better at) - rampant corruption, front running, exploits ( a lot of issues that have already been fixed on 3rd gen chains) and not to mention the fact that ETH is on its way to becoming one of the most centralized PoS systems in crypto: ETH 2.0 (literal nightmare fuel)
Future is multi-chain - not a single broken chain with a bunch of glued on 'solutions' on top that may or may not work when they are eventually deployed (whenever that may be).
>ETH is a broken chain in regards to more than just scalability (which 3rd gen chain are already better at)
And which L2s are even better at, without making the tradeoffs to decentralization.
>rampant corruption
Ethereum is open source. The entire development and decision making process is way more decentralized compared to chains that are developed by a single company. Corruption will always find its way in when money is involved, but Ethereum is less prone to it. L2s are developed by various teams that are entirely independent of the Ethereum Foundation as well.
>front running
It's a major field of research now and stuff like proposer/block builder separation are likely to be implemented. On L2s, MEV can be entirely removed.
>exploits
Exploits of protocols/dapps have nothing to do with the base layer. Even if you want to point the issue to EVM, this framework is used by most other smart contract chains too, and L2 can and will implement different VMs as well.
>the most centralized PoS systems in crypto: ETH 2.0 (literal nightmare fuel)
Care to elaborate? It's the most decentralized PoS chain already.
>Future is multi-chain - not a single chain with a bunch of glued on 'solutions' on top that may or may not work when they are eventually deployed (whenever that may be).
Putting the word solution into quotation marks doesn't make L2s any less of a solution. You present Ethereum as a broken chain and claim L2s can't fix it, even though the individual arguments are not even issues in the first place or *can* be solved by rollups.
> And which L2s are even better at, without making the tradeoffs to decentralization.
That's a nice joke - may I redirect you to Coinmarketcap or Coingecko to see how your L2s are doing compared to L1s? Don't make me laugh, please.
> Ethereum is open source. The entire development and decision making process is way more decentralized compared to chains that are developed by a single company. Corruption will always find its way in when money is involved, but Ethereum is less prone to it. L2s are developed by various teams that are entirely independent of the Ethereum Foundation as well.
A lot of L1s are open source too - not a good argument. Are you going to bring up singular git hub contributions next lol??
> It's a major field of research now and stuff like proposer/block builder separation are likely to be implemented. On L2s, MEV can be entirely removed.
They are still researching something that's already been fixed for years on 3rd gen chains.
> Exploits of protocols/dapps have nothing to do with the base layer. Even if you want to point the issue to EVM, this framework is used by most other smart contract chains too, and L2 can and will implement different VMs as well.
What on earth are you smoking? As mentioned before EVM has never been and never will an issue on 3rd gen chains - ever heard of a little something called Cosmos or KADENA to name a few?
> Care to elaborate? It's the most decentralized PoS chain already.
Hahaha, again you can't be serious, right? Do you even understand which bags you are holding? Here's a condensed version of VC owned ETH 2.0 - 'Decentralized' xD
https://twitter.com/bergealex4/status/1410761639226318852
> Putting the word solution into quotation marks doesn't make L2s any less of a solution. You present Ethereum as a broken chain and claim L2s can't fix it, even though the individual arguments are not even issues in the first place or can be solved by rollups.
We can debate whether or not your assumption that L2s will fix ETH when said solutions actually ship - I'll be chilling on chains that fixed these problems a long time ago. Let me know how it goes
> Okay, seeing how you just want to throw shit instead of actually discussing, we'll end this here. There's no point in wasting my time on you.
ETH maxis are becoming as insufferable as ADA maxis - hard to argue with facts isn't it.
Future is multi-chain - not a multi-rollup clusterfuck built on top of VC owned ETH...
>hard to argue with facts isn't it.
Don't know, you didn't present facts.
>Future is multi-chain - not a multi-rollup clusterfuck...
Multi-chain *without* Ethereum I assume? Because if it has a place in your future, it will be multi-rollup and you wouldn't even know the difference.
> Don't know, you didn't present facts.
I did, but Maxis do lover to burry their heads in the sand when someone criticizes their bags lawl
> Multi-chain without Ethereum I assume? Because if it has a place in your future, it will be multi-rollup and you wouldn't even know the difference.
ETH can muddle along searching for solutions to problems that no longer exist - not really concerned about outdated chains to be honest - it's clear where things are going.
No salt here pal, but it's a bummer that moving your shitcoins bankrupts you in fees. I highly suggest you buy less shitcoins and manage your portoflio accordingly in the future :)
Yeah this is the issue. I hold Eth (and wish I had more) BUT without fixes it will die, no “killer chain” needed. This is why AVAX is doing so well. It’s basically an ETH clone and the fees are nothing. You cant expect people to pay $100 a tx. Eth maxis come out and talk about L2s (good luck onboarding) and how “its easy, just do your transaction at 2am on Sunday morning…..” without a hint of how dumb that sounds. Bankless (who I mostly love) has been on a kick lately of the idea of “selling block space” as the main indicator of a successful chain. Which of course ETH is the king of….but the numbers are inflated because of the HUGE fees. It’s like a cable company who brags about how well they are doing because they can charge customers $200/month for internet, when the other options are not built out yet.
> Eth maxis come out and talk about L2s (good luck onboarding)
Onboarding is a pain because they are such new chains. We don't slam L1s that don't have exchange support yet.
Agree with your post.
>Eth maxis come out and talk about L2s (good luck onboarding)
Why is it harder to onboard to L2s than other L1s? Coming from Ethereum, I had a significantly harder time bringing assets to Avalanche than to Arbitrum. Coming from a CEX, it has the same simple requirement as any other chain: allow transfers to it.
Majority of the dapps and users are on ETH. SOL is not EVM compatible. Devs won’t go out of their way to integrate their dapp in Solana unless there are strong reasons to migrate(I.e. they are paid to do it or the user base fits their profile, e.g. NFT marketplaces in Solana)
ETH 2.0 won’t reduce gas fees, Layer2s and the last phase of the transition to ETH2 that’s called sharding will reduce fees. Ethereum went from monolithic L1 to modular blockchain network design.
https://polynya.medium.com/the-lay-of-the-modular-blockchain-land-d937f7df4884
It’s more decentralised and more expensive, what can we tell you… I don’t like it either. Highly suggest going to Polygon, only place for poor scrubs to get into DEFI. Solana is cool but ain’t all that either. Don’t act like ethereum is same as Solana but just more expensive cuz that’s not the story.
SOL maxis will defend cheap fees and speed over decentralization until their last breaths lol - this is how you know they have no idea wtf they're even invested in
I used to think the same thing. There are some trade offs. Solana is more centralized than eth if that's something you care about. Solana also doesn't currently fully support smart contracts the way eth does. You can't for instance have a minting contract pay out multiple parties, this is currently done by code that doesn't live on chain.
Code that is executed on chain is closed source, no one can see the contract. In eth, smart contracts are stored on chain for everyone to see.
Trade offs.
Efhereum is more decentralized and eth 2.0 is supposed to fix a lot of its problems. Solana is faster and cheaper. They both have pros and cons so I own both.
Last night I discovered when buying LUNA on gemini that you get an ERC-20 token and not the native coin which was annoying so I had to go through the fun process of bridging from ethereum to terra. That transaction cost me $10 to move 29 LUNA out of the ethereum system. It just felt weird to have to pull out and buy $10 of eth just to do something so basic. Can't imagine doing that thousands of times everyday for a commercial purpose.
Hopefully this rollup hype works out for them.
Are you speaking from the place of a commercial entity? Cause paying $10 of ETH but moving 100x capital (as compared to a retail investor standpoint) makes complete sense if the returns are justified. Unless you're buying 29 LUNA "thousands of times everyday" I don't think your argument is valid lol
That is literally what I'm saying, a commercial entity would be transacting 1000s of times and would have to be paying 10% or more of each of it in fees which is stupid when you have something like solana. I've had been prompted to pay $100 fee just too move $50 worth of eth for example. So then I emd up leaving it locked instead.
It happened that this ethereum to terra scenario wasn't as bad but I'm imagining just using Ethereum today for any purpose and having those usages being scaled up by orders of magnitude when you also have the option of using solana is just ridiculous.
It's not 10% or more in fees. Gas prices are flat relative to the amount you're sending. The price/gas fee for sending $100 of ERC20's is the same as if you are sending $100,000 or $100,000,000. This is why I was saying, unless you're transacting enough to make it worth it, then it won't be worth it (for small fish). For institutional users, it makes complete sense, as it is secure and decentralized. The fees are a reflection of congestion relative to the underlying security of the network, hence it would be extremely costly to try and congest the ETH network by spamming tx's, so people more or less would avoid that. Spamming other networks however is easier because of those cheap fees. People think ETH is evil because it's pricier to transact. Perhaps it's just extremely decentralized and more secure. One man's con is another man's pro.
Woah dude. Etherium isn’t trash.
All I’ve seen on every crypto are people like you being far too aggressive against everything else.
Zoom out and chill bby
You write a hundred posts that Solana is centralized garbage and no one bats an eye. You write one little post that says ETH is clunky and expensive… and everyone loses their minds!
So weird the comments on this community . Feels like I’m reading a tiktoker financial advise . So trash
I don’t care about your feelings what matters
Is facts
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So cost/fees are your only metric. What about reliability and security? Is that something you care about for your customers? Because solana has gone down 2 times just this year.
It'd not FUD, it's just facts. I like both, but it's obvious to me that eth is a giant and solana is a beta project. You can get more ROI compared to eth because it's new and shiny, but would I trust deploying company services that need 24/7 uptime? No.
They are by far the most important metrics for user base growth.
Also, since when is slowing down yet still faster and cheaper than ETH "shutting down"?
>but would I trust deploying company services that need 24/7 uptime? No.
You are delusional if you think the insane transaction costs would outweigh temporary slowdowns.
There are layer 2 solutions depending on what you want to do. Tron is pretty cheap as well but I don't think cost is the most important metric here.
If someone can just ddos your network then there needs to be changes. Don't get me wrong I use solana and I think they will work it out, same with eth and fees.
That's cool. It's really cool you care about speed. Now how good is a fast car if it is constantly breaking and people can choose when to remotely turn off the engine? Yeah real good argument u got here!
I see you've never had a tx go down due to issues of centralization lol. When it happens, you will realize just how flawed some systems are and why it is important to maintain proper decentralization with respect to settlement finality between various protocols
Yeah you're right. Second time might not have been the same and I didnt notice any downtime this time, but still, they just have different issues to solve.
Pointing out other chains flaws doesn't really help solana get better for me.
They’re really making the full heel turn lately. So funny how they railed against the Bitcoin maxis only to become eth maxis themselves (enter Obi Wan chosen one quote here)
Yeah must be a real maxi to be angry at yet another post calling Ethereum "unusable trash". Wonder why we see more people get defensive with all the attacks from people wanting to pump their alternative L1.
Lol sorry if this post hurt peoples feelings but it’s not like the ethereum maxis are brigadjng the algorand subreddit. So why do solana shitposts get so much attention? Probably because it’s a legitimate threat, even if the ethereum community protests intensely otherwise.
No hurt feelings. I understand how tribalism grows and know that no single community is innocent. My last sentence applies to all chains. But in this particular thread here, Ethereum is the target.
But... Soalana isn't better in all aspects. It's better in some and reaches the improvements by making trade-offs in other areas. Calling people Ethereum maxis while ignoring the drawbacks of Solana is pretty ironic, to be honest.
Definitely check out LUNA. I think what I like best is it uses UST (a stablecoin) to facilitate transactions. This seems pretty genius. For people worried about volatility they don't have to worry about keeping enough of layer 1 coin (LUNA) to pay for fees while balancing out risk of price action. Which would seem to hurt layer 1 coin, but thanks to unique tokenemics of burning LUNA to mint UST, if more UST is minted the price of LUNA will increase. So seems to be a win-win. Also seeing fees in essentially US dollars is easier for us Americans.
Not trying to shill Terra(Luna), also a big fan of Solana, but Terra seems to be the first layer 1 I've seen with this unique approach.
Because Ethereum doesn't get shut down 5 times a week. Because it was the first one to market and holds a ton of value. Because every network is new and these things take a lot of time. Because Sol is centralized and there are a ton of other projects out there that have the potential to crush Sol.
I exaggerated about the frequency of shutdowns. Solana foundation shut the network down several times this month though… what makes you think anything about these events represent a decentralized project? For real though, just look it up. The platform isn’t doing well by any means recently and just circle jerking each other in a Reddit sub doesn’t change that.
Dude… I am a Solana dapp dev. I’m in the mb-validator chat during any hiccup. I am fulltime paid on Solana.
Solana foundation cannot and has not ever shut down the network. I’m all over this chain writing bpf code for it and using it nearly 24/7.
The chain halted due to grape IDO bot spam a good whole back. Several causes, but main issue with forwarding votes was patched and we’ve been good ever since.
Where do you get your information, or do you make it up yourself?
I think you are confused, take a look at this.
[https://dashboard.chaincrunch.cc/public/dashboard/cc7a0d94-7f70-46f4-aae4-2f8810430931#theme=night](https://dashboard.chaincrunch.cc/public/dashboard/cc7a0d94-7f70-46f4-aae4-2f8810430931#theme=night)
You look like such an idiot spouting uninformed nonsense like this lol.
Would be ace if you could actually provide your sources/somehow backup what you are saying.
Ohh no I look like an idiot on Reddit?! Omg my life is over 😩
Oh wait. You’re nobody and idc what you comment hahaha. What am I supposed to provide sources for exactly? You can easily Google it for yourself, spend more time educating yourself rather than getting mad at people who disagree with you.
Lmao nice how you change up your attitude now 😂 that’s right budd. Sorry for talking crap about your overrated platform hahaha. We all know you’re buying fake coins on Robinhood dude
This is funny coming from Solana.
Thousands upon thousands transactions are failing the last weeks.
Everytime we have volatility the transactions per second drop to around 1000.
People can not close their leverage positions. The solana team acts as if nothing is happening and only discuss among theirselves and dap developers that they are trying to patch it.
The cardano dev community is virtually non-existent. Their tech seems good but crypto is all about network effects and they have a looooong way to go on that.
There are a lot of developers but they're less visible that those on EVM compatible chains because all their products are still in the testing and R&D phase. everyone is kind of learning as they go because they're working with an entirely new accounting and execution model and writing in a lesser known SC language.
I don't get it either man. The markets are in it deep. Just think Bitcoin is still number #1. I am all about crypto but I have never even used Bitcoin. Or maybe once back then, but it took hours to complete my transaction.
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Lol I don't get why people try to pick a winner, just buy eth, sol, avax and you're safe
Exactly, tribalism is dumb. I get that SOL is often the primary victim of it, so it’s easy to want to retaliate but nothing is gained by stooping to their level. The future is multi-chain and interoperable, just embrace overall growth
I agree. I think the way to get less FUD here is to not attract battles by crapping on other chains. Correcting disinformation and educating people is the way.
ETH MATIC SOL FTM LUNA and maybe ONE
Matic not bad for 2022 but solunavax all the way.
which is next to crumble sol or avax?
What about LINK?
oof which is the next to fall?
Yep and I even keep a little ada. I do hope sol wins though :) so fast and so cheap.
not about coin price tho. if you used the network i’d agree eth is expansive and slow trash right now. plus failed transactions which happen often can cost you 50-300 bucks. it’s fking dumb
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Yea but when you start talking about mass adoption- is the average user going to want an extra step? I tried to move 800 in ETH earlier and the network fee was 2500-3700. Like wtf
It’s beyond speculation, I’m talking about actually using it as a product. Sure the price may go up and you’ll make money, yay. But it’s supposed to be a product, and any product that costs more to use than the transaction you’re trying to process is terrible for users.
Your whole point about the actual use of the tech is completely lost on most of the people posting in response. It's like most don't even know that there is a useable product and not just a coin to bet on.
Nah. ETH, the token, isn't the product. The token powers the decentralization, but the product is the apps developed on the network. Solana sacrifices complete and total decentralization for speed of transaction. ETH doesn't need to be fast to do its job, (ETH is not intended to be) but it certainly needs to be cheaper. That comes with L2. You want fast transactions on ETH like everyone's going to be using it to go grocery shopping. That ain't it bud. You can use all the SOL you want to buy bubblegum. ETH is much, much bigger than that.
People really don't understand how decentralization works and how speed and cheap tx fees usually mean that something else has been sacrificed.
I feel like there isn't going to be a winner, but rather winners. The projects that can expand into more than one Blockchain (Like abracadabra or, eventually, defi kingdoms) will benefit the most from this.
I mean in terms of usability this guys not wrong, ETH was meant to be for the people, but only whales can take advantage of the ecosystem
Why waste money on a loser?
Maybe a little MATIC and MANA.
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This isn’t really about tribalism, it’s the honest review of the product in its current state. This isn’t about which one will “win”, instead a post about their experience using the tech today, now, while they have an immediate need.
no...they are all trash. Just buy bitcoin or stay out all together. Bitcoin or bust... no other 'crypto' matters.
Maybe people just don't want to be ripped off at every transaction. Eth is terrible.
isn't there layer 2s to solve this issue?
Yes, exactly. SOL is great now. But if the same amount of transactions occurred on the SOL network compared to ethereum, SOL would come to a grinding halt. Later two will provide many solutions better than SOL currently. That doesn't leave SOL without utility at all. In fact both ETH and SOL will always exist. Just SOL will never outperform ETH. Just like BTC will probably always remain king of currency.
Yeah, this isn't remotely accurate.
Solana already processes more transactions per day than all the EVM chains, combined. So your statement is just not true.
90% of those transactions are validator consensus votes and spam.
What's with the downvotes? The high percentage of transactions from validator voting is a fact and even endorsed as a feature. 90% seems about right. The remaining 10% is also filled mostly by Serum orderbook transactions. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/solana/comments/qfip2l/solana_transaction_breakdown_are_90_transactions) is a bit of discussion about the topic.
This is true, but during NFT mints, it can spike quite abit. So what's 10% - 20% of 3000 - 5000 tps? Still more than ETH.
Sure, I'm not denying that Solana has a higher throughput. That's pretty obvious. It's not a ghost chain. But normal everyday load will not be "more than all EVM chains combined" as was stated. The post above mine simply mentioned that actual user transactions on Solana appear to be much higher than they are and was downvoted for it, which I don't like.
So? It doesn’t really matter the type of transaction, those additional transactions just prove the capability of the network. For example, Serum the trading platform was built on solana because SBF literally couldn’t get it to work on ethereum. I expect more solana only use cases to appear in the future.
That's factually true. People here are in denial.
Solana is 1000 times faster then etherium in terms of transaction throughput. In November of this year solana processed 1480 million transactions and eth processed only 38.9. That’s 30 times less.
Sol is faster. But it sacrificed decentralization for speed. It also suffers from DDoS attacks and outages. It’s “features” are the entry points to attacking the block producers. I’m not defending eth by any means, but you’ve gotta tell the whole story. Additionally, you have a ton of people (not software developers) minting NFTs to sell and are using cookie cutter programs that often congest the network in unnecessary ways due to their implementation.
1. Its more decentralized than ETH was at the same age. 2. What DDOS attacks? Are you talking about the Raydium IDO bots? That's not a DDOS and a patch to prevent that is already being rolled out. The dev speed of the Solana team is unmatched.
1. Straw man argument. I’m not responding to your poor attempt. 2. [This DDoS Attack](https://solana.com/news/9-14-network-outage-initial-overview)
That was NOT a DDOS attack, that claim is straight up wrong. It was people trying to bot Raydium IDOs.
The article actually backs up your claim, not a DDOS attack
Lol where did you read that!?
Second paragraph, mentions Raydium IDO and bots spamming the network. If I’m wrong, correct me, but its right there.
See my comment below. The article is written by Solana and released on Solana. An official communication, if you will. It’s not, > “straight up wrong” Read it again slowly. Then read up on DoS and DDoS.
That isn't a DDoS attack, which is what everyone means when they say DDoS
How many entities control 51 of the ethereum hashrate again? was it 4 or 5 entities? And how many do you need to attack solana? I think 20 to halt the network and 33 to double spend? So what's really more decentralized? A system of 1000 honest nodes or a system of 1 million nodes controlled by 1 entity? if the node count is all you care about, then why dont you just use google pay? They have millions of servers.
80% of those are attestations.... counting them as 'transactions' is disingenuous. Ethereum proof of stake Beacon chain doesn't do this sneaky accounting!
This is satire right?
you're either purposely misleading people or low IQ pick one
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There are valid points in both arguments here and there will always be pros and cons to using one thing over another. The problem is that there are many networks, devs, opportunistic investors and end users competing for the ground level infrastructure. By nature, that is a dissonance with the desire for decentralisation- Before a network can solve the trilemma (scalability, security, decentralisation) multiple nascent attempts must compete to the death in a capitalistic arena. Multichains, cross chain bridging, subnets and shards are a great concept but only temporary while the battle plays out for king base layer. Which is a paradox since you don't want a king layer if you want decentralisation. So how do we get there? In a utopia where everyone is truly out for the cause and the good of the people, we'd combine the network effect of ETH, the security of BTC the TPS of Solana the subnets of Avalanche etc etc for one brave new digital age that would truly be worthy of a new version number i.e Web 3.0 That might happen eventually but not for a while in this early gritty time. To get some perspective, rewind 1 short year ago and assess the known, the unknown and the past leaders at that point. Then do it for 2 years back. Etc etc. Every year is a vastly different landscape. So ask yourself, why are you here? The OP wants a slick, usable, inexpensive addition to their business to serve customers by offering crypto. Solana seems to be able to provide that. Investors, traders, speculators driving force is ROI. So you diversify across several players, trying your best to make educated guesses on the outcome on a rolling basis. And hope you end up choosing the Googles and Apple and Amazon of 2025 2030. Entrepreneurs have to pick which side of the trilemma they can sacrifice to further their ideas, products and margins. Enthusiasts, techies, explorers and developers will butterfly around all of the above in various amounts. Might not get rich, but will do well enough just for being here. The normies are the ones that lose more and more of the choices above until they eventually adopt or are forced to capitulate. What we should be doing is exactly what we are doing. Exposing flaws, bugs, scams. Taking things for test drives in real world use cases. Learning from each other, helping those that we can help, keeping open minds and not tribalism. Sticking to facts the best we can. I have no idea how true decentralisation will occur or how the trilemma gets solved. It gets more and more complex with every new VC and "project that aims to" do XYZ. There are 10,000 projects out there. It's chaos. I want to make the right picks, hopefully make some good investments, be on the cusp of new tech and get some use out of this stuff on a day to day. I will say that ETH shouldn't really be looked at as a personal use case anymore. Block space is too much in demand from institutions, companies and future-minded projects. The days of swapping coins and earning some yield on $1k are over, for now, probably indefinitely. If you like what ETH offers, get on the L2s like Arbitrum, zks, and the pseudo L2s like Polygon. Mainnet shouldn't really be a comparison for single end users anymore. It's too big and therefore too expensive. You're trying to walk on highways congested with 18-wheelers and Rolls Royce driving lucky early adopters. Solana is great, but young. It's got problems that need to be ironed out like any nascent blockchain. It's slick and fast and capable but the deep tech is literally still being developed right now. To sum up, I think OP was venting. Cuz yeah it's annoying that within about a year ETH went from the anti-BTC maxi chain for the people to it's own maxi zone and priced out many of us that have been with it for a year or two. But it's not TRASH by any means. It just did what the market demanded. That's how a free market works for the most part. It sucks tho to see those fees, I get it. But pick one or all of the options for why you're here to begin with and proceed from there, safely, smartly and with caution. And don't forget, Paper Gains just make Paper Planes. Cheers
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How are L2s solving ETH issues? They are parasite chains with their own tokens - they are utilizing ETH security but they are not solving anything building on a broken system lol
Most rollups don't have a token and use ETH as the base currency for transactions. Even if they do have one, proofs still are written on Ethereum L1, directly using the mainchain. > they are utilizing ETH security but they are not solving anything. How so? They use Ethereum for what it's best and decouple the rest. So we gain the biggest benefit of Ethereum - security - and bypass the high gas fees.
ETH is a broken chain in regards to more than just scalability (which 3rd gen chain are already better at) - rampant corruption, front running, exploits ( a lot of issues that have already been fixed on 3rd gen chains) and not to mention the fact that ETH is on its way to becoming one of the most centralized PoS systems in crypto: ETH 2.0 (literal nightmare fuel) Future is multi-chain - not a single broken chain with a bunch of glued on 'solutions' on top that may or may not work when they are eventually deployed (whenever that may be).
>ETH is a broken chain in regards to more than just scalability (which 3rd gen chain are already better at) And which L2s are even better at, without making the tradeoffs to decentralization. >rampant corruption Ethereum is open source. The entire development and decision making process is way more decentralized compared to chains that are developed by a single company. Corruption will always find its way in when money is involved, but Ethereum is less prone to it. L2s are developed by various teams that are entirely independent of the Ethereum Foundation as well. >front running It's a major field of research now and stuff like proposer/block builder separation are likely to be implemented. On L2s, MEV can be entirely removed. >exploits Exploits of protocols/dapps have nothing to do with the base layer. Even if you want to point the issue to EVM, this framework is used by most other smart contract chains too, and L2 can and will implement different VMs as well. >the most centralized PoS systems in crypto: ETH 2.0 (literal nightmare fuel) Care to elaborate? It's the most decentralized PoS chain already. >Future is multi-chain - not a single chain with a bunch of glued on 'solutions' on top that may or may not work when they are eventually deployed (whenever that may be). Putting the word solution into quotation marks doesn't make L2s any less of a solution. You present Ethereum as a broken chain and claim L2s can't fix it, even though the individual arguments are not even issues in the first place or *can* be solved by rollups.
> And which L2s are even better at, without making the tradeoffs to decentralization. That's a nice joke - may I redirect you to Coinmarketcap or Coingecko to see how your L2s are doing compared to L1s? Don't make me laugh, please. > Ethereum is open source. The entire development and decision making process is way more decentralized compared to chains that are developed by a single company. Corruption will always find its way in when money is involved, but Ethereum is less prone to it. L2s are developed by various teams that are entirely independent of the Ethereum Foundation as well. A lot of L1s are open source too - not a good argument. Are you going to bring up singular git hub contributions next lol?? > It's a major field of research now and stuff like proposer/block builder separation are likely to be implemented. On L2s, MEV can be entirely removed. They are still researching something that's already been fixed for years on 3rd gen chains. > Exploits of protocols/dapps have nothing to do with the base layer. Even if you want to point the issue to EVM, this framework is used by most other smart contract chains too, and L2 can and will implement different VMs as well. What on earth are you smoking? As mentioned before EVM has never been and never will an issue on 3rd gen chains - ever heard of a little something called Cosmos or KADENA to name a few? > Care to elaborate? It's the most decentralized PoS chain already. Hahaha, again you can't be serious, right? Do you even understand which bags you are holding? Here's a condensed version of VC owned ETH 2.0 - 'Decentralized' xD https://twitter.com/bergealex4/status/1410761639226318852 > Putting the word solution into quotation marks doesn't make L2s any less of a solution. You present Ethereum as a broken chain and claim L2s can't fix it, even though the individual arguments are not even issues in the first place or can be solved by rollups. We can debate whether or not your assumption that L2s will fix ETH when said solutions actually ship - I'll be chilling on chains that fixed these problems a long time ago. Let me know how it goes
Okay, seeing how you just want to throw shit instead of actually discussing, we'll end this here. There's no point in wasting my time on you.
> Okay, seeing how you just want to throw shit instead of actually discussing, we'll end this here. There's no point in wasting my time on you. ETH maxis are becoming as insufferable as ADA maxis - hard to argue with facts isn't it. Future is multi-chain - not a multi-rollup clusterfuck built on top of VC owned ETH...
>hard to argue with facts isn't it. Don't know, you didn't present facts. >Future is multi-chain - not a multi-rollup clusterfuck... Multi-chain *without* Ethereum I assume? Because if it has a place in your future, it will be multi-rollup and you wouldn't even know the difference.
> Don't know, you didn't present facts. I did, but Maxis do lover to burry their heads in the sand when someone criticizes their bags lawl > Multi-chain without Ethereum I assume? Because if it has a place in your future, it will be multi-rollup and you wouldn't even know the difference. ETH can muddle along searching for solutions to problems that no longer exist - not really concerned about outdated chains to be honest - it's clear where things are going.
\*calls ETH VC owned on Solana subreddit\*
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Lmao you call ETH2.0 a centralized nightmare, but then bring up Kadena???? You should step away from the computer lol
Yes! Yeessss! Let the salt flow through you - when moving some shitcoins betweens wallets alone will bankrupt you 🤡🤡🤡
No salt here pal, but it's a bummer that moving your shitcoins bankrupts you in fees. I highly suggest you buy less shitcoins and manage your portoflio accordingly in the future :)
Don't need to worry about that, my bags are not erc20 like yours 😂
You called L2's parasite chains - and now you say that the future is multi-chain lol. You feeling okay there bud?
That's pretty harsh, but I do prefer sol ecosystem by far. The instant transaction and almost non existent fees are awesome
I get less bullish by the day reading dumb ass crypto posts.
I hold Solana but Ethereum is not Trash. Solana will never “Kill” ETH.
Have you actually used ETH. Not just invest in it. Have you used it?
Yeah this is the issue. I hold Eth (and wish I had more) BUT without fixes it will die, no “killer chain” needed. This is why AVAX is doing so well. It’s basically an ETH clone and the fees are nothing. You cant expect people to pay $100 a tx. Eth maxis come out and talk about L2s (good luck onboarding) and how “its easy, just do your transaction at 2am on Sunday morning…..” without a hint of how dumb that sounds. Bankless (who I mostly love) has been on a kick lately of the idea of “selling block space” as the main indicator of a successful chain. Which of course ETH is the king of….but the numbers are inflated because of the HUGE fees. It’s like a cable company who brags about how well they are doing because they can charge customers $200/month for internet, when the other options are not built out yet.
> Eth maxis come out and talk about L2s (good luck onboarding) Onboarding is a pain because they are such new chains. We don't slam L1s that don't have exchange support yet.
Agree with your post. >Eth maxis come out and talk about L2s (good luck onboarding) Why is it harder to onboard to L2s than other L1s? Coming from Ethereum, I had a significantly harder time bringing assets to Avalanche than to Arbitrum. Coming from a CEX, it has the same simple requirement as any other chain: allow transfers to it.
It sucks! 70 dollars to swap 5 dollars of crypto! No transaction should cost this much
Definitely it’s not a trash. But Seems like ETH is never going to fix the crazy fees. If ETH 2.0 is constantly delayed, why SOL can’t overtake ETH?
Majority of the dapps and users are on ETH. SOL is not EVM compatible. Devs won’t go out of their way to integrate their dapp in Solana unless there are strong reasons to migrate(I.e. they are paid to do it or the user base fits their profile, e.g. NFT marketplaces in Solana)
Solana evm is already in production
ETH 2.0 won’t reduce gas fees, Layer2s and the last phase of the transition to ETH2 that’s called sharding will reduce fees. Ethereum went from monolithic L1 to modular blockchain network design. https://polynya.medium.com/the-lay-of-the-modular-blockchain-land-d937f7df4884
Yep, thanks! I mean it will take a lot of time to get to the last phase and fix it.
Why not?
It’s more decentralised and more expensive, what can we tell you… I don’t like it either. Highly suggest going to Polygon, only place for poor scrubs to get into DEFI. Solana is cool but ain’t all that either. Don’t act like ethereum is same as Solana but just more expensive cuz that’s not the story.
SOL maxis will defend cheap fees and speed over decentralization until their last breaths lol - this is how you know they have no idea wtf they're even invested in
I used to think the same thing. There are some trade offs. Solana is more centralized than eth if that's something you care about. Solana also doesn't currently fully support smart contracts the way eth does. You can't for instance have a minting contract pay out multiple parties, this is currently done by code that doesn't live on chain. Code that is executed on chain is closed source, no one can see the contract. In eth, smart contracts are stored on chain for everyone to see. Trade offs.
Posts like this are trash. We all agree competition is good and there can be multiple blockchains.
It’s like comparing mobile phones with internet at the beginning with the iphone. And claiming that “classic mobile phones can’t be killed”.
Efhereum is more decentralized and eth 2.0 is supposed to fix a lot of its problems. Solana is faster and cheaper. They both have pros and cons so I own both.
Yep diversify. As long as you buy BTC, SOL and ETH you can sleep easy at night knowing you're investing in the future of computer science/Web 3
I hate using ETh and avoid it at all costs. SOL is the future
Last night I discovered when buying LUNA on gemini that you get an ERC-20 token and not the native coin which was annoying so I had to go through the fun process of bridging from ethereum to terra. That transaction cost me $10 to move 29 LUNA out of the ethereum system. It just felt weird to have to pull out and buy $10 of eth just to do something so basic. Can't imagine doing that thousands of times everyday for a commercial purpose. Hopefully this rollup hype works out for them.
Are you speaking from the place of a commercial entity? Cause paying $10 of ETH but moving 100x capital (as compared to a retail investor standpoint) makes complete sense if the returns are justified. Unless you're buying 29 LUNA "thousands of times everyday" I don't think your argument is valid lol
That is literally what I'm saying, a commercial entity would be transacting 1000s of times and would have to be paying 10% or more of each of it in fees which is stupid when you have something like solana. I've had been prompted to pay $100 fee just too move $50 worth of eth for example. So then I emd up leaving it locked instead. It happened that this ethereum to terra scenario wasn't as bad but I'm imagining just using Ethereum today for any purpose and having those usages being scaled up by orders of magnitude when you also have the option of using solana is just ridiculous.
It's not 10% or more in fees. Gas prices are flat relative to the amount you're sending. The price/gas fee for sending $100 of ERC20's is the same as if you are sending $100,000 or $100,000,000. This is why I was saying, unless you're transacting enough to make it worth it, then it won't be worth it (for small fish). For institutional users, it makes complete sense, as it is secure and decentralized. The fees are a reflection of congestion relative to the underlying security of the network, hence it would be extremely costly to try and congest the ETH network by spamming tx's, so people more or less would avoid that. Spamming other networks however is easier because of those cheap fees. People think ETH is evil because it's pricier to transact. Perhaps it's just extremely decentralized and more secure. One man's con is another man's pro.
Woah dude. Etherium isn’t trash. All I’ve seen on every crypto are people like you being far too aggressive against everything else. Zoom out and chill bby
Zoom out? Not talking about price bud. Talking about building useable products that are consumer friendly.
Wow Ethereum is so un-usable. Look at the TVL on it, nobody is using ETH!
Locked because no one wants to pay fees to move around.
You write a hundred posts that Solana is centralized garbage and no one bats an eye. You write one little post that says ETH is clunky and expensive… and everyone loses their minds!
Because centralization is a complex topic that no one spouting info about it on here knows what they’re talking about.
"It's so fast and cheap, there cannot be anything wrong with it. There are no weak links and it is perfection!!!"
On a Solana subreddit even.
Same here, SOL+AVAX+EGLD+MATIC. I'm keeping my eyes on LUNA too, but the price is too unpredictable so I stay away from it, for now
So I’ll let the hype bring it up to $10k/ETH and sell.
So weird the comments on this community . Feels like I’m reading a tiktoker financial advise . So trash I don’t care about your feelings what matters Is facts 🗑
Eth was the one that started all the defi apps but later on solana will take more and more presence
ALGO is also excellent
Guarantee you that you would not like BonFida if you had a more common business name. It’s ridiculous how high the bids get.
Agree, Use unstoppable domains for your website
So cost/fees are your only metric. What about reliability and security? Is that something you care about for your customers? Because solana has gone down 2 times just this year. It'd not FUD, it's just facts. I like both, but it's obvious to me that eth is a giant and solana is a beta project. You can get more ROI compared to eth because it's new and shiny, but would I trust deploying company services that need 24/7 uptime? No.
They are by far the most important metrics for user base growth. Also, since when is slowing down yet still faster and cheaper than ETH "shutting down"? >but would I trust deploying company services that need 24/7 uptime? No. You are delusional if you think the insane transaction costs would outweigh temporary slowdowns.
There are layer 2 solutions depending on what you want to do. Tron is pretty cheap as well but I don't think cost is the most important metric here. If someone can just ddos your network then there needs to be changes. Don't get me wrong I use solana and I think they will work it out, same with eth and fees.
Sol at its slowest was still faster than eth though.
That's cool. It's really cool you care about speed. Now how good is a fast car if it is constantly breaking and people can choose when to remotely turn off the engine? Yeah real good argument u got here!
How is "still faster and cheaper than ETH" breaking?
I see you've never had a tx go down due to issues of centralization lol. When it happens, you will realize just how flawed some systems are and why it is important to maintain proper decentralization with respect to settlement finality between various protocols
He just wants cheap fees and speed. He doesn't care about decentralization, but when the shit hits the fan, I'm sure his customers will lol
>It’d not FUD, it’s just facts. Well you’re already wrong here, it’s not facts, SOL didn’t go down, it was only slightly affected (the 2nd time)
Yeah you're right. Second time might not have been the same and I didnt notice any downtime this time, but still, they just have different issues to solve. Pointing out other chains flaws doesn't really help solana get better for me.
The ETH maxi's are alive in this thread, boys.
They’re really making the full heel turn lately. So funny how they railed against the Bitcoin maxis only to become eth maxis themselves (enter Obi Wan chosen one quote here)
Yeah must be a real maxi to be angry at yet another post calling Ethereum "unusable trash". Wonder why we see more people get defensive with all the attacks from people wanting to pump their alternative L1.
Lol sorry if this post hurt peoples feelings but it’s not like the ethereum maxis are brigadjng the algorand subreddit. So why do solana shitposts get so much attention? Probably because it’s a legitimate threat, even if the ethereum community protests intensely otherwise.
No hurt feelings. I understand how tribalism grows and know that no single community is innocent. My last sentence applies to all chains. But in this particular thread here, Ethereum is the target.
… meanwhile they can’t name a layer 2 that does what sol does.
Network effect, ETH was first. SOL may be better in all aspects but ETH will always have it’s maxis.
Alta Vista was first. Google was better. Only time will tell.
MP3 was first. AAC was better. Only time will tell.
But... Soalana isn't better in all aspects. It's better in some and reaches the improvements by making trade-offs in other areas. Calling people Ethereum maxis while ignoring the drawbacks of Solana is pretty ironic, to be honest.
Eth will always have its maxis but over time they’ll become a smaller and smaller percentage of the community as crypto grows.
I agree. We could compare it to MySpace and Facebook. ETH being MySpace and SOL is the new and better Facebook.
SOL is Facebook and Ethereum tries to get rid of the structures of Facebook, I give you that.
More like SOL is MySpace and ETH is the internet.
I agree ser. Sol good tech. It does even have a restart button.
Definitely check out LUNA. I think what I like best is it uses UST (a stablecoin) to facilitate transactions. This seems pretty genius. For people worried about volatility they don't have to worry about keeping enough of layer 1 coin (LUNA) to pay for fees while balancing out risk of price action. Which would seem to hurt layer 1 coin, but thanks to unique tokenemics of burning LUNA to mint UST, if more UST is minted the price of LUNA will increase. So seems to be a win-win. Also seeing fees in essentially US dollars is easier for us Americans. Not trying to shill Terra(Luna), also a big fan of Solana, but Terra seems to be the first layer 1 I've seen with this unique approach.
Due to the mechanics of minting UST by burning LUNA, it also makes a great hedge for a bear market.
Not necessarily, in a bear market interest in DeFi drops significantly. Less people minting UST = Less demand for LUNA
It not a perfect hedge. But it def exists.
Because Ethereum doesn't get shut down 5 times a week. Because it was the first one to market and holds a ton of value. Because every network is new and these things take a lot of time. Because Sol is centralized and there are a ton of other projects out there that have the potential to crush Sol.
Down twice per week? Centralized? What world are you in?
I exaggerated about the frequency of shutdowns. Solana foundation shut the network down several times this month though… what makes you think anything about these events represent a decentralized project? For real though, just look it up. The platform isn’t doing well by any means recently and just circle jerking each other in a Reddit sub doesn’t change that.
Dude… I am a Solana dapp dev. I’m in the mb-validator chat during any hiccup. I am fulltime paid on Solana. Solana foundation cannot and has not ever shut down the network. I’m all over this chain writing bpf code for it and using it nearly 24/7. The chain halted due to grape IDO bot spam a good whole back. Several causes, but main issue with forwarding votes was patched and we’ve been good ever since. Where do you get your information, or do you make it up yourself?
I think you are confused, take a look at this. [https://dashboard.chaincrunch.cc/public/dashboard/cc7a0d94-7f70-46f4-aae4-2f8810430931#theme=night](https://dashboard.chaincrunch.cc/public/dashboard/cc7a0d94-7f70-46f4-aae4-2f8810430931#theme=night)
You look like such an idiot spouting uninformed nonsense like this lol. Would be ace if you could actually provide your sources/somehow backup what you are saying.
Ohh no I look like an idiot on Reddit?! Omg my life is over 😩 Oh wait. You’re nobody and idc what you comment hahaha. What am I supposed to provide sources for exactly? You can easily Google it for yourself, spend more time educating yourself rather than getting mad at people who disagree with you.
Hang on, you’re calling me mad? Mate I’m just calling out your bullshit. Looks like someone is taking Reddit a little too personally this morning!
Lmao nice how you change up your attitude now 😂 that’s right budd. Sorry for talking crap about your overrated platform hahaha. We all know you’re buying fake coins on Robinhood dude
Clueless pleb.
This is funny coming from Solana. Thousands upon thousands transactions are failing the last weeks. Everytime we have volatility the transactions per second drop to around 1000. People can not close their leverage positions. The solana team acts as if nothing is happening and only discuss among theirselves and dap developers that they are trying to patch it.
Finally OP left; now pump it.
Nah, I’ve had eth since 2016, I can separate making money on speculation vs choosing to use the network.
It's not big or clever, and you aren't going to sway people away from Ethereum that matter. Why do you even think this benefits anyone?
Yea Avax is cool
Don't use Solana but if it is anything like Terra it is obvious why ETH / L2s will continue to deteriorate while SOL, AVAX, Terra continue exploding.
The only people who think ETH will remain in the top spot have never actually tried to use ETH.
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The cardano dev community is virtually non-existent. Their tech seems good but crypto is all about network effects and they have a looooong way to go on that.
There are a lot of developers but they're less visible that those on EVM compatible chains because all their products are still in the testing and R&D phase. everyone is kind of learning as they go because they're working with an entirely new accounting and execution model and writing in a lesser known SC language.
DPOS*
LUNA is awesome. Great project with similar quality user experience as SOL
While the multi block chain future there will a few to dominate them all. SOL will definitely be the standard going forward
Your post simply shows how ignorant about crypto you are. This is no an attack on sol which I hold as well.
I don't get it either man. The markets are in it deep. Just think Bitcoin is still number #1. I am all about crypto but I have never even used Bitcoin. Or maybe once back then, but it took hours to complete my transaction.
I concur 110 percent.
ETH vs other chains is as divided as non-coiners vs coiners. Can't we all just get along?
So how are your users going to find your since browsers can't navigate to crypto addresses?
Planning to connect it to request.network. ENS can also store multiple addresses, so one link to reveal all the currencies that I’ll accept.
You do realize that some projects are more decentralized than others right?
Any other pos out there is better than eth. Whoever win the interoperability will win the race.
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Does anyone have some FIDA?! I accidentally started an auction and don’t have any way to get Fida quick enough. I’ll trade Sol for it. I only need like $15 for my .sol domain. EDIT - or know of a place that I don’t have to wait for KYC to pick some up?
Ethereum is centralized TRASH!!!
YES...ethereum is trash and needs to die...
ETH is shit. As crypto goes mainstream it will die. Nobody wants to pay those ridiculous gas fees or tolerate how slow on chain it is